Guild Wars 2

For a long time I’ve been tracking Guild Wars 2’s status on Xfire, Raptr and Overwolf. I feel this provides a better idea of how many people are playing and logging into the game than some guys on the forums presenting annecdotal data about their friends list or guilds.

This month Guild Wars 2 dropped to #13 in Raptr and went up to #6 in Overwolf. At Xfire Guild Wars 2 is currently #12, but that changes much more frequently than once a month. Yesterday it was #13 for example.

It’s been hovering around these numbers for a long time now.

I fully expect Guild Wars 2 to go up in October due to Halloween and then again in November due to the return of the Living Story.

Relevant links:

http://www.newzoo.com/free/rankings/top-20-core-pc-games/
http://social.xfire.com/games
http://caas.raptr.com/most-played-pc-games-september-2014-back-to-school-slump-edition/

Is there other things or places you could post that report, that are as subjective as possible, on the health of Guild Wars 2…

^^ Why would you want more subjective reports? People post those all the time here.

I remember GW2 used to drift somewhere between no.3 and 5 on Xfire, right after WoW back in a day. More than a year ago now. Both games used to have times more players back then (on xfire that is), WoW having twice as much as GW2.

I don’t use any of those things.

People still use those?

So, according to X-Fire, GW2 has 366 players?

It’s just people who use Xfire and play GW2.

overwolf and anet entered a partnership recently, gw2 officially promoted their add ons.

Not to jump to any conclusions or w/e, but what i noticed recently. For the past ~month, maybe more, LA chat is practically dead, no matter what time of day, no conversations at all, that’s the first time i see this in GW2 and i’am playing since beta. Now with Halloween there are some, but can’t be even nearly compared to how it used to be during past Halloweens. ~20 ppl doing Mad King says… used to be crowded. If it’s any indicator of decline in playerbase, then it could be because of:

1. General discontent after 9/9 patch and long break between LS seasons.
2. Archeage release. I know for a fact that many big guilds left for AA, as guilds.
3. Pre WoD patch release in WoW.

People who left were practically ready to leave for some time now and were just waiting for a good reason. Let’s see what happens on episode 2 release with Wintersday following up.

if nc soft weren’t so adamant, guild wars 2 could be on steam, and that may have have helped with some sales and tracking of players.

Don’t know Raptr,
don’t know xfire,
but game’s going down,
that much, I know.

phys.7689:

overwolf and anet entered a partnership recently, gw2 officially promoted their add ons.

Figures were high though long before they entered a partnership and it was promoted. I’ve been following it since before that.

KarlaGrey.5903:

Don’t know Raptr,
don’t know xfire,
but game’s going down,
that much, I know.

But you have no evidence at all for it. Anyone can say things and provide no evidence. It’s quite easy.

wasted.6817:

2. Archeage release. I know for a fact that many big guilds left for AA, as guilds.

I bet that were all those people that wantet to have person to person trading here to scam people, and of course open world PvP

But seriously .. that game really seems to be such a mess of scamming, griefing, bots and recently even more and more hacks .. its not even funny anymore.

As I said, Guild Wars 2 would move up on Xfire after Halloween hit. Guild Wars 2 is currently 9. The only MMORPG above it (at least on Xfire) is World of Warcraft, which you’d have to expect.

Beldin.5498:

wasted.6817:

2. Archeage release. I know for a fact that many big guilds left for AA, as guilds.

I bet that were all those people that wantet to have person to person trading here to scam people, and of course open world PvP

But seriously .. that game really seems to be such a mess of scamming, griefing, bots and recently even more and more hacks .. its not even funny anymore.

Well, thats not the point, i wasn’t trying to say that AA is a great game. No, the thing is, AA is very guild oriented game, some went for all that farm/housing crap, some hardcore WvW guilds for open world PvP etc. And another thing, the main point here is not about AA, it’s about ppl being ready to leave. If this assumption is true, then that’s the problem.

Thanks for the links Vayne. It’s always of interest to see the bigger picture even when the data is not the entire player base.

From my experience maps are getting empty and slow again. At least in Cursed Shore.

