Disclaimer:This thread is not directed towards all players in Guild Wars 2, nor is it in any way a flame thread against others. The opinions herein are my own and reflect my personal beliefs and views.
I’ve only been around a little over 2 months now, about 1100 hours logged so far. Now I’m by no means an expert at any part of Guild Wars 2, nor do I think I’m better than anyone else. But today I’d like to write about a trend I’m seeing lately that is making the entirety of the game look much different to viewers than it really is.
So let me start by saying that I love Guild Wars 2, and have found nothing that has erked me to the point where I want to leave. Many interesting games are coming out like The Elder Scrolls Online, FFXIV, and Destiny. I will most likely try those as well to see what is new and exciting. But for Guild Wars 2, I truly believe some in the community aren’t giving it a fair deal. A few things to consider before posting such angry threads that i have seen over the months:
This game is still under 1 years old
Much of the development is ongoing and does not rest
You have a great team who actually speaks to the community on a regular basis
You DO have a great community in game
When a pacth comes and something is perhaps taken away, most often I see people complain that what they liked is gone. But rarely do I see those same people suggest what to fill in the gaps with that would be more beneficial than what we had. They recently added skins to the Black Lion Chests. Yes there is RNG involved, but did you stop to think maybe it is just a step towards a larger goal?
Take Maw for instance. They made the timer longer, they also made it 1 chest per day per event per account. I can’t tell you how many times I see people doing Maw, Jormag, Shatterer, Teq, and then simply either logging off or afking and chatting. Clearly there is so very much more to the game than just these? I know it is simply because these and events like these offer loot, but I feel the community needs to look at the game as a whole.
Have you tried finishing the living story?
Have you tried the new content changes?
Have you found the perfect Guild or Guilds for you?
Have you made friends to occupy your time in between what you do everyday?
Just some questions to ask yourself while your farming the same 4-5+ events over and over.
So back to content. They said some time ago they want people to have guaranteed ways to get things in several ways. They did add ascended gear which I understand the community had some trouble understanding as it was slightly against the ideals of what was mentioned at the beginning. But then they added more currencies, more ways to achieve them so that it was not considered “elite” gear. The overall stats are better yes, but you rarely need anymore than rare or exotic for most aspects of the game. Now people asked for more items on gem store, and they added them. But as per their belief “we do not want the store to contain items that players cannot get in game without spending cash”, they are looking to simply keep to what they promised.
As the community changes so does the game. And because of the desires and direction the gamer take the content the developers and designers adjust. Sometimes it is a welcome adjustment, sometimes its a bit hard to swallow. But here’s where the shortsightedness comes in.
For everything that is removed something is almost surely added in its place. After some time other things are developed and added to fill in that hole left by problematic items, content, or other aspects of the game. But time and time alone is the only way to truly see the whole picture. We need to allow ourselves to enjoy the game for what it is but more importantly what it will become. Allowing ourselves to be pessimistic, to be degrading against others, to belittle the very people who work to keep us happy is just not right. We are better than this, we are better than people give us credit for. If people want to come on the forums to look foolish and call people names and argue, let the admins and devs deal with them. Or better yet do research yourself and post your opinion in an intellectual way. Let them rant themselves right into a locked post.
So I would just like to say in closing, everyone has a right to an opinion. But there is so much to look at to truly grasp the size and magnificence of this game. It is not perfect, nor is anyone here, but it strives hard to be just the way we want it. Not as individuals but as a community. Just because we are online doesn’t mean we need to let go of our humanity, of our ethics, or our respect for others. before posting, just take a second to reflect on every part of the game that your concerned with. Then take a breath and write something people can follow, something that even if people disagree they still can respect your opinion for. Otherwise what are we here but a bunch of random strangers arguing to argue, complaining to complain. Again, we are all better than that, and I think every one of you can prove that.
Give it some time, take in the sites and sounds, maybe even a few flying unicorns. Truly understand constructive feedback, and break free of being the shortsighted observer. become the player that others can respect even if they disagree with your opinions and ideas. And look at Tyria as a world more than half full, rather than a world empty and void of substance, of humanity.
(edited by Geotherma.2395)
Playing the game for 46 days (or roughly 1100/24) is not the same as being here the entire time. You talk about ‘wait and see’ when we have.
Sorry to say, the game keeps getting worse. You just need to get out of the honeymoon phase and realize it.
It’s hard to see the community as shortsighted when we just got yet another weapon-skin-in-chest.
Putting some weapon skins into actual gameplay would be nice, so maybe you should be talking to Anet about this?
I have to agree with Gote on this been here since pre week and the game is really for me starting to go backwards.
I know its not me its the game and all the little things they are doing wrong i played EQ2 for just about 6 years and UO for more than that and the way Anet nerfs things over and over i dont know if i will make it 1 year with this game.
They are just way to fast to nerf things and not really think it thru and in the long run this will hurt them.
Just the way i feel sorry.
