Guild Wars 2

This filter is used to filter inappropriate language, correct? And if this is correct, presumably the players that would be offended by said language, would simply have clicked this button and enabled this filter, correct? Also to make sure players do not even have to click a button to enable this, it comes enabled by default, correct?

Sure..but it’s still against the TOS to curse in the open world.

Is this an….. “I got banned for swearing and you have a filter for a reason” thread? Because this horse… it has been beaten to death, brought back by necros, beaten again, raised by guardians, and beaten to death again. It is not a “free ticket” to swear, this has been pointed out endless times by devs and players with varying verbiage.

“You don’t remove the filter, you simply choose not to use it. You do not own the right to determine what others will see, and the filter cannot ever be perfect, hence the actions that our GM Team will be forced to take on those who breach the RoC and the rules of commonly accepted game behavior.
We value every player and every customer. We do not suspend or terminate accounts lightly. We do our darnedest to work with individuals who have been suspended and even terminated, going the extra mile to give a second chance or to work with a person who has made an error in judgment. The suspension system is a model of balance and fairness. It is even set up to give second chances automatically. We do not conspire to ban people unjustly. We never, ever will. ~ Gaile Gray”

You dun goofed, son.

Honestly I will never understand it. If you disabled the filter and saw the swearword wasn’t that your choice?
Isn’t it the same as opening the strip club and stating that there’s nudity inside, enter at your own risk, a person entering it, complaining to the police that there’s nudity in it and the club being shut down?
When creating a game one should chose to either add a filter and allow people not to see the dirty language of adults, or disallow such language in the rules and allow people to report anyone using such language. Not both. Having both in is useless.

The burden is not on me to cover my eyes and ears in public, but on people to learn some manner in public.

And for some things – like hate speech – the burden is on such people to clean up their act or simply leave my planet.

Mirta.5029:

Honestly I will never understand it. If you disabled the filter and saw the swearword wasn’t that your choice?
Isn’t it the same as opening the strip club and stating that there’s nudity inside, enter at your own risk, a person entering it, complaining to the police that there’s nudity in it and the club being shut down?
When creating a game one should chose to either add a filter and allow people not to see the dirty language of adults, or disallow such language in the rules and allow people to report anyone using such language. Not both. Having both in is useless.

I don’t think anyone gets banned for saying kitten. There’s a difference between saying kitten when you’re falling off a jumping puzzle and saying kitten you, which is more of a direct attack.

The filter allows me to see profanity which doesn’t offend me. But people can still use those words offensively and that shouldn’t be allowed.

Mirta.5029:

Honestly I will never understand it. If you disabled the filter and saw the swearword wasn’t that your choice?
Isn’t it the same as opening the strip club and stating that there’s nudity inside, enter at your own risk, a person entering it, complaining to the police that there’s nudity in it and the club being shut down?
When creating a game one should chose to either add a filter and allow people not to see the dirty language of adults, or disallow such language in the rules and allow people to report anyone using such language. Not both. Having both in is useless.

There is nothing adult about swearing. Honestly the adult thing would be to be able to restrain yourself from doing it. Do you constantly swear at your boss. I don’t think so. The filter is an in case of emergency system. People just lack respect and needs these kinds of rules enforced on them to behave some what civil.

Conner.4702:

Mirta.5029:

Honestly I will never understand it. If you disabled the filter and saw the swearword wasn’t that your choice?
Isn’t it the same as opening the strip club and stating that there’s nudity inside, enter at your own risk, a person entering it, complaining to the police that there’s nudity in it and the club being shut down?
When creating a game one should chose to either add a filter and allow people not to see the dirty language of adults, or disallow such language in the rules and allow people to report anyone using such language. Not both. Having both in is useless.

There is nothing adult about swearing. Honestly the adult thing would be to be able to restrain yourself from doing it. Do you constantly swear at your boss. I don’t think so. The filter is an in case of emergency system. People just lack respect and needs these kinds of rules enforced on them to behave some what civil.

Actually, I constantly swore at my boss, but he was annoying and deserved it. lol

The filter exists to maintain a rating and prevent people seeing language they don’t want to. The ability to turn the filter off exists as a courtesy to players who want to allow the use of colorful language none of them minds in private channels, like squad, party, guild and whisper. Extending that courtesy does not mean condoning such language in public channels.

Vayne.8563:

I don’t think anyone gets banned for saying kitten. There’s a difference between saying kitten when you’re falling off a jumping puzzle and saying kitten you, which is more of a direct attack.

