Guild Wars 2

I will always question why ArenaNet ties achievements and other things to a Meta events being failed. I say this logic is the blame for most toxic folks.

Neural.1824:

OP reports that he was told to kill himself, and we have at least two other users saying he should shut up and play another game or quit. Such a lovely community.

Nothing new. I have been told to kill myself, and had them threaten to cut my throat.
There are many toxic aspects of the game and as far as I can see it does no good to complain or report as nothing is done and no one cares. The devs have even added more events with the same fail issues recently so sadly the many years of complaints have obviously fallen on deaf ears.

Cynz.9437:

They don’t handle them based on my experience so far, the reports just land directly in the bin.

Though I can respect the no name and shame policy, I do wish they would post weekly ban metrics so that people might actually believe that the report feature has an active function. Only problem with reporting and blocking is it gives you a false sense that the issue was addressed since you can’t see their text any longer.

Drecien.4508:

It’s not just the leather farm. It’s the winterberries, the spots in orr, drytop, wherever it’s being done. Maybe you didn’t understand what I meant. Turn of the players auto attack feature altogether. No one uses it. To set up another skill to fire off every time its off cool down is not useful in the slightest. Because in all reality you still spam #1, so its not being used anyway. Pets and other things that auto attack are fine the way they are. It’s the player abusing the auto attack that is keeping the system from logging them out. no matter how you spin it.

Not sure this would solve it. The turrets and pets are probably a bigger issue since they will attack targets in range on their own. For an AFK farmer it wouldn’t be an issue to marco on their own system to repeat 1 on a timer. Appreciate the concept but I think this would impact more legit players than AFK farmers. Can’t offer alternatives here since other options are also more impact-full on active players.

Ngeluz.4860:

Anyway, seriously speaking here, when this happens just submit a ticket, if you can Print screen or record what’s happening it will help GM in the game a great deal when examining your submission. Verbal abuse IS a violation of the terms of use of the game.

TheOrlyFactor.8341:

Does reporting even work? It sure as heck doesn’t feel like it on my end. :\

Faaris.8013:

But reporting won’t change the fact that there is an incentive to fail the event and doesn’t solve the problem.

Which is why, if you re-read my first post (the one to which you originally replied), I pointed out that ANet can only adjust things when they are aware that there’s an issue. They don’t intentionally create events to make them more rewarding if they fail, it’s an accident of rewards & respawn rates & drop rates and clever players trying to figure out how to get loot more quickly.

They have changed many, many events to prevent exactly this sort of thing, including many in Orr and more than one substantial rework of the Coiled Watch chain in Frostgorge.

Faaris.8013:

The number of people who are effected doesn’t really matter.

Of course it matters. If only one person out of 500,000 is affected, then it’s not as urgent as if 499,000 are affected. The amount of resources is substantive, to rework events so that failure is no more rewarding than success — it shouldn’t be done lightly.

Faaris.8013:

If only a few people cannot do an event because someone or a group actively hinders him/her, that’s a problem. Ignoring it because it doesn’t affect a majority of players would give the message that ArenaNet doesn’t care about you.

Of course ANet doesn’t care about any single person, as much as they might like to care about each of us — their job is to sell games. Their hope is that everyone is happy playing their games. But they know (and really, I assume you probably know this, too) that there will always be issues, that they can’t get to all of them (let alone immediately to any particular one). They’d like to; they just won’t be able to.

I agree that this should be fixed. My point is that it’s not urgent — that’s not the same as saying it’s not an issue.

Faaris.8013:

This is not really a thing where you can convincingly take the side of the zerg. Zaithan’s minions are trying to take the fortress, the heroes are supposed to fight them back. That is how the developers intended the event, there’s no room for interpretation.

I’m not taking the side of the zerg and there’s nothing on what I’ve typed that suggests otherwise. I’m taking no one’s side at all — I agree with you that it’s bad for failing events to be more rewarding than successful ones, I agree that they should be adjusted, I agree that people shouldn’t be rude or hateful, I agree that ANet should act upon reports like the OP’s.

The only point for which you & I disagree is the urgency. That’s it.