Playing the game for 46 days (or roughly 1100/24) is not the same as being here the entire time. You talk about ‘wait and see’ when we have.
Sorry to say, the game keeps getting worse. You just need to get out of the honeymoon phase and realize it.
Hell, I find it hard to take anyone seriously, on any subject, when they play video games for roughly 12 hours a day*, everyday, even regarding that game itself.
I’ve waited over 7 months and the only thing that has really improved are bugs, which were just replaced with new ones. The game constantly introduces grind after grind with each passing month and only seems to be getting worse. How am I suppose to act like the game is headed in the right direction? I’m sorry, but things are only getting worse.
P.S.
WTB the old ArenaNet.
I will not argue that people, myself included, can and do fixate on rather minor things and treat them like the world is ending. Even the really tragically stupid nerfs of this last patch are not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
That said, Guild Wars 2 is a worse game than it was at launch in several substantial ways. It is less balanced and offers less build diversity than it did back then. There is less room for creativity in building your character, fewer interesting choices in your weapons and traits, and fewer interesting choices in which gear to use.
I am not one to argue against patience, but I would expect to have seen some progress on these issues in the past seven months of the live game, and to watch it move backwards instead is…disappointing, to say the least.
Playing the game for 46 days (or roughly 1100/24) is not the same as being here the entire time. You talk about ‘wait and see’ when we have.
Sorry to say, the game keeps getting worse. You just need to get out of the honeymoon phase and realize it.
I’ve been here from the beginning. I’m talking about “following the game since 2010” beginning. And I can say I’ve never in my life seen a whinier, more short-sighted community than this games. The amount of crying going on in the profession sub-forums, people lamenting that their class is no longer playable because their overpowered and/or gimmicky build was balanced, is ridiculous.
I’ve waited over 7 months and the only thing that has really improved are bugs, which were just replaced with new ones. The game constantly introduces grind after grind with each passing month and only seems to be getting worse. How am I suppose to act like the game is headed in the right direction? I’m sorry, but things are only getting worse.
P.S.
WTB the old ArenaNet.
I’m beginning to feel more and more that most everyone who made the first game the rousing success it was, the game that said “Hey, you don’t have to be WoW 2.0 to work!” have pretty much all been let go or have crumbled under the corporate boot.
Playing the game for 46 days (or roughly 1100/24) is not the same as being here the entire time. You talk about ‘wait and see’ when we have.
Sorry to say, the game keeps getting worse. You just need to get out of the honeymoon phase and realize it.
But I’ve spent over 10 years in MMO’s watching them change. Sometimes better sometimes worse. But a dark outlook and a negative attitude doesn’t help the community or the game developers make it any better.
All these changes only make me feel like GW2 was released too early. “Wait and see” is for beta. Now that the game is live, it is inexcusable.
But a dark outlook and a negative attitude doesn’t help the community or the game developers make it any better.
Praising failure doesn’t help them make it any better either. What do you suggest?
Playing the game for 46 days (or roughly 1100/24) is not the same as being here the entire time. You talk about ‘wait and see’ when we have.
Sorry to say, the game keeps getting worse. You just need to get out of the honeymoon phase and realize it.
I’ve been here from the beginning. I’m talking about “following the game since 2010” beginning. And I can say I’ve never in my life seen a whinier, more short-sighted community than this games. The amount of crying going on in the profession sub-forums, people lamenting that their class is no longer playable because their overpowered and/or gimmicky build was balanced, is ridiculous.
To be fair, the amount of workarounds available in this game are severely limited. If they change a skill outright or just nerf it hard it can be difficult if not impossible to recreate your build again.
Not to say I lament the salad shooter bubble being hit hard, but I can see how it still hurts.
But a dark outlook and a negative attitude doesn’t help the community or the game developers make it any better.
Praising failure doesn’t help them make it any better either. What do you suggest?
I suggest that when something is taken away that you disagree with to give your opinion on what could be better placed in game to replace it. If you truly believe that it didn’t deserve to be taken away or changed then state that as well. I’m not simply complaining that people should just be OK with every change, or follow blindly. I’m simply saying that people need to look at long term and see what can benefit everyone. And that people give ideas and feedback that is more than just destructive criticism or turn threads into 4 walls of arguments against each other. Because strife among one another gets us no where, and degrading the people you ask change from does nothing to help as well.
One chief complaint i do have is that “some” players find ways to circumvent the game and destroy things others do or use which is not meant in such a way. These players are the reason for the removal and change that so many dislike. They and they alone can be blamed for the need to program a change that affects everyone negatively, not just them. But blaming isn’t going to fix it, working towards a fix or replacement idea will. Or at least it is a start.
(edited by Geotherma.2395)
Playing the game for 46 days (or roughly 1100/24) is not the same as being here the entire time. You talk about ‘wait and see’ when we have.
Sorry to say, the game keeps getting worse. You just need to get out of the honeymoon phase and realize it.
