at lvl 80 you will gain mastery points instead of skill points when you level up right?
Does that mean the people with 500+ tomes of knowledge (seen lots of those…) can just consume them all when HoT gets out and get 500 instant mastery points!?
at lvl 80 you will gain mastery points instead of skill points when you level up right?
Does that mean the people with 500+ tomes of knowledge (seen lots of those…) can just consume them all when HoT gets out and get 500 instant mastery points!?
I would assume something would be put in place to prevent this. Like a level cap so you can’t use them when you are at 80 or some other kind of wall to prevent it.
^Experience gained does not equal a Mastery Point. It may fulfill the XP bar to unlock the next Tier, but it does not grant the actual Mastery Point.
OT…I’ve not heard anything, at all, about ToK being removed. Nevertheless, it is probably best to wait for official announcements rather than trying to rely on rumor.
I don’t think it gives mastery points for just gaining a level. Mastery points are kind of zone specific, I think.
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at lvl 80 you will gain mastery points instead of skill points when you level up right?
Does that mean the people with 500+ tomes of knowledge (seen lots of those…) can just consume them all when HoT gets out and get 500 instant mastery points!?
As someone who played in the stress test, I can say that exp does not give mastery points. You spend a mastery point to unlock the ability to train the track with exp. I am not sure if tomes of knowledge would give exp towards the training of the mastery track, but I assume not.
^Experience gained does not equal a Mastery Point. It may fulfill the XP bar to unlock the next Tier, but it does not grant the actual Mastery Point.
OT…I’ve not heard anything, at all, about ToK being removed. Nevertheless, it is probably best to wait for official announcements rather than trying to rely on rumor.
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Yep. The way it worked in the demo/stress test was that you had to find Mastery Points, like you currently do with Skill Points in maps. The one I found during the stress test was like the Places of Power – you had to jump across to a little ledge and then there was a glowing ball that you could ‘channel’ to get a Mastery Point.
I read somewhere that you’d need XP equivalent to what currently gives you a Skill Point to unlock each tier of the mastery, but you’ll still need to earn the points.
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Anet has said they have not decided on what they are going to do with these yet.
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It was confirmed on one of the pax demos. Someone had used a tome of knowledge and it progressed the exp aspect of the mastery equivelent to the exp it gave.
You will not be able to spam tomes to unlock them though. You still have to find/earn mastery points before you can use tomes and writs to progress the exp aspect.
I would like to think anet thought these through before they started throwing tomes and writs at us… As someone with all lvl 80 classes these are just sitting in my bank waiting for a day they will be useful.
It was confirmed on one of the pax demos. Someone had used a tome of knowledge and it progressed the exp aspect of the mastery equivelent to the exp it gave.
You will not be able to spam tomes to unlock them though. You still have to find/earn mastery points before you can use tomes and writs to progress the exp aspect.
I would like to think anet thought these through before they started throwing tomes and writs at us… As someone with all lvl 80 classes these are just sitting in my bank waiting for a day they will be useful.
In addition, iirc, the guy said it only progressed his bar by about 1/5th so one tome won’t give as much exp as people are thinking.
Since they only train Masteries, not give Mastery points, people who use up all their tomes on a level 80 char thinking they will get that many Mastery points to use are going to be disappointed.
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I’ve seen people in PvP areas pinging one or two stacks of tomes. Two stacks at 1/5th a bar each could give 100 Mastery bar training levels. If they already have a bunch of mastery points on day one awarded from doing old content such as map completion or jumping puzzles, then with a little care, they could unlock Masteries, train and use the Mastery points they’ve been given to get well ahead of those without these tomes.
This is a fairly sizable advantage, if true, and makes me wonder of the Tomes should or would be deactivated for level 80s as it allows you to bypass a lot of the leveling needed to train the Masteries.
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removing them makes the savings a waste of time, i don’t want to get through the hell of getting to max level, removing them guaranties my dislike of Anet to turn in to hate.
and no, crafting isn’t fast at all, you first need to have the mats in the first place and getting gold is difficult enough so again no, buying mat’s isn’t a solution for this.
tomes are faster, doesn’t cost anything (well, maybe my hand for an hour) and doesn’t require anything other then the tomes.
