Guild Wars 2

The word Entitled does not necessarily equal ‘free’, all it means is that you feel you should to more than is being offered by ‘x’ because you’ve been around since the beginning of time and it’s your right…that’s what entitlement refers to. No one, and I mean no one, is entitled to anything other than what everyone else is able to buy…whether or not you choose to purchase what is being offered is your choice. Besides, there is almost never any negotiating between consumers and producers, the producers set the price and the consumers either buy or leave it…simple as that, and everyone has that choice now.

Oh, and just to be sure you know the truth:

en·ti·tle·ment
in?t?dlm?nt,en?t?dlm?nt/
noun
the fact of having a right to something.
“full entitlement to fees and maintenance should be offered”
synonyms: right, prerogative, claim; More
the amount to which a person has a right.
“annual leave entitlement”
synonyms: right, prerogative, claim; More
the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
“no wonder your kids have a sense of entitlement”

In addition, as I’ve stated before, the Standard version of HoT is for NEW players, the Deluxe and Ultimate editions are designed for those that already own GW2, aka, veterans…if you couldn’t grasp that concept from the beginning, there is no hope for mankind. Then, after some amount of time after HoT has been on the market and people have played through it, the Living World/Living Stories will start up again, and of course those will be free updates just like they were before, during the 2 week window, or what ever they decide the new release schedule will be. So in reality that $50 price tag for HoT is getting you not only HoT + the base game, but also the next 2 or 3 seasons of Living Story…now tell me that price isn’t worth it?

Zaklex.6308:

So in reality that $50 price tag for HoT is getting you not only HoT + the base game, but also the next 2 or 3 seasons of Living Story…now tell me that price isn’t worth it?*

That price isn’t worth it.

Samhaim.8956:

Sad Swordfish.9743:

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Huggywuggles.2814:

When people have been given three years of nothing but FREE updates and content and turn around and claim that they are OWED for their ‘loyalty’ when a product update is launched and costs money…I think the word (in the negative connotation) ‘entitlement’ is entirely deserved.

You are aware a lot of those people paid more in gem items, per month, than a subscription fee, aren’t you? Heck in some cases, some of our peers paid more, per month in gem store items, than the cost of buying the game.

How are they ‘entitled’ given your scenario?

First of all this is a flat out lie. GW2 isn’t even on the top 10 of games that made a profit from micro transactions ( http://www.polygon.com/2014/7/20/5920815/list-of-mmos-by-revenue-warcraft-old-republic )

And even if it was true, buying gems is completely unnecessary and optional. Because you chose to buy a unnecessary luxury, it does not mean you deserve anything. You paid for a thing, got a thing, that’s it. You are not awarded for your “loyalty” when you go buy milk at the grocery store are you? You knew what the deal was. Stop trying to martyr yourself. It’s embarrassing.

And stop with the lies too. Please. For the love of god.

Are new customers reward with 2 milk bottles when they go to the grocery store? because if so i think i might have been missing out on good stuff…
So stop with nonsensical analogies alright?
If they can give new customers a incentive to try out their game, why cant they do the same for old customers? Or if it was their plan all along to not give us a character slot, why not be open about it on the discussion thread that was made about that same subject instead of being evasive, it would at least give players a heads up and not making them hopeful?

You are wrong, because you assume that HoT is something you must have. You don’t. 10 Dollar value for core GW2 is massively good value.
Not everybody is going to be interested in paying 50 dollars for GW2 + HoT. You get hundreds – thousands hours of gameplay in core GW2, so stop making it sound like its an apple to apple comparisons.

The milk example was related to how outragous it is to expect to be compensated just for being a consumer. You are a consumer, nothing more, nothing less. You’re not entitled to retention based rewards. It makes no sense at all to expect that.
And again – WoW, EQ, HGL, TERA, Aion – The list of people who have bought games shortly before it went F2P is long. They lost out on a deal which essentially made the game free, but thats the way the market works.
And getting GW2 for 10 dollars is a massive steal compared to the people before that sale who paid 40 dollars. What about them?`You see, the entitlement goes around in circles like that if everybody keeps pointing fingers with jealousy and envy over who got the better deal. Someone will always get a better deal than you, and thinking that someone else gets something, is somehow your loss is crazy.

GW2 provides a free service. An optional service. And its being compared to monetary subscription games. The kitten is up with this irrationality?

Throw in some undercoating and you’ve got yourself a deal!

Sad Swordfish.9743:

Tigaseye.2047:

Sad Swordfish.9743:

Sirendor.1394:

This is not a matter of entitlement. It’s a matter of rewarding loyalty and being fair to people.