I am posting in response to the OP and those who are interested in what the OP has to say, I quoted someone to make an example.
So I want to make it a point to note that every single game that has an active community on the forums is typically going contain a lot of negativity within said forums. Content creation can never and will never be on par with how quickly it is devoured by the players. People always want more, it’s natural for us. Unfortunately some people are not aware of how development works nor do they understand how some things would affect the games that they play. Most of the time what you see on the forums are selfish desires for individuals and naysayers who do not respect and/or do not understand how intricate and time-consuming it is to create good and engaging content.
Now I will make an example of the quote at the beginning of this post. It’s a prime example of what I was talking about. The Devs of ANet have listened to the majority of the community voicing their concerns, and taken in their own design philosophy to balance in the content that have created for us in the short time this game has been out. There was once an extremely vocal outcry consisting of players “Having nothing to do at endgame” so the Devs responded with something that didn’t perfectly fit into their philosophy; Fractals and Ascended gear. The beauty of this is that ascended gear, even though it is better than Exotics, it does not win a fight. It is a very minute increase but it’s also hard to get compared to exotics, and gives those people something to do. Now, we have a lot less of those outbursts.
That’s a perfect example of ANet listening, acknowledging, and acting for the community. Even though there are many who hate ascended, it really doesn’t change their experience. If you don’t want to grind for it, that’s okay because you’re not really at a significant disadvantage against someone who does have it.
ANet just today came out with a patch that removed culling from WvW, on top of that they have incorporated popular exotics such as Knights, Berserkers, and Rabid stat allocations to be obtained via Badges of Honor as well as unique skins that can also be purchased with badges. That is yet another thing the community has asked for a lot.
While the list goes on, it is very clear that ANet is listening to the community and acting in favor of it while at the same time running a very fair business to keep the game running. You are right about some people being short-sighted, and unfortunately we will have to deal with that in any game community. However, then there are also people who are very aware and understanding of the development process, and who also understand how amazing this game is compared to other MMO’s considering its youth, and the best thing we can do is show our appreciation to the awesome dev team for their hard work.
But a dark outlook and a negative attitude doesn’t help the community or the game developers make it any better.
Praising failure doesn’t help them make it any better either. What do you suggest?
I suggest that when something is taken away that you disagree with to give your opinion on what could be better placed in game to replace it. If you truly believe that it didn’t deserve to be taken away or changed then state that as well. I’m not simply complaining that people should just be OK with every change, or follow blindly. I’m simply saying that people need to look at long term and see what can benefit everyone. And that people give ideas and feedback that is more than just destructive criticism or turn threads into 4 walls of arguments against each other. Because strife among one another gets us no where, and degrading the people you ask change from does nothing to help as well.
Where as, in the real world, when you want something changed and are ignored you have two choices; give up and leave or shout louder.
Sorry to say that the option that isn’t speak up louder also means that all the apologists also get screwed because if enough people leave the game shuts down.
We all care about this game, in one way or another. Enough to come here and criticize and complain in the hopes that it gets better. It gets nasty when people get ignored, continuously, for months. That’s when the nails come out.
People will stop complaining the moment they loose that final bit of hope, give up and move on to the next thing.
Playing the game for 46 days (or roughly 1100/24) is not the same as being here the entire time. You talk about ‘wait and see’ when we have.
Sorry to say, the game keeps getting worse. You just need to get out of the honeymoon phase and realize it.
I think the players are making it bad for them self. These forums are a major part of why they changes the game the way they do but all ppl seem to be able to do is just larges blanket complain because of small bits they do not like. Like the last update ppl hate small parts of it but they will act as if they hate every thing that was done SO Anet will read it as they hate every thing in the patch and fix it as they see fit. This could be seen in the Feb. patch there was a small bit that ppl out right hated but instead of going after the small bits they did not like the ppl went after the patch over all. So things that a lot of ppl liked where also put in to as the community hated it. This was Chest drops from would events. Now because of what the community said Anet changed it to where it is now. Now you see the same ppl who disliked the Feb. patch hate this patch because of small bits mainly the chest bit so the entire patch what they are saying is a bad patch.
If the game is getting worst its because of these forums. Ppl here cant say the good things about the patch they will only talk about the bad things.
That Jski, is why the devs should be wise and check how things are on the gaming front. I dunno, play a bunch of characters while not under the ‘GM’ moniker ingame and find out that way.
@ Jonathan.1580
You just literally made my day.
Playing the game for 46 days (or roughly 1100/24) is not the same as being here the entire time. You talk about ‘wait and see’ when we have.
Sorry to say, the game keeps getting worse. You just need to get out of the honeymoon phase and realize it.