Faaris.8013:

The right thing to do for the zerg would be to just miss a cycle and let people do the event. That OP let the zerg go about their business and only started killing the boss when they were done is a courtesy that I would expect from the zerglings.

I don’t think there’s a moral argument we can make. It’s hard to get an entire crowd to agree on a plan — someone in the zerg might think they need the loot as bad as the OP thought that they should experience the event cycle succeeding (or to get a component for a legendary).

Sure, in general, I’d like it if people were universally helpful and cooperative, but do you really think any of us or ANet can’t force that upon anyone? Some people think (and have said as much) that the right thing for rich people to do would be to spend less on shinies, so that they are also affordable for the poorer in the game — that’s a similar level of cooperation.

tl;dr some people behaved abominably toward the OP and I think the OP should report them (& I hope that ANet can identify them and take appropriate action). I think it’s a bad thing that some event/event chains are more rewarding if they fail and I think ANet should fix them.

I just don’t think it’s as urgent as some people suggest. I think there are other issues in the game that are more important (and some that aren’t as important but are much easier to fix/change).

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

tl;dr some people behaved abominably toward the OP and I think the OP should report them (& I hope that ANet can identify them and take appropriate action). I think it’s a bad thing that some event/event chains are more rewarding if they fail and I think ANet should fix them.

I just don’t think it’s as urgent as some people suggest. I think there are other issues in the game that are more important (and some that aren’t as important but are much easier to fix/change).

This^

Anet will fix things when time warrants it. Once upon a time there was a Frostgorge Champ Train and many players practically lived up there.

I saw people get harassed there like the OP was when they killed one of the champs “out of order”. Eventually Anet fixed it for both the economy and the harsh social climate.

Anet does take player griefing seriously, but as IWN said, smaller individual occurrences may not be a top priority, but they usually do address them.

Faaris.8013:

There are usually a few players who are not part of the zerg who try to succeed in the event. The zerg will than move close to, let’s say, the outer side of a wall. The idea is to be close enough to scale up the boss, but don’t get aggro. This way, the boss will usually be too strong for the few who try to kill him.

I like when the zerg does that. It scales up, but the Champs can’t kill me so it prolongs the fight. Now the a zerg is wasting all its time watching me end the event eventually. Worked well in Queensdale back in the day too.

Yes, the best battle against toxicity is to not give a spit what they say and go do what you want to do.

(Note; the following is opinion and speculation based on information that is likely a year or more old. It is entirely possible that Arenanet has made changes to their policies since that time.)
I think it was early 2016 when there was a thread that showed up on Reddit posted by a user who spent some time (months) TRYING to get banned for verbal abuse. What he reported on his actions and the amount of time it went on was really sad. Eventually a dev made a comment attempting to reason away the problem, and promised that the people in charge of going over reports would be talked to.
Among the statements by Anet in the thread, it’s clear that, at least at that time, that what constitutes “verbal abuse” is not governed by any set rule, but instead completely up to the individual reading the abuse reports. Thus, if someone is reported for telling a player to take their own life, and the person reading the report thinks it’s funny, they have the ability to just mark it as “reviewed” and move on.
Much as I clash swords with them here, I think Anet should experiment for a bit and unleash the forum mods on the game.

Neural.1824:

(Note; the following is opinion and speculation based on information that is likely a year or more old. It is entirely possible that Arenanet has made changes to their policies since that time.)
I think it was early 2016 when there was a thread that showed up on Reddit posted by a user who spent some time (months) TRYING to get banned for verbal abuse. What he reported on his actions and the amount of time it went on was really sad. Eventually a dev made a comment attempting to reason away the problem, and promised that the people in charge of going over reports would be talked to.
Among the statements by Anet in the thread, it’s clear that, at least at that time, that what constitutes “verbal abuse” is not governed by any set rule, but instead completely up to the individual reading the abuse reports. Thus, if someone is reported for telling a player to take their own life, and the person reading the report thinks it’s funny, they have the ability to just mark it as “reviewed” and move on.
Much as I clash swords with them here, I think Anet should experiment for a bit and unleash the forum mods on the game.

If they put the forum mods in charge of game bans, GW2 would be wasteland within hours.

The game should never punish you for actually playing it. This has been a long problem in orr.

