I honestly could not believe the removal of cow feeding (etc.) was not a joke. I had to check the video in disbelief. And it didn’t stop there, all that dumbing down and NONE of it is optional for “veterans”?
The official comment did not help either. Of course there will be people who cannot handle a computer game. My dad would not even be able to play the dumbed down version. Can you make it so that mobs just fall over and die when you click on them?
Do you have any idea how many people are unable to use all the features of their electronic devices? Do you see any major electronics companies sell TVs with only three buttons for volume up/down, channel up/down and on/off?
I am now waiting for a WvW feature patch deleting the Mesmer and Thief classes because fighting disappearing and cloning enemies is too confusing.
Youtube “L2villagejester”.
People using belittling wording like whining/qqing" are not taken seriously by me
Same for people posting only to tell others not to post (“deal with it”-posts)
Anet, how hard would it be to make the tutorial go faster for alts?
An implementation I’m thinking of is if you have a character on your account with no tutorial locks left, you get a perk on your account that makes the tutorial unlock things at an accelerated rate.
That sounds like a win to me. New players are carefully hand-held, while those who are already accustomed with the game are not restricted by tutorial mode.
If you want to move to AA in response, welcome aboard! If it helps, take a look here http://archeage.guildex.org/servers/eu to see where most guilds who quit GW2 move to on AA.
Currently Dahuta will contain the most ex-GW2 guilds.
I’m going to paraphrase Colin on this topic. The decision to implement the New Player Experiment system came from tens of thousands of usability testers and interviews with players who tried Gw2 and left leading up to China launch both in NA/EU and in China. It came as a surprise to us but it was an important for us to acknowledge that a number of systems, downed included, were difficult to understand for many players.
For the downed, system we tried a downed tutorial, building downed into the level 1 tutorial and other ideas. After usability testing with numerous different groups, we found that the best rate of people learning and understanding it came from having it be layered complexity and the solution we went with above. Intuitively that wouldn’t have been my guess either initially, but we found people understood it better this way than all other options we tried.
This same level of testing led to the other changes as well. At the end of the day the biggest take away is that all of us (including a lot of people on the forums) probably know games (and Guild Wars 2) really really well. We have millions of users, and a tiny percentage of them frequent game forums. Just because all of us learned those systems well and thought it was all really easy doesn’t mean we are the norm.
I hope this helps everyone here understand that this was a decision to improve the game for many people. Thanks for your understanding
I think you guys overestimate how many “NEW” players are actually lining up and deciding to buy a game based on how well the first few hours and learning curve are…. fact is, after a certain amount of time, players will understand the game (especially one that is a cakewalk like GW2.)…. what you guys spent so much effort and time adding for new players is hardly going to make any new comer smarter or turn them into an MMO pro lol…You guys must think ppl buying this game are first time video game players or something…
I’m simply stunned at how casual this game has already been and yet anet still decides to dumb it down even more, with needless changes….
You know some concepts that actually might be harder to grasp like combo fields/finishers, did you guys bother to give newcomers some kind of tutorial on that?
I don’t think so, yet omg downed state, everyone is clueless on what happens when you go down.. What a mess and disappoint in this newcomer stuff
omg, This change won’t really affect us vet MMO gamers who have been playing MMOS for 10+ years. Most of us will fly through the levels so fast these changes won’t mater anyways. Those who are super new to MMOs or totally confused as to how GW2 works compared to a game like (sigh) WoW will have a more accessible game. This is no complaint I’m reading in the OP, this is pure elitism at it’s finest.
So a player coming from WoW where you have to manage in excess of 30 skills will
have a problem adjusting to a 10 skill bar and a dodge…yeah
Pretty much. I have recommended this game to 3 people, My Brother in-law, brother and a friend from work…. all three left within the first month over some of the issues this patch addresses. Hey the average person isn’t always gonna get it or see the value in constantly rolling around as a game mechanic. The downed state was a big factor.
