Guild Wars 2

Vayne.8563:

I almost agree. I’d certainly agree if people would stop using the word promise. Statements are not promises…

Pretty sure the Manifesto and all these blog posts were all promises.

At the very least, if my friend tried this sort of logic to weasel out of something without a sarcastic smirk on his face, I’d start to seriously question my judgment in people.

ANet have dealt a serious blow to my trust in game developers in general.

Fungalfoot.7213:

One of the most common complaints about the game is that the cosmetic progression is a bust and I can’t help but wholeheartedly agree with that assessment.

“No subscription! Look whatever you want to look like! By the way, 5$ for a one-time change of clothing.”

Draco.2806:

Vayne.8563:

I almost agree. I’d certainly agree if people would stop using the word promise. Statements are not promises…

Pretty sure the Manifesto and all these blog posts were all promises.

At the very least, if my friend tried this sort of logic to weasel out of something without a sarcastic smirk on his face, I’d start to seriously question my judgment in people.

ANet have dealt a serious blow to my trust in game developers in general.

I agree with what Vayne said, for once. They shouldn’t be taken as a promise. But at the same time, they shouldn’t go back on almost everything that they’ve said. Even if they aren’t promises, people absorb them word for word, and then, understandably, get bitter when it proves to be false.

Again, I point to the Manifesto. They said a lot of things and people really liked it. I was one of them. The first couple of months after release, I even played the game faithfully. Now it’s a different story because I am bitter about how the game turned out.

Fungalfoot.7213:

One of the most common complaints about the game is that the cosmetic progression is a bust and I can’t help but wholeheartedly agree with that assessment. The transmutation system needs to be sloped and replaced by a proper wardrobe system in which you unlock skins. My bank is filled with cosmetic items I’ll never get to use due to the sheer hassle of it all and I dare to wager that I’m not alone in that.

I agree. It’s no wonder their “cosmetic progression” failed, making them add vertical progression into the game. GW2 has one of the worst cosmetic systems I have seen in any of my recent mmos. Even F2P games like DCUO and Rift have wardrobe systems that are so much more user friendly.

Vayne.8563:

Skyline.3480:

ProxyDamage.9826:

Don’t look at this as an “I quit!” post. I didn’t, not yet. I’m hanging around (with rapidly fading enthusiasm, I admit) to see what happens for now.

You are wasting your time son. This game will never be what you or I wanted it to be.
They made a choice long ago to follow this path and there’s no coming back from it.

I can predict one thing with certainty though, call me crazy if you must. The game will not die. It will become more and more similar to conventional MMOs. More vertical progression will be added, new levels and gear tiers. New grindy elements and features will be added, to the point the game will be unrecognizable.
Yes, it will loose many players in the process but in the end it will remain a popular game. A game I won’t be playing.

See I don’t think so. I think it’s still on a moderate progression path…and they intend to stay that way..that is the gear progression is going to be relatively minor stat-wise compared to other games. You won’t need the gear to run dungeons.

That’s my prediction anyway.

I wish I could believe that. What happens when the gear grinders get their Ascended Weapon or two and cry about nothing to work for? That’s how it started last year. And, in case you haven’t noticed, it’s already starting up again.

What I expect is for ANet to stick with the plan for skill progression that was announced in July. This system has been announced and has presumably been worked on, so they won’t waste that effort. However, I also expect that if it doesn’t work, all bets will be off. Since I don’t expect it to, I hope that the delay (we still have not seen Ascended Armor and the skill system has yet to debut) will be enough time for Wildstar and ESO to debut, and the gear grinders will do their inevitable moving on.

I agree with the OP and many of you here, but there is a very visible section in the wiki known as “upcoming changes”. Anet is learning from these mistakes it made, albeit very slowly. Everyone fails to find this section and read up on it.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Upcoming_changes_and_features

• It says crafting will be 500 for all crafts and that means no need for laurels to get ascended rings/etc.

My thoughts: I always wanted to craft my gear, not be time gated by laurels or dungeons for a stat. Yet ascended weapons are not worth it atm with my main going for two legendaries and very close to succeeding (2 x incinerators)

• Legendary will get a new trinket, this isn’t so bad as legendary = ascended with option to change stats outside of battle.

My thoughts: So that will be a huge grind no matter what, but Legendaries are no stronger then the highest tier and are essentially our original end game. No big deal there.

• Fixing professions/new skills/traits possibly new weapons/weapon-types for each class.

My thoughts: I play Ele, Guardian , Engineer, and Theif. I had a ranger (female sylvari) near the start and another one later on, (human male) but bots favored rangers to farm gold and hold our economy hostage, and I did not want to be banned for being accused falsely of being a botter by other players just because I had a pet and was a ranger. I do feel for the least used profession though. This may be you chance to get things set right for yourselves.

• spvp is getting new maps and playstyles. Legendary weapons will be possible to get as skins only?

My thoughts: I am semi interested in spvp and really into WvW. I sadly do not have a good enough rig to play either of these pvp modes very well, so I have not much to say on this except, you will finally get what you always wanted. Too little too late? I dunno, up to you all to decide.

