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Posted by: Tenrai Senshi.2017

Tenrai Senshi.2017

As someone who often plays with PUG groups in dungeons and fractals, it was inevitable that I’d notice many of the strange and funny LFG messages that people put out in the hopes of finding that “ideal” party in an effort to make their dungeon/fractal run as smooth or as fast as possible.

I thought I’d share some examples of these examples, as well as my thoughts on them.

“Fractal LvL X: Swamp ready!”

Now, I understand why most players doing regular fractal runs would want to get swamp first. It’s fast and easy for an experienced group and so it can cut your fractal run time down by a reasonable amount if you’re lucky enough to get it.

What I don’t understand is why people often won’t join a fractal or start one unless they get swamp first. I’ve even had people join a party where I haven’t specified that we’d be doing swamp, only to then ask if swamp was ready and then subsequently leave when I say “no”, thus wasting their own and the rest of our party’s time (the ironic part was that we still got swamp when we went in anyway). In other cases, it isn’t uncommon to see a party enter and quit fractals multiple times, over and over, until they get swamp.

To me, this is counter productive, because often a player might spend more time looking for the swamp, or looking for a group that has it ready, than they would have spent simply joining another group instantly and completing another fractal.

“LFG Zerker only pls! Gear Check.”

It’s odd enough that players would go so far as to gear check their fellow party members just to make sure they get their ideal party formation. But, this message is even more strange and funny when you see it while looking for a group for an easy and fast dungeon route, like CoF P1.

In many cases, you actually lose more time waiting for the ideal zerker party than you save with the extra dps, especially for shorter dungeon paths.

“LFP, 2 Warriors, 1 Mesmer, 1 Guard only!” (example)

This is by far the most hilarious kind of LFG message. Almost every time I see this kind of message where people demand X number of X kind of class, the people I see join that party never meet the requirements anyway.

Aside from that, the sheer amount of time people like this spend waiting for their ideal group formation often far exceeds the gain. I’ve had situations where I’ve gone onto LFG to join a fractal, seen a group ad like the one mentioned above, joined a completely different group that doesn’t have such stringent requirements, and have completed the first fractal already, all the while their group still hasn’t filled yet.

“LFG, 5000AP + only”

In this last case, I can only question why players fall under the belief that somehow, someone’s AP count is an accurate representation of their skill level. I actually have a guildy who only started doing fractals when they had around 8000 AP. They hadn’t done it sooner because they were a bit anxious about them, so they put them off for quite a long time. On the other hand, I’ve also played with people who have less than 3000 AP’s, who have already done a lot of fractal runs, because they start them the moment they hit level 80 and do them daily.

So, not only are AP’s in no way a representation of player skill (mostly because acquiring AP’s in itself often does not require any skill), but they also in no way indicate whether a player has even played a particular kind of content at all, nor hint at how often they play it if they do. Once again this is a case where players are just wasting their own time by trying to put unnecessary and often impractical restrictions on party requirements in LFG.

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Posted by: fireflyry.7023

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In a game without trinity players will create their own requirements for acceptance to the group. It has little to do with overall efficiency as opposed to misinterpretations of what constitutes a more likely success rate and faster run.

In saying while your downsides to such prerequisites are valid they more often than not save more time than hinder me thinks, hence they are so often voiced. If overall they were detrimental to forming an effective team they wouldn’t exist at all, outside the exceptions you have given.

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Posted by: DonQuack.9025

DonQuack.9025

“LFG Zerker only pls! Gear Check.”
Under the strange assumption that I want to run quickly more than I want to run with like minded players. also that depends on the group

“LFP, 2 Warriors, 1 Mesmer, 1 Guard only!” (example)
Under the strange assumption that I want to run quickly more than I want to run with a certain profession. Also RP runs/Testing something out

“LFG, 5000AP + only”
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. yolo

About the wasting time…. I/we are playing GW2 Im sure many a more successful person could say we are wasting our time. Ive spent hours wasting time looking for a duo partner when I could have just p2, gotten a full group and finished in 5 mins.

but then again without that patience I wouldnt have learned how to solo/ duo paths.