I think the players are making it bad for them self. These forums are a major part of why they changes the game the way they do but all ppl seem to be able to do is just larges blanket complain because of small bits they do not like. Like the last update ppl hate small parts of it but they will act as if they hate every thing that was done SO Anet will read it as they hate every thing in the patch and fix it as they see fit. This could be seen in the Feb. patch there was a small bit that ppl out right hated but instead of going after the small bits they did not like the ppl went after the patch over all. So things that a lot of ppl liked where also put in to as the community hated it. This was Chest drops from would events. Now because of what the community said Anet changed it to where it is now. Now you see the same ppl who disliked the Feb. patch hate this patch because of small bits mainly the chest bit so the entire patch what they are saying is a bad patch.
If the game is getting worst its because of these forums. Ppl here cant say the good things about the patch they will only talk about the bad things.
Lol u seem to be implying that anet has no discernment whatsoever.
We all care about this game, in one way or another. Enough to come here and criticize and complain in the hopes that it gets better. It gets nasty when people get ignored, continuously, for months. That’s when the nails come out.
The problem is that people are often wrong. They get upset when they’re told they’re wrong. And they get upset when they’re ignored.
I know half the people posting on this board think they know the game better than the developers, but few of them even understand – fully understand – their own class. Sure, they might know how to play a build or two, but how many posters in the profession sub-forums give the impression they really understand their profession on a deeper level than “the website said to take these skills, those traits, and run that rotation”? And of those, how many give the impression the even care about – let alone understand – their profession’s balance against all others in PvE, PvP, and WvW? From my experience, not very many.
This was Chest drops from would events. Now because of what the community said Anet changed it to where it is now.
Please stop being so naive.
Anet didnt change a thing related to chests because of what anyone said on their forums. They changed it because they saw people gaining too much reward from it. They even said as much when they announced the change.
Having experienced the quality and depth of gameplay Anet is capable of, in GW1, makes this game seem woefully lacking.
It is prettier. Characters are nicer. Beyond that.. well.. not seeing it.
Playing the game for 46 days (or roughly 1100/24) is not the same as being here the entire time. You talk about ‘wait and see’ when we have.
Sorry to say, the game keeps getting worse. You just need to get out of the honeymoon phase and realize it.
I am posting in response to the OP and those who are interested in what the OP has to say, I quoted someone to make an example.
So I want to make it a point to note that every single game that has an active community on the forums is typically going contain a lot of negativity within said forums. Content creation can never and will never be on par with how quickly it is devoured by the players. People always want more, it’s natural for us. Unfortunately some people are not aware of how development works nor do they understand how some things would affect the games that they play. Most of the time what you see on the forums are selfish desires for individuals and naysayers who do not respect and/or do not understand how intricate and time-consuming it is to create good and engaging content.
Now I will make an example of the quote at the beginning of this post. It’s a prime example of what I was talking about. The Devs of ANet have listened to the majority of the community voicing their concerns, and taken in their own design philosophy to balance in the content that have created for us in the short time this game has been out. There was once an extremely vocal outcry consisting of players “Having nothing to do at endgame” so the Devs responded with something that didn’t perfectly fit into their philosophy; Fractals and Ascended gear. The beauty of this is that ascended gear, even though it is better than Exotics, it does not win a fight. It is a very minute increase but it’s also hard to get compared to exotics, and gives those people something to do. Now, we have a lot less of those outbursts.
That’s a perfect example of ANet listening, acknowledging, and acting for the community. Even though there are many who hate ascended, it really doesn’t change their experience. If you don’t want to grind for it, that’s okay because you’re not really at a significant disadvantage against someone who does have it.
ANet just today came out with a patch that removed culling from WvW, on top of that they have incorporated popular exotics such as Knights, Berserkers, and Rabid stat allocations to be obtained via Badges of Honor as well as unique skins that can also be purchased with badges. That is yet another thing the community has asked for a lot.
While the list goes on, it is very clear that ANet is listening to the community and acting in favor of it while at the same time running a very fair business to keep the game running. You are right about some people being short-sighted, and unfortunately we will have to deal with that in any game community. However, then there are also people who are very aware and understanding of the development process, and who also understand how amazing this game is compared to other MMO’s considering its youth, and the best thing we can do is show our appreciation to the awesome dev team for their hard work.
While I can commend the devs for listening to the players (or at least some demographics), the glaring point I saw was that Ascended was introduced in direct counter to their own philosophy that there would be no gear grind. You can say that it does not make a significant difference, but the fact remains that there is a difference, just as there is a difference between rares and exotics, and once stats are involved, people are obligated to grind for it.
Incorporating popular stat allocations only brings one question to my mind – why weren’t these stat allocations available on introduction? It’s like saying, hey! After listening to car owners, we’ve decided to add a passenger seat to our car design, since, well, apparently it’s pretty popular.
Putting the new skins into Black Lion Chests is not a popular decision. Balancing around PvP while disregarding the effects on PvE is not listening to the community (or listening to specific demographics).
While I applaud the notion that constructive criticism should be given, sometimes I feel like we are obligated to applaud when they do something that should have been done ages ago. Remove culling so we can actually SEE what we are fighting?! Someone give that man an award! I guess we should put them up for a Nobel Prize if it ever gets ported to PvE (looooove fighting invisible centaur hordes btw)!