I’m starting to think folks are really really tired of running the same events all the time.

wasted.6817:

Beldin.5498:

wasted.6817:

2. Archeage release. I know for a fact that many big guilds left for AA, as guilds.

I bet that were all those people that wantet to have person to person trading here to scam people, and of course open world PvP

But seriously .. that game really seems to be such a mess of scamming, griefing, bots and recently even more and more hacks .. its not even funny anymore.

Well, thats not the point, i wasn’t trying to say that AA is a great game. No, the thing is, AA is very guild oriented game, some went for all that farm/housing crap, some hardcore WvW guilds for open world PvP etc. And another thing, the main point here is not about AA, it’s about ppl being ready to leave. If this assumption is true, then that’s the problem.

In the end you just said what we all now, that a lot of MMO player are just like
locusts .. they consume content and go to the “next big thing”. Be it ESO or WS
or AA or Black Desert, or Generic Asia Grinder 4711 .. or even some single player
games .. or whatever.

And even if ANet would give them a full expansion a lot of them would cosume that
in 2 weeks, and leave after that to GrindAge 12 because they are bored again.

Vayne.8563:

KarlaGrey.5903:

Don’t know Raptr,
don’t know xfire,
but game’s going down,
that much, I know.

But you have no evidence at all for it. Anyone can say things and provide no evidence. It’s quite easy.

You cant prove that its not going down, your using links to programs that a lot of people do not use, none of my gaming friends whom play GW2 use any of the programs you mentioned.

Fact is, the only person/company/program that can truly tell us what the numbers all belong to Anet, and unless they want to tell us those numbers its a guessing game, and with the guessing game it brings 2 types of people, those who think the game is doing great like yourself, and people who think the game isn’t doing so great, and topics like this cause friction that isn’t needed.

Beldin.5498:

wasted.6817:

Beldin.5498:

wasted.6817:

2. Archeage release. I know for a fact that many big guilds left for AA, as guilds.

I bet that were all those people that wantet to have person to person trading here to scam people, and of course open world PvP

But seriously .. that game really seems to be such a mess of scamming, griefing, bots and recently even more and more hacks .. its not even funny anymore.

Well, thats not the point, i wasn’t trying to say that AA is a great game. No, the thing is, AA is very guild oriented game, some went for all that farm/housing crap, some hardcore WvW guilds for open world PvP etc. And another thing, the main point here is not about AA, it’s about ppl being ready to leave. If this assumption is true, then that’s the problem.

In the end you just said what we all now, that a lot of MMO player are just like
locusts .. they consume content and go to the “next big thing”. Be it ESO or WS
or AA or Black Desert, or Generic Asia Grinder 4711 .. or even some single player
games .. or whatever.

And even if ANet would give them a full expansion a lot of them would cosume that
in 2 weeks, and leave after that to GrindAge 12 because they are bored again.

Yeah! Exactly! People were sticking around for 2 years. Such locusts. Those bloody locusts just can’t be satisfied. You just couldn’t be more right!

/facepalm

Vayne.8563:

KarlaGrey.5903:

Don’t know Raptr,
don’t know xfire,
but game’s going down,
that much, I know.

But you have no evidence at all for it. Anyone can say things and provide no evidence. It’s quite easy.

I have evidence.I’m not playing from a week,my RL friends are not playing from even longer,my in game friends are not playing from months.I’m not considering to return at all if the gme keeps going in the direction that Anet currently wants.I can bet that a lot of people are in the same situation as me.
I only look at the forums forumsto see has something been changed.Noone that i know of is not even logging anymore to get the free LS updates.

MFoy.3284:

Thanks for the links Vayne. It’s always of interest to see the bigger picture even when the data is not the entire player base.

From my experience maps are getting empty and slow again. At least in Cursed Shore.

I’m starting to think folks are really really tired of running the same events all the time.

It’s because lots of people are farming the labyrinth at the moment. And people are taking breaks because you know, there wasn’t new content.

But how long has it been empty for.

Some people played the WvW tournament hard core and took a week or two off. It happens. And in this game you can.

I’ve been in the Labyrinth and even though some of those servers are empty, you consistently get ferries to other servers that have plenty of people…and it’s not the same servers. That’s where your farmers went.

