Guild Wars 2

and I don’t mean the mordrem bosses!

So how can one report those?
The events are organized every night with TS and time and effort is put into it just to have it ruined by some kittens?

Never had this before but all of a sudden there are about 4 extra commanders that are just there to troll, distracting the people from the actual commander, exploding the bubbles at indigo too early etc.

I have the names but I can’t write them here and well, you can’t report for trolling.
But for the self-proclaimed “nicest” community of any MMO one should be able to do something about those kittens.

That doesn’t sound like trolling to me. Maybe they are just new? Some people need to start giving new commanders a chance to learn. Also, there are no rules that says there can only be 1 commander.

nexxe.7081:

That doesn’t sound like trolling to me. Maybe they are just new? Some people need to start giving new commanders a chance to learn.

In that case, perhaps they should learn before trying to lead?

So there were 4 commanders at blue, only one was ours. The “extra” indigo commander ran arround and bursted the bubbles? The players had about 11k APs and knew each other. We told them it was organized. They did not care one bit.
Surely not trolls…

Or you could teach them yourself. :I

The behaviour described by OP actually does seem like trolling, especially the “tagging up and bursting bubbles” part.

You said you were on TS, so I assume it was a guild thing.
Maybe these people had it out for your guild?

Just a thought, maybe they are not trolling, but rather playing the game as you are but employing different tactics? Its easy to yell troll when someone is doing something you don’t like or understand.

You said they were distracting players from the actualy commander? How exactly? Were they joining squad or map chat? Disrupting TS?

Yeah you can have multiple commanders and have none of them trolling. But unless there are specific instances that you can point to, without giving names of course, no one has much to go on.

Dlonie: May they did learn, but were taught wrong? And as far as being a noob commander? Well they got to start somewhere and get experience somehow right?

Laarn.7014:

We told them it was organized. They did not care one bit.

they have no obligation to care, you don’t get to call dibs on an entire shard.

your commander isn’t any more real than the other 4, your fun doesn’t take priority over theirs, and lastly, the zone doesn’t belong to you just because you are “organized”.

What is required to be a commander in GW2?

Gold.

End Requirement.

pdavis.8031:

Dlonie: May they did learn, but were taught wrong? And as far as being a noob commander? Well they got to start somewhere and get experience somehow right?

From OP’s description, they either didn’t know the mechanics, or were intentionally sabotaging the event.

If the latter, that would make them trolls.

My statement applies to the former — they should at least run it a few times and learn how the event works before tagging up.

Maxwell: Well it’s not really a guild TS but more of a community TS.
I don’t think they were out targeting anyone. Just out for “mischief”.

Well pdavis. Have you ever been on a map with one commander. Everyone runs behind the commander completly brainless like lemmings (we’ve all done so I guess once in our GW2 career). That’s just the normal effect of a commander. So every random who was not on TS, and there are always a lot as it’s hard to get a complete empty map, knows where to go when there are 4 different colored commanders at the same-collored keeps.

Now you put 3 more blue commanders on the map in about the same region but not in the keep itself and it just gets messy, for example when a legendary spawns that you want to pull under the gate to use the siege equipment to kill it quickly. Sure you can join the squad but only the people in TS do.

Also, as it is with the bosses, for example aoe on the red boss, they are so easily and willingly disturbed. You really can expect from commanders that have spent 300g on a tag, know each other, have been advised that it is an organized map and are still responding provokingly to just want to see things crash and burn.

“the supply dolly told me to tag up”

Anyone who tags up and doesn’t lead the fight is a troll…

This is why the commander tags should’ve been earned instead of bought. A mastery system like in WvW would’ve been good. It could’ve required X number of events and some achievements, which could be completed in both pvp and pve, as well as requiring gold to purchase.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Laarn.7014:

We told them it was organized. They did not care one bit.

they have no obligation to care, you don’t get to call dibs on an entire shard.

your commander isn’t any more real than the other 4, your fun doesn’t take priority over theirs, and lastly, the zone doesn’t belong to you just because you are “organized”.