I’m not saying that they’re doing BAD work. I’m just saying that reserve your credit for when credit is due. On the flip side – just saying “NERFED?! LAME PATCH. OFF TO ESO! KTHNXBYE” doesn’t help either. But asking for reasoned, logical arguments backed with proof in a forum is always going to be an uphill task..
It’s hard to see the community as shortsighted when we just got yet another weapon-skin-in-chest.
Putting some weapon skins into actual gameplay would be nice, so maybe you should be talking to Anet about this?
New guild skins are in the game…. I like them >_>
Playing the game for 46 days (or roughly 1100/24) is not the same as being here the entire time. You talk about ‘wait and see’ when we have.
Sorry to say, the game keeps getting worse. You just need to get out of the honeymoon phase and realize it.
I think the players are making it bad for them self. These forums are a major part of why they changes the game the way they do but all ppl seem to be able to do is just larges blanket complain because of small bits they do not like. Like the last update ppl hate small parts of it but they will act as if they hate every thing that was done SO Anet will read it as they hate every thing in the patch and fix it as they see fit. This could be seen in the Feb. patch there was a small bit that ppl out right hated but instead of going after the small bits they did not like the ppl went after the patch over all. So things that a lot of ppl liked where also put in to as the community hated it. This was Chest drops from would events. Now because of what the community said Anet changed it to where it is now. Now you see the same ppl who disliked the Feb. patch hate this patch because of small bits mainly the chest bit so the entire patch what they are saying is a bad patch.
If the game is getting worst its because of these forums. Ppl here cant say the good things about the patch they will only talk about the bad things.
Lol u seem to be implying that anet has no discernment whatsoever.
No i said that they do it there own way you must keep this in mind each time you talk about things. This is true in life too no one is going to do word for word what you want them to do so when you ask some one to do something do not think it will ever be to the letter.
Look at what i quoted “Sorry to say, the game keeps getting worse.” So is every bit of the game getting worst or only the parts that you play getting worst or is it the last thing you did making it worst. Or has the game become such that no one can play.
This is a blanked complain from this point of view we can only guess at what is wrong.
There more to it though if you spend all day farm for… what i would like to know i do not get it at all are you trying to get your 5th legendary?
This is part of the self inflected problems. You have ppl who look for the next thing to use up until its fixed.
We all care about this game, in one way or another. Enough to come here and criticize and complain in the hopes that it gets better. It gets nasty when people get ignored, continuously, for months. That’s when the nails come out.
The problem is that people are often wrong. They get upset when they’re told they’re wrong. And they get upset when they’re ignored.
I know half the people posting on this board think they know the game better than the developers, but few of them even understand – fully understand – their own class. Sure, they might know how to play a build or two, but how many posters in the profession sub-forums give the impression they really understand their profession on a deeper level than “the website said to take these skills, those traits, and run that rotation”? And of those, how many give the impression the even care about – let alone understand – their profession’s balance against all others in PvE, PvP, and WvW? From my experience, not very many.
So what you are saying is… all the rangers complaining about their class should shut up and learn to play? I think thats a little unfair, seeing as how someone else can play a warrior and literally faceroll anything this game has to offer. No need to understand anything better than the devs there.
We all care about this game, in one way or another. Enough to come here and criticize and complain in the hopes that it gets better. It gets nasty when people get ignored, continuously, for months. That’s when the nails come out.
The problem is that people are often wrong. They get upset when they’re told they’re wrong. And they get upset when they’re ignored.
I know half the people posting on this board think they know the game better than the developers, but few of them even understand – fully understand – their own class. Sure, they might know how to play a build or two, but how many posters in the profession sub-forums give the impression they really understand their profession on a deeper level than “the website said to take these skills, those traits, and run that rotation”? And of those, how many give the impression the even care about – let alone understand – their profession’s balance against all others in PvE, PvP, and WvW? From my experience, not very many.
We just finally got Agony Resistance on Ranger pets. Prior to this patch pets would be next to useless in any fractal higher than 10 because they would be dead the second the effect appeared thereby disabling a large portion of both damage and utility of the class. And this is on a class that is already seen as pretty much pointless in high-end PvE to begin with.
We had to kitten and moan since the launch of Fractals to get this fixed. This should have never been an issue from the start.
Please don’t tell me that the developers actually know what they are doing because every patch they release makes it more and more obvious that they don’t play the same game we do.
We all care about this game, in one way or another. Enough to come here and criticize and complain in the hopes that it gets better. It gets nasty when people get ignored, continuously, for months. That’s when the nails come out.
The problem is that people are often wrong. They get upset when they’re told they’re wrong. And they get upset when they’re ignored.