Whats the point of having them as a reward if they are just going to deactivate them?
People earned them. Its not like you can’t go out and earn your own tomes.
I think it would be silly to have these in the game if arena net didnt want then to be used in this manner. I think they are well aware people have planned to do this and wouldn’t include them in rewards if they didn’t want people to use them.
Plus I think they are planning for people to use these in this manner. If you need certain mastery to progress events and kill certain enemies the community is going to need people to have high mastery to enable them to progress through the content.
I don’t think they will be deactivated, but a guildy also linked a new type of one that was labelled that works only on toons that not level 80. Will have to see how the distinction will work, but makes me believe that the old ones might play a role in the new masteries.
I don’t think they will be deactivated, but a guildy also linked a new type of one that was labelled that works only on toons that not level 80. Will have to see how the distinction will work, but makes me believe that the old ones might play a role in the new masteries.
I think you may actually be referring to an old type of tome:
You get 5 Tomes of Mentorship for completing the Victory or Death living story quest.
Considering that people may get a large number of mastery points on day one from old, previously done content and then use the tomes and those mastery points to fast forward through the mastery system instead of playing through the expansion, I’m beginning to wonder of that’s not a good idea for them not to work with the mastery system. (And I’m speaking as someone who has a fair number of them and is expecting to get a lot more by the time the expansion is released.
I doubt it’s a good idea for ANet to spend so much time making this expansion and have a sizable part of the players able to bypass an important part of it by clicking on tomes.
I’m expecting them to be nerfed in some way. Either unusable by level 80s or only give a small amount of exp to level 80 chars. (But still full exp to those chars below level 80 as no mastery system is available to them).
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Scrolls of knowledge will be removed afaik, not tomes.
False. The notes on the mastery system said that skill points from gaining levels will be removed, and Scrolls of Knowledge drops will come from more specific content, instead of champ farms.
There is no reason to believe that they will make the leveling tomes nonfunctional up through level 80.
My Revenant is already level 60, by the way.
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Stopping Tomes of knowledge from giving xp past 80 would go against the spirit of the spvp reward tracks unless there are other changes. They give tomes of knowledge in lieu of xp.
HoT is going to change the game in some fundamental ways. It would be foolish of ANet not to change relevant, existing mechanics to support those changes. In the past, ANet has been pretty good about giving us a lot of time to get ready for such disruptions.
There will be blog posts, Q&A sessions, Ready-ups and other types of media discussing the changes.
We will have time to decide what to use, what to hoard, and what to trash/sell.
tl;dr let’s burn that bridge when we get to it. Today is too soon to panic (or declare there’s nothing to panic about).
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I have 600+ ToK and just as many scrolls due to various sources in game, but I hope that they do not add to masteries. I want that to be content people need to play through to achieve else we will end up with people back saying, what that was it?
I don’t think they will be deactivated, but a guildy also linked a new type of one that was labelled that works only on toons that not level 80. Will have to see how the distinction will work, but makes me believe that the old ones might play a role in the new masteries.
I think you may actually be referring to an old type of tome:
You get 5 Tomes of Mentorship for completing the Victory or Death living story quest.
Thanks! That looks like it, I will have to check if they were doing any story instances. At the time we were all out in SilverWastes.
Stopping Tomes of knowledge from giving xp past 80 would go against the spirit of the spvp reward tracks unless there are other changes. They give tomes of knowledge in lieu of xp.
That isn’t a very difficult problem to solve.
You could have reward tracks that give “Tomes of Mastery” instead of “Tomes of Knowledge” instead or you could have the sPvP rewards that give out new types of “Tomes of Knowledge” that works with the mastery system(although in that case it should still have a different name) and have other content give out ones that do not.
Wait. Tomes of Knowledge also give PvP experience?
The added ToK to reward tracks because, originally, you used to be able to spend PvP XP on it from a vendor. It made playing PvP full time a viable way to level your character outside of the Mists if you wanted to.
To keep the same idea, they added it to the reward tracks, since they removed PvP XP and only use rank points or reward points or whatever it is now.
I’ve got my 60 ToKs ready for my Revenant all from PvP. All additionals go to alts.