The filter allows me to see profanity which doesn’t offend me. But people can still use those words offensively and that shouldn’t be allowed.

I do understand reports for direct attacks. I don’t understand reports for swearing though. I’ve heard from people that were just joking around with their friends on /say and got reported by other people just because they found swearing offensive, however in order to see that they needed to have their filter off. That’s what I don’t get.

It’s all anecdotal. I’ve never heard of someone banned for saying kitten in open chat, unless there was something else offensive going on there.

Mirta.5029:

Vayne.8563:

I don’t think anyone gets banned for saying kitten. There’s a difference between saying kitten when you’re falling off a jumping puzzle and saying kitten you, which is more of a direct attack.

The filter allows me to see profanity which doesn’t offend me. But people can still use those words offensively and that shouldn’t be allowed.

I do understand reports for direct attacks. I don’t understand reports for swearing though. I’ve heard from people that were just joking around with their friends on /say and got reported by other people just because they found swearing offensive, however in order to see that they needed to have their filter off. That’s what I don’t get.

In those cases it is possible that they were suspended due to the swear words they were using were considered hate speech. Even if they were not rules are rules and are there for a reason. The filter does not provide a free ticket to saying what you want. Because filters are not perfect.

As a general rule. It is best not swear in public. In game or out. Doing so can get you in trouble in some cases.

Vayne.8563:

Sure..but it’s still against the TOS to curse in the open world.

Actually, all I’ve seen so far points to this being a lie. You don’t get banned for “cursing” (which would be immesurably stupid from ANet). You get banned for insulting people, bypassing the filter, and behaviour that has less to do with language and more to do with, for example, being racist, extremely sexual, etc.

I.e.: “kitten this kitten” – ah ok. “kitten you you piece of kitten” – not ok.

I mean some of the stuff I say to my friends would offend most people. lol

This thread on reddit is always good to read, since it has stuff arenanet quoted for people who asked why they were banned for swearing. XD

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/yxx3m/suspensions_for_offensive_names_and_inappropriate/

Vayne.8563:

Sure..but it’s still against the TOS to curse in the open world.

…Seriously?

I need to read those.

I mean I need to review those.

I never understood the argument along the lines of “If I fall off a cliff sometimes I say kitten”. You are not saying it you are typing it. Isn’t it a bit more difficult to type kitten than it is to express it verbally to yourself? Does it really enhance other’s game play that you take the time to type, “Kitten I fell” in chat? Does the end viewer fell a greater since of your frustration because you typed kitten?

Most consider cursing as an adult language. A reasonable adult will know when and where they should not curse. I don’t see any value at all in taking the time to type, “Oh kitten”. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of you have curse word macros. There is nothing especially cool about cursing. Perhaps open a dictionary and learn some better ways to express yourself.

JustTrogdor.7892:

I never understood the argument along the lines of “If I fall off a cliff sometimes I say kitten”. You are not saying it you are typing it. Isn’t it a bit more difficult to type kitten than it is to express it verbally to yourself? Does it really enhance other’s game play that you take the time to type, “Kitten I fell” in chat? Does the end viewer fell a greater since of your frustration because you typed kitten?

Most consider cursing as an adult language. A reasonable adult will know when and where they should not curse. I don’t see any value at all in taking the time to type, “Oh kitten”. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of you have curse word macros. There is nothing especially cool about cursing. Perhaps open a dictionary and learn some better ways to express yourself.

Curse words can be used to express yourself and convey a meaning to other people as well as anything else. Examples:
Oh kitten it
For kitten’s sake!
There’s nothing wrong with it, especially having in mind that people that don’t want to see such language can have the filter on.

Mirta.5029:

Curse words can be used to express yourself and convey a meaning to other people as well as anything else. Examples:
Oh kitten it
For kitten’s sake!
There’s nothing wrong with it, especially having in mind that people that don’t want to see such language can have the filter on.

There are hundreds of thousands of words that can be used to express yourself outside of the realm of cursing. Believe it or not a lot of people usually see someone that has an extended vocabulary outside of 4 letter words as a sign of maturity and intelligence.

I still don’t see the benefit of taking the time to type something like, “Oh kitten” in chat. Can you tell me what is so captivating about stopping to type that in chat? Do the people in /map give you a lot of positive feedback when you do so?

You are arguing that the chat filter should allow someone to say fall off a cliff, pause, then type kitten in chat is okay when it has been said over and over that the filter does not make it acceptable. So you can either accept that or you can test it in chat yourself and see where that gets you.