I think the bags should stop dropping after a certain point. But in exchange there should be another chance to loot (maybe a looping event)

I think he meant the “autocast” feature. Which is not something many people use, but is utilized for someone sitting there autocasting the same spell. The autocast feature can go. I don’t see any tactical use for it, but to leave your computer unattended.

Sinmir.6504:

Drecien.4508:

So today I logged into Lake Doric map and saw a commander, so I thought, “hey I need some leather so ill join the farm”…. I was not impressed to say the least. There were at least 40 Engineers there with hundreds of turrets just sitting. This has got to end.

You decided you needed leather and that you would join the farm… Then got annoyed that another 40 engineers were doing it.

No I decided to run the farm as it was intended and actually play the game. Plus I don’t run a turret build its doesn’t suit my play style.

Shazmataz.1423:

Alin.2468:

There are people who like adventure, action, complexity, teamwork… and sometimes there are people who simply like to farm and grind (alone or in a team).

An MMO game should address all types of players, for different moods a player could have, and player can feel happy in different paths of entertainment.

In my opinion grinding and farming is an important part of an MMO. This still reminds me of the good old days in WoW.

^ This! Very well said.

There are a few loud people complaining about the engi farm and passing judgement on what other people are content to do with their game time.
Now it seems to have gained notice https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/6ec2az/chris_clearly_engi_leather_farmbots_working_on_it/

^ This right here. Thank you for posting that. Now we have Anets attention.

Another suggestion: only let skill #1 be auto cast. Yes the guardians with a loot stick will try to abuse it, but the damage is so low it would take longer than it would be worth it.
Auto casting any other skill is not viable in the game, you have ground targeting, shouts, and other skills that need to only be cast when you need them, not when they are off cooldown. You’d certainly not run around with your heal skill popping off whenever its available would you?

mtpelion.4562:

Neural.1824:

(Note; the following is opinion and speculation based on information that is likely a year or more old. It is entirely possible that Arenanet has made changes to their policies since that time.)
I think it was early 2016 when there was a thread that showed up on Reddit posted by a user who spent some time (months) TRYING to get banned for verbal abuse. What he reported on his actions and the amount of time it went on was really sad. Eventually a dev made a comment attempting to reason away the problem, and promised that the people in charge of going over reports would be talked to.
Among the statements by Anet in the thread, it’s clear that, at least at that time, that what constitutes “verbal abuse” is not governed by any set rule, but instead completely up to the individual reading the abuse reports. Thus, if someone is reported for telling a player to take their own life, and the person reading the report thinks it’s funny, they have the ability to just mark it as “reviewed” and move on.
Much as I clash swords with them here, I think Anet should experiment for a bit and unleash the forum mods on the game.

If they put the forum mods in charge of game bans, GW2 would be wasteland within hours.

I, for one, would welcome our new wasteland overlords.

mtpelion.4562:

Neural.1824:

(Note; the following is opinion and speculation based on information that is likely a year or more old. It is entirely possible that Arenanet has made changes to their policies since that time.)
I think it was early 2016 when there was a thread that showed up on Reddit posted by a user who spent some time (months) TRYING to get banned for verbal abuse. What he reported on his actions and the amount of time it went on was really sad. Eventually a dev made a comment attempting to reason away the problem, and promised that the people in charge of going over reports would be talked to.
Among the statements by Anet in the thread, it’s clear that, at least at that time, that what constitutes “verbal abuse” is not governed by any set rule, but instead completely up to the individual reading the abuse reports. Thus, if someone is reported for telling a player to take their own life, and the person reading the report thinks it’s funny, they have the ability to just mark it as “reviewed” and move on.
Much as I clash swords with them here, I think Anet should experiment for a bit and unleash the forum mods on the game.

If they put the forum mods in charge of game bans, GW2 would be wasteland within hours.

So are you categorically stating that the majority of Guild Wars 2 players are incapable of acting in a civilized manner?

IvarEriksson.2498:

Anyone in favour of renaming Cursed shore “Toxic Shore”?

^ I like this idea :P

Yeah I think it’s wrong that, should you succeed an event (heaven forbid!), you get abusive messages from other players. There should be some sort of way to make both parties happy so there isn’t any toxicity aimed towards those who want to actually complete the events.