Ok I Did It.2854:

Vayne.8563:

KarlaGrey.5903:

Don’t know Raptr,
don’t know xfire,
but game’s going down,
that much, I know.

But you have no evidence at all for it. Anyone can say things and provide no evidence. It’s quite easy.

You cant prove that its not going down, your using links to programs that a lot of people do not use, none of my gaming friends whom play GW2 use any of the programs you mentioned.

Fact is, the only person/company/program that can truly tell us what the numbers all belong to Anet, and unless they want to tell us those numbers its a guessing game, and with the guessing game it brings 2 types of people, those who think the game is doing great like yourself, and people who think the game isn’t doing so great, and topics like this cause friction that isn’t needed.

But it’s one one program. It’s three different programs. And I’m pretty sure no one uses all three of them. And then there’s this from people searching for games from Google Trends… or are you suggesting that no one uses google?

http://tinyurl.com/ovr6scq

moiraine.2753:

Vayne.8563:

KarlaGrey.5903:

Don’t know Raptr,
don’t know xfire,
but game’s going down,
that much, I know.

But you have no evidence at all for it. Anyone can say things and provide no evidence. It’s quite easy.

I have evidence.I’m not playing from a week,my RL friends are not playing from even longer,my in game friends are not playing from months.I’m not considering to return at all if the gme keeps going in the direction that Anet currently wants.I can bet that a lot of people are in the same situation as me.
I only look at the forums forumsto see has something been changed.Noone that i know of is not even logging anymore to get the free LS updates.

Okay so it’s your word against Google Trends. I guess we can all decide who we believe.

Putting aside the idea of biased samples and how representative they are ..It should be noted that just because people get on frequently doesn’t mean they are truly and completely satisfied with how things are. A lot of us keep on playing (perhaps not as much as we used to) because we’ve had trouble finding anything better. Being the best part of a poor sample doesn’t make something amazing, especially if it’s highly arguable how “best” it even is.

“Numbers” can only tell you so much. Ultimately if you care to know what your players think about things you need to ask them. And when you don’t, the players who can be bothered will give you their option anyway. But that at least tells you something. Just pointing and saying “look, numbers exist!” (as if anyone thought they didn’t) doesn’t really say much. Also, didn’t those xfire, etc numbers used to be much higher?

Google trends or not, the simple fact right now is that game never felt that empty. Day after start of Halloween, 10 ppl doing Mad King says, dead chat and ~2 not full maps farming Lab at evening. This is new and imo, no matter how you look at it, it’s not a good sign.

wasted.6817:

Google trends or not, the simple fact right now is that game never felt that empty. Day after start of Halloween, 10 ppl doing Mad King says, dead chat and ~2 not full maps farming Lab at evening. This is new and imo, no matter how you look at it, it’s not a good sign.

Not two full maps? lmao

We had five guildies on five maps all farming it, none two together…and the reason they were on those maps is because when we tried to get in together they were full.

I’m thinking you need to refine your definition of fact.

Kartel.2561:

Putting aside the idea of biased samples and how representative they are ..It should be noted that just because people get on frequently doesn’t mean they are truly and completely satisfied with how things are. A lot of us keep on playing (perhaps not as much as we used to) because we’ve had trouble finding anything better. Being the best part of a poor sample doesn’t make something amazing, especially if it’s highly arguable how “best” it even is.

“Numbers” can only tell you so much. Ultimately if you care to know what your players think about things you need to ask them. And when you don’t, the players who can be bothered will give you their option anyway. But that at least tells you something. Just pointing and saying “look, numbers exist!” (as if anyone thought they didn’t) doesn’t really say much. Also, didn’t those xfire, etc numbers used to be much higher?

Right but that’s true of all MMORPGs. People play them and complain. All of them. Even WoW, which is the most successful by far.

So what does that even mean.

TSW, SWToR, Wildstar all have layoffs. ESO doesn’t meet expectations and so they delay the console version.

It’s a relative thing. People are playing this game, satisfied or not, and they’re not playing other games.

That means relatively speaking this game is more successful than them. It’s easy to complain.

wasted.6817:

Google trends or not, the simple fact right now is that game never felt that empty. Day after start of Halloween, 10 ppl doing Mad King says, dead chat and ~2 not full maps farming Lab at evening. This is new and imo, no matter how you look at it, it’s not a good sign.