JustTrogdor.7892:

I never understood the argument along the lines of “If I fall off a cliff sometimes I say kitten”. You are not saying it you are typing it. Isn’t it a bit more difficult to type kitten than it is to express it verbally to yourself? Does it really enhance other’s game play that you take the time to type, “Kitten I fell” in chat? Does the end viewer fell a greater since of your frustration because you typed kitten?

Most consider cursing as an adult language. A reasonable adult will know when and where they should not curse. I don’t see any value at all in taking the time to type, “Oh kitten”. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of you have curse word macros. There is nothing especially cool about cursing. Perhaps open a dictionary and learn some better ways to express yourself.

I type faster than I speak. For that matter I type and think at the same time. Gets me into all sorts of trouble…but yes if I’m in a conversation, already typing to someone, there is virtually no difference, to me, between typing and speaking. My fingers are educated enough so that they can type almost without conscious thought. You might not believe this but it’s true.

Mirta.5029:

JustTrogdor.7892:

I never understood the argument along the lines of “If I fall off a cliff sometimes I say kitten”. You are not saying it you are typing it. Isn’t it a bit more difficult to type kitten than it is to express it verbally to yourself? Does it really enhance other’s game play that you take the time to type, “Kitten I fell” in chat? Does the end viewer fell a greater since of your frustration because you typed kitten?

Most consider cursing as an adult language. A reasonable adult will know when and where they should not curse. I don’t see any value at all in taking the time to type, “Oh kitten”. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of you have curse word macros. There is nothing especially cool about cursing. Perhaps open a dictionary and learn some better ways to express yourself.

Curse words can be used to express yourself and convey a meaning to other people as well as anything else. Examples:
Oh kitten it
For kitten’s sake!
There’s nothing wrong with it, especially having in mind that people that don’t want to see such language can have the filter on.

Let me add something that so many fans of this game love to point out….“it’s Anet’s game”……..if they say you don’t get to curse in public chat, you don’t get to curse. If you do and you get reported, enjoy your 72 hour ban.

If I go to a Mall and hear kids cursing loudly and freely around other people and families, I wonder if they are really that ignorant, or what happened to mommy and daddy. So much for manners, self-control and consideration of other people.

JustTrogdor.7892:

There are hundreds of thousands of words that can be used to express yourself outside of the realm of cursing. Believe it or not a lot of people usually see someone that has an extended vocabulary outside of 4 letter words as a sign of maturity and intelligence.

I still don’t see the benefit of taking the time to type something like, “Oh kitten” in chat. Can you tell me what is so captivating about stopping to type that in chat? Do the people in /map give you a lot of positive feedback when you do so?

You are arguing that the chat filter should allow someone to say fall off a cliff, pause, then type kitten in chat is okay when it has been said over and over that the filter does not make it acceptable. So you can either accept that or you can test it in chat yourself and see where that gets you.

example:
you’re trying to finish an event with your friends. It’s too hard, many of you have died multiple times, you type in chat “Oh kitten it” as in “I give up”. I don’t see anything wrong with that.
Was reading this as well http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/yxx3m/suspensions_for_offensive_names_and_inappropriate/ and a lot of bans are questionable. Like getting banned for a name of “Adolf Critler”. Hitler is not the only Adolf in the world and Critler might be a legit last name in real world.
This game has more strict character names/ offensive language rules than any other MMO in existence. Hell people are getting banned for use of phrases that they were able to use in GW1 no problem.

Villious.8530:

Let me add something that so many fans of this game love to point out….“it’s Anet’s game”……..if they say you don’t get to curse in public chat, you don’t get to curse. If you do and you get reported, enjoy your 72 hour ban.

If I go to a Mall and hear kids cursing loudly and freely around other people and families, I wonder if they are really that ignorant, or what happened to mommy and daddy. So much for manners, self-control and consideration of other people.

What’s the point of filter then? If you went to the store and had a filter installed in your ears why would you be complaining about someone talking dirty?

Mirta.5029:

JustTrogdor.7892:

There are hundreds of thousands of words that can be used to express yourself outside of the realm of cursing. Believe it or not a lot of people usually see someone that has an extended vocabulary outside of 4 letter words as a sign of maturity and intelligence.

I still don’t see the benefit of taking the time to type something like, “Oh kitten” in chat. Can you tell me what is so captivating about stopping to type that in chat? Do the people in /map give you a lot of positive feedback when you do so?