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Other things include but not limited to:

• The final three missing activities are being worked on: bar brawls and target shooting/practice and polymock

My thoughts: I’m not much of a mini game person. I prefer mini games to be left out of an MMO unless its gambling. If it adds new ways to get laurels, various useful rewards or gear such as ascended/exotics (includes precursors), I’m for it!

• Housing (in home instance) and guild halls are being considered for development.

My thoughts:I loved guild halls in GW 1: it was the only place to afk without being kicked by the idle timer. It was also a big community element that we need badly here. I RP, A LOT! I need a house to invite my fellow RP friends and do various RP things we can’t do with a 5 man group. If only Anet does it right this time and allows mass inviting, not just 5 people parties into the said instance.

• You want an expansion? You may get it… New dragons new regions are being put in the works. The catch? Not in 2013! Not this year at least.

My thoughts: Well at least Anet is not sticking to just living story garbage to add on to GW 2. I think this is a good new sense of direction for the young company of 8-10 years.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Vayne.8563:

Skyline.3480:

ProxyDamage.9826:

Don’t look at this as an “I quit!” post. I didn’t, not yet. I’m hanging around (with rapidly fading enthusiasm, I admit) to see what happens for now.

You are wasting your time son. This game will never be what you or I wanted it to be.
They made a choice long ago to follow this path and there’s no coming back from it.

I can predict one thing with certainty though, call me crazy if you must. The game will not die. It will become more and more similar to conventional MMOs. More vertical progression will be added, new levels and gear tiers. New grindy elements and features will be added, to the point the game will be unrecognizable.
Yes, it will loose many players in the process but in the end it will remain a popular game. A game I won’t be playing.

See I don’t think so. I think it’s still on a moderate progression path…and they intend to stay that way..that is the gear progression is going to be relatively minor stat-wise compared to other games. You won’t need the gear to run dungeons.

That’s my prediction anyway.

I wish I could believe that. What happens when the gear grinders get their Ascended Weapon or two and cry about nothing to work for? That’s how it started last year. And, in case you haven’t noticed, it’s already starting up again.

What I expect is for ANet to stick with the plan for skill progression that was announced in July. This system has been announced and has presumably been worked on, so they won’t waste that effort. However, I also expect that if it doesn’t work, all bets will be off. Since I don’t expect it to, I hope that the delay (we still have not seen Ascended Armor and the skill system has yet to debut) will be enough time for Wildstar and ESO to debut, and the gear grinders will do their inevitable moving on.

I don’t buy it. First…least year at this time, we didn’t have the living story or the achievement point grind. That’s created the stickiness that Anet was lacking before they came out with ascended gear. As long as that works, and it works for enough people, it doesn’t matter if a FEW people complain.

People seem to be under the impression that forum complaining is what caused Anet to introduce ascended gear. I say that’s not true at all. I think Anet looked at the metrics, the data gathering tools they had and tried to figure out why people weren’t logging in. They’re apparently quite happy now with concurrency numbers and so as long as that continues (and with the living story I don’t see why it shouldn’t), there’s no reason to keep adding gear tiers.

They added ascended gear for a reason. But that reason is no longer something they need to concern themselves with.

People weren’t logging in because there was nothing to do. Newer and better content could have been added for months. But no.. they took the gear grind alternative. Because grinding events 24/7 wasn’t enough grind so they gave us grind to go with our grind. Hey I hurd u leik grind?

It was the ultimate hypocrite move, “we don’t want players to grind” yet that’s what their entire pve experience is built on, abysmal drop rates and now vertical progression. It just doesn’t make sense in the world of Guild Wars.

As if forum outcry wasn’t obvious enough that players didn’t want that garbage, proof that ANet doesn’t listen to its players at all or simply don’t give a kitten.

How many posts asking for better and longer dungeons, with less 1shot cheese and more mechanics, you know, like raid fights or FoW, UW, DoA, SE, that level of difficulty on release keeps players extremely busy for a long time.

To this day people have a lot of trouble with the last slaver’s boss in GW1, he’s ridiculous if you don’t know exactly how to fight him. Never seen and probably will never see anything even close to that in GW2.

The trash in that dungeon actually revive each other forcing you to rupt and focus target, have you seen anything that remotely resembles that sort of coordination in this game? This is the easiest MMO I’ve ever played, to the point it bores me beyond belief.

You know, not everyone enjoys playing farmville.

We get a ton of temporary content, meh. Faceroll loot pinata army of mobs, meh. Jumping puzzles, meh. All bosses use the same cheese mechanics, 1shot better dodge it brohamlets, so interesting amirite?

ANet could take notes from their predecessor instead of outright ignoring it and pretending it never happened because GO GO GADGET CASUALS.

Yet no one reads the things I post offering what the company is doing to make amends… They are so blinded by their hate and fury that they can’t see straight, where I’m patient and see through it all to the real efforts the company has made to fix things and learn like all of us do: FROM OUR MISTAKES!

Sure, some stuff is too little too late, but they are trying! They should have held off on ascended gear and legendaries until when it is 100% done, instead of issuing it out in small grindy bits (fractals/laurels) and pieces (champ loot changes/500 craft grind without better loot drop changes) causing more division and instability among the populace than the American Civil War.