Well, that’s just, like, your opinion man.
No for real. I know that the map does not belong to anyone (which is a flaw in the game when you want to set up big and organized events) but if you can’t expect some decency out of people, then why try to organize something for a community?

edit: fixed a grammatical error

Laarn.7014:

Maxwell: Well it’s not really a guild TS but more of a community TS.
I don’t think they were out targeting anyone. Just out for “mischief”.

Well pdavis. Have you ever been on a map with one commander. Everyone runs behind the commander completly brainless like lemmings (we’ve all done so I guess once in our GW2 career). That’s just the normal effect of a commander. So every random who was not on TS, and there are always a lot as it’s hard to get a complete empty map, knows where to go when there are 4 different colored commanders at the same-collored keeps.

Now you put 3 more blue commanders on the map in about the same region but not in the keep itself and it just gets messy, for example when a legendary spawns that you want to pull under the gate to use the siege equipment to kill it quickly. Sure you can join the squad but only the people in TS do.

Also, as it is with the bosses, for example aoe on the red boss, they are so easily and willingly disturbed. You really can expect from commanders that have spent 300g on a tag, know each other, have been advised that it is an organized map and are still responding provokingly to just want to see things crash and burn.

“the supply dolly told me to tag up”

So it would seem that its more of a player problem, then a commander troll problem. If 3 people with tags were able to disrupt an entire map without really doing anything other than tagging up (which anyone has the right to do at any time). Of course if they were asked to take down the tags due to confusion, and responded in such a way it doesn’t necessarily mean that they are trolls. It means that they felt that having to remove their tag because someone didn’t like it is an unreasonable request.

How on earth is that an unreasonable request if you play an MMO?
And you seem to have never organized an event if you don’t know how the ratio of organized and random people is on a SW map and you seem not to know the effect of random commanders..
Also you seem to suggest that we had millions of people in TS, which logically wasn’t the case.
But hey, maybe someone of Anet sees it and has an idea to fix it. At least they know of the problem. And yes it is one.

I do not care for commanders on random maps. But on eventmaps with big events it is not an optimal thing.

Have you tried to whisper them and politely ask to “co-operate” ? The "polite’ things is actually pretty important to consider, because what I noticed more than so called “trolling”, is organized groups getting very hostile and dismissive to anyone arriving at the place and not exactly acting to their liking. If anyone would want to viciously disrupt your attempts, that would be someone getting bashed and attack right at the very beginning. Some guys just don’t like being told what they can and what they can’t, so acting hostile feels more like a red cape for a bull rather than achieving anything. And somehow I can’t imagine that the map chat was clear from the ‘words’ flowing towards these few.

Eh, I’m all for giving people the benefit of the doubt, but you guys gotta admit that the behaviour described by OP does seem to be on the troll spectrum.

Small group of players, apparently all knew each other, apparently with 11K AP, all tagged up at the same time, same coulour, same area, and started popping bubbles on the hardest boss encounter… And when addressed, reportedly answered by mocking: “the supply dolly told me to tag up”

Add to that the fact that some people feel a particularly strong inclination to disrupt something when they know that special effort went into the organization…

The problem is that unless they put it in chat, it is impossible to prove whether they were bad (which includes ignorant, poorly coordinated, etc.) or griefing (i.e. intentionally causing the event to fail in order to cause grief to other players).

If you whisper them instructions (such as “please don’t attack the bubbles, they must be killed when the boss is within the light blue circle, thanks!”) and they proceed to continue the bad behavior you may consider reporting them at that time (although they may not speak your language, so it is still possible that your whisper was not understood).

Laarn.7014:

How on earth is that an unreasonable request if you play an MMO?
And you seem to have never organized an event if you don’t know how the ratio of organized and random people is on a SW map and you seem not to know the effect of random commanders..
Also you seem to suggest that we had millions of people in TS, which logically wasn’t the case.
But hey, maybe someone of Anet sees it and has an idea to fix it. At least they know of the problem. And yes it is one.