You couldn’t define entitlement more clearly if you tried. We’ve already abolished these arguments countless times. There is nothing unfair about any of this. A base product is being absorbed into another – The expansion is 50 USD with or without the base game. Its added to avoid cannibalization.

And the rewarding loyalty one is just crazy. The best way they can reward loyalty is to keep making the game great and keeping a service players want to use. Asking for a better deal on a product that does not even have a release date is pointless.

hibari.9836:

Frankly, there is no time when being told “X amount isn’t that much” isn’t going to cause bad blood, and that’s the case whether someone’s saying “$10 isn’t that much” or “150 gold isn’t that much” or “$50 isn’t that much,” because those are all relative and subjective statements. All of them are going to make people whose means are lower feel very slighted, dismissed, and judged.

What you are doing here is that you are trying to assert yourself as a victim in this discussion, removing personal sovereignty and responsibility on yourself. The fact that you are pulling a “everything is relative” statement speaks to this.

People are just telling you that you can go about it. One of my friends doesn’t play much it, but it is completely dooable and reasonable. The expansion doesn’t have a date. The Revernants full feature set has not even been shown yet. So there is time and options.
Im close to 10000 AP. They give you 400 gems for that for free, just for doing things in the game. Thats a half character slot right there. They might even do sales again with character slots off 25% if you want that. Or you can simply wait with buying the expansion until it comes down in price.

I think you’re missing the point.

It would be better if you just stopped calling people “entitled”.

It’s rude, frankly and on a forum that doesn’t tolerate rudeness, however mild and/or justified the person may have felt in being so, it is inappropriate.

That doesn’t mean you can’t hold your view, or disagree with other people’s views, but it would be better to just stick to the facts, rather than calling people names.

I think that is the point of the thread.

Listen, “entitled” is not a slur. It’s a word which basically means “someone who expects something”. That is essentially what entitled means. Trying to turn it into a rude word, or a dirty word or some other form of censorship is bad.

I’m entitled. You are entitled. We all entitled in our daily lives. The discussion, and what is so egregious is about what they are entitled about is fair. That’s essentially it.

No, it is a slur, or a criticism, used in that way.

Yes, the word entitled fundamentally means something innocuous, but when you accuse someone of acting in an entitled way, we all know that means acting in a selfish, childish and overly deserving way.

If you, genuinely, don’t mean it like that, you should be aware that that is how it will be perceived; so (if you do not wish to cause offence) it would be best not to use it at all.

Sad Swordfish.9743:

You are wrong, because you assume that HoT is something you must have. You don’t. 10 Dollar value for core GW2 is massively good value.
Not everybody is going to be interested in paying 50 dollars for GW2 + HoT. You get hundreds – thousands hours of gameplay in core GW2, so stop making it sound like its an apple to apple comparisons.

The milk example was related to how outragous it is to expect to be compensated just for being a consumer. You are a consumer, nothing more, nothing less. You’re not entitled to retention based rewards. It makes no sense at all to expect that.
And again – WoW, EQ, HGL, TERA, Aion – The list of people who have bought games shortly before it went F2P is long. They lost out on a deal which essentially made the game free, but thats the way the market works.
And getting GW2 for 10 dollars is a massive steal compared to the people before that sale who paid 40 dollars. What about them?`You see, the entitlement goes around in circles like that if everybody keeps pointing fingers with jealousy and envy over who got the better deal. Someone will always get a better deal than you, and thinking that someone else gets something, is somehow your loss is crazy.

GW2 provides a free service. An optional service. And its being compared to monetary subscription games. The kitten is up with this irrationality?

What exactly did i assume? can you show me exactly the phrase in my post in which i am assuming anything? My whole post had nothing about the core game price or anything else you posted so i’m a bit confused but either way i’ll humor you and show a few points in your argument that are flawed.

• 1 – Your list of MMO’s that went f2p is great and all, but as far as i know most mmos that do go f2p offer some sort of perks for already paying customers so that the money that they’re currently spending on the game is not completely invalidated;

• 2 – Anyone who paid $40 for gw2 and then saw a sale come up right could try for a refund, that how it has always worked and how it works right now, people that recently bought gw2 can try to get a discount on HoT through that;

• 3 – Gw2 provides no free service, never have, never will, and most of the people throwing comparisons involving Gw2 are doing so by pulling GW own history with expansions/standalone.

Since the discussion in this thread has derailed and is no longer constructive this thread is now closed.