But from what I read and disseminated, I can safely determine that we will be getting the things we wanted despite all the shameful clamoring and arguing with the staff and ourselves. I really don’t think we deserve it.

Yumiko Ishida.3769:

Yet no one reads the things I post offering what the company is doing to make amends… They are so blinded by their hate and fury that they can’t see straight, where I’m patient and see through it all to the real efforts the company has made to fix things and learn like all of us do: FROM OUR MISTAKES!

Sure, some stuff is too little too late, but they are trying! They should have held off on ascended gear and legendaries until when it is 100% done, instead of issuing it out in small grindy bits (fractals/laurels) and pieces (champ loot changes/500 craft grind without better loot drop changes) causing more division and instability among the populace than the American Civil War.

But from what I read and disseminated, I can safely determine that we will be getting the things we wanted despite all the shameful clamoring and arguing with the staff and ourselves. I really don’t think we deserve it.

Ahahahahahahaha …

You do realize this a cartoon video game right? I mean there’s no need to posture as some sort of GW2 forum Gandi. But thanks for being so much more patient than all us mere mortals, and for being our champion despite the fact we don’t deserve one.

You are right about one thing, I am “A god walking among mere mortals” and a “Champion of the Gods”… Says so on my HoM calculator.

But i’m in no way a white knight for Anet either. I have my own issues. But they don’t really pertain to the Devs or the game mechanics as a whole more so have to do with the community in the game.

I read the following 2 posts, and I spit my drink all over my desk because I could not stop laughing. These are 2 sad testaments to the state of the game maker.
I do play solo or in my small tight 5 man guild. so it is just amusing.

read here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Some-ANET-interfered-with-our-GvG/page/16#post2931042
and then read here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/broken-link-exit-survey/first#post2931059

hope you put your drink down beforehand.

Edit: My mouse and keyboard are like brand new after a good cleaning, Thanks Anet!

Sligh.2789:

I read the following 2 posts, and I spit my drink all over my desk because I could not stop laughing. These are 2 sad testaments to the state of the game maker.
I do play solo or in my small tight 5 man guild. so it is just amusing.

read here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Some-ANET-interfered-with-our-GvG/page/16#post2931042
and then read here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/broken-link-exit-survey/first#post2931059

hope you put your drink down beforehand.

Wow… That Anet fella is pretty pathetic for doing that..

Fernling.1729:

Sligh.2789:

I read the following 2 posts, and I spit my drink all over my desk because I could not stop laughing. These are 2 sad testaments to the state of the game maker.
I do play solo or in my small tight 5 man guild. so it is just amusing.

read here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Some-ANET-interfered-with-our-GvG/page/16#post2931042
and then read here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/broken-link-exit-survey/first#post2931059

hope you put your drink down beforehand.

Wow… That Anet fella is pretty pathetic for doing that..

Or he just had a bad day, like we all do from time to time.

+1 to you OP.

Very well said. And I pretty much agree with everything you said. GW2 had SO MUCH potential, but Anet fell flat on their faces trying to cater to the “run of the mill” MMO player and also trying to grab as much cash as possible through the gem store. This game has turned into nothing but a grindy, time-gated, “give us your money for shines!” type of game that I and countless others are rapidly losing interest in. Many others have already left. Many more are about to leave. Unless Anet does a 180 on their current stance (which who knows? they might, considering they did it once already with the Manifesto….but probably not, they’ve chosen the bad path and seem to be sticking to it).

And ah yes….Vayne. The valiant white knight of GW2 on these forums. Anything and everything criticizing this game, even if its intent is good and meant to help improve the game, is instantly met with his fanboy wrath. To him, Anet can do no wrong, and this game is absolutely perfect. Makes you wonder if he’s actually an Anet employee in disguise, considering other developers have done that trick many times before. I find most of his posts less helpful than the ones he accuses of not being helpful. But alas, every game will have blind, rabid fans who run their own favorite game into the ground, faster than any bugs/glitches/crappy content ever could.

http://www2.hn.psu.edu/faculty/jmanis/milton/pl_r.pdf

Thanks everyone for the posts. I’m genuinely surprised by the amount of people who read through that.

I’m just adding one thing: A lot of people say “Ascended doesn’t matter” and I’d like to argue that.

The differential between a full exotic and full ascended gear character right now (2 handed weapon) is + 50-55 damage, + 60 Main stat, +32 secondary stat, and either +32 tertiary stat or +8% crit damage. That totals +50-55 damage and either 124 stat points or +92 stat points and 8% crit damage. That’s not nothing .

Sure, it’s not the world, but it is a difference, especially with crit damage (as its not a linearly distributed stat). It is noticeable in closer matches between players of similar calibers. Very. It is very noticeable while min-maxing.

In a PvP setting 10 points can decide a fight. 100+? +50 weapon damage and 8% crit dmg? That’s a lot.

Add to that how some combinations don’t have exotic stat jewels and that difference is even bigger…

Sorry, if you’re into WvW it matters a lot.