You are arguing that the chat filter should allow someone to say fall off a cliff, pause, then type kitten in chat is okay when it has been said over and over that the filter does not make it acceptable. So you can either accept that or you can test it in chat yourself and see where that gets you.

example:
you’re trying to finish an event with your friends. It’s too hard, many of you have died multiple times, you type in chat “Oh kitten it” as in “I give up”. I don’t see anything wrong with that.
Was reading this as well http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/yxx3m/suspensions_for_offensive_names_and_inappropriate/ and a lot of bans are questionable. Like getting banned for a name of “Adolf Critler”. Hitler is not the only Adolf in the world and Critler might be a legit last name in real world.
This game has more strict character names/ offensive language rules than any other MMO in existence. Hell people are getting banned for use of phrases that they were able to use in GW1 no problem.

Villious.8530:

Let me add something that so many fans of this game love to point out….“it’s Anet’s game”……..if they say you don’t get to curse in public chat, you don’t get to curse. If you do and you get reported, enjoy your 72 hour ban.

If I go to a Mall and hear kids cursing loudly and freely around other people and families, I wonder if they are really that ignorant, or what happened to mommy and daddy. So much for manners, self-control and consideration of other people.

What’s the point of filter then? If you went to the store and had a filter installed in your ears why would you be complaining about someone talking dirty?

A filter in your ears? Really? The lack of comprehension is utterly amazing….

Villious.8530:

A filter in your ears? Really? The lack of comprehension is utterly amazing….

No, I do mean it. The chat has a filter, people that find a certain kind of language offensive can use it. You don’t have such a choice while walking outside in real life.

I turn it off as its just as broken and useless as it is here. It filters out the middle of words that contain offensive language in the words base or construction of the said word. Like the 6th day of the week (sa"tu—-rd"ay) or Romaji in case we will need it when the game gets Cantha and we get a slew of Asian gamers here and need to communicate with them if they do not know English (if you know Chinese or Japanese or Korean and you know the English character form of writing their words, (pinyin and Romaji and w/e it is for Korean) you will be foiled by that filter every time.) Also many other languages can have s, h, i, and the letter t in the base of the word or words.another would be letter c, u, n, and t and c, u, and m!! I’m sure the English language and other languages have those letter harmlessly being in the middle of words…

Try typing Japanese words in phonetic form in game and see what happens.

So the filter is a nuisance for that reason and its why some may choose to keep it off.

Furthermore… The same broken filter was in GW 1. We had foreign players in American English districts and they were forced to use phonetic systems using English characters as the main channel in GW 1 did not allow non Latin character use.

Make no mistake the same issues with the filter and phonetic spelling systems for others to understand another language that doesn’t use a Latin character set will have the same problems again. AH the trivialities of censorship on an international game.

Then naysayers will say, “Why don’t they just play on their own countries server?” I say, “How will that help the community stay together?”

This is why you saw so little Asian players in GW 1 and if you did it was in pvp (language character restrictions were null) and on factions pvp only. They could not communicate or try to even if other knew the pinyin or romaji systems… as any curse word formed by their syllables will be blocked.

IF anything OP, Anet needs to made a better filter to stop blocking middles of words and only focus on THE ACTUAL WORDS THEMSELVES!

On a side note, I give the players speaking Tagalog credit in LA… as that language may be similar to other Asian languages and have odd letter combos…and may make swear words when they are not…

Yumiko Ishida.3769:

I turn it off as its just as broken and useless as it is here. It filters out the middle of words that contain offensive language in the words base or construction of the said word. Like the 6th day of the week (sa"tu—-rd"ay) or Romaji in case we will need it when the game gets Cantha and we get a slew of Asian gamers here and need to communicate with them if they do not know English (if you know Chinese or Japanese or Korean and you know the English character form of writing their words, (pinyin and Romaji and w/e it is for Korean) you will be foiled by that filter every time.) Also many other languages can have s, h, i, and the letter t in the base of the word or words.another would be letter c, u, n, and t and c, u, and m!! I’m sure the English language and other languages have those letter harmlessly being in the middle of words…

Try typing Japanese words in phonetic form in game and see what happens.

So the filter is a nuisance for that reason and its why some may choose to keep it off.

Thank you for explaining this. I imagine you will still get people complaining because it seems so important to them that they be able to say things like, “kitten I just fell again.” I don’t know what it is but apparently it is critical to a fully enjoyable game experience.