I do not care for commanders on random maps. But on eventmaps with big events it is not an optimal thing.

Would it be reasonable for someone to ask you to stop using a paticular mini? Or maybe a certain weapon skin? Or title? A commander tag is essentially the same thing…

True I have not organized an event, but I have been part of many. If it was organized, even with a bunch of randoms on the map, someone should at least be announcing in map chat the TS and encouraging people to get on, or to follow a commander and follow squad chat. So if even 1/4 of the people on the map were doing so, randoms or otherwise, the presence of a few extra commanders wouldn’t make that much of a difference.

pdavis.8031:

Laarn.7014:

How on earth is that an unreasonable request if you play an MMO?
And you seem to have never organized an event if you don’t know how the ratio of organized and random people is on a SW map and you seem not to know the effect of random commanders..
Also you seem to suggest that we had millions of people in TS, which logically wasn’t the case.
But hey, maybe someone of Anet sees it and has an idea to fix it. At least they know of the problem. And yes it is one.

I do not care for commanders on random maps. But on eventmaps with big events it is not an optimal thing.

Would it be reasonable for someone to ask you to stop using a paticular mini? Or maybe a certain weapon skin? Or title? A commander tag is essentially the same thing…

True I have not organized an event, but I have been part of many. If it was organized, even with a bunch of randoms on the map, someone should at least be announcing in map chat the TS and encouraging people to get on, or to follow a commander and follow squad chat. So if even 1/4 of the people on the map were doing so, randoms or otherwise, the presence of a few extra commanders wouldn’t make that much of a difference.

Its not the same thing at all! The commander tag was specifically created so that leaders could coordinate players during difficult events/wvw.

By their very nature they attract people to you on a map. That is what they are supposed to do.

Idiot trolls who run around with them on, whilst real commanders are trying to coordinate, should be stopped.

pdavis.8031:

Laarn.7014:

How on earth is that an unreasonable request if you play an MMO?
And you seem to have never organized an event if you don’t know how the ratio of organized and random people is on a SW map and you seem not to know the effect of random commanders..
Also you seem to suggest that we had millions of people in TS, which logically wasn’t the case.
But hey, maybe someone of Anet sees it and has an idea to fix it. At least they know of the problem. And yes it is one.

I do not care for commanders on random maps. But on eventmaps with big events it is not an optimal thing.

Would it be reasonable for someone to ask you to stop using a paticular mini? Or maybe a certain weapon skin? Or title? A commander tag is essentially the same thing…

True I have not organized an event, but I have been part of many. If it was organized, even with a bunch of randoms on the map, someone should at least be announcing in map chat the TS and encouraging people to get on, or to follow a commander and follow squad chat. So if even 1/4 of the people on the map were doing so, randoms or otherwise, the presence of a few extra commanders wouldn’t make that much of a difference.

Haha you made my evening. Thank you. Yes, I can see it now, titles and minis and armor, they are on the map, everywhere. This is totally gonna be a feature in HoT.

It was announced, they were informed, they responded as the example some posts ago stated. The comments weren’t aggressive, we tried different languages and so on and so forth. Should I write everything down for you in a book, every single thing that happened? Wait, I’m gonna get the chat log from the Durmand Priory archives.

“the presence of a few extra commanders wouldn’t make that much of a difference”, yes, certainly inexperienced.

So, I’m out and I really think you shouldn’t just see everything in pink. Hope you will never face trolls, except cave trolls or bee keepers.

Here’s a question, was there something going on on that map before your guild decided to claim it? There’s always two sides to every story and I’m wondering what’s the other on this one. If a guild show’s up on a map and say’s “ours now”, I can see how that could cause blow back. So before anyone starts condemning players, we need to hear the other side.

For popping the bubbles, that happens every time I do Indigo. Players simply misjudge it often. Especially if their auto attack has a condition that ticks off that last couple of percent of HP we try leaving them at.

Um…

If you all were so bloody organized and on TS, why didn’t you just have people join your commander’s squad? Simple solution to the problem.