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Posted by: GOSU.9574

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“LFG Zerker only pls! Gear Check.”

Links gear in inventory, wears PVT

I don’t get the gear check. Really? It’s just insulting elitism that serves no purpose. If you want zerker geared, say so, but leave the “Gear Check” crap out. If I wanted to do dungeons and fractals, which I have 0 interest in, I would probably be very tempted to troll these groups.

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Posted by: DonQuack.9025

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Links gear in inventory, wears PVT

I don’t get the gear check. Really? It’s just insulting elitism that serves no purpose. If you want zerker geared, say so, but leave the “Gear Check” crap out. If I wanted to do dungeons and fractals, which I have 0 interest in, I would probably be very tempted to troll these groups.

Funny enough the reason there is a gear check is because people like you exist. dw Try wearing pvt in my nonexistant gear check groups. I have ways of telling.

Id call you a kitten but id get infracted. Whilst you can freely say “im gonna grief”

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Posted by: SpellOfIniquity.1780

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I say “No Mesmers” when I do TA (: Because their clones always range attack the vines and the vines spit more when they’re attacked from range.

Also, although it’s sometimes frustrating to read the messages people post, I don’t think it’s wrong. If it’s a PUG group you’re allowed to ask for what ever requirements you want. They don’t have to be right, they don’t even have to make sense. But if people don’t join, maybe you should reconsider what you’ve asked and say something a bit more PUG friendly. I find asking either [80’s], [80’s Experienced] or [80’s Experienced – Quick run] is good enough. People who specify things like “gear check”, “5000+AP”, etc. are kind of goofy to me but again, say what you want, just don’t expect your group to fill very quickly.

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Posted by: jackaljag.8637

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Sometimes it’s not just a matter of speed but also sparing yourself some frustration.

Speaking for myself, as someone who runs a good share of my dungeons with inexperienced, non-meta guildies and doesn’t mind in the least, when I want to pug a path (because I don’t have a lot of time, I’m tired, or am not in the mood to explain, etc) I want to run it quick and efficient and with minimum hassle, so that’s when that kind of LFG message is useful.

So yes, I can, and have, run CoF1 with every sort of party composition. I do, however, prefer it when we don’t almost wipe at the effigy like it happened two days ago because while I posted “p1 zerk” I didn’t bother gearchecking and it became very obvious that AT MOST one other person was using zerk gear and the other three were using random stuff (fun fact: when I was down and the other four up and attacking, the effigy was actually regenerating health).

Sure, you can run SE or CM without a guardian or a thief respectively. But there’s a chance with random pugs that things are going to go pear-shaped, and that’s not something I have the strength to deal with all the time, so I make a “p1, need guard” listing and kick if no one’s willing to change. (Alternatively I change classes, but not everyone can do that.)

And yeah, I’m willing to wait two minutes more to get people I don’t have to vent about in gchat after.

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Posted by: DarkWasp.7291

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Yeah, I’ve always thought it was funny too. I understand rolling swamp while waiting for people to join, or in my case I am running it with a friend but he’s in the bathroom before we get started so I use that time to try rolling swamp.

The three things that perplex me the most:

1. A rare CoF P2 run that goes fine until the defense phase. By some fluke, the NPC dies and we have to try again. One or two people quit, not only wasting all the progress they made but losing their position toward a quick resolution (trying once more then killing the boss and being done.)

2. TA forward path with a somewhat casual group and no thieves. We try running past mobs and one or two of us can’t make it. Under no circumstance can I get the group to just fight the mobs. They’ll sit for 15 minutes and watch the stragglers fail the run over and over, until someone finally says “I’ll hop on my theif” and we wait another 5 minutes for them to get out of the LA loading screen.

3. Arah, Lupicus. I have seen so many funny things happen here. In one case a guardian with a scepter tried to solo the boss at 50% HP when the rest of us were dead because he was afraid we’d lose all that time and progress (AKA the 20-40 seconds we spent meleeing the boss). Lupi ended up with 75% HP left (life drains?) before the guardian went down.