ProxyDamage.9826:

The differential between a full exotic and full ascended gear character right now (2 handed weapon) is + 50-55 damage, + 60 Main stat, +32 secondary stat, and either +32 tertiary stat or +8% crit damage. That totals +50-55 damage and either 124 stat points or +92 stat points and 8% crit damage. That’s not nothing .

124 stat points … would anyone argue that 12 levels worth of trait points would not make a difference — even absent the adept/master/GMaster trait?

Yumiko Ishida.3769:

Yet no one reads the things I post offering what the company is doing to make amends… They are so blinded by their hate and fury that they can’t see straight, where I’m patient and see through it all to the real efforts the company has made to fix things and learn like all of us do: FROM OUR MISTAKES!

Anet consistently over-promises and under-delivers. They have shown very little ability to learn from their mistakes. That’s why we’re skeptical of any “upcoming” changes.

Yumiko Ishida.3769:

Yet no one reads the things I post offering what the company is doing to make amends… They are so blinded by their hate and fury that they can’t see straight, where I’m patient and see through it all to the real efforts the company has made to fix things and learn like all of us do: FROM OUR MISTAKES!

Can you please list the significant situations where ANet has learned from their mistakes and materially corrected them?? I’m really curious which things you believe deserve such designation. Please be specific.

Yumiko Ishida.3769:

… to the real efforts the company has made to fix things and learn…

Uh..what real efforts have they made to fix things?
The small scale skill balances? Or the massive grindfest they recently introduced?

Enlighten us on what you believe they’ve fixed because I would really like to know. You’ve got the stage.

Edit: Cactus beat me to it.

ProxyDamage.9826:

I’ve mentioned before that GW2 felt schizophrenic, regarding something else at the time. I fear that particular disease has spread. Currently the game feels… Lost. Without direction. Like it’s trying to be everything, and do everything on a surface level, with no real idea where it’s going from there. Like a kid in a playground that is trying so hard to belong to every group that ends up never being a part of any. “We don’t want grind! Just grind! Ok a little bit! But not too much! Grind this much exactly! But do it everyday. We’re all about the PvE… PvP, I mean. E-SPORTS! HERE IS ANOTHER STORY OF SOMETHING WHO CARES WHAT! PLEASE LOVE ME!”

I agree with almost everything you said, especially this point. It almost feels like they were forced to go away from vertical progression. They keep saying “This is the last one we promise”. I don’t think they know exactly how they are going to go moving forward.

One of the worst things for a game is the lack of direction and indecisiveness. And since the end of last year it has happened. It seems like they don’t know the direction of their own game.

They want to be a part of everything, but still don’t want to be implicated. At this point, the best option would be just go with one thing. Stop being so schizophrenic.

I wish GW2 stuck with their original model. If they did they would have been unique in the MMO market place. Now why will a person pick GW2 over games in the market? Or future games coming out? If I am to grind anyway, I can just grind in the dozen + MMO in the market.

Cactus.2710:

Yumiko Ishida.3769:

Yet no one reads the things I post offering what the company is doing to make amends… They are so blinded by their hate and fury that they can’t see straight, where I’m patient and see through it all to the real efforts the company has made to fix things and learn like all of us do: FROM OUR MISTAKES!

Can you please list the significant situations where ANet has learned from their mistakes and materially corrected them?? I’m really curious which things you believe deserve such designation. Please be specific.

They did a one time only event, back in November, it was a disaster and they never repeated it. And they said they learned from that mistake.

The originally brought out ascended gear only in the fractals and admitted that was a mistake and learned from that.

They’re coming out with more permanent content now (the new dungeon path, Tequatl).

I’d say they’re learning something. Maybe not everything though. lol

Skan.5301:

Yumiko Ishida.3769:

… to the real efforts the company has made to fix things and learn…

Uh..what real efforts have they made to fix things?
The small scale skill balances? Or the massive grindfest they recently introduced?

Enlighten us on what you believe they’ve fixed because I would really like to know. You’ve got the stage.

Edit: Cactus beat me to it.

List of things they’ve fixed…

Culling, Ascalon Catacombs, Tequatl, most of the waaaay too easy bosses, not getting good enough drops for fighting champions, the account wallet, preview on the trading post, the necro to make it viable in most forms of the game….

I’m sure there’s more….maybe you’re just not paying attention.

yes to OP

im just so sorry that 1st guy in way vayne… what is the point in your posts vayne? if something is wrong then it needs to be said. if promises were not met it needs discussion. i read countless posts by you and i really do not see what you want to do here. do you agree with OP or not?

ProxyDamage.9826:

Sorry, if you’re into WvW it matters a lot.

Sorry but Ascended doesn’t matter as much as you think in WvW.

This one: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Minor_Borderlands_Bloodlust gives +50 to power, precision, toughness, vitality, condition damage, and healing power per boost, total 3 boosts for +150 on all the stats, that’s way higher than any boost Ascended gear can give.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Applied_Fortitude +50 (5 times max) on Vitality and
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Guard_Leech +20 (5 times max) on Condition Damage are other stat boosts in WvW that can give higher boosts than Ascended Gear as well.