Have you ever tried to autocast a turret?
You will destroy it.

Drecien.4508:

Shazmataz.1423:

Alin.2468:

There are people who like adventure, action, complexity, teamwork… and sometimes there are people who simply like to farm and grind (alone or in a team).

An MMO game should address all types of players, for different moods a player could have, and player can feel happy in different paths of entertainment.

In my opinion grinding and farming is an important part of an MMO. This still reminds me of the good old days in WoW.

^ This! Very well said.

There are a few loud people complaining about the engi farm and passing judgement on what other people are content to do with their game time.
Now it seems to have gained notice https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/6ec2az/chris_clearly_engi_leather_farmbots_working_on_it/

^ This right here. Thank you for posting that. Now we have Anets attention.

This has always had ANet’s attention. They just don’t bother to respond to every single thread, to repeat the same things they said before.

Neural.1824:

mtpelion.4562:

Neural.1824:

(Note; the following is opinion and speculation based on information that is likely a year or more old. It is entirely possible that Arenanet has made changes to their policies since that time.)
I think it was early 2016 when there was a thread that showed up on Reddit posted by a user who spent some time (months) TRYING to get banned for verbal abuse. What he reported on his actions and the amount of time it went on was really sad. Eventually a dev made a comment attempting to reason away the problem, and promised that the people in charge of going over reports would be talked to.
Among the statements by Anet in the thread, it’s clear that, at least at that time, that what constitutes “verbal abuse” is not governed by any set rule, but instead completely up to the individual reading the abuse reports. Thus, if someone is reported for telling a player to take their own life, and the person reading the report thinks it’s funny, they have the ability to just mark it as “reviewed” and move on.
Much as I clash swords with them here, I think Anet should experiment for a bit and unleash the forum mods on the game.

If they put the forum mods in charge of game bans, GW2 would be wasteland within hours.

So are you categorically stating that the majority of Guild Wars 2 players are incapable of acting in a civilized manner?

Lets just say that % of players who will get infracted if forum mods moderated the game chat would be at least equal to the % of posters who have gotten infracted on the forums

Went to kill some horsemen and was greeted with this. Seriously, this is plain smh status.
http://imgur.com/pINjlaw.jpg

Depends. It is after all, a map with areas designed expressly for farming. If the people are not afk then they are playing the game (and bringing down the prices of the mats they’re farming).

And how does that stop you from killing centaurs? Start your own party and run up the hill. Duh.

Gotta love it when people complain about things they do not even know how they freaking work… Engineers. cannot. be. afk. because. the. turrets. get. destroyed. in. 5. minutes. Also, if a GM comes around and they don’t answer the whispers, they get temp. banned. This is not an afk farm. Next time learn more about the situation before you open your mouth!

Lol Mea is trying to protect her/his farm.

This feels like an even lazier version of AB Multiloot. With exactly the same responses from the community. People either being silly and trying to justify the farm or asking for others to get punished for very little reason.
ArenaNet will most likely find away to limit this even if they won’t consider it to be illegal by a technical definition. They have already reworked quite a few features in the past which turned into a “farm” they didn’t like.

Sinmir.6504:

Drecien.4508:

So today I logged into Lake Doric map and saw a commander, so I thought, “hey I need some leather so ill join the farm”…. I was not impressed to say the least. There were at least 40 Engineers there with hundreds of turrets just sitting. This has got to end.

You decided you needed leather and that you would join the farm… Then got annoyed that another 40 engineers were doing it.

OP likely was annoyed because the engi crowd doesn’t run up and down alongside the path to the top, like any good zerg should.
Bad engis, they should have made it easier on OP to farm. That was their civic duty.

Henry.5713:

They have already reworked quite a few features in the past which turned into a “farm” they didn’t like.

Except this place didn’t “turn” into a farm. It was designed to be one. It was completely intentional on Anet’s part.

Nocturnal Lunacy.8563:

Went to kill some horsemen and was greeted with this. Seriously, this is plain smh status.
http://imgur.com/pINjlaw.jpg

People using the map as it was designed is a bad thing now? They specifically advertised this part of it.