Then we had another case where one guy lagged out and we got Lupi down to 5% but then died. One of the other guys quit and another one went to change his class then suggested we range the boss instead. A new guy joined and told me to change my class (I was a ranger) then he voted to kick our lagged-out guy. We waited out the kick-notification then votekick the new guy. The class changing guy quits. The laggout guy comes back, a new ele joins our group and we 4-man Lupi and move on.

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Posted by: Danikat.8537

Danikat.8537

Whilst a lot of these seem silly to me I think it’s entirely up to each person to decide what to put in their group listings. If they spend longer finding a group than doing the dungeon that’s their choice.

And similarly if you don’t see a group you like you can make your own, and put anything you want in the description.

I have a friend who always puts something blatantly absurd in their listings. Like “Pink dye only pls, gear check” or “LF monk”. And funny enough they have had people change their dyes to join.

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Posted by: Thaddeus.4891

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“Fractal LvL X: Swamp ready!”
It depend on the level and the situation. When you do a high level, you want to start with swamp so you don’t end up with Urban, Cliffside, Volcanic and Mai Trin. Especially when you are with a pug group. The time you complete Urban in a pug, will probably superior than the time you find another group with swamp.

“LFG Zerker only pls! Gear Check.”
Completing a dungeon with a good full DPS group is just nice. I really like having a good party with everyone doing their job and having good build. It make it just so much nicer, fun and fast. But I don’t search for those. If i end up in a good party, nice. But I won’t wait for gear check. Still, I don’t mind if other ppl like that. From time to time, i join those group and I’m happy to comply and link my gear.

“LFP, 2 Warriors, 1 Mesmer, 1 Guard only!” (example)
This specific? That’s weird, never saw that. I can understand someone asking for 1 profession like a guardian or mesmer in Arah, SE or Fractal. Or a thief in fractal, CM or Arah. If your party lack a specific profession that can make your dungeon way easier. But to specific a complete group?? Never saw that, don’t really get it either.

“LFG, 5000AP + only”
Again? That discussion is still going on? Ya its a bad way to seperate good players vs noobs. But its the only we have. I don’t do that, but I don’t care if someone else want to do it. Can we pls stop with the AP LFG already.

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Posted by: Olvendred.3027

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Fully agree about the rolling swamp thing. It generally takes more time to get swamp up, than the minute or two saved by swamp being the fastest (and that only if players get it right the first time, which isn’t always guaranteed. Believe me, I’ve had some truly horrific pug runs in swamp).

Zerker groups are rarely necessary, but the gear check gives the hardcore dungeon crowd something to talk about, I guess. They never seem particularly communicative otherwise.

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Posted by: Sizer.5632

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“LFG Zerker only pls! Gear Check.”

Links gear in inventory, wears PVT

I don’t get the gear check. Really? It’s just insulting elitism that serves no purpose. If you want zerker geared, say so, but leave the “Gear Check” crap out. If I wanted to do dungeons and fractals, which I have 0 interest in, I would probably be very tempted to troll these groups.

You can go one step further and copy/paste the item # from the wiki into chat. Itd be hilarious to link ascended zerker armor in one of those groups while wearing rare soldiers gear. I bet 99% of those groups would never come close to noticing.

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Posted by: Danikat.8537

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2. TA forward path with a somewhat casual group and no thieves. We try running past mobs and one or two of us can’t make it. Under no circumstance can I get the group to just fight the mobs. They’ll sit for 15 minutes and watch the stragglers fail the run over and over, until someone finally says “I’ll hop on my theif” and we wait another 5 minutes for them to get out of the LA loading screen.

This is one thing that does really annoy me.

On one of my first TA runs I died after getting past the last of the enemies. I could see the 3 people who made it just down the slope and the guy who didn’t behind me, next to the last couple of enemies. I asked them to come and rez me (thinking then we could kill the nearest 2 enemies, rez the other guy and carry on) but the guy who had nominated himself to be in change said “we don’t go back” and I guess the other two were too intimidated to disobey. They decided it was more “efficient” to stand there doing nothing while me and one other guy tried the run twice more before finally getting it.