I’ve got my 60 ToK ready for my Revenant also plus the others Ive saved up and will get. The thing I’ve been debating though is even if they make it 5 tomes to advance the bar one time, those 60 alone are 12 Mastery Bar advancements. If I save up all my tomes between now and expansion start and if I have mastery points from doing old content then I could presumably max out certain mastery lines on day one without having touched the new expansion content. At the very least, I could advance several lines partway to make everything easier at the start rather than playing the game to earn the new abilities.
It’s a consideration if the new expansion should be set up to allow people who have numerous tomes to get to “easy mode” on day one with mastery lines filled out.
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Wait. Tomes of Knowledge also give PvP experience?
The added ToK to reward tracks because, originally, you used to be able to spend PvP XP on it from a vendor. It made playing PvP full time a viable way to level your character outside of the Mists if you wanted to.
To keep the same idea, they added it to the reward tracks, since they removed PvP XP and only use rank points or reward points or whatever it is now.
I’ve got my 60 ToKs ready for my Revenant all from PvP. All additionals go to alts.
I think what some of you don’t realize is the mastery points you’ll get retroactively are only for old tyria not maguma so you’ll only be able to rush stuff like the old precursor track and fractles track, you’ll still start HOT with 0 MPs for the new area so tomes aren’t gonna make the new stuff easy mode.
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I think what some of you don’t realize is the mastery points you’ll get retroactively are only for old tyria not maguma so you’ll only be able to rush stuff like the old precursor track and fractles track, you’ll still start HOT with 0 MPs for the new area so tomes aren’t gonna make the new stuff easy mode.
That’s possible, but that’s not the information we have at this time. Currently it sounds like MPs are generic in earning them and they are applied to a Mastery track in the right region to make them specific.
Mastery points https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mastery#Mastery_points
“Mastery points are spent on selective Master tracks; they are earned from completing various goals within the game, but they may only be spent at level eighty. There are two sets of tracks; one for The Heart of Maguuma new regions from Heart of Thorns expansion, and a different set of Mastery tracks for all PvE zones currently available in the game today.”
Here it says that MPs are earned by doing content and they say that there are two sets of tracks but they don’t say that the MPs earned in one region can’t be spent in another.
If you have a quote saying that MPs are only good for the region they are earned in, I would like to see it.
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Right now, they give the same amount of exp required to get to the next level or skill point from a completely empty XP bar.
Basically, a Tome of Knowledge is a book with 20 pages, each page being a writ of experience.
So what they’ll probably do is making them give a certain amount of exp towards a mastery’s progression, but not the entire bar, either by adjusting the XP requirements of each mastery bar to be more tan what a skill point takes now, or by reducing the XP given by writs and tomes past level 80.
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It’s more or less the exact same as people grabbing the mastery points, and then filling them out by doing world bosses, current world map completion, or events that already exist.
I’d assume the whole idea of having it based on the universal currency of xp is so that you can gain progression playing how you want to. A tome of knowledge is simply a level worth of xp. You need to play the game to get the tomes in the first place.
I’m pretty sure they will make it impossible to gain exp by that. They confirmed that they will remove the skill points from level ups after 80 so I guess they simple make it impossible to use the tomes on level 80s.
I think what some of you don’t realize is the mastery points you’ll get retroactively are only for old tyria not maguma so you’ll only be able to rush stuff like the old precursor track and fractles track, you’ll still start HOT with 0 MPs for the new area so tomes aren’t gonna make the new stuff easy mode.
That’s possible, but that’s not the information we have at this time. Currently it sounds like MPs are generic in earning them and they are applied to a Mastery track in the right region to make them specific.
Mastery points https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mastery#Mastery_points
“Mastery points are spent on selective Master tracks; they are earned from completing various goals within the game, but they may only be spent at level eighty. There are two sets of tracks; one for The Heart of Maguuma new regions from Heart of Thorns expansion, and a different set of Mastery tracks for all PvE zones currently available in the game today.”
Here it says that MPs are earned by doing content and they say that there are two sets of tracks but they don’t say that the MPs earned in one region can’t be spent in another.
If you have a quote saying that MPs are only good for the region they are earned in, I would like to see it.
