Guild Wars 2

Paying TP flippers is what I’m reduced to it seems if I’m to get ANY kind of legendary.

Where RNG is most likely skewed:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/crafting/3000-Played-No-random-precursor-drop/first#post2338615

Personally if sigil’s, rune’s and trait’s don’t work correctly what makes you think RNG is functioning correctly.

And of course my friend here:

Zumy.6318:

2800 hours played:

-3 Precursors in WvW
-3Precursors in Open PvE
-2 Precursors in the Maw Fractal
-3 Precursors from the Mystic Forge

The last straw for me was today. I used all my savings that i’d accumulated since GW2 launch to buy a bunch of rare’s to throw into the Mystic toilet.

I got many exotics, none of them precursor’s and nothing that will go any great length to recover what I spent.

The most upsetting part is everything is there. The mats, gifts, map completion etc. It was only ever the precursor that was missing.

RNG has shafted me twice now and if I continue with wanting to get the ‘legendary’ I’ll take the ‘legendary’ step of grinding cof p1 and paying TP flippers in the future.

Is this what legendary is?

Did you toss in the exotics or sell them back?

I’ve been throwing in rares, and I’ve thrown in 200+ rares (~50+ tosses) and have sold all my exotics which in turn allow me to throw in more.

I purchased 150 rares to use and sold my exotics which allowed me to buy 150 more. It’s an endless cycle for me right now and I’m enjoying myself.

If you truly had that much gold, why not just buy the Precursor?

You did it lobsided.

1/ you start with the cheap items, to end with the most expensive component? That’s silly. You don’t buy the spoiler for a car you don’t own.

2/ you complain about the so-called flippers but fail to see how they provide you with a 100% chance at precursors.

3/ You presume these precursors are owned by dishonest people, which is a dishonest presumption.

I don’t flip, I’m too casual for that. But I do see the value these guys offer me: 100% chance for my precursor. Once I have that, I can start on the rest of my gifts. Economics 101.

Esplen.3940:

If you truly had that much gold, why not just buy the Precursor?

How much is that much you speak of?

Paying flippers is part of the legendary process, I now see this.

You could have spent that “Savings” on buying the actual precursor. And if that really was everything you had since launch, Then you must have really not made a lot of gold.

marnick.4305:

You presume these precursors are owned by dishonest people, which is a dishonest presumption.

What? lol sigh no I didn’t.

I knew not to expect much from the forums, but I am still surprised.

Oceangrave.9657:

You could have spent that “Savings” on buying the actual precursor. And if that really was everything you had since launch, Then you must have really not made a lot of gold.

Yes I will in future pay the ‘legendary’ flippers if I continue with it. BTW define for me what is “a lot of gold” at this stage of the game?

Through the hoop Bob ()

http://joshuawilliammills.tripod.com/compositions/onslowlearning.html

actually i agree that is somehow wrong to give money to buy a precursor, mostly because market flipper are what damages the game for most players…..

They even comes out with some sort of excuses like they are heroes that preserve the gold value paying taxes….while in reality they are only responsible of an inflated economy where only cof farmers and other flippers can buy shinies.

OP didn t make a stupid decision……OP just didn t want to pay flippers and he should be praised for that.

LordByron.8369:

actually i agree that is somehow wrong to give money to buy a precursor, mostly because market flipper are what damages the game for most players…..

They even comes out with some sort of excuses like they are heroes that preserve the gold value paying taxes….while in reality they are only responsible of an inflated economy where only cof farmers and other flippers can buy shinies.

OP didn t make a stupid decision……OP just didn t want to pay flippers and he should be praised for that.

There are more than enough methods of getting a precursor, just because the one you (note the you is not directed towards you, it’s just a you in the sense of anyone reading this) chose one that you regret or did not give it to you as easily as you would have liked, does not mean that it is a stupid system.

If YOU choose to take the rng path, then YOU should expect it to take just as long, if not longer, than the “easier path” which is directly buying it.

I’m going down the Mystic Forge path, and I’m nearly 70% of the way to my Legendary. I don’t care if I don’t get it within 500 tries. I have plenty of time. It’s not like my life will end if I don’t get a Legendary. It’s not like I’m a noob if I don’t get this Legendary (technically, if I do get it, I become a noob since it makes my character stand out from my clones/phantasms and only has 1 skill with the sound/animation).