This is just a mayor time gating of the player experience (grind) . Whatever happened to the horizontal progression. This is becoming more and more restrictive gameplay. And its an insult to players who know how to use their head. It would be fine if it would be optional, but it isnt (just made a new char for the sake of testing, its terribly restrictive and forced)
OMG cow feeding was not a joke indeed…..
This is worse than I thought.
Can you picture this?
-Hey boss we have serious problems.New players are leaving the game.
-It’s those darn cows.!!I told you we should not have cows,but no,you had to put them there.!#!$@$#$
-I know..I’m sorry.I’m afraid there’s more…
-What?
-Well..players have to feed the cows…I know I know..I’m so sorry.
-Are you trying to !# ruin us?!$#%%#Remove the feeding of cows immediately and schedule the removal of all cows from the game in a future patch.No more cows.
P.S -Cow:Moooooooo
-Hodor:Hoooodoor
-Win a pip,lose a pip,win a pip,lose a pip,lose a pip,
lose a pip,win 2 pips,lose a pip,lose a pip…………..-
-Go go Espartz.-
omg, This change won’t really affect us vet MMO gamers who have been playing MMOS for 10+ years. Most of us will fly through the levels so fast these changes won’t mater anyways. Those who are super new to MMOs or totally confused as to how GW2 works compared to a game like (sigh) WoW will have a more accessible game. This is no complaint I’m reading in the OP, this is pure elitism at it’s finest.
I disagree, in particular with the “more accessible game” part.
GW2 was my fist mmorpg.
The game did feel overwhelming during the first hour or so, BUT not because I had a skill bar! To me the quantity of skills was never a problem, and I remember that when my character was low level I wished I had more utilities unlocked, to make the fights more interesting and varied.
What made the game overwhelming was the huge amount of stuff not covered by the tutorial, stuff that I could figure out only thanks to the wiki.
This update “dumbs down” things that for me were never difficult to grasp, while not addressing the things that actually need a Google search.
So, to me, the game now is actually less accessible: not only it still lacks a good and complete tutorial (that was what it needed in the first place), now leveling is a worse experience too.
omg, This change won’t really affect us vet MMO gamers who have been playing MMOS for 10+ years. Most of us will fly through the levels so fast these changes won’t mater anyways. Those who are super new to MMOs or totally confused as to how GW2 works compared to a game like (sigh) WoW will have a more accessible game. This is no complaint I’m reading in the OP, this is pure elitism at it’s finest.
So a player coming from WoW where you have to manage in excess of 30 skills will
have a problem adjusting to a 10 skill bar and a dodge…yeah
Pretty much. I have recommended this game to 3 people, My Brother in-law, brother and a friend from work…. all three left within the first month over some of the issues this patch addresses. Hey the average person isn’t always gonna get it or see the value in constantly rolling around as a game mechanic. The downed state was a big factor.
actually what you imply, is that they will still leave the game in the first month, because down state is still in the game, it just appears at level 5, and dodging is still a major factor for playing the game, it just is more needed when you are level 10 now. And thats really the whole point.
this patch has not made anything easier or explained it, it has just made you deal with it later. And for the people who make it past the first month, it has made every charachter you replay substantially more tedious.
Game needs a hard mode or veteran mode, if they are going to keep designing the game based on people who are substantially below the curve.
I’m going to paraphrase Colin on this topic. The decision to implement the New Player Experiment system came from tens of thousands of usability testers and interviews with players who tried Gw2 and left leading up to China launch both in NA/EU and in China. It came as a surprise to us but it was an important for us to acknowledge that a number of systems, downed included, were difficult to understand for many players.
For the downed, system we tried a downed tutorial, building downed into the level 1 tutorial and other ideas. After usability testing with numerous different groups, we found that the best rate of people learning and understanding it came from having it be layered complexity and the solution we went with above. Intuitively that wouldn’t have been my guess either initially, but we found people understood it better this way than all other options we tried.