“Each Mastery track is tied to a region of Tyria—they must be unlocked with Mastery points gained in that region and can only be trained in that region.” That’s a direct quote from ANET’s blog post.
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I think what some of you don’t realize is the mastery points you’ll get retroactively are only for old tyria not maguma so you’ll only be able to rush stuff like the old precursor track and fractles track, you’ll still start HOT with 0 MPs for the new area so tomes aren’t gonna make the new stuff easy mode.
That’s possible, but that’s not the information we have at this time. Currently it sounds like MPs are generic in earning them and they are applied to a Mastery track in the right region to make them specific.
Mastery points https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mastery#Mastery_points
“Mastery points are spent on selective Master tracks; they are earned from completing various goals within the game, but they may only be spent at level eighty. There are two sets of tracks; one for The Heart of Maguuma new regions from Heart of Thorns expansion, and a different set of Mastery tracks for all PvE zones currently available in the game today.”
Here it says that MPs are earned by doing content and they say that there are two sets of tracks but they don’t say that the MPs earned in one region can’t be spent in another.
If you have a quote saying that MPs are only good for the region they are earned in, I would like to see it.
“Each Mastery track is tied to a region of Tyria—they must be unlocked with Mastery points gained in that region and can only be trained in that region.” That’s a direct quote from ANET’s blog post.
That’s good to know. It doesn’t alleviate all my concerns about ToK and the new content being easier by using tomes to train Masteries instead of playing the game but it’s nice to know people won’t be able to max out the Maguuma ones, just the Tyrian ones I guess.
It might be worth it to save up tomes to use on the Tyrian mastery lines with any points from the old content to max those as much as possible.
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I think what some of you don’t realize is the mastery points you’ll get retroactively are only for old tyria not maguma so you’ll only be able to rush stuff like the old precursor track and fractles track, you’ll still start HOT with 0 MPs for the new area so tomes aren’t gonna make the new stuff easy mode.
That’s possible, but that’s not the information we have at this time. Currently it sounds like MPs are generic in earning them and they are applied to a Mastery track in the right region to make them specific.
Mastery points https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mastery#Mastery_points
“Mastery points are spent on selective Master tracks; they are earned from completing various goals within the game, but they may only be spent at level eighty. There are two sets of tracks; one for The Heart of Maguuma new regions from Heart of Thorns expansion, and a different set of Mastery tracks for all PvE zones currently available in the game today.”
Here it says that MPs are earned by doing content and they say that there are two sets of tracks but they don’t say that the MPs earned in one region can’t be spent in another.
If you have a quote saying that MPs are only good for the region they are earned in, I would like to see it.
“Each Mastery track is tied to a region of Tyria—they must be unlocked with Mastery points gained in that region and can only be trained in that region.” That’s a direct quote from ANET’s blog post.
That’s good to know. It doesn’t alleviate all my concerns about ToK and the new content being easier by using tomes to train Masteries instead of playing the game but it’s nice to know people won’t be able to max out the Maguuma ones, just the Tyrian ones I guess.
I think I found a quote that confirms that ToK won’t be able to “level” masteries.
“Higher tiers in Mastery tracks require progressively more Mastery points and more experience to fully train.” -> “and more experience to fully train”
A ToK dosn’t give you a static EXP number. It gives you a LEVEL . As it says “Double-click to gain one character level. […]”
Well of course it gives you EXP however it doesn’t say “Double-click to gain experience.”.
To train a mastery line you need ‘experience’ NOT a ‘character level’.
I think what some of you don’t realize is the mastery points you’ll get retroactively are only for old tyria not maguma so you’ll only be able to rush stuff like the old precursor track and fractles track, you’ll still start HOT with 0 MPs for the new area so tomes aren’t gonna make the new stuff easy mode.
That’s possible, but that’s not the information we have at this time. Currently it sounds like MPs are generic in earning them and they are applied to a Mastery track in the right region to make them specific.
Mastery points https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mastery#Mastery_points
“Mastery points are spent on selective Master tracks; they are earned from completing various goals within the game, but they may only be spent at level eighty. There are two sets of tracks; one for The Heart of Maguuma new regions from Heart of Thorns expansion, and a different set of Mastery tracks for all PvE zones currently available in the game today.”