You were probably in a new or older Map thread. At any given time there are TONS of maps open for major hubs like LA. Just saying what you experience is not necessarily the experience of others.

Paradox.1380:

wasted.6817:

Google trends or not, the simple fact right now is that game never felt that empty. Day after start of Halloween, 10 ppl doing Mad King says, dead chat and ~2 not full maps farming Lab at evening. This is new and imo, no matter how you look at it, it’s not a good sign.

You were probably in a new or older Map thread. At any given time there are TONS of maps open for major hubs like LA. Just saying what you experience is not necessarily the experience of others.

Map threads? I thought that maybe they lowered cap for LA or i just end up in newer instances, but that wasn’t the case before, i started to notice the difference only during last month or so.

Vayne.8563:

We had five guildies on five maps all farming it, none two together…and the reason they were on those maps is because when we tried to get in together they were full.

Good, if it’s like that, however my experience was that i was able to join only couple of maps through LFG and then my party were constantly taxing people in for the whole duration of my run (30-40 mins). Probably it was a little too late in the evening or something.

About definition of a fact. Lab maps aside (that was an assumption and i’am glad it seems to be wrong), it’s merely what i’am seeing in LA. This experience is drastically different for me from previous Halloweens, or are you in LA full of chatter and tons of people doing Mad King says? If you say that’s because people farming Lab etc., but they always were farming Lab etc. What changed then, if it’s not just less players around?

PS. And there’s a thread about Lab where people describing experience similar to mine. Perhaps that assumption wasn’t wrong after all.

Vayne.8563:

moiraine.2753:

Vayne.8563:

KarlaGrey.5903:

Don’t know Raptr,
don’t know xfire,
but game’s going down,
that much, I know.

But you have no evidence at all for it. Anyone can say things and provide no evidence. It’s quite easy.

I have evidence.I’m not playing from a week,my RL friends are not playing from even longer,my in game friends are not playing from months.I’m not considering to return at all if the gme keeps going in the direction that Anet currently wants.I can bet that a lot of people are in the same situation as me.
I only look at the forums forumsto see has something been changed.Noone that i know of is not even logging anymore to get the free LS updates.

Okay so it’s your word against Google Trends. I guess we can all decide who we believe.

Yeah, I have no more questions
http://goo.gl/ge2wea
Edited link

Scipio.3204:

Vayne.8563:

moiraine.2753:

Vayne.8563:

KarlaGrey.5903:

Don’t know Raptr,
don’t know xfire,
but game’s going down,
that much, I know.

But you have no evidence at all for it. Anyone can say things and provide no evidence. It’s quite easy.

I have evidence.I’m not playing from a week,my RL friends are not playing from even longer,my in game friends are not playing from months.I’m not considering to return at all if the gme keeps going in the direction that Anet currently wants.I can bet that a lot of people are in the same situation as me.
I only look at the forums forumsto see has something been changed.Noone that i know of is not even logging anymore to get the free LS updates.

Okay so it’s your word against Google Trends. I guess we can all decide who we believe.

Yeah, I have no more questions
http://goo.gl/ge2wea
Edited link

You shouldn’t have any questions. The first people interested in a game, buy the game when it comes out. After that, the searches slow considerably as with all games.

But relative to other MMOs, which is what we’re talking about, the only MMORPG that gets more searches than Guild Wars 2 consistently is WoW. And I don’t know that anyone ever claimed Guild Wars 2 was as successful as WoW. WoW was there at the right place and time.

And out of all the other MMOs, only a couple of them really get hits. SWToR, which is of course Star Wars and it’s backed by EA. FFXIV, which is of course Final Fantasy which is not only a popular Franchise, but it’s also on console…and Guild Wars 2.

It’s pretty good company. Relatively speaking, for a two year old game, this game is a success.

It’s too bad people don’t really get the whole business plan of games.

I used to work in the publishing industry and books are the same way. It doesn’t mean a book that doesn’t do as well as a new book, or the second most popular book isn’t doing well, just because interest is less two years after its been published.