This same level of testing led to the other changes as well. At the end of the day the biggest take away is that all of us (including a lot of people on the forums) probably know games (and Guild Wars 2) really really well. We have millions of users, and a tiny percentage of them frequent game forums. Just because all of us learned those systems well and thought it was all really easy doesn’t mean we are the norm.
I hope this helps everyone here understand that this was a decision to improve the game for many people. Thanks for your understanding
Were these tens of thousands of test users infants? Or monkeys?
This appears to be more of an effort to ‘kill key runs’ with the excuse of helping newbies (dumb ones that too)
Kind of overkill just to nerf key farming…I kinda like the changes, although I haven’t been able to play them yet, but they seem really good. My wife has been waiting for these kind of changes for awhile. It was kind of a turn off for her, just being thrown into the game and not having much of an idea of what to do.
“You know what the chain of command is?
It’s the chain I beat you with until you
recognize my command!”
omg, This change won’t really affect us vet MMO gamers who have been playing MMOS for 10+ years. Most of us will fly through the levels so fast these changes won’t mater anyways. Those who are super new to MMOs or totally confused as to how GW2 works compared to a game like (sigh) WoW will have a more accessible game. This is no complaint I’m reading in the OP, this is pure elitism at it’s finest.
I disagree, in particular with the “more accessible game” part.
GW2 was my fist mmorpg.
The game did feel overwhelming during the first hour or so, BUT not because I had a skill bar! To me the quantity of skills was never a problem, and I remember that when my character was low level I wished I had more utilities unlocked, to make the fights more interesting and varied.
What made the game overwhelming was the huge amount of stuff not covered by the tutorial, stuff that I could figure out only thanks to the wiki.
This update “dumbs down” things that for me were never difficult to grasp, while not addressing the things that actually need a Google search.
So, to me, the game now is actually less accessible: not only it still lacks a good and complete tutorial (that was what it needed in the first place), now leveling is a worse experience too.
bingo.
slow down basics, to the point of boredom, and still in the dark with the actual complex mechanics.
bad solution to the problem, and it effects everyone who is leveling a charachter, new, or vet, skilled, or not skilled.
I’m going to paraphrase Colin on this topic. The decision to implement the New Player Experiment system came from tens of thousands of usability testers and interviews with players who tried Gw2 and left leading up to China launch both in NA/EU and in China. It came as a surprise to us but it was an important for us to acknowledge that a number of systems, downed included, were difficult to understand for many players.
For the downed, system we tried a downed tutorial, building downed into the level 1 tutorial and other ideas. After usability testing with numerous different groups, we found that the best rate of people learning and understanding it came from having it be layered complexity and the solution we went with above. Intuitively that wouldn’t have been my guess either initially, but we found people understood it better this way than all other options we tried.
This same level of testing led to the other changes as well. At the end of the day the biggest take away is that all of us (including a lot of people on the forums) probably know games (and Guild Wars 2) really really well. We have millions of users, and a tiny percentage of them frequent game forums. Just because all of us learned those systems well and thought it was all really easy doesn’t mean we are the norm.
I hope this helps everyone here understand that this was a decision to improve the game for many people. Thanks for your understanding
Were these tens of thousands of test users infants? Or monkeys?
hehehe you believe they actually had any tester? there was another post (I wish the search field worked for anything…) where they said they didn’t create a tutorial because it was too demanding but here they said they used one???? sooo smelly smell…. I’ll put on my tinfoil hat just in case. (TLDR: They are lying).
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
omg, This change won’t really affect us vet MMO gamers who have been playing MMOS for 10+ years. Most of us will fly through the levels so fast these changes won’t mater anyways. Those who are super new to MMOs or totally confused as to how GW2 works compared to a game like (sigh) WoW will have a more accessible game. This is no complaint I’m reading in the OP, this is pure elitism at it’s finest.