WvW doesn’t need Ascended gear to be imbalanced and broken stat-wise, it already is, Ascended gear makes very little difference compared to the rest of the Power Creep in WvW. Also, you can get Rings/Amulets by playing only WvW (and it is “cheaper” than the regular Laurel merchant if you have the Badges) so the only Ascended gear you will actually be missing are Accessories and Weapons, the stat difference is even lower.

(To the OP)

I feel like what you said was exaggerated somewhat. You can still run around and do whatever you please — the grind is just there for those who like it. Sure, there is a stat increase on ascended gear, but by the time the grinders get a full set, you would have earned enough yourself from running around, that the difference between you and them would be insignificant. Really, the only areas of the game that would be penalized due to said increases would be small WvW skirmishes, and elitist dungeon group joining. As for the rest of the problems mentioned, yeah, they suck. But I have faith in A-net that they will be fixed someday in the future. Anyway, that’s my take on it.

Looking forward to your state of the Ranger address. I can agree, the profession needs love.

Cactus.2710:

Yumiko Ishida.3769:

Yet no one reads the things I post offering what the company is doing to make amends… They are so blinded by their hate and fury that they can’t see straight, where I’m patient and see through it all to the real efforts the company has made to fix things and learn like all of us do: FROM OUR MISTAKES!

Can you please list the significant situations where ANet has learned from their mistakes and materially corrected them?? I’m really curious which things you believe deserve such designation. Please be specific.

Guild Missions (giving Guilds something to do as Guilds), Guild Bounty Training missions (giving smaller Guilds a way to earn more influence so they could do the rest of the missions), Tequatl update (a big boss that requires coordination to kill – requested loads of times), World Boss revamp (all of them are harder than before, of course some are still super easy but it’s an improvement), Account Wallet (obvious), Using materials from the bank while crafting (like most of the above, it was a suggestion on the suggestion forums), Fractals of the Mists (a request of the hardcore dungeon running crowd).

I can add the upcoming revamp to Bloodlust of the Borderlands in WvW (they realised after lots of pressure that it’s bad), the changes to the NA WvW League after lots of community pressure (again), the addition of rank up chests in WvW, the abilitity to “share” siege blueprints in WvW, all widely requested features by the community.

There are more of course. Saying that Arenanet isn’t listening is an understatement. They don’t listen to everything the community is asking but they DO read the suggestions and concerns of the community.

Oh I forgot the removal of culling too

You also forgot champ drops.

Temporary Content is an absolute joke, it’s a kick in the balls to both players and the people that designed the amazing content.

There should be nothing temporary about the living world updates aside from the events that introduce the new content………. who in the world would think that’s a good idea?

Dailies are also something I despise, it’s the main thing that slowly killed MMO’s off for me, one “day” at a time.

Rift atleast let you store 7 dailies at a time so you could take a break and knock them out in a power gaming session.

Vayne.8563:

Skan.5301:

Yumiko Ishida.3769:

… to the real efforts the company has made to fix things and learn…

Uh..what real efforts have they made to fix things?
The small scale skill balances? Or the massive grindfest they recently introduced?

Enlighten us on what you believe they’ve fixed because I would really like to know. You’ve got the stage.

Edit: Cactus beat me to it.

List of things they’ve fixed…

Culling, Ascalon Catacombs, Tequatl, most of the waaaay too easy bosses, not getting good enough drops for fighting champions, the account wallet, preview on the trading post, the necro to make it viable in most forms of the game….

I’m sure there’s more….maybe you’re just not paying attention.

When it takes a whole year just for that, and with some of those being things that should’ve been fixed on release, it’s not much.

IndigoSundown.5419:

ProxyDamage.9826:

The differential between a full exotic and full ascended gear character right now (2 handed weapon) is + 50-55 damage, + 60 Main stat, +32 secondary stat, and either +32 tertiary stat or +8% crit damage. That totals +50-55 damage and either 124 stat points or +92 stat points and 8% crit damage. That’s not nothing .

124 stat points … would anyone argue that 12 levels worth of trait points would not make a difference — even absent the adept/master/GMaster trait?

The weapon dmg is by far the most impactful, they really, really, really, should’ve left that the same as Exotic.

Vayne.8563:

Nice opinion piece…which is pretty much just that. A very long opinion piece, but you blow it at the end.

You say this could be avoided,. but you don’t really know that. It’s pure conjecture. I’m not sure you’d said anything here that hasn’t been said in countless threads.

Guys, don’t listen to what he says. He posts on any post that has criticisms on the way Anet handled their game (criticisms with a good foundation!) and he always defends Anet, not even looking at the arguments the criticizers give. Sad.

Knote.2904:

Temporary Content is an absolute joke, it’s a kick in the balls to both players and the people that designed the amazing content.

There should be nothing temporary about the living world updates aside from the events that introduce the new content………. who in the world would think that’s a good idea?

Dailies are also something I despise, it’s the main thing that slowly killed MMO’s off for me, one “day” at a time.

Rift atleast let you store 7 dailies at a time so you could take a break and knock them out in a power gaming session.

Vayne.8563:

Skan.5301:

Yumiko Ishida.3769:

… to the real efforts the company has made to fix things and learn…

Uh..what real efforts have they made to fix things?
The small scale skill balances? Or the massive grindfest they recently introduced?