Azhure.1857:

Um…

If you all were so bloody organized and on TS, why didn’t you just have people join your commander’s squad? Simple solution to the problem.

From what I understand from OP’s posts, these players kept bursting the poison bubbles at the wrong times.
At Indigo that means failing the event… Having the people on TS join the correct squad wouldn’t help I’m afraid :-(

Maxwell.7843:

Azhure.1857:

Um…

If you all were so bloody organized and on TS, why didn’t you just have people join your commander’s squad? Simple solution to the problem.

From what I understand from OP’s posts, these players kept bursting the poison bubbles at the wrong times.
At Indigo that means failing the event… Having the people on TS join the correct squad wouldn’t help I’m afraid :-(

It would help with his commander tag complaint. Otherwise its just a bunch of people deciding to troll for whatever reason. Random trolls can’t be stopped on singular instances like this. We have options like blocking, reporting, asking them nicely to stop, and/or switching maps. Unfortunately I do believe the only time they’re actually “in the wrong” is if the trolls follow you from one map to another.

Maxwell.7843:

From what I understand from OP’s posts, these players kept bursting the poison bubbles at the wrong times.

So the exact same thing that happens even when there is no “organized” group play. If the people on that shard/instance were as grumpy as they are in this thread, I’d have been surprised even more people didn’t go with the “trolls” just to make them mad. Their attitude reminds of of the WvW groups that get angry and vocal telling people to get the kitten out of the map so they can bring their friends in. Doesn’t work for them either.

Sube Dai.8496:

pdavis.8031:

Laarn.7014:

How on earth is that an unreasonable request if you play an MMO?
And you seem to have never organized an event if you don’t know how the ratio of organized and random people is on a SW map and you seem not to know the effect of random commanders..
Also you seem to suggest that we had millions of people in TS, which logically wasn’t the case.
But hey, maybe someone of Anet sees it and has an idea to fix it. At least they know of the problem. And yes it is one.

I do not care for commanders on random maps. But on eventmaps with big events it is not an optimal thing.

Would it be reasonable for someone to ask you to stop using a paticular mini? Or maybe a certain weapon skin? Or title? A commander tag is essentially the same thing…

True I have not organized an event, but I have been part of many. If it was organized, even with a bunch of randoms on the map, someone should at least be announcing in map chat the TS and encouraging people to get on, or to follow a commander and follow squad chat. So if even 1/4 of the people on the map were doing so, randoms or otherwise, the presence of a few extra commanders wouldn’t make that much of a difference.

Its not the same thing at all! The commander tag was specifically created so that leaders could coordinate players during difficult events/wvw.

By their very nature they attract people to you on a map. That is what they are supposed to do.

Idiot trolls who run around with them on, whilst real commanders are trying to coordinate, should be stopped.

This. I just couldnt agree more. Basically if you pop up your cmd tag and you dont do “stuff” prior to completing a certain task or objective in the map intentionally but instead trying to fail it (e.g. Popping the bubbles) and causing grief to people, youre basically trolling. Ofc it would be different if you were told my other commanders that its organized and what needs to be done AND you cooperated. But they didnt!

Seriously, if you think about it, if you dont know the mechanics of the map yet, i dont think its a good idea to pop your tag up and just roam around like a headless chicken. So basically with an AP of about 11k, i seriously doubt that they didnt know the mechanics at all.

So they are trolls.

(Being a cmd isnt just about being able to pop up and let people follow you. You need to be open to learning and cooperating with people (im talking about game objectives, im not saying anything about exploits and such). If youre a troll, just keep your 300g to your pocket. Youre basically wasting your gold, your time and everyone else’s)

To the OP – next time they troll your map call them out in map chat. Give their name and guild tag and commumicate why they are trolling.