Sure, Byron, you think the entire system is rigged and that there are people who own everything and control everything you buy. Hey, they’re also paying me to talk about this. I’m including this little bit on my own, it helps make me credible because there’s no way I’d rat out my employer. So don’t buy your precursor straight out. Use the Mystic Forge, do your daily dragon chests, kill any and all mobs you see. I’m perfectly okay with that. Just remember that you’re rolling against the odds. The chance of you looting a Precursor is something around 1/10,000,000 from normal mobs, iirc. From the daily dragon chests it’s much higher, like 1/100,000 (don’t quote me on these numbers, please). But hey, if that’s the way you feel, that’s the way that I think you should go. We all have our own methods of obtaining our goals, and that’s what makes the journey fun.

Emperor.1360:

Secondly, saving gold and buying a precursor is in no way “RNG”.

Grammar correction on the internets, the first sign of any losing argument sigh

You’re right about RNG. In fact at no point did I disagree with you but now you are even forgetting what you typed -.-

3 of you 4 points were RNG

Now as a friendly prompt go back and read the thread. You’ll find I’ve already answered you points about precursor purchases.

Esplen.3940:

they’re also paying me to talk about this.

So it’s your fault!

SoPP.7034:

3 of you 4 points were RNG

That doesn’t inherently make the fourth point RNG. You dismissed him because he stated 3 RNG methods and 1 non-RNG method and then stated why the last one can be done even though it’s not RNG.

You have choices, if you are incapable of choosing the choice that YOU want, then don’t blame everyone else or even the system.

You want a surefire way of getting a precursor but you don’t want to buy it straight up.

I wonder what the problem is…

Esplen.3940:

SoPP.7034:

3 of you 4 points were RNG

That doesn’t inherently make the fourth point RNG.

I wonder what the problem is…

People don’t read?

That’s why it wasn’t 4 of 4.

Esplen.3940:

LordByron.8369:

actually i agree that is somehow wrong to give money to buy a precursor, mostly because market flipper are what damages the game for most players…..

They even comes out with some sort of excuses like they are heroes that preserve the gold value paying taxes….while in reality they are only responsible of an inflated economy where only cof farmers and other flippers can buy shinies.

OP didn t make a stupid decision……OP just didn t want to pay flippers and he should be praised for that.

There are more than enough methods of getting a precursor, just because the one you (note the you is not directed towards you, it’s just a you in the sense of anyone reading this) chose one that you regret or did not give it to you as easily as you would have liked, does not mean that it is a stupid system.

If YOU choose to take the rng path, then YOU should expect it to take just as long, if not longer, than the “easier path” which is directly buying it.

I’m going down the Mystic Forge path, and I’m nearly 70% of the way to my Legendary. I don’t care if I don’t get it within 500 tries. I have plenty of time. It’s not like my life will end if I don’t get a Legendary. It’s not like I’m a noob if I don’t get this Legendary (technically, if I do get it, I become a noob since it makes my character stand out from my clones/phantasms and only has 1 skill with the sound/animation).

Sure, Byron, you think the entire system is rigged and that there are people who own everything and control everything you buy. Hey, they’re also paying me to talk about this. I’m including this little bit on my own, it helps make me credible because there’s no way I’d rat out my employer. So don’t buy your precursor straight out. Use the Mystic Forge, do your daily dragon chests, kill any and all mobs you see. I’m perfectly okay with that. Just remember that you’re rolling against the odds. The chance of you looting a Precursor is something around 1/10,000,000 from normal mobs, iirc. From the daily dragon chests it’s much higher, like 1/100,000 (don’t quote me on these numbers, please). But hey, if that’s the way you feel, that’s the way that I think you should go. We all have our own methods of obtaining our goals, and that’s what makes the journey fun.

The fallacy in you logic is how precursors don t have a stable price.

Flippers decide the price and often they chaneg it with known methods.

look at zap how despite the lack of new supply saw in 5 min the price increase of 100 GOLD and misteriously appearing in the same 5 minutes some more offers in line with the new price.

I mean makes sense that players make an offer of 260G for a 280G precursor they don t have success for days and then when the price spike to 380 they offer 360 really fast.

Do you want to give money to players like that?
Those unfortunately are those laughing at you with 4 legendary and thousands of gold….

So even if its true that is easier to just buy a precursor, i can only praise anyone not fueling the monopoly created around precursors…..