Enlighten us on what you believe they’ve fixed because I would really like to know. You’ve got the stage.

Edit: Cactus beat me to it.

List of things they’ve fixed…

Culling, Ascalon Catacombs, Tequatl, most of the waaaay too easy bosses, not getting good enough drops for fighting champions, the account wallet, preview on the trading post, the necro to make it viable in most forms of the game….

I’m sure there’s more….maybe you’re just not paying attention.

When it takes a whole year just for that, and with some of those being things that should’ve been fixed on release, it’s not much.

I listed a handful of things off the top of my head, that’s not everything they fixed. If I can think of that in 30 seconds, I guarantee you there’s a lot more.

Why pretend I made a comprehesive list, when it’s obvious I didn’t. Nice try.

Sirendor.1394:

Vayne.8563:

Nice opinion piece…which is pretty much just that. A very long opinion piece, but you blow it at the end.

You say this could be avoided,. but you don’t really know that. It’s pure conjecture. I’m not sure you’d said anything here that hasn’t been said in countless threads.

Guys, don’t listen to what he says. He posts on any post that has criticisms on the way Anet handled their game (criticisms with a good foundation!) and he always defends Anet, not even looking at the arguments the criticizers give. Sad.

Hey guys, don’t listen to what he says, he doesn’t have a clue about me. If you’re going to ignore the negative posts I’ve made, you have no right to call me out for defending what I like about the game.

Oh look, he doesn’t agree with me, so therefore he’s a mindless fan boi.

Not even close.

Knote.2904:

When it takes a whole year just for that, and with some of those being things that should’ve been fixed on release, it’s not much.

I posted a bigger list and it clearly shows how exactly they are listening and changing the game. Just because they don’t change other things the community is asking about doesn’t mean there is no change.

Nice try though

I have read the whole post (all 4 parts) and I couldn’t express my sympathy for you more! Your writing mirrors my mind on where Anet went wrong and why it is wrong. Thank you.

PS: we do care

I’m of two minds when it comes to the topic of Ascended weapons and armor.

On one hand, I don’t feel its essential in any way. It’s there if you want it. Everything is still perfectly playable with exotics.

On the other hand, it needs to stop with Ascended. I really, REALLY do not want a gear treadmill in this game. What I do want is what they told us about the dungeons to begin with: Hard PvE with awesome skins as a reward.

I want to look cool, not have better stats. I want very challenging content at level 80, not slightly-harder content to get a better item to make the next bit of content slightly less hard.

So I don’t think Ascended items are that bad, but if they go any further with it I’ll be genuinely disappointed.

Vayne.8563:

Sirendor.1394:

Vayne.8563:

Nice opinion piece…which is pretty much just that. A very long opinion piece, but you blow it at the end.

You say this could be avoided,. but you don’t really know that. It’s pure conjecture. I’m not sure you’d said anything here that hasn’t been said in countless threads.

Guys, don’t listen to what he says. He posts on any post that has criticisms on the way Anet handled their game (criticisms with a good foundation!) and he always defends Anet, not even looking at the arguments the criticizers give. Sad.

Hey guys, don’t listen to what he says, he doesn’t have a clue about me. If you’re going to ignore the negative posts I’ve made, you have no right to call me out for defending what I like about the game.

Oh look, he doesn’t agree with me, so therefore he’s a mindless fan boi.

Not even close.

Lol. But you ARE a mindless fanboi. All of your posts prove it. You disagree with ANYONE who criticizes this game in anyway (even when it’s good, constructive criticism that we need), and defend it to the death, all while trying to make everyone else seem wrong. If that’s not a fanboi, then I don’t know what the hell it is. You really need to stop sucking Anet’s kitten for once and open your eyes to the COUNTLESS flaws, bugs, glitches, and overall bad things that are present in this game. White knighting a game as hardcore as you do actually hurts it more than it helps it. Devs see people praising their terrible game and think “Oh, nothing’s wrong…we don’t need to improve or fix anything. Carry on!”

Seriously dude. Enough with the fanboi orgasms you have all over these forums. It’s extremely pathetic to watch.

Zeph.5927:

Devs see people praising their terrible game and think “Oh, nothing’s wrong…we don’t need to improve or fix anything. Carry on!”

I seriously doubt that forum feedback has any influence at all on the game developers’ decisions. Take the two “Ascended Gear” threads that each generated 20+ pages of comments, were ignored, then deleted, for example.

Spiral Architect.6540:

Zeph.5927:

Devs see people praising their terrible game and think “Oh, nothing’s wrong…we don’t need to improve or fix anything. Carry on!”

I seriously doubt that forum feedback has any influence at all on the game developers’ decisions. Take the two “Ascended Gear” threads that each generated 20+ pages of comments, were ignored, then deleted, for example.

Yet, due to forum feedback, they decided to make changes to the WvW League system and even considering changes to the Bloodlust in the Borderlands mechanic. As for those Ascended Gear threads, they didn’t have any kind of conclusion didn’t they? And there were lots of people on those threads that liked Ascended Gear, while some of the proposals to “solve the issue” were terrible.