Your comment shows a lack of understanding of the entertainment industry.

Vayne.8563:

Scipio.3204:

Vayne.8563:

moiraine.2753:

Vayne.8563:

KarlaGrey.5903:

Don’t know Raptr,
don’t know xfire,
but game’s going down,
that much, I know.

But you have no evidence at all for it. Anyone can say things and provide no evidence. It’s quite easy.

I have evidence.I’m not playing from a week,my RL friends are not playing from even longer,my in game friends are not playing from months.I’m not considering to return at all if the gme keeps going in the direction that Anet currently wants.I can bet that a lot of people are in the same situation as me.
I only look at the forums forumsto see has something been changed.Noone that i know of is not even logging anymore to get the free LS updates.

Okay so it’s your word against Google Trends. I guess we can all decide who we believe.

Yeah, I have no more questions
http://goo.gl/ge2wea
Edited link

You shouldn’t have any questions. The first people interested in a game, buy the game when it comes out. After that, the searches slow considerably as with all games.

But relative to other MMOs, which is what we’re talking about, the only MMORPG that gets more searches than Guild Wars 2 consistently is WoW. And I don’t know that anyone ever claimed Guild Wars 2 was as successful as WoW. WoW was there at the right place and time.

And out of all the other MMOs, only a couple of them really get hits. SWToR, which is of course Star Wars and it’s backed by EA. FFXIV, which is of course Final Fantasy which is not only a popular Franchise, but it’s also on console…and Guild Wars 2.

It’s pretty good company. Relatively speaking, for a two year old game, this game is a success.

It’s too bad people don’t really get the whole business plan of games.

I used to work in the publishing industry and books are the same way. It doesn’t mean a book that doesn’t do as well as a new book, or the second most popular book isn’t doing well, just because interest is less two years after its been published.

Your comment shows a lack of understanding of the entertainment industry.

And your comment has nothing to do with the link I provided.

Trying to claim that there is a hard correlation between google search terms and game purchases is ludicrous. A very loose correlation surely exists, but trying to prove the health of a game by analyzing how many times that game’s title is typed into google is a fool’s errand.

^Inorite.
I guess both vayne and his employer (winkwink) must be testing new grounds over at the comedy show scene.

Also, the whole business plan of GW2 he mentioned must indeed be quite a success overall, especially in its most recent manifestation, which, having united the typically divided community and allow it to act in unison against a largely unethical business decision, achieved something that is virtually the holy grail every company seeks, but few ever attain (although preferably in a fashion that is a polar opposite of the sentiments displayed in the aftermath of said business decision).

In that sense it is indeed a pretty good company, a splendid one even, so I’m giving it a sound thumbs-up and a strong kiu!

Btw :
http://www.polygon.com/2014/10/23/7050545/wildstar-carbine-studios-layoffs

According to the statement, there were “staff reductions” across all of NCSoft’s western branches except for Guild Wars developer ArenaNet.

NewTrain.7549:

Trying to claim that there is a hard correlation between google search terms and game purchases is ludicrous. A very loose correlation surely exists, but trying to prove the health of a game by analyzing how many times that game’s title is typed into google is a fool’s errand.

Trying to provide a hard core link between the following facts, however, does mean something.

1. Anet’s quarterly report (which shows the game is still profitable).
2. The Google search trend.
3. The Overwolf best games chart
4. The Xfire top games chart.
5. The Raptr top games chart.
6. The fact that there haven’t been any major layoffs at Anet, in spite of NcSoft reorganizing and laying off people from Wildstar. Hell, Anet is still hiring.
7. The game is getting updates. You may not like them, but they’re putting an awful lot of work into a game people say is dying.

It’s not one fact that paints a picture. It’s a combination of facts. One source saying the game is strong relative to other games means nothing. Three sources means only a bit more. The search trend adds to it. The lack of layoffs adds to that. The quarterly report. The hiring.

I’m not really sure what’s so hard to understand.

It’s people’s subjective my guild, my friend’s list, I don’t play the game anymore, and the fact that the game is obviously being played by someone.

Who’s playing it hardly makes a difference.