You can also take it one step further and reasearch the guild by looking up the tag. There’s a good chance they have a site. Find out who the leader is and report their members.

pdavis.8031:

Would it be reasonable for someone to ask you to stop using a paticular mini? Or maybe a certain weapon skin? Or title? A commander tag is essentially the same thing…

This an absurd statement. The fact that it IS as easy to obtain as those items is the problem, not an excuse so they can be used to be disruptive to other trying to play the game.

Unfortunately, no one can own a map and there isn’t a rule that says a player has to care what the majority of players on the map are doing.

You can’t intentionally do things to impede on someone else’s play. That’s griefing and that is punishable

Without having screenshots (even with names blacked out) of the chat, it’s impossible to tell what their intention was. I’m not going to judge someone based on hearsay.

As to commander tags. There is no rule that says a commander has to command in order to have the tag up. Common courtesy on maps like Silverwastes to not tag up if you aren’t going to follow what the majority of other commanders want to do? Yes. But not punishable if you choose to not follow the other commanders and keep your tag up.

Best defense against them: politely ask them to follow the others or drop the tag. If they choose not to (whether vocally or not), just ignore them and calmly and politely try to keep the other players following your commanders.

Trolls get bored if they don’t get a reaction. You’ve likely just made the situation worse because you reacted.

Seera.5916:

As to commander tags. There is no rule that says a commander has to command in order to have the tag up. Common courtesy on maps like Silverwastes to not tag up if you aren’t going to follow what the majority of other commanders want to do? Yes. But not punishable if you choose to not follow the other commanders and keep your tag up.

This is no rule no, but why on earth would you tag up if you don’t intend to lead people?

Because you like the colours on the mini-map?

I just can’t understand those people…

DeWolfe.2174:

Here’s a question, was there something going on on that map before your guild decided to claim it? There’s always two sides to every story and I’m wondering what’s the other on this one. If a guild show’s up on a map and say’s “ours now”, I can see how that could cause blow back. So before anyone starts condemning players, we need to hear the other side.

For popping the bubbles, that happens every time I do Indigo. Players simply misjudge it often. Especially if their auto attack has a condition that ticks off that last couple of percent of HP we try leaving them at.

Yeah, I am with you on this one. We don’t know the whole story, and more often then not its not a problem with trolls, but some other behavior caused by the offended group that they don’t see as offensive. It could be something innocent, but is a problem for this particular group. Thats why I have commented as I have. I am not about to take one persons instance of “trolls, because we failed and they had tags up” But none of us were there, so none of us can make any sort of accurate assessment of what really happened…

I can attest to the ops story from this morning at indigo, though not the same instance. People were popping bubbles too early. I said stop. After the first popped, they ran immediately to the other, continuing to do so in the circle, despite people telling the not to in map and /s. They continued even after I whispered. We still downed them with 10 sec left, but it shouldve been a faster kill.

Meh, you can’t take over a map anyways. Also I am sure there is more to the other side of the story. I am not doubting you but things usually are not as one-sided as described here.

A friend and I was called a troll in wvw (our borderlands) one time for taking a tower and killing the enemies inside. Then started complaining saying that we are griefers since we don’t use TS and don’t listen to the commander. Turns out he was just mad for not getting credit for the tower, but of course they will say that we are trolling them…

I am not saying that this is the same type of situation here but I see this kind of stuff happening all the time, so I have to question posts like this when I see them.

If you think people are trolling, document as many details as you can: time, place, names, screen shots and/or video. Then create a support ticket and ask ANet to investigate players who are abusing the game’s ToS.

You won’t find out what ANet chooses to do directly, which includes the possibility of “no action,” “warning,” “temporary suspension,” and “banning,” the last being unlikely for a single offense. However, any action ANet takes goes into the account’s record and is used when deciding appropriate action in the future.

There’s no particular value in mentioning it here on the forums: trolls like attention (so don’t give it to them), you can’t name&shame on the forums (posts get redacted/removed), and people tend to end up arguing about it; players can’t actually do anything directly to help.

nexxe.7081:

This is why the commander tags should’ve been earned instead of bought. A mastery system like in WvW would’ve been good. It could’ve required X number of events and some achievements, which could be completed in both pvp and pve, as well as requiring gold to purchase.