Zeph.5927:

Vayne.8563:

Sirendor.1394:

Vayne.8563:

Nice opinion piece…which is pretty much just that. A very long opinion piece, but you blow it at the end.

You say this could be avoided,. but you don’t really know that. It’s pure conjecture. I’m not sure you’d said anything here that hasn’t been said in countless threads.

Guys, don’t listen to what he says. He posts on any post that has criticisms on the way Anet handled their game (criticisms with a good foundation!) and he always defends Anet, not even looking at the arguments the criticizers give. Sad.

Hey guys, don’t listen to what he says, he doesn’t have a clue about me. If you’re going to ignore the negative posts I’ve made, you have no right to call me out for defending what I like about the game.

Oh look, he doesn’t agree with me, so therefore he’s a mindless fan boi.

Not even close.

Lol. But you ARE a mindless fanboi. All of your posts prove it. You disagree with ANYONE who criticizes this game in anyway (even when it’s good, constructive criticism that we need), and defend it to the death, all while trying to make everyone else seem wrong. If that’s not a fanboi, then I don’t know what the hell it is. You really need to stop sucking Anet’s kitten for once and open your eyes to the COUNTLESS flaws, bugs, glitches, and overall bad things that are present in this game. White knighting a game as hardcore as you do actually hurts it more than it helps it. Devs see people praising their terrible game and think “Oh, nothing’s wrong…we don’t need to improve or fix anything. Carry on!”

Seriously dude. Enough with the fanboi orgasms you have all over these forums. It’s extremely pathetic to watch.

So if I can find a handful of negative posts I’ve written then what would you say. Maybe mindless doesn’t mean what you think it means.

Vayne.8563:

So if I can find a handful of negative posts I’ve written then what would you say. Maybe mindless doesn’t mean what you think it means.

Vayne’s posts are anything but mindless. Even when he’s wrong, his arguments have substance to them. I don’t often agree with him. There are times I think he derails threads by getting into kittening contests. In those circumstances, he argues about the letter of a post, rather than looking at the spirit. I think he just likes to argue. Calling him a fanboi is just people trying to belittle his arguments to support their own — which is either a cheap tactic, or the mark of a weak or nonexistent argument.

That said, Vayne, a handful of negative posts is not all that much, given the total number of posts you’ve made.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Vayne.8563:

So if I can find a handful of negative posts I’ve written then what would you say. Maybe mindless doesn’t mean what you think it means.

Vayne’s posts are anything but mindless. Even when he’s wrong, his arguments have substance to them. I don’t often agree with him. There are times I think he derails threads by getting into kittening contests. In those circumstances, he argues about the letter of a post, rather than looking at the spirit. I think he just likes to argue. Calling him a fanboi is just people trying to belittle his arguments to support their own — which is either a cheap tactic, or the mark of a weak or nonexistent argument.

That said, Vayne, a handful of negative posts is not all that much, given the total number of posts you’ve made.

Be that as it is, his posts may not be mindless, but he is barely ever right and drags so many things into the discussions that they are totally off-topic. So that’s why I come to the conclusion just to ignore what he says. Sure he has arguments, but the general consensus overcomes them.

Sirendor.1394:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Vayne.8563:

So if I can find a handful of negative posts I’ve written then what would you say. Maybe mindless doesn’t mean what you think it means.

Vayne’s posts are anything but mindless. Even when he’s wrong, his arguments have substance to them. I don’t often agree with him. There are times I think he derails threads by getting into kittening contests. In those circumstances, he argues about the letter of a post, rather than looking at the spirit. I think he just likes to argue. Calling him a fanboi is just people trying to belittle his arguments to support their own — which is either a cheap tactic, or the mark of a weak or nonexistent argument.

That said, Vayne, a handful of negative posts is not all that much, given the total number of posts you’ve made.

Be that as it is, his posts may not be mindless, but he is barely ever right and drags so many things into the discussions that they are totally off-topic. So that’s why I come to the conclusion just to ignore what he says. Sure he has arguments, but the general consensus overcomes them.

So when you can’t overcome someone’s arguments with arguments of your own, you call them a fanboi? Seems the right way to move a discussion.

As much as you say Vayne is moving discussions completely off-topic, re-read your posts on this thread, you are doing exactly the same.

maddoctor.2738:

Sirendor.1394:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Vayne.8563:

So if I can find a handful of negative posts I’ve written then what would you say. Maybe mindless doesn’t mean what you think it means.

Vayne’s posts are anything but mindless. Even when he’s wrong, his arguments have substance to them. I don’t often agree with him. There are times I think he derails threads by getting into kittening contests. In those circumstances, he argues about the letter of a post, rather than looking at the spirit. I think he just likes to argue. Calling him a fanboi is just people trying to belittle his arguments to support their own — which is either a cheap tactic, or the mark of a weak or nonexistent argument.

That said, Vayne, a handful of negative posts is not all that much, given the total number of posts you’ve made.

Be that as it is, his posts may not be mindless, but he is barely ever right and drags so many things into the discussions that they are totally off-topic. So that’s why I come to the conclusion just to ignore what he says. Sure he has arguments, but the general consensus overcomes them.