Vayne.8563:

Scipio.3204:

Vayne.8563:

moiraine.2753:

Vayne.8563:

KarlaGrey.5903:

Don’t know Raptr,
don’t know xfire,
but game’s going down,
that much, I know.

But you have no evidence at all for it. Anyone can say things and provide no evidence. It’s quite easy.

I have evidence.I’m not playing from a week,my RL friends are not playing from even longer,my in game friends are not playing from months.I’m not considering to return at all if the gme keeps going in the direction that Anet currently wants.I can bet that a lot of people are in the same situation as me.
I only look at the forums forumsto see has something been changed.Noone that i know of is not even logging anymore to get the free LS updates.

Okay so it’s your word against Google Trends. I guess we can all decide who we believe.

Yeah, I have no more questions
http://goo.gl/ge2wea
Edited link

’’It’s pretty good company’’. Relatively speaking, for a two year old game, this game is a success.

It’s too bad people don’t really get the whole business plan of games.

I used to work in the publishing industry and books are the same way. It doesn’t mean a book that doesn’t do as well as a new book, or the second most popular book isn’t doing well, just because interest is less two years after its been published.

Your comment shows a lack of understanding of the entertainment industry.

Anet is everything else but not a good company when they can’t deliver enough content or features.The game is lacking in almost every aspect(WvW/PvP/Dungeons/Loot).Only the LS is well made.

How long took them to make only 1 new WvW map or the LFG tool or new dungeon?When i compare GW2 (content,features,realeasing time) to GW1.Well The 1st game is just miles ahead.Yes GW2 has some better things.But that is something expected from a newer game.What is NOT expected nor tolerated is Anet’s fixes of things that are not broken to begin with.Or things that other MMOs already found that they are working great and Anet just refuuses to add them in GW2.For example these two:

http://media.mmochampion.com/images/news/2010/november/markers2.jpg
http://media-curse.cursecdn.com/attachments/84/260/scanner-zoom.png

How can a 10 year old game have a better markers than GW2’s piece of crap.Even Rift had them from the start.Only Anet can’t make what every other MMO has.For instance raid frames for the squads and better leader’s control over the group.Other MMOs have such things by deafault in them.Only GW2 is missing it after 2 long years.

People will get their moneys worth for the game.But they just won’t stick with it.For now its end game is just lacking and it doesn’t have that thing that makes people to return to WoW or EvE even after 10 years.

KarlaGrey.5903:

^Inorite.
I guess both vayne and his employer (winkwink) must be testing new grounds over at the comedy show scene.

Also, the whole business plan of GW2 he mentioned must indeed be quite a success overall, especially in its most recent manifestation which, having united the typically divided communty and allow it to act in unison against a largely unethical business decision, hands down successfully achieved something that no one else could even dream of so far.

In that sense it is indeed a pretty good company, a splendid one even, so I’m giving it a sound thumbs-up and a strong kiu!

Totally off topic of course, but since you lost the argument, you might as well try to obfuscate.

moiraine.2753:

Vayne.8563:

Scipio.3204:

Vayne.8563:

moiraine.2753:

Vayne.8563:

KarlaGrey.5903:

Don’t know Raptr,
don’t know xfire,
but game’s going down,
that much, I know.

But you have no evidence at all for it. Anyone can say things and provide no evidence. It’s quite easy.

I have evidence.I’m not playing from a week,my RL friends are not playing from even longer,my in game friends are not playing from months.I’m not considering to return at all if the gme keeps going in the direction that Anet currently wants.I can bet that a lot of people are in the same situation as me.
I only look at the forums forumsto see has something been changed.Noone that i know of is not even logging anymore to get the free LS updates.

Okay so it’s your word against Google Trends. I guess we can all decide who we believe.

Yeah, I have no more questions
http://goo.gl/ge2wea
Edited link

’’It’s pretty good company’’. Relatively speaking, for a two year old game, this game is a success.

It’s too bad people don’t really get the whole business plan of games.

I used to work in the publishing industry and books are the same way. It doesn’t mean a book that doesn’t do as well as a new book, or the second most popular book isn’t doing well, just because interest is less two years after its been published.

Your comment shows a lack of understanding of the entertainment industry.