I know half the people posting on this board think they know the game better than the developers, but few of them even understand – fully understand – their own class. Sure, they might know how to play a build or two, but how many posters in the profession sub-forums give the impression they really understand their profession on a deeper level than “the website said to take these skills, those traits, and run that rotation”? And of those, how many give the impression the even care about – let alone understand – their profession’s balance against all others in PvE, PvP, and WvW? From my experience, not very many.
So what you are saying is… all the rangers complaining about their class should shut up and learn to play? I think thats a little unfair, seeing as how someone else can play a warrior and literally faceroll anything this game has to offer. No need to understand anything better than the devs there.
you do know part of way the warriors could face role was because of the Quicknis skill that was nerfed right??? ((that and the food that was nerfed last patch))
and that Ranger’s got a few fix’s this patch.
We all care about this game, in one way or another. Enough to come here and criticize and complain in the hopes that it gets better. It gets nasty when people get ignored, continuously, for months. That’s when the nails come out.
The problem is that people are often wrong. They get upset when they’re told they’re wrong. And they get upset when they’re ignored.
I know half the people posting on this board think they know the game better than the developers, but few of them even understand – fully understand – their own class. Sure, they might know how to play a build or two, but how many posters in the profession sub-forums give the impression they really understand their profession on a deeper level than “the website said to take these skills, those traits, and run that rotation”? And of those, how many give the impression the even care about – let alone understand – their profession’s balance against all others in PvE, PvP, and WvW? From my experience, not very many.
We just finally got Agony Resistance on Ranger pets. Prior to this patch pets would be next to useless in any fractal higher than 10 because they would be dead the second the effect appeared thereby disabling a large portion of both damage and utility of the class. And this is on a class that is already seen as pretty much pointless in high-end PvE to begin with.
We had to kitten and moan since the launch of Fractals to get this fixed. This should have never been an issue from the start.
Please don’t tell me that the developers actually know what they are doing because every patch they release makes it more and more obvious that they don’t play the same game we do.
To be fair, agony on pets could be countered by swapping prior to this patch.
I would also take into account for things Anet did respond to pretty quickly. For example, in WvW about a month ago there was an culminating issue with consumables abusers (Gears, Spikeroot Fruits, etc). Two weeks later the next monthly patch was released which fixed up the problem.
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This was Chest drops from would events. Now because of what the community said Anet changed it to where it is now.
Please stop being so naive.
Anet didnt change a thing related to chests because of what anyone said on their forums. They changed it because they saw people gaining too much reward from it. They even said as much when they announced the change.How do you know that is their entire reason? Making the drops account bound was one of the biggest available solutions that wouldn’t wreck the game as far as overflows are concerned.
People were blaming guesting for the overflows when clearly it wasn’t the only reason for it. But lets imagine for a second that guesting was the cause of all this: Wouldn’t something like, say, making the chest spawn only on your home world have been a better solution? Nah, not when people still got all the rares. So they nerfed the reward as a band-aid on the symptom but left the disease (overflows) intact.
We all care about this game, in one way or another. Enough to come here and criticize and complain in the hopes that it gets better. It gets nasty when people get ignored, continuously, for months. That’s when the nails come out.
The problem is that people are often wrong. They get upset when they’re told they’re wrong. And they get upset when they’re ignored.
I know half the people posting on this board think they know the game better than the developers, but few of them even understand – fully understand – their own class. Sure, they might know how to play a build or two, but how many posters in the profession sub-forums give the impression they really understand their profession on a deeper level than “the website said to take these skills, those traits, and run that rotation”? And of those, how many give the impression the even care about – let alone understand – their profession’s balance against all others in PvE, PvP, and WvW? From my experience, not very many.
So what you are saying is… all the rangers complaining about their class should shut up and learn to play? I think thats a little unfair, seeing as how someone else can play a warrior and literally faceroll anything this game has to offer. No need to understand anything better than the devs there.
Let me clarify. the forums are here for players to voice their concerns. They can and should do so. But when something like life-steal food getting an internal CD is added, a needed addition, the community goes ape**** and we get thread after thread after thread how ArenaNet destroyed “the only viable builds available to X profession”. That’s the kind of short-sighted overreaction these forums could do without.
alot of people dont seem to understand that Anet never intended for people just to be able to spike everything to the ground and that the idea was that people would form more of a soft trinaty.
so with Spike Dammage Builds getting the Nerf alot of them need (kittenOP timewarp)) servivabulity play’s a much bigger role.
so somthing like pet’s ressing downed player’s working now is kinda a big deal.
Please don’t tell me that the developers actually know what they are doing because every patch they release makes it more and more obvious that they don’t play the same game we do.
If you believe – you truly believe – that the developers aren’t competent then why are you still playing? If the developers are as clueless as some of you make them out to be, then the game is doomed and you might as well abandon ship now.
I’m a casual who enjoys the random wvwvw game. Oh the decent Orr group events where I tag along are nice also. We need more wvwvw and more open world content. This game is great .