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Posted by: Conaywea.5062

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Yeah , when i see people asking for 5000 ap for AC story… What the F….

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Posted by: calyx.9086

calyx.9086

‘d rather spend 10 mins rolling swamp than doing another fractal first. I’ve done the other starting fractals maybe once (underwater?), and I’m lvl 50. Also, I only run with guildies, so we typically all roll at the same time and then join on whomever gets it first.

As for LF zerker groups, some of us just disagree with people on a fundamental level about the game with people who run a bad build and use bad gear. It’s not just about having quick runs, it’s about playing with people who have the same outlook on how the game should be played.

Group comps can be very important for some dungeons, they can mean the difference between it being a breeze or eating up way too much time. I’ll admit that many of these groups have bad ideas of what a good group comp is (hint: 4 warriors and a guard is not a good group comp).

As for the AP requirements, this one is just dumb. Some of the best dungeon runners I know have well under 5k because they do nothing but dungeons and don’t participate in any other content.

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Posted by: IndigoSundown.5419

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As to “Zerker only,” some players run lots of dungeons. If you get a good group for the first path of the day, might not those players (or some, at any rate) stick together and do multiple runs in different paths/dungeons? If so, they’d likely end up saving time over the entire play session.

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Posted by: Tenrai Senshi.2017

Tenrai Senshi.2017

“LFP, 2 Warriors, 1 Mesmer, 1 Guard only!” (example)
This specific? That’s weird, never saw that. I can understand someone asking for 1 profession like a guardian or mesmer in Arah, SE or Fractal. Or a thief in fractal, CM or Arah. If your party lack a specific profession that can make your dungeon way easier. But to specific a complete group?? Never saw that, don’t really get it either.

Yeah, strangely enough, I do see LFG messages that are this specific. Granted, it’s not that often but it does happen. I can also understand requesting a specific class now and then and I’ll often swap classes myself during certain fractals (like using thief in Dredge fractal, etc), but it really baffles me when people search for such specific groups from the offset and actually list each class they want.

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Posted by: Tenrai Senshi.2017

Tenrai Senshi.2017

Whilst a lot of these seem silly to me I think it’s entirely up to each person to decide what to put in their group listings. If they spend longer finding a group than doing the dungeon that’s their choice.

And similarly if you don’t see a group you like you can make your own, and put anything you want in the description.

I have a friend who always puts something blatantly absurd in their listings. Like “Pink dye only pls, gear check” or “LF monk”. And funny enough they have had people change their dyes to join.

I agree with you completely, and usually I make my own groups anyway. I was just listing it more for the interests of a discussion as opposed to anything else and I’m not looking down on anyone or how they play. I’ve just seen some strange things out there that confuse or amuse me sometimes. Lol.

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Posted by: Draknar.5748

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100% agree with OP. I’ve started and finished a CoF p1 run before a speedrunning group that demanded “xpert 10k AP zerk heavies only” even started.

What’s that saying? Cut your nose to spite your face? Something like that. That’s basically what they do for the sake of a “speedrun”.

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Posted by: fireflyry.7023

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Yeah, strangely enough, I do see LFG messages that are this specific. .

“Hey…I’m a female asuran Thief, bout 3’11, big blue eyes, love running fractals and occasionally doing the odd speed clear. Currently looking for a large Norn guardian, must like my mini-pets, have a zerky kinda build and be into walks on the beach while doing Teq runs and the movie “The Notebook” as it’s the best movie ever made…like…ever."

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Posted by: shion.2084

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In the risque section do you add that your deepest wish is to join with your soul mate to become one fleshy clipping blob, with four arms against a quiet, cozy, ambience ridden, dungeon pillar. The romance, just you, and a really frustrated champion standing 1 foot away who can’t seem to knock you back. Two against the world!

Yeah, strangely enough, I do see LFG messages that are this specific. .

“Hey…I’m a female asuran Thief, bout 3’11, big blue eyes, love running fractals and occasionally doing the odd speed clear. Currently looking for a large Norn guardian, must like my mini-pets, have a zerky kinda build and be into walks on the beach while doing Teq runs and the movie “The Notebook” as it’s the best movie ever made…like…ever."