Meh bad leather balance design covered up with bad farming location design with players totally exploiting the bad design claiming its not bad because they just following said design.

Well in my opinion anyway.

Nocturnal Lunacy.8563:

Lol Mea is trying to protect her/his farm.

Not really, I know it has Anet’s attention and it will be nerfed anyway. I only did Engi farm for about 2 weeks when people first came up with the idea but I stopped after that because my gold/hour got halved (too many people farming) and I’m not busy with exams anymore so I can play the game “normally”.

However, I never once went afk. I was studying right in front of the screen and kept an eye on my turrets all the time… But when I went to eat or do something I actually logged off. I even went to char select screen during my bathroom breaks!

It just makes me mad when people are so ignorant, they don’t understand that Engi farm cannot be afk’d because of the reasons I mentioned in my previous post.

Anet designed area as a farm. People use it as a farm. Other people don’t like the way the farmers are farming, complain to Anet about farmers using a spot Anet designed to be used by farmers.

Well, one is free to criticize the design. People shouting that they designed it that way are missing the point that that is exactly the problem. :p

Mea.5491:

Gotta love it when people complain about things they do not even know how they freaking work… Engineers. cannot. be. afk. because. the. turrets. get. destroyed. in. 5. minutes. Also, if a GM comes around and they don’t answer the whispers, they get temp. banned. This is not an afk farm. Next time learn more about the situation before you open your mouth!

Ummm… what!? So, what do you use for a keyboard and mouse? Pets classes like the engi/ranger/necro could be easily used since you can simply set the abilities to respawn after a delay with any current gaming mouse/keyboard. Not saying people are afk farming or not but your assumption that no one is and its impossible are right out if have every used any gaming peripherals.

TheGrimm.5624:

Mea.5491:

Gotta love it when people complain about things they do not even know how they freaking work… Engineers. cannot. be. afk. because. the. turrets. get. destroyed. in. 5. minutes. Also, if a GM comes around and they don’t answer the whispers, they get temp. banned. This is not an afk farm. Next time learn more about the situation before you open your mouth!

Ummm… what!? So, what do you use for a keyboard and mouse? Pets classes like the engi/ranger/necro could be easily used since you can simply set the abilities to respawn after a delay with any current gaming mouse/keyboard. Not saying people are afk farming or not but your assumption that no one is and its impossible are right out if have every used any gaming peripherals.

You can only have one ability on auto at a time. Turrets are placed at specific locations, and not on top of the player, which means that the character would have to move to each location.

The only way to be truly AFK, and to do the farm effectively, would be if you were botting.

TheGrimm.5624:

Mea.5491:

Gotta love it when people complain about things they do not even know how they freaking work… Engineers. cannot. be. afk. because. the. turrets. get. destroyed. in. 5. minutes. Also, if a GM comes around and they don’t answer the whispers, they get temp. banned. This is not an afk farm. Next time learn more about the situation before you open your mouth!

Ummm… what!? So, what do you use for a keyboard and mouse? Pets classes like the engi/ranger/necro could be easily used since you can simply set the abilities to respawn after a delay with any current gaming mouse/keyboard. Not saying people are afk farming or not but your assumption that no one is and its impossible are right out if have every used any gaming peripherals.

Just go roll an engineer and play one for a bit. You are making assumptions that you wouldn’t make if you were familiar with the class. Example – you only can autocast 1 turret, and they are ground targeted.

I enjoy my Engi, but I fear this is going to just lead to a turret nerf in the end.

“Turret’s now have a 10 foot range before self-destructing”.

It is ironic, the original issue was that leather was trash loot. Its good that items in game have value, we need more of that. Its the flip-flop and overcompensation that’s the issue here. Remember when silk had value, its now closing in on trash loot like leather was. Player’s reacting and chasing that leads to off-hand reactions and things like this. There is no good answer, farming drives down prices which is good when you have to buy, but then you are left with trash loot, and be real loot is the shiny carrot that people chase. So when drops and sinks are out of balance we end up here. I still wonder if NPC vendor prices for goods should be moved up, more coin added to loot drops and less items dropped would impact it. Not sure, but there is nothing worse then looking at a full bag and releasing its all trash.