Take Maw for instance. They made the timer longer,
The change to maw timer is ridiculous considering the restrictions on chests they also added. Whats the point?
This was Chest drops from would events. Now because of what the community said Anet changed it to where it is now.
Please stop being so naive.
Anet didnt change a thing related to chests because of what anyone said on their forums. They changed it because they saw people gaining too much reward from it. They even said as much when they announced the change.How do you know that is their entire reason? Making the drops account bound was one of the biggest available solutions that wouldn’t wreck the game as far as overflows are concerned.
People were blaming guesting for the overflows when clearly it wasn’t the only reason for it. But lets imagine for a second that guesting was the cause of all this: Wouldn’t something like, say, making the chest spawn only on your home world have been a better solution? Nah, not when people still got all the rares. So they nerfed the reward as a band-aid on the symptom but left the disease (overflows) intact.
Pritty nice band add as even with all the player’s online((and gesting)) to TC to day I have yet to end up in an overflow. ((and people are rendering faster than normal, also the hole nameplate thing))
We all care about this game, in one way or another. Enough to come here and criticize and complain in the hopes that it gets better. It gets nasty when people get ignored, continuously, for months. That’s when the nails come out.
The problem is that people are often wrong. They get upset when they’re told they’re wrong. And they get upset when they’re ignored.
I know half the people posting on this board think they know the game better than the developers, but few of them even understand – fully understand – their own class. Sure, they might know how to play a build or two, but how many posters in the profession sub-forums give the impression they really understand their profession on a deeper level than “the website said to take these skills, those traits, and run that rotation”? And of those, how many give the impression the even care about – let alone understand – their profession’s balance against all others in PvE, PvP, and WvW? From my experience, not very many.
So what you are saying is… all the rangers complaining about their class should shut up and learn to play? I think thats a little unfair, seeing as how someone else can play a warrior and literally faceroll anything this game has to offer. No need to understand anything better than the devs there.
Let me clarify. the forums are here for players to voice their concerns. They can and should do so. But when something like life-steal food getting an internal CD is added, a needed addition, the community goes ape**** and we get thread after thread after thread how ArenaNet destroyed “the only viable builds available to X profession”. That’s the kind of short-sighted overreaction these forums could do without.
Ah, on that we can agree.
Please don’t tell me that the developers actually know what they are doing because every patch they release makes it more and more obvious that they don’t play the same game we do.
If you believe – you truly believe – that the developers aren’t competent then why are you still playing? If the developers are as clueless as some of you make them out to be, then the game is doomed and you might as well abandon ship now.
I believe anet is under-resourced and has lost its vision for the game. This has led to bugs, changes taking far too long, solutions which merely short cuts rather than considered, short sighted decisions and decisions that anger much of the fan base.
But when something like life-steal food getting an internal CD is added, a needed addition, the community goes ape**** and we get thread after thread after thread how ArenaNet destroyed “the only viable builds available to X profession”.
I agree about the hyperbole, but the Omnompie change is really analogous to the latest quickness change.
Was it too strong and warping the environment? Sure. But it was warping the environment because the game, especially dungeons and end-game PvE content in general, are very, very sustain dependent encounters, which most classes are really bad at. Omnompie helped level the playing field, by giving every class a source of sustain.
Was it crazy overpowered? Sure. But its removal did not encourage build diversity; it discouraged it by making the game even more Guardian and Time Warp dependent, as you either need sustain (which only Guardians really excel at on a team-wide scale) or burst (Time Warp) to handle boss fights.
I would have been thrilled to see Omnompie removed, and an effort made to shore up sustain across the board to compensate and make other classes less Guardian dependent. Instead it was nerfed, with nothing filling the gap – and, sadly, no expectation of anything changing to fill that gap any time in the future.
So overreaction? Yes. But people were reacting for a good reason.
Take Maw for instance. They made the timer longer,
The change to maw timer is ridiculous considering the restrictions on chests they also added. Whats the point?
Like I said, many people do 4 events on multiple characters for rares and log off. The other day I wandered around and ended up in some pirate event I had no idea what was going on but I helped and got to see a small story. Now I’d never find these little works of story if I just did the dragon chests and hoped to get rich. There is so much more out there, and yes it may not get you a guaranteed rare. But it can reward you in other ways, and I believe understanding that a non chest event can be rewarding is part of the problem. Everything shouldn’t be about money, developers and designers spent years making this game. Why short change it by doing 1% of the content and complaining of boredom on forums? I realize people are impatient at times, we all are, be at some point we need to realize it isn’t all about us. And it is definitely not all about doing 5 events 300 times a day for some gold.
Please don’t tell me that the developers actually know what they are doing because every patch they release makes it more and more obvious that they don’t play the same game we do.
If you believe – you truly believe – that the developers aren’t competent then why are you still playing? If the developers are as clueless as some of you make them out to be, then the game is doomed and you might as well abandon ship now.