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Posted by: Tao.5096

Tao.5096

You forgot about

  • META BUILD GEAR CHECK 7K AP+ OR KICK

Most hilarious thing I have ever read.

About that full zerk and as fast as possible to do.
We did once a pro Elite full Zerk party vs my normal Knight/cavalier mix, celestial and rabid geared people.

Took us 19sec longer to finish the same dungeon path.

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Posted by: Dave.2536

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“LFG Zerker only pls! Gear Check.”

Links gear in inventory, wears PVT

I don’t get the gear check. Really? It’s just insulting elitism that serves no purpose. If you want zerker geared, say so, but leave the “Gear Check” crap out. If I wanted to do dungeons and fractals, which I have 0 interest in, I would probably be very tempted to troll these groups.

You can go one step further and copy/paste the item # from the wiki into chat. Itd be hilarious to link ascended zerker armor in one of those groups while wearing rare soldiers gear. I bet 99% of those groups would never come close to noticing.

Do it and get kicked for having gear with no rune/sigil and obvious copy-pasting. We could even justify kicking you at the last boss for having so obviously wasted our time. (Would I take it this far? No, but I would zealously defend someone else who did)

For every fake pinger who joins a gear check group they’ve managed to filter out 10+ non-zerkers who either 1.) recognized the incompatibility, or 2.) did not have the willingness or knowledge to fake ping. Additionally, by fake pinging they at least fall into a higher category of non-zerker with their awareness of the situation and ability to read.

Also, notable missing QQ section in the OP: “LFM lvl 80 only”
Translation: “guys it’s only bad and wrong if I say it’s wrong”

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Posted by: oxtred.7658

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100% agree with OP. I’ve started and finished a CoF p1 run before a speedrunning group that demanded “xpert 10k AP zerk heavies only” even started.

What’s that saying? Cut your nose to spite your face? Something like that. That’s basically what they do for the sake of a “speedrun”.

If it asked for heavies, it wasn’t a speedrunning group.

Believe it or not but I ask for zerker gear check because they are far less toxic than other players. My runs are smooth and I make in game friends for further dungeoning, and I solo the dungeon while waiting for people anyway.

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Posted by: fireflyry.7023

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God.

Reminds me of “ping build” in GW1. If anyone ever asked me for a gear check in this game I’d leave the party faster than Charlie Sheen leaving rehab. What a bunch of dorks.

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Posted by: Mystic.5934

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“Fractal LvL X: Swamp ready!” – I could not agree more. plus, every time we do swamp, we always get cliffside and volcano or dredge next. I actually prefer starting with the underwater level. I can solo the first few groups of mobs and get to the final boss alone while waiting for people to join. However, if you’re willing to waste your time rolling for swamp, I’ll gladly join your party. I’d also join your party if you weren’t wasting your time.
Someone on reddit once did some math about if it’s better to restart fractals if you get dredge on the 3rd fractal. It was close, but they concluded that unless dredge takes you like more than like 82 minutes, it’s quicker to just run it. that data is out of date now that they updated that fractal, but was still interesting and the same math could be applied to other lineups.

“LFG Zerker only pls! Gear Check.” – I leave any group that even suggests party requirements. Even if I meet them. Because it’s elitists like that that will later leave from a single wipe, or kick people if they think the person isn’t pulling enough weight. I don’t want to have to deal with that.

“LFG, 5000AP + only” – I daydream of making a lfg with “20,000+AP only” as the requirement. or “must be less than 2,000 AP”. something unusual to throw people off. But if I did, I’m sure some would see it as acceptable and perpetuate the horrible practice. duuuuuude. I should make a party: “free 10g to anyone with less than 1,000 AP” :P

“Hey…I’m a female asuran Thief, bout 3’11, big blue eyes, love running fractals and occasionally doing the odd speed clear. Currently looking for a large Norn guardian, must like my mini-pets, have a zerky kinda build and be into walks on the beach while doing Teq runs and the movie “The Notebook” as it’s the best movie ever made…like…ever."