Yeah cos the wvw mastery system sooo correlates to a players ability to lead anything…. the system was a fail as soon as it hit the game and has only been further dismantled since the introduction of EoTM.

The only thing it shows is how well a player can sit in a zerg and crunch the #11111 to gain levels.

I would much rather they introduce some kind of peer system that awards favour, but even that kind of system would be open to abuse.

Simple fact is unless openworld events of this nature become instanced, alot of the content will continue be abused and amused in any which way it can.. whether it be afk leeching, trolling/griefing and more often of late failtraining to abuse the reset/reward mechanics.
Only thing you can do is send details of the players to ANET via the request form in the support section and pray ANET don’t file it in the “very important information storage” .. aka trashcan!

Gizmo.9178:

A friend and I was called a troll in wvw (our borderlands) one time for taking a tower and killing the enemies inside.

LOL.. hahaha… this happens to me even. A couple of weeks ago on reset I built an Omega and was back capping our Northern towers and camps on home bl. I heard afterwards a couple of players were whining about it. BUT, it’s using the least amount of players to accomplish a task which is efficient. If anyone whined about wanting a cap for the daily I’d politely tell them to go to EotM for it.

Sube Dai.8496:

Seera.5916:

As to commander tags. There is no rule that says a commander has to command in order to have the tag up. Common courtesy on maps like Silverwastes to not tag up if you aren’t going to follow what the majority of other commanders want to do? Yes. But not punishable if you choose to not follow the other commanders and keep your tag up.

This is no rule no, but why on earth would you tag up if you don’t intend to lead people?

Because you like the colours on the mini-map?

I just can’t understand those people…

The look at me ego boost. They want to show off their purchase. That they have enough money and enough income to support a decision to put 100 g toward a tag.

I don’t think any special when I see a commander tag. They’re too common. I’d be more impressed with a tag that had to be earned than bought.

Seera.5916:

Sube Dai.8496:

Seera.5916:

As to commander tags. There is no rule that says a commander has to command in order to have the tag up. Common courtesy on maps like Silverwastes to not tag up if you aren’t going to follow what the majority of other commanders want to do? Yes. But not punishable if you choose to not follow the other commanders and keep your tag up.

This is no rule no, but why on earth would you tag up if you don’t intend to lead people?

Because you like the colours on the mini-map?

I just can’t understand those people…

The look at me ego boost. They want to show off their purchase. That they have enough money and enough income to support a decision to put 300 g toward a tag.

I don’t think any special when I see a commander tag. They’re too common. I’d be more impressed with a tag that had to be earned than bought.

Fixed for you

I will never understand why people feel the need to keep their tags up when:

1 They have no idea what they are doing

2 There is already a/some commander(s) tagged up who are trying to lead.

3 Nobody is following them after being tagged up for a while.

Its like a giant badge of stupidity being advertised for everyone to see.

People suck, its a fact, I can prove it on an etch a sketch.

The worst thing you can do is complain about it on a public forum, because it empowers more people to do it. You have just explained exactly how it is done, and now the problem will only get worse.

pdavis.8031:

Seera.5916:

Sube Dai.8496:

Seera.5916:

As to commander tags. There is no rule that says a commander has to command in order to have the tag up. Common courtesy on maps like Silverwastes to not tag up if you aren’t going to follow what the majority of other commanders want to do? Yes. But not punishable if you choose to not follow the other commanders and keep your tag up.

This is no rule no, but why on earth would you tag up if you don’t intend to lead people?

Because you like the colours on the mini-map?

I just can’t understand those people…

The look at me ego boost. They want to show off their purchase. That they have enough money and enough income to support a decision to put 300 g toward a tag.

I don’t think any special when I see a commander tag. They’re too common. I’d be more impressed with a tag that had to be earned than bought.

Fixed for you

Forgot to add in “to 300 g”. Let’s not forget that a fair number of commanders became such before they went account bound and only bought 1 or 2 tags.

Good catch.