P.S. if you follow a precursor on gw2 spidy since many months looking at supply, offers and demand you can clearly see a pattern that is not even debatable.
Flippers affect precursor price…

Emperor.1360:

I am “losing an argument”

Hey it’s ok, we’re here for you.

SoPP.7034:

Emperor.1360:

I am “losing an argument”

Hey it’s ok, we’re here for you.

Yep, we’ve been losing a game for months so used to it, we are the wet nurses :P

Paul.4081:

Yep, we’ve been losing a game for months so used to it, we are the wet nurses :P

I’m feeling much better now!

LordByron.8369:

Esplen.3940:

LordByron.8369:

actually i agree that is somehow wrong to give money to buy a precursor, mostly because market flipper are what damages the game for most players…..

They even comes out with some sort of excuses like they are heroes that preserve the gold value paying taxes….while in reality they are only responsible of an inflated economy where only cof farmers and other flippers can buy shinies.

OP didn t make a stupid decision……OP just didn t want to pay flippers and he should be praised for that.

There are more than enough methods of getting a precursor, just because the one you (note the you is not directed towards you, it’s just a you in the sense of anyone reading this) chose one that you regret or did not give it to you as easily as you would have liked, does not mean that it is a stupid system.

If YOU choose to take the rng path, then YOU should expect it to take just as long, if not longer, than the “easier path” which is directly buying it.

I’m going down the Mystic Forge path, and I’m nearly 70% of the way to my Legendary. I don’t care if I don’t get it within 500 tries. I have plenty of time. It’s not like my life will end if I don’t get a Legendary. It’s not like I’m a noob if I don’t get this Legendary (technically, if I do get it, I become a noob since it makes my character stand out from my clones/phantasms and only has 1 skill with the sound/animation).

Sure, Byron, you think the entire system is rigged and that there are people who own everything and control everything you buy. Hey, they’re also paying me to talk about this. I’m including this little bit on my own, it helps make me credible because there’s no way I’d rat out my employer. So don’t buy your precursor straight out. Use the Mystic Forge, do your daily dragon chests, kill any and all mobs you see. I’m perfectly okay with that. Just remember that you’re rolling against the odds. The chance of you looting a Precursor is something around 1/10,000,000 from normal mobs, iirc. From the daily dragon chests it’s much higher, like 1/100,000 (don’t quote me on these numbers, please). But hey, if that’s the way you feel, that’s the way that I think you should go. We all have our own methods of obtaining our goals, and that’s what makes the journey fun.

The fallacy in you logic is how precursors don t have a stable price.

Flippers decide the price and often they chaneg it with known methods.

look at zap how despite the lack of new supply saw in 5 min the price increase of 100 GOLD and misteriously appearing in the same 5 minutes some more offers in line with the new price.

I mean makes sense that players make an offer of 260G for a 280G precursor they don t have success for days and then when the price spike to 380 they offer 360 really fast.

Do you want to give money to players like that?
Those unfortunately are those laughing at you with 4 legendary and thousands of gold….

So even if its true that is easier to just buy a precursor, i can only praise anyone not fueling the monopoly created around precursors…..

P.S. if you follow a precursor on gw2 spidy since many months looking at supply, offers and demand you can clearly see a pattern that is not even debatable.
Flippers affect precursor price…

So then that’s the difficulty in purchasing a Precursor without using RNG. I don’t see how that’s a fallacy in my logic.

Welcome to the Permanent Diminishing Return Club!

BakingBabe.1805:

Love how he can’t even respond to this and tries to ignore it.

LOL! Hardly. I’m feeling much better, having said my piece.

I’m actually fascinated now with how emotional everyone is getting and the lengths people are going too. I want people to type MORE!

BakingBabe, can I ask a question? You have NEVER posted on this forum till right this moment! My thread being the first! SO! Either my thread motivated you THAT much to make your post OR Emperor log onto his other account!

HAHA.

OMG this is too funny.

The difficult part is deciding to not take an easier way and help people that ruins the game…but seems too altruistic for some people to understand.

So do whatever you like but accusing people of having stupid ideas because they try a morally better solution is wrong….

Its anet that should fight excessive greediness of some flippers just generating a huge supply of monopolized items so when flippers risk have big hits they becomes less greedy.