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Posted by: Malediktus.9250

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I am going to make a 25k+ AP party tomorrow and see what happens.

Once at Claw of Jormag event I advertised a 23k+ AP group and someone joined, so its definetly possible.

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Posted by: Draknar.5748

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100% agree with OP. I’ve started and finished a CoF p1 run before a speedrunning group that demanded “xpert 10k AP zerk heavies only” even started.

What’s that saying? Cut your nose to spite your face? Something like that. That’s basically what they do for the sake of a “speedrun”.

If it asked for heavies, it wasn’t a speedrunning group.

Believe it or not but I ask for zerker gear check because they are far less toxic than other players. My runs are smooth and I make in game friends for further dungeoning, and I solo the dungeon while waiting for people anyway.

I think they wanted to fill their last spots with heavies and not have a full heavy team. There were 2 eles and a mesmer in group IIRC. I think they kept losing one person here and there because of impatience. That’s my conclusion anyway.

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Posted by: Dalanor.5387

Dalanor.5387

Recent story.
Looking up LFG.
CoE p1 “zerker only 5k+ AP gearcheck”
Oh well, let’s try it.
Join, port inside.
Everybody is dead. At the very first mob pack. With 2 guardians in the party.
Leave party. Log out.
That decision was a good one.

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Posted by: narwhalsbend.7059

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It’s hard to compare GW1 dungeons to GW2 dungeons as they used to be somewhat difficult and long in GW1, but this was actually very valid in GW1 (especially for HM).

It was common to wait for what you want. You don’t want six wammos, a ranger, and an ele. When you did get a group composed of what you want, it was also common to be asked to ping your build. You don’t want your monks to be running Echo Mending or your warriors to be running Hamstorm.

Here in GW2, however, the dungeons are much shorter and often easier. Any player with some experience (not even experience in that dungeon) can complete a dungeon. The reason you see these people obsessed with the best possible party they can make is that they want to get the dungeon done as fast as possible and maximize their profit. To counter one of your points about how it might take longer to find the ideal party: perhaps they expect the party to be doing more than one path?

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Posted by: Davey.7029

Davey.7029

One of the funniest moment I had in fractals was when my group was in the LFG in the Old Tom fractal, and people were leaving one after another after they asked which fractal it was and we answered ‘2nd’.

Apparently for some players, starting from the 2nd fractal is not good enough, maybe they want to join a group already at the last boss…

People are strange.

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Posted by: Zui.9245

Zui.9245

One of the funniest moment I had in fractals was when my group was in the LFG in the Old Tom fractal, and people were leaving one after another after they asked which fractal it was and we answered ‘2nd’.

Apparently for some players, starting from the 2nd fractal is not good enough, maybe they want to join a group already at the last boss…

People are strange.

Harpy fractal is PUG killer. It’s probably why they left.

The harpies are ‘hard’ to kill without coordinated reflects, and ‘hard’ to stealth past when you have a thief because people think they drop worthwhile loot, because people are very bad at jumping, and because people in PUGs generally have no idea what a blast finisher is.

The champions are difficult, because people don’t know how to kite the Ettin or use reflects for the fire shaman, much less CC the bandit.

Old tom is ‘difficult’. People don’t know how to tank behind a guardian or an earth elemental, most people can’t find the sweet spot inside of Old Tom either (should doing so be needed). Plus most people in a PUG do very little damage, due to lack of might stacking, lack of proper skill rotations/weapon selection, lack of proper traits, and not being properly geared for PvE content. Did I mention most PUGs don’t even have the coordination to actually operate the fan properly?

The veteran golems are extremely ‘difficult’. Coordinated reflects on the Asura? LOL. Dodge projectiles when reflects down? LOL. Kill the golems quickly? LOL. Group them together? LOL. CC Baron von Scrufflebutt and/or dodge his unblockable unreflectable projectiles? Double LOL (once for kittenty projectile mechanics, once for how woefully your average PUG will perform here).