So when you can’t overcome someone’s arguments with arguments of your own, you call them a fanboi? Seems the right way to move a discussion.

As much as you say Vayne is moving discussions completely off-topic, re-read your posts on this thread, you are doing exactly the same.

I just said his arguments are not strong enough lol. I didn’t call him a fanboy, someone else did that and I won’t call him that either. He’s just a fervent defender of this game, and he has some reasons that are acceptable, but in general Anet didn’t make up to their promises. And yes I’m being driven off-topic by reacting on people like Vayne, whom I feel are mislead in their opinions.

I agree with you 100%, OP. When I purchased this game (April 2012, I think), I tried to bring some friends to here, explained them that GW2 wan’t “another MMO”. One of them told me: “It will be, as every kittening MMO. You’ll see it”.

Nowadays, I can only agree with him. The original concept has been corrupted and the manifesto is a big laugh. The ones I’d trusted (devs) were lying, so I finally left the game 2 weeks ago. I read this forums once or twice a week, with the hope that vertical progression is fixed (account bound ascended items or something like that), but only that. I’m playing other games, market is plenty of new games everyday.

tl;dr: I’ve logged in order to vote you four times, a former player since Sept 13th

I think the point that is worth stressing is that many of the problems touched on by the OP are entirely reversible, simply due to the fact that there is no compelling purpose for them to exist. There is no need for a separate reward system in sPvP, the bloodlust stat bonus, the extra stats on ascended gear (at least in WvW, which is where they matter), laurels being available solely from dailies, and so on. There are relatively simply methods for getting around almost all of it. The real reason why we will never see those problems solved has more to do with the unwillingness of a.net to reverse themselves even slightly on a given issue.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Vayne.8563:

So if I can find a handful of negative posts I’ve written then what would you say. Maybe mindless doesn’t mean what you think it means.

Vayne’s posts are anything but mindless. Even when he’s wrong, his arguments have substance to them. I don’t often agree with him. There are times I think he derails threads by getting into kittening contests. In those circumstances, he argues about the letter of a post, rather than looking at the spirit. I think he just likes to argue. Calling him a fanboi is just people trying to belittle his arguments to support their own — which is either a cheap tactic, or the mark of a weak or nonexistent argument.

That said, Vayne, a handful of negative posts is not all that much, given the total number of posts you’ve made.

Ah but if you take the number of posts that I’ve made that people argue with that just ups my post count, you’d find that it might be 100 posts arguing one point, rather than 100 different points.

I believe what I believe (just like everyone else). And I don’t believe what I don’t believe.

Because people want to “call me out”, my post count in those threads goes up by a disproportionate amount. Why do I answer back then?

Because other people lurking are watching too, and if someone is trying to belittle or make my points look less, I’ll defend them…not so much for the person trolling me (which is often what it is), but for the people reading who might think there’s no response.

I never let the trolls get to me (and there are are couple). But I do answer them, pretty much because it was how I was raised, I think. lol

Sirendor.1394:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Vayne.8563:

So if I can find a handful of negative posts I’ve written then what would you say. Maybe mindless doesn’t mean what you think it means.

Vayne’s posts are anything but mindless. Even when he’s wrong, his arguments have substance to them. I don’t often agree with him. There are times I think he derails threads by getting into kittening contests. In those circumstances, he argues about the letter of a post, rather than looking at the spirit. I think he just likes to argue. Calling him a fanboi is just people trying to belittle his arguments to support their own — which is either a cheap tactic, or the mark of a weak or nonexistent argument.

That said, Vayne, a handful of negative posts is not all that much, given the total number of posts you’ve made.

Be that as it is, his posts may not be mindless, but he is barely ever right and drags so many things into the discussions that they are totally off-topic. So that’s why I come to the conclusion just to ignore what he says. Sure he has arguments, but the general consensus overcomes them.

I’m barely ever right? lmfao

I’m not sure you’re qualified to judge that. You don’t like the game as is, so your perceptions of the game are filtered through your dislike. I like the game and so the stuff I say is filtered through my perceptions.

I never tell anyone their opinions are wrong…only that I disagree with them. But many of the things that I’ve said and have been challenged on, have been proven over time. And when I do get proven wrong, which does happen, I own up to it.

Mind you, a person with an ax to grind and a narrow mind isn’t likely to prove me wrong because most of the time all they’re doing is stating opinion as fact.

Cassius.4831:

I agree with you 100%, OP. When I purchased this game (April 2012, I think), I tried to bring some friends to here, explained them that GW2 wan’t “another MMO”. One of them told me: “It will be, as every kittening MMO. You’ll see it”.

Nowadays, I can only agree with him. The original concept has been corrupted and the manifesto is a big laugh. The ones I’d trusted (devs) were lying, so I finally left the game 2 weeks ago. I read this forums once or twice a week, with the hope that vertical progression is fixed (account bound ascended items or something like that), but only that. I’m playing other games, market is plenty of new games everyday.

tl;dr: I’ve logged in order to vote you four times, a former player since Sept 13th

Um ascended are account bound now. Even the weapons.