Would love to see the metrics but betting that less than 5% of players at level max level use any green or blue gear. In an ideal sense would love to see more random variations in dropped lot that would bring the more rare drops in a line that it might contend with crafted gear. I am happy that crafted gear has serious value, but to be in balance there should also be drops from mobs that compete in that market as well, which outside of precursors we do not have.

Either way that pic did say a lot however you take it.

Moonyeti.3296:

TheGrimm.5624:

Mea.5491:

Gotta love it when people complain about things they do not even know how they freaking work… Engineers. cannot. be. afk. because. the. turrets. get. destroyed. in. 5. minutes. Also, if a GM comes around and they don’t answer the whispers, they get temp. banned. This is not an afk farm. Next time learn more about the situation before you open your mouth!

Ummm… what!? So, what do you use for a keyboard and mouse? Pets classes like the engi/ranger/necro could be easily used since you can simply set the abilities to respawn after a delay with any current gaming mouse/keyboard. Not saying people are afk farming or not but your assumption that no one is and its impossible are right out if have every used any gaming peripherals.

Just go roll an engineer and play one for a bit. You are making assumptions that you wouldn’t make if you were familiar with the class. Example – you only can autocast 1 turret, and they are ground targeted.

Have 2 of them at max level. First class I played to max level with full map completion. 2 Legendaries with that class.

Can ppl auto cast turrets? Also, that farm isnt about the leather as leather is supidly low even in this farm it about the bags that drop. Funny thing is its one of the low reward farms so idk why are ppl crying about it its not like this farm will outprofit you if you do anything else. So i ask again why are you mad with this? This actually works great if you want to do something else during that time like clean cook read etc as the turets need to be refreshed every 5 mins.

Moonyeti.3296:

TheGrimm.5624:

Mea.5491:

Gotta love it when people complain about things they do not even know how they freaking work… Engineers. cannot. be. afk. because. the. turrets. get. destroyed. in. 5. minutes. Also, if a GM comes around and they don’t answer the whispers, they get temp. banned. This is not an afk farm. Next time learn more about the situation before you open your mouth!

Ummm… what!? So, what do you use for a keyboard and mouse? Pets classes like the engi/ranger/necro could be easily used since you can simply set the abilities to respawn after a delay with any current gaming mouse/keyboard. Not saying people are afk farming or not but your assumption that no one is and its impossible are right out if have every used any gaming peripherals.

Just go roll an engineer and play one for a bit. You are making assumptions that you wouldn’t make if you were familiar with the class. Example – you only can autocast 1 turret, and they are ground targeted.

Sorry know gamer’s that easily marco’ed movement and placement skills, might not agree with them and were kittened at them for it, but denying they did it wasn’t going to change they did.

Drecien.4508:

Turn of the players auto cast feature altogether. No one uses it.

Oh look at me. I don’t use auto attack, which means no one does. Anet pls do everything I say. I am the playerbase.

zealex.9410:

Can ppl auto cast turrets? Also, that farm isnt about the leather as leather is supidly low even in this farm it about the bags that drop. Funny thing is its one of the low reward farms so idk why are ppl crying about it its not like this farm will outprofit you if you do anything else. So i ask again why are you mad with this? This actually works great if you want to do something else during that time like clean cook read etc as the turets need to be refreshed every 5 mins.

Ironically, don’t care so much about it, assumptions are a different issue. That said, are you in favor of people that spam you to sell you gold? Un-attended play is one way that gold-sellers make that money which leads to the ingame spam. Also the more people farm the less items have value and not a fan of trash loot.

Don’t have an issue with farmers in general if they are having fun, but un-attended play leads the devs to things like diminishing returns and people failing events and then being hostile to players doing the events to completion. Don’t get me wrong, appreciate the value of game time, will play 2 or more different games at the same time if they have built in delays that make you wait for something, but you did ask why people post I can see both sides.

DirtyDan.4759:

Drecien.4508:

Turn of the players auto cast feature altogether. No one uses it.

Oh look at me. I don’t use auto attack, which means no one does. Anet pls do everything I say. I am the playerbase.

I think GW2 has already cost me 3 gaming mice from the existing in game clicks. Wonder if they own shares in Razor or Logitech.