I disagree, in particular with the “more accessible game” part.
GW2 was my fist mmorpg.
The game did feel overwhelming during the first hour or so, BUT not because I had a skill bar! To me the quantity of skills was never a problem, and I remember that when my character was low level I wished I had more utilities unlocked, to make the fights more interesting and varied.
What made the game overwhelming was the huge amount of stuff not covered by the tutorial, stuff that I could figure out only thanks to the wiki.
This update “dumbs down” things that for me were never difficult to grasp, while not addressing the things that actually need a Google search.
So, to me, the game now is actually less accessible: not only it still lacks a good and complete tutorial (that was what it needed in the first place), now leveling is a worse experience too.
this is an excellent summary of my opinion as a new player to the game. ArenaNet have utterly missed the mark with these changes
Resident smug Englishman on the NA servers, just because.
This appears to be more of an effort to ‘kill key runs’ with the excuse of helping newbies (dumb ones that too)
Kind of overkill just to nerf key farming…I kinda like the changes, although I haven’t been able to play them yet, but they seem really good. My wife has been waiting for these kind of changes for awhile. It was kind of a turn off for her, just being thrown into the game and not having much of an idea of what to do.
they dont tell you what to do.
they havent added any tutorials
in fact you can not do personal story until level 10
all they have done is space out the things you gained and gated more abilities behind levels.
This appears to be more of an effort to ‘kill key runs’ with the excuse of helping newbies (dumb ones that too)
Kind of overkill just to nerf key farming…I kinda like the changes, although I haven’t been able to play them yet, but they seem really good. My wife has been waiting for these kind of changes for awhile. It was kind of a turn off for her, just being thrown into the game and not having much of an idea of what to do.
they dont tell you what to do.
they havent added any tutorials
in fact you can not do personal story until level 10
all they have done is space out the things you gained and gated more abilities behind levels.
Is this from playing experience or speculation reading the patch notes/blogs/forums?
“You know what the chain of command is?
It’s the chain I beat you with until you
recognize my command!”
omg, This change won’t really affect us vet MMO gamers who have been playing MMOS for 10+ years. Most of us will fly through the levels so fast these changes won’t mater anyways. Those who are super new to MMOs or totally confused as to how GW2 works compared to a game like (sigh) WoW will have a more accessible game. This is no complaint I’m reading in the OP, this is pure elitism at it’s finest.
I disagree, in particular with the “more accessible game” part.
GW2 was my fist mmorpg.
The game did feel overwhelming during the first hour or so, BUT not because I had a skill bar! To me the quantity of skills was never a problem, and I remember that when my character was low level I wished I had more utilities unlocked, to make the fights more interesting and varied.
What made the game overwhelming was the huge amount of stuff not covered by the tutorial, stuff that I could figure out only thanks to the wiki.
This update “dumbs down” things that for me were never difficult to grasp, while not addressing the things that actually need a Google search.
So, to me, the game now is actually less accessible: not only it still lacks a good and complete tutorial (that was what it needed in the first place), now leveling is a worse experience too.
this is an excellent summary of my opinion as a new player to the game. ArenaNet have utterly missed the mark with these changes
Anet thinks new players have a tough time understanding how to gather resources and the downed state but they have no reason to mention anything to new players about combo finishers, fields, etc… dat logic..
They seem to think that new players are not even able to do the equation of food + cow = fed cow. So now we dance for cows. SPORE style. And we rub corn, making it grow.
Well this pretty much has me at the end of my rope. The only fun I’ve had lately is rolling new characters and now there is no reason to even do this it has become absolutely brainless and not even remotely challenging. Nothing but another way to slow down the progress of players to try and keep them here longer, just how pathetically stupid do you think your player base is? Wow, I’m just blown away by how out of touch you people have become with your own player base, for shame!
Vini, Vidi, Vici, Viridis…I came, I saw, I conquered…I got a green??
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