Something like what happened with the cristalline dust.

i know this is a game.. but if you look at the real world, not everyone that works hard becomes a legend. a lot of it comes with timing, luck, being in the right place at the right time, being born in the right time, the list goes on….

it comes down to what your perspective of legendary is, vs what ANet’s is, vs what everyone else’s is.

what i am trying to say is.. don’t let it get to you. don’t turn bitter. keep trying and when you DO get it, it will be that much more worth it.

SoPP.7034:

BakingBabe.1805:

Love how he can’t even respond to this and tries to ignore it.

BakingBabe, can I ask a question? You have NEVER posted on this forum till right this moment! My thread being the first! SO! Either my thread motivated you THAT much to make your post OR Emperor log onto his other account!

I usually lurk… only been playing for a short time. I loved his response to you, made me laugh

akamon.2769:

i know this is a game.. but if you look at the real world, not everyone that works hard becomes a legend. a lot of it comes with timing, luck, being in the right place at the right time, being born in the right time, the list goes on….

it comes down to what your perspective of legendary is, vs what ANet’s is, vs what everyone else’s is.

what i am trying to say is.. don’t let it get to you. don’t turn bitter. keep trying and when you DO get it, it will be that much more worth it.

This has been a healing process. Thank you all, I feel much better!

LordByron.8369:

Its anet that should fight excessive greediness of some flippers just generating a huge supply of monopolized items so when flippers risk have big hits they becomes less greedy.

Something like what happened with the cristalline dust.

How dare they let the TP be influenced by the PLAYERS! Anet should step in and tell us how much money we’re allowed to make… and by Anet I mean the players… but not those players, I mean the other players.

Many jimmies have been rustled this day.

On a serious note, legendaries are all about preserverence and patience. You honestly don’t have to choose the RNG route.

I’ve known someone who has spent nearly 2x the precursor worth trying to mystic forge it. If you really struggle with it, you can always buy it.

You’re not indebted a precursor simply because you chose to gamble it.

I’m sure in the future there will be a more reliable method to acquiring precursors, but seeing as it’s gotta be right now, you have to deal with what options you have. Obviously the mystic forge isn’t working, which is why buying them seems more reliable.

tolunart.2095:

LordByron.8369:

Its anet that should fight excessive greediness of some flippers just generating a huge supply of monopolized items so when flippers risk have big hits they becomes less greedy.

Something like what happened with the cristalline dust.

How dare they let the TP be influenced by the PLAYERS! Anet should step in and tell us how much money we’re allowed to make… and by Anet I mean the players… but not those players, I mean the other players.

I guess it s OK as long as its permitted to have free pvp against market flippers with them dropping stuff.

You know how economy works in real world?
there are rules for the market to prevent monopolies and when they are uneffective, even wars are fought ove those.

So let me kill any flipper on sight even in lion s arch and i m fine……
Or put some sort of police that gives them fines if they try to inflate prices creating a false demand or scarcity….

Ultimaweed.7148:

In case this sorry excuse of a thread is trying to prove a point, you are mad that other people have currency and items of value that you do not. You also tried to gamble for those items and failed, well… tough kitten. Seems like you didn’t get what you wanted and now are trying to make yourself feel better by saying those items are not worth that much. Too bad huh?

Yep, I’m pretty sure those grapes are sour, anyway.

You can buy an exotic version of just about any weapon for 1-2 gold. The other 1,498 gold and/or 2000 hours of grinding is for the cool skin. It’s up to you whether it’s worth it or not.

LordByron.8369:

I guess it s OK as long as its permitted to have free pvp against market flippers with them dropping stuff.

You know how economy works in real world?
there are rules for the market to prevent monopolies and when they are uneffective, even wars are fought ove those.

So let me kill any flipper on sight even in lion s arch and i m fine……
Or put some sort of police that gives them fines if they try to inflate prices creating a false demand or scarcity….

This is a game. I just thought you might want to know.

Sabelle.2159:

I’m sure in the future there will be a more reliable method to acquiring precursors, but seeing as it’s gotta be right now, you have to deal with what options you have. Obviously the mystic forge isn’t working, which is why buying them seems more reliable.

Rumor has it “the future” is in the next month or two.

tolunart.2095:

Sabelle.2159:

I’m sure in the future there will be a more reliable method to acquiring precursors, but seeing as it’s gotta be right now, you have to deal with what options you have. Obviously the mystic forge isn’t working, which is why buying them seems more reliable.

Rumor has it “the future” is in the next month or two.

Last I heard, rumor has been saying that for the past few months.

SoPP.7034:

Paying TP flippers is what I’m reduced to it seems if I’m to get ANY kind of legendary.