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Posted by: Tenrai Senshi.2017

Tenrai Senshi.2017

The reason you see these people obsessed with the best possible party they can make is that they want to get the dungeon done as fast as possible and maximize their profit. To counter one of your points about how it might take longer to find the ideal party: perhaps they expect the party to be doing more than one path?

If the party had any intention to do more than one path, then surely they would advertise such, wouldn’t they? When someone puts “CoF P1, Zerker Gear only, 5000AP+” (example), it gives no impression that they intend to do anything other than CoF P1. Considering how short CoF P1 and some other dungeon paths are, it just doesn’t make sense to wait so long over specific party requirements when you’d probably save time just going with a normal party and starting the dungeon immediately.

I could see you saving time on a longer run or on multiple runs with the same party, but for single path runs and for shorter dungeon paths, I reckon you lose more time waiting than you make up for with the marginally faster run.

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Posted by: Tenrai Senshi.2017

Tenrai Senshi.2017

I am going to make a 25k+ AP party tomorrow and see what happens.

Once at Claw of Jormag event I advertised a 23k+ AP group and someone joined, so its definetly possible.

Tell us how the run goes and if it’s any better than average, or how long it takes to make the party, etc (assuming you manage to get a full party at all). It would be interesting to see if all those AP’s actually make any considerable difference.

Though I must say that on occasion I’ve had people with 20k+ AP’s in fractals who die constantly and who were outplayed by other party members with less than 4k AP’s.

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Posted by: Harper.4173

Harper.4173

Stuff

1) Spending more time looking for swamp is justified because swamp is an easy fractal that you can’t really fail unless your group is incredibly bad.

The fact that it might be a waste of time finding it is off balanced by the fact that once you get it it’s pretty fast and painless to complete it.

2)Again – zerker gear is an indication of a player’s commitment to the meta. A committed meta player has more chances of having the same goals and methods as other committed meta players.

Put shortly – if they’re running meta gear there’s a chance they’re also of a similar mind with you – which means they probably want to get things done as fast and with as little effort as possible.

It also means they probably know the encounter beforehand.

These aren’t guaranteed but it’s a bigger chance with a player in full zerker than a player in other gear simply because the zerker one at least cared enough to be meta when showing up.

3)This is false. A lot of times i make these sorts of posts and people do join up with the right classes.
If they don’t – you kick and move on.

I would again rather wait tabbed out reading something for the ideal party with the right people and then have a fun, fast and painless run rather than keep trying over and over with people I didn’t choose or want in the party.

4)AP – is not a measure of skill level but it can be a pretty decent measure of interest in the game. The more AP you have the more AP you must have gained playing. This means I can with a margin of error determine how long you’ve been playing and how invested in the game you are.

There are no guarantees but higher AP usually means a more invested player – and an invested player is usually both experienced with his class, usual gameplay elements and the encounters because they’ve been playing a long time and done the content multiple times.

If a person has 8k AP. And another person has 16k AP. The 16k guy is almost always a better bet for a better, more efficient and knowledgeable player.

If for no other reason than time played.

While I understand what you say in your example let me offer a counter :

A player with 20k AP has spent enough time in the game that there’s a good chance he’s at least done fractals before.

A player with 3K AP – you can make the same assumption but the chance isn’t that good. He simply hasn’t played enough.

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Posted by: nexxe.7081

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This is why i’m in favor for an automatic grouping tool, like most MMOs use. GW2 still seems to be stuck in 2004 without this feature. There’s a reason developers made it automatic. It’s more efficient, less spam shouting “LFG”, and eliminates elitists from the public, all the while still leaving them to form their own groups. The fanboys will reject all of this though, without a proper rebuttal.

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Posted by: JCROY.5730

JCROY.5730

“LFG, 5000AP + only”
“A player with 3K AP – you can make the same assumption but the chance isn’t that good. He simply hasn’t played enough.”