If you’re only direct interaction with the game is to re-deploy turrets once every 5 minutes then you are AFK farming. The fact that this method requires periodic maintenance once every 5 minutes doesn’t change that. Neither does the fact that you can see the screen while the game client auto-farms loot for you.

TheGrimm.5624:

Moonyeti.3296:

TheGrimm.5624:

Mea.5491:

Gotta love it when people complain about things they do not even know how they freaking work… Engineers. cannot. be. afk. because. the. turrets. get. destroyed. in. 5. minutes. Also, if a GM comes around and they don’t answer the whispers, they get temp. banned. This is not an afk farm. Next time learn more about the situation before you open your mouth!

Ummm… what!? So, what do you use for a keyboard and mouse? Pets classes like the engi/ranger/necro could be easily used since you can simply set the abilities to respawn after a delay with any current gaming mouse/keyboard. Not saying people are afk farming or not but your assumption that no one is and its impossible are right out if have every used any gaming peripherals.

Just go roll an engineer and play one for a bit. You are making assumptions that you wouldn’t make if you were familiar with the class. Example – you only can autocast 1 turret, and they are ground targeted.

Sorry know gamer’s that easily marco’ed movement and placement skills, might not agree with them and were kittened at them for it, but denying they did it wasn’t going to change they did.

Sure, I agree with that. That is nothing specific to engineers at all. Anyone can abuse the game with macros. It is against the official rules but that won’t stop people. Necros and rangers can abuse macros with pets and minions. An engineer can not abuse macros nearly as much as those two. The way to fix this farm issue isn’t to nerf engi’s yet again, Anet should fix the leather economy at the source. But since they decided this was their official fix, I don’t see singling out a particular class for taking part in it as fixing the issue.

the tl;dr of what I am saying is that engineers aren’t the problem, Anets official farm as the solution to the leather problem is.

TheGrimm.5624:

Ummm… what!? So, what do you use for a keyboard and mouse? Pets classes like the engi/ranger/necro could be easily used since you can simply set the abilities to respawn after a delay with any current gaming mouse/keyboard. Not saying people are afk farming or not but your assumption that no one is and its impossible are right out if have every used any gaming peripherals.

I don’t use “gaming” stuff. I use a cheap mouse with 2 buttons and a cheap keyboard. And I’m pretty sure the casuals and poor students who do this farm are in the same boat! I’ve been playing MMOs for 13 years, never once used a macro or any kind of cheating program. I didn’t know it was possible to set “recast” on 3 turrets and even run to the turrets’ location – legally, with your precious gaming stuff, because I don’t use them. But it definitely sounds like you’ve never been to an Engi farm because you would know that most people actually stay around and chat. In fact, we once saw bots among us and we reported them.

Moonyeti.3296:

the tl;dr of what I am saying is that engineers aren’t the problem, Anets official farm as the solution to the leather problem is.

Agree its not an engi thing. Would love to see their numbers on units in existence, but not sure why they haven’t adjusted the recipes or allowed raw scarps to drop from animal NPC kills. Oh ello pocket raptor you will make some nice gloves.

Mea.5491:

But it definitely sounds like you’ve never been to an Engi farm because you would know that most people actually stay around and chat. In fact, we once saw bots among us and we reported them.

No I rarely farm, and not saying people aren’t active, but have run into enough bots in this game and others that can’t deny that people do either. Again not opposed to people actively playing, not a fan of un-attended plays or bots. Same goes for people afking events, they do impact others by filling maps or scaling events that others are actively playing.

TheGrimm.5624:

have run into enough bots in this game and others that can’t deny that people do either.

I suspect that there aren’t nearly as many bots as people think there are. I’ve certainly seen them, I just don’t think they are ubiquitous.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

TheGrimm.5624:

have run into enough bots in this game and others that can’t deny that people do either.

I suspect that there aren’t nearly as many bots as people think there are. I’ve certainly seen them, I just don’t think they are ubiquitous.

GW2 is no where near as bad as ESO to be sure. But can’t agree with people saying there isn’t anyway to do it. I knew there was some on the trading posts but when watching how they work on youtube, its kind of crazy. And this game doesn’t support Add-ons, would probably be worse.