I believe anet is under-resourced and has lost its vision for the game. This has led to bugs, changes taking far too long, solutions which merely short cuts rather than considered, short sighted decisions and decisions that anger much of the fan base.
its pretty clear to any one with a little critical thinking that they have not “lost there Vision” how ever they have made a few needed compromise’s in order to sestane the large player base to support this game and its content.
when I can no longer do content with out max level gear than i may start to swing tword your way of thinking. tell than all i know is that i only have 1 accended and still Crush ((play better)) than many with full set and a legendary ((or 4))
i sick of carrying most of the pugs i join….. ((FYI most of the fanbase dont get on the forums))
Please don’t tell me that the developers actually know what they are doing because every patch they release makes it more and more obvious that they don’t play the same game we do.
If you believe – you truly believe – that the developers aren’t competent then why are you still playing? If the developers are as clueless as some of you make them out to be, then the game is doomed and you might as well abandon ship now.
Because it costs me nothing to play and I see the potential in the game and still figure with enough prodding they might actually wake up and make the game they advertised so energetically. I really only log in to dailies and to WvW if I have time.
I assure you I would have been gone in a heartbeat after the Nov update if I had to pay a monthly fee to play.
oh kitten just make the rare and all derivatives from the said rare account bound already. There! No more farming for ecto to sell, no more selling rares on TP, only farm for own use or for own farming to legendary. Removes the bots from the equation and reduces populations attending these events? Done? Done.
It saddens me to see people post “Not happy? Why not leave?” Some of us post because we actually like the game and want to see the game improve. The game does not improve if everyone adopts a “devs must know what they’re doing because they are developers, we aren’t”. Pointing out stuff due for fixing and giving feedback on new patches are faring is how the game progresses and improves.
Again, constructive criticism is key for this – otherwise, they should just have a weekly dev video (something like LoL patch notes), where a dev steps up and explains their design decisions in a 3 minute clip and the reasons behind why they made the changes they did. In one shot, devs connect with the community and people will stop having to second guess what the devs were thinking when they implemented said changes.
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oh kitten just make the rare and all derivatives from the said rare account bound already. There! No more farming for ecto to sell, no more selling rares on TP, only farm for own use or for own farming to legendary. Removes the bots from the equation and reduces populations attending these events? Done? Done.
Ya, who needs trading in an online multiplayer RPG anyway? Right fellas!?
But when something like life-steal food getting an internal CD is added, a needed addition, the community goes ape**** and we get thread after thread after thread how ArenaNet destroyed “the only viable builds available to X profession”.
I agree about the hyperbole, but the Omnompie change is really analogous to the latest quickness change.
Was it too strong and warping the environment? Sure. But it was warping the environment because the game, especially dungeons and end-game PvE content in general, are very, very sustain dependent encounters, which most classes are really bad at. Omnompie helped level the playing field, by giving every class a source of sustain.
Was it crazy overpowered? Sure. But its removal did not encourage build diversity; it discouraged it by making the game even more Guardian and Time Warp dependent, as you either need sustain (which only Guardians really excel at on a team-wide scale) or burst (Time Warp) to handle boss fights.
I would have been thrilled to see Omnompie removed, and an effort made to shore up sustain across the board to compensate and make other classes less Guardian dependent. Instead it was nerfed, with nothing filling the gap – and, sadly, no expectation of anything changing to fill that gap any time in the future.
So overreaction? Yes. But people were reacting for a good reason.
thats not true a restoration focused Necro can sastain player’s almost as well with there restoration wells and the life steal you get from ranged through one of there Feilds ((know what it looks like, not what its called)) that with a warrior with healing shouts you can stay on your feet a good long time.
((my guild runs like this all the time))
oh kitten just make the rare and all derivatives from the said rare account bound already. There! No more farming for ecto to sell, no more selling rares on TP, only farm for own use or for own farming to legendary. Removes the bots from the equation and reduces populations attending these events? Done? Done.
Ya, who needs trading in an online multiplayer RPG anyway? Right fellas!?
You can trade the rares from the multitude of other sources (fractals, dungeons, open world, guild missions, etc) which do not encounter the overflow problem. Removing ONE source of rares will not break the economy and will remove the cause of unhappiness of a lot of people. Why not?
-edit- a word which actually did not default to kitten?! omg.
oh kitten just make the rare and all derivatives from the said rare account bound already. There! No more farming for ecto to sell, no more selling rares on TP, only farm for own use or for own farming to legendary. Removes the bots from the equation and reduces populations attending these events? Done? Done.
Ya, who needs trading in an online multiplayer RPG anyway? Right fellas!?
You can trade the rares from the multitude of other sources (fractals, dungeons, open world, guild missions, etc) which do not encounter the overflow problem. Removing ONE source of rares will not break the economy and will remove the cause of unhappiness of a lot of people. Why not?
-edit- a word which actually did not default to kitten?! omg.
there trying to make it so you only do the events some time’s…. not drive people away completely ((As every one runs back into the dungeons))
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