Where RNG is most likely skewed:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/crafting/3000-Played-No-random-precursor-drop/first#post2338615

Personally if sigil’s, rune’s and trait’s don’t work correctly what makes you think RNG is functioning correctly.

And of course my friend here:

Zumy.6318:

2800 hours played:

-3 Precursors in WvW
-3Precursors in Open PvE
-2 Precursors in the Maw Fractal
-3 Precursors from the Mystic Forge

The last straw for me was today. I used all my savings that i’d accumulated since GW2 launch to buy a bunch of rare’s to throw into the Mystic toilet.

I got many exotics, none of them precursor’s and nothing that will go any great length to recover what I spent.

The most upsetting part is everything is there. The mats, gifts, map completion etc. It was only ever the precursor that was missing.

RNG has shafted me twice now and if I continue with wanting to get the ‘legendary’ I’ll take the ‘legendary’ step of grinding cof p1 and paying TP flippers in the future.

Is this what legendary is?

dude, there are just 3 easy steps:
step 1: sell your items/mats/house/car/wife/kids etc.
step 2. buy my overpriced precursor on the TP
step 3. look in the mirror for the rest of your life

:)

I feel really bad for people like OP. I’m actually jealous in a way. I got a Dusk back in March after about 30 total gold investment in the mystic toilet. I haven’t been able to summon the willpower or resourcefulness to gather the rest of the materials though. The lodestones and t6 are killing me. I can’t see myself running CoF p1 9001 times to finish this kitten Twilight… I feel sort of guilty for getting the hardest part done so easily, but I envy the intestinal fortitude others seem to have for grinding out the farming and gold required for the rest of the crap.

Food for thought:
Cost to make the Legendary Bolt = 1252g40s19c (number changes due to prices calculated from GW2Spidy website & does not put a price on karma or skill points)
Cost to purchase Legendary Bolt with a buy order = 1445g (source GW2Spidy)

The legend buy order = 556g list price 640g
Bifrost buy order = 1549g list price 2150g
cost to make Bifrost = 1291g32s67c including buying the precursor

How much is your time worth and how much luck do you have with RNG?
With the drop in prices of dust the gap between making them and buying the legendary has widened. However, not long ago there was even less of a difference.
I don’t like the option to buy the legendary – just pointing out that depending on the price of the precursor weapon it may be more cost effective to buy your legendary.

There is nothing ever legendary about legandaries in any game EVER. Eventually, every noob follows a guide and get it because if it is too difficult those noobs will whine until it is ez or threaten to quit the game.

If they really wanted legendaries to be…well, LEGENDARY…they should have made it an achievement to get, not something you can throw money at.

As it stands, legendary status is not “Wow, well done!”, it’s “Wow, you’re rich!”.

Why do you want a Legendary?

With the chance it’s stats will be nerfed the day after you finally achieve it, whats the point?

We need Streak-Breaker coding. …it’s just that simple…

Or atleast the “Unlucky” Title back if Anet won’t put in Streak Breaker.

ilr.9675:

We need Streak-Breaker coding. …it’s just that simple…

Or atleast the “Unlucky” Title back if Anet won’t put in Streak Breaker.

Agreed on both counts.

SoPP.7034:

I used all my savings that i’d accumulated since GW2 launch to buy a bunch of rare’s to throw into the Mystic toilet.

So that must mean you bought a bunch rares or mats to make rares…of the tp…from tp flippers among others…

sorry but… what is flippers? TP flipping? wha? I don’t understand this lingo, plz explain.

marnick.4305:

You did it lobsided.

1/ you start with the cheap items, to end with the most expensive component? That’s silly. You don’t buy the spoiler for a car you don’t own.

2/ you complain about the so-called flippers but fail to see how they provide you with a 100% chance at precursors.

3/ You presume these precursors are owned by dishonest people, which is a dishonest presumption.

I don’t flip, I’m too casual for that. But I do see the value these guys offer me: 100% chance for my precursor. Once I have that, I can start on the rest of my gifts. Economics 101.

So your idea of legendary is to buy components for it on the market like any other random piece of junk?