Here it says that MPs are earned by doing content and they say that there are two sets of tracks but they don’t say that the MPs earned in one region can’t be spent in another.
If you have a quote saying that MPs are only good for the region they are earned in, I would like to see it.
“Each Mastery track is tied to a region of Tyria—they must be unlocked with Mastery points gained in that region and can only be trained in that region.” That’s a direct quote from ANET’s blog post.
That’s good to know. It doesn’t alleviate all my concerns about ToK and the new content being easier by using tomes to train Masteries instead of playing the game but it’s nice to know people won’t be able to max out the Maguuma ones, just the Tyrian ones I guess.
I think I found a quote that confirms that ToK won’t be able to “level” masteries.
“Higher tiers in Mastery tracks require progressively more Mastery points and more experience to fully train.” -> “and more experience to fully train”
A ToK dosn’t give you a static EXP number. It gives you a LEVEL . As it says “Double-click to gain one character level. […]”
Well of course it gives you EXP however it doesn’t say “Double-click to gain experience.”.
To train a mastery line you need ‘experience’ NOT a ‘character level’.
That’s an interesting thought. It’s sort of nitpicking as the only way to level is by gaining exp, but it’s possibly correct and certainly worth thinking about.
Currently both the writs and the ToK are a % of the experience bar with a writ being 5% and a tome 100%. They did say the experience bar will be replaced with a Mastery bar and exp gained will be used to train (increase) the Mastery bar towards the next time you can use a MP. Since the tomes don’t have a set amount of exp then maybe they won’t advance the Mastery bar the way they do an experience bar.
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I think what some of you don’t realize is the mastery points you’ll get retroactively are only for old tyria not maguma so you’ll only be able to rush stuff like the old precursor track and fractles track, you’ll still start HOT with 0 MPs for the new area so tomes aren’t gonna make the new stuff easy mode.
That’s possible, but that’s not the information we have at this time. Currently it sounds like MPs are generic in earning them and they are applied to a Mastery track in the right region to make them specific.
Mastery points https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mastery#Mastery_points
“Mastery points are spent on selective Master tracks; they are earned from completing various goals within the game, but they may only be spent at level eighty. There are two sets of tracks; one for The Heart of Maguuma new regions from Heart of Thorns expansion, and a different set of Mastery tracks for all PvE zones currently available in the game today.”
Here it says that MPs are earned by doing content and they say that there are two sets of tracks but they don’t say that the MPs earned in one region can’t be spent in another.
If you have a quote saying that MPs are only good for the region they are earned in, I would like to see it.
“Each Mastery track is tied to a region of Tyria—they must be unlocked with Mastery points gained in that region and can only be trained in that region.” That’s a direct quote from ANET’s blog post.
That’s good to know. It doesn’t alleviate all my concerns about ToK and the new content being easier by using tomes to train Masteries instead of playing the game but it’s nice to know people won’t be able to max out the Maguuma ones, just the Tyrian ones I guess.
I think I found a quote that confirms that ToK won’t be able to “level” masteries.
“Higher tiers in Mastery tracks require progressively more Mastery points and more experience to fully train.” -> “and more experience to fully train”
A ToK dosn’t give you a static EXP number. It gives you a LEVEL . As it says “Double-click to gain one character level. […]”
Well of course it gives you EXP however it doesn’t say “Double-click to gain experience.”.
To train a mastery line you need ‘experience’ NOT a ‘character level’.
That’s an interesting thought. It’s sort of nitpicking as the only way to level is by gaining exp, but it’s possibly correct and certainly worth thinking about.
Currently both the writs and the ToK are a % of the experience bar with a writ being 5% and a tome 100%. They did say the experience bar will be replaced with a Mastery bar and exp gained will be used to train (increase) the Mastery bar towards the next time you can use a MP. Since the tomes don’t have a set amount of exp then maybe they won’t advance the Mastery bar the way they do an experience bar.
Also, they said they will remove the skill points for level ups after 80. I guess it’s because well… you can’t “level up” anymore after reaching 80.
You probably won’t be able to use a ToK anymore with level 80.