Anet is everything else but not a good company when they can’t deliver enough content or features.How long took them to make only 1 new WvW map or the LFG tool or new dungeon?When i compare GW2 (content,features,realeasing time) to GW1.Well The 1st game is just miles ahead.Yes GW2 has some better things.But that is something expected from a newer game.What is NOT expected nor tolerated is Anet’s fixes of things that are not broken to begin with.Or things that other MMOs already found that they are working great and Anet just refuuses to add them in GW2.For example these two:
http://media.mmochampion.com/images/news/2010/november/markers2.jpg
http://media-curse.cursecdn.com/attachments/84/260/scanner-zoom.png

I’m not sure how a good company has anything to do with a game’s success. Most people say EA isn’t a good company but they have had successful games. One thing has nothing to do with another.

Also the criteria you’re judging whether a company is good or not on isn’t fact. It’s arbitrary criteria. I could easily argue the point, except I’m not doing it here, because it has nothing to do with anything I’ve said.

Beldin.5498:

Btw :
http://www.polygon.com/2014/10/23/7050545/wildstar-carbine-studios-layoffs

According to the statement, there were “staff reductions” across all of NCSoft’s western branches except for Guild Wars developer ArenaNet.

Please don’t respond with facts. People who are predicting doom and gloom don’t want to hear anything about facts.

Vayne.8563:

Beldin.5498:

Btw :
http://www.polygon.com/2014/10/23/7050545/wildstar-carbine-studios-layoffs

According to the statement, there were “staff reductions” across all of NCSoft’s western branches except for Guild Wars developer ArenaNet.

Please don’t respond with facts. People who are predicting doom and gloom don’t want to hear anything about facts.

Yepp .. we need of course hardcore content / raids .. much like Wildstar to “save” GW2 .. that makes it again crystal clear

Do people still use those BS things?

kins.3294:

Do people still use those BS things?

Obviously some people do. There are over 7 million people registered with Overwolf.

I’m more likely to believe what I see rather than what one of these sites say. If I log in and see flooded (or empty maps) of players that so called “anecdotal evidence” would speak volumes more to me.

The google trends does show that ff14 is searched more often than gw2. Over the last year, gw2 hasn’t surpassed ff14 a single time. We are also forgetting about runescape, which is trending much higher than gw2. We will have to see how archeage will hold up, since release it’s been higher, which is to be expected. I have a feeling it will hold up though. Gw2 one month after launch had a 38 and archeage one month after has a 37.

From those mmorpgs and WoW, that puts gw2 at #4, with a potential #5 depending on what happens with archeage.
I’m pretty sure I’ve said this exact same thing before. Lol

Terrible way to track since no one rly uses those apps, xfire is going off of 400 or so GW2 players.

The only use xfire has is connecting to more people when it’s hard to find servers these days for dead (but legendary) games like CoD4, which is why it is #1 on their list.

Raptr is cool but I don’t actively use it anymore.. nice for the rewards if you care about that. Rift is partnered with em and I get some pets and stuff here and there when I play that.

This is simply bad metrics, and in no way an accurate representation of the game.

Vayne.8563:

kins.3294:

Do people still use those BS things?

Obviously some people do. There are over 7 million people registered with Overwolf.

Registered =/= active, or using it on a relatively regular basis.

Vayne.8563:

KarlaGrey.5903:

^Inorite.
I guess both vayne and his employer (winkwink) must be testing new grounds over at the comedy show scene.

Also, the whole business plan of GW2 he mentioned must indeed be quite a success overall, especially in its most recent manifestation which, having united the typically divided communty and allow it to act in unison against a largely unethical business decision, hands down successfully achieved something that no one else could even dream of so far.

In that sense it is indeed a pretty good company, a splendid one even, so I’m giving it a sound thumbs-up and a strong kiu!

Totally off topic of course, but since you lost the argument, you might as well try to obfuscate.

Oh right, those Google metrics you provided absolutely shattered my ‘doom and gloom’, kinda like Anet’s sound business decisions so far strongly improved retention and boosted them new-player figures, rite.

Nice comedy-fantasy thread, nevertheless!

@gimp
Yeah, Xfire hasn’t been relevant in a long time. If we go by that cod 4 is the most popular pc game followed by cod 2…