I received my precursor as a gift from Gate of Madness back in November in thanks to organizing the server for WvW. I’m proud of my legendary that I crafted it into, and even if nobody else sees the sentimental value in that,, it’ll always be my pride and joy. People like you anger me when you assume that we (those of us with legendaries) obtained them illegitimately, and didn’t work our kitten off. I farmed for 18 hours a day for 2 months straight to get everything for my legendary not including my precursor, and even considered quitting the game after getting my legendary. I’ve felt no greater sense of achievement in this game than placing those 4 items in the forge and seeing that beautiful purple-embossed legendary weapon rise up.

It is legendary. Less than 1% of the entire population has one, so I’ll leave you this.

You may get frustrated, you may want to quit, but earning that precursor at the very least is a rite of passage. We of the 1% are waiting with open arms.

2200 hours, zero precursors. this is not fair.

Viking Jorun.5413

: I farmed for 18 hours a day for 2 months straight to get everything for my legendary not including my precursor, and even considered quitting the game after getting my legendary.

… Uh, do you really think that’s something to be proud of? That you spent most of your life during those months doing something so easy and mindless that a bot could do it better than you, while hating it so much that you considered quitting?

Legendaries don’t require skill. The only thing they require is time spent, and often the stories of those who have Legendaries are like that – people who waste their lives doing something as devoid of purpose as a donkey chasing a carrot dangling in front of its face.

It’s a shame that ArenaNet rewards this kind of behavior, considering how it’s bad even for a player’s health.

LordByron.8369:

actually i agree that is somehow wrong to give money to buy a precursor, mostly because market flipper are what damages the game for most players…..

They even comes out with some sort of excuses like they are heroes that preserve the gold value paying taxes….while in reality they are only responsible of an inflated economy where only cof farmers and other flippers can buy shinies.

OP didn t make a stupid decision……OP just didn t want to pay flippers and he should be praised for that.

I didn’t farm CoF a single time. Just did it for dungeon master.

I didn’t flip a single item.

I didn’t convert a single gem to gold.

I’m soon to buy my precursor at current market prices.

Let’s double state that market prices are not inflated, in fact, they haven’t meaningfully changed since January.

This game has the lowest gold inflation of all games I’ve played thus far. Flippers can’t influence the prices like they did in other games. That’s a fact to players who actually have a clue. Don’t talk about stuff you know squat about.

marnick.4305:

. Flippers can’t influence the prices like they did in other games. That’s a fact to players who actually have a clue. Don’t talk about stuff you know squat about.

please don t waste people time denying obvious things.

Waste 3 minutes to look at Black Lion forum and gw2 spidy…..before saying people is clueless.

Expecially if you can t even post a valid reason to your denial

Broken economy does mean that gold is worthless.

We should ask the direct question to a dev:
What impact more economy?
Cof1 or flipping stuff?

The fact cof1 still exists is a valid answer…considering they have this game economy as a priority to a certain extent…
If something is too rewarding and they can do something about it they are really fast to nerf rewards.

OP: I’ll tell you a story.

In the early days when T5 mats were cheap, I used to craft and forge Greatswords every week to try and get a precursor. After about 2000 and no luck as the forge doesn’t like me. I gave up and just started saving money. At one point I missed the chance to buy Dawn for 250 g (South Sun release incident). So I saved and saved and collected the mats. I’m not one to grind COF1 so I just did other stuff, I also didn’t play the TP. I did play Fractals twice a day. I ended up selling all my Charged Loadstones to bridge the gap so I could pay 500 g for the pre. Getting back the Charged Loadstones was hard, but it was a goal I could see some progress in.

In the end I’m using a fractal hammer instead of Sunrise(used it for 1 month).
I recently tried the forge again to get the pre for the Hammer legendary and was reminded yet again that the forge doesn’t like me.

Just TP flip yourself. I spent the last weekend doing it. Now im earning around 50g every day and its barely slowing down my normal gameplay. I play 4-5 hours a night on a weeknight and just take a bit of time to put in some buy orders and resell what has come in and then go play the game. Im surprised at how easy it is to get gold.

My big problem is actually laruels. Im finding it substantially harder to get ascended for my 8 chars to be fully geared. On current progression its going to take me around 2 years to do this. Partly because I play by myself 99% of the time so no guild missions. The only way to speed up that process is through guild missions. But yeah, this wills still take me a lot longer to get than legendarys. I have 2 legendarys and can easily make my third and forth right now if I wanted.

Sure, legendarys aren’t really legendary. They were designed badly. They should have been based on accomplishments in the game. But they are not. There are a lot of things in this game that are like this. So I just live with it and adapt and move along.