Both are BS..
I had a fellow guildmember who has 3 different accounts (for reasons only known to him)
He RULEZ this game..no matter what you want; Wvw, JP’s, PvE, PvP..he knows what to do and how. he solo’s several dungeon paths just for the fun of it; naked
Now, on his newest account, he has a charr lvl 80..but with very little AP..and you telling me because he has low AP..he does not know what to do and therefore cannot be a worthy addition to any group ? LMAO

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Posted by: Davey.7029

Davey.7029

One of the funniest moment I had in fractals was when my group was in the LFG in the Old Tom fractal, and people were leaving one after another after they asked which fractal it was and we answered ‘2nd’.

Apparently for some players, starting from the 2nd fractal is not good enough, maybe they want to join a group already at the last boss…

People are strange.

Harpy fractal is PUG killer. It’s probably why they left.

The harpies are ‘hard’ to kill without coordinated reflects, and ‘hard’ to stealth past when you have a thief because people think they drop worthwhile loot, because people are very bad at jumping, and because people in PUGs generally have no idea what a blast finisher is.

The champions are difficult, because people don’t know how to kite the Ettin or use reflects for the fire shaman, much less CC the bandit.

Old tom is ‘difficult’. People don’t know how to tank behind a guardian or an earth elemental, most people can’t find the sweet spot inside of Old Tom either (should doing so be needed). Plus most people in a PUG do very little damage, due to lack of might stacking, lack of proper skill rotations/weapon selection, lack of proper traits, and not being properly geared for PvE content. Did I mention most PUGs don’t even have the coordination to actually operate the fan properly?

The veteran golems are extremely ‘difficult’. Coordinated reflects on the Asura? LOL. Dodge projectiles when reflects down? LOL. Kill the golems quickly? LOL. Group them together? LOL. CC Baron von Scrufflebutt and/or dodge his unblockable unreflectable projectiles? Double LOL (once for kittenty projectile mechanics, once for how woefully your average PUG will perform here).

So in short, this game is too difficulty. Lol, maybe for the new generation of gamers who don’t like to be challenged. I personally play games to be entertained and to be challenged. I thought that was the whole point of playing a game!

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Posted by: Lishtenbird.2814

Lishtenbird.2814

Sometimes it’s not just a matter of speed but also sparing yourself some frustration.

This. I can chat with guildies while waiting for another party member get swamp, or refine mats, or go get a drink. Some other run I’ll be the one who rolls, and other people can relax and have fun. And we know that we can do swamp fast and efficiently, unlike many other starting fractals.

Same with speedclears. After 6-7 minute CoF p1 runs and many, many iterations of the same dungeon, it really feels frustrating to spend almost an hour (!) on p1 and p2 with clueless people. So yes, it makes sense to chill out a bit waiting for a group rather than wasting time in the dungeon.

Gearcheck: I never go that far, but there are a lot of casuals who have no idea they can ping something different. It filters them, or at least a part of them.

AP: has been discussed countless times. Yes, it is not the ultimate measurement, but 1-3kAPs are far, far often slow and clueless compared to 8-10kAPs.

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Posted by: Tenrai Senshi.2017

Tenrai Senshi.2017

3)This is false. A lot of times i make these sorts of posts and people do join up with the right classes.
If they don’t – you kick and move on.

Just because in your experience, something didn’t happen, that doesn’t mean it is false. I’m basing what I said on my observations, and I’ve often seen groups looking for specific classes filled with completely different classes to the ones they are looking for. That much is certainly true and I’m sure you’d also notice similar cases yourself if you just took a look through the LFG system.

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Posted by: Dave.2536

Dave.2536

3)This is false. A lot of times i make these sorts of posts and people do join up with the right classes.
If they don’t – you kick and move on.

Just because in your experience, something didn’t happen, that doesn’t mean it is false. I’m basing what I said on my observations, and I’ve often seen groups looking for specific classes filled with completely different classes to the ones they are looking for. That much is certainly true and I’m sure you’d also notice similar cases yourself if you just took a look through the LFG system.

People may end up taking different classes for various reasons.

1.) They just wanted to create a filter that made it more likely (read: not “guaranteed”) to get the classes they wanted, without any intention of actually kicking.

2.) They decided they’d been waiting too long already and were ready to take the first person who joined.

3.) The person who joined displayed other factors that mitigated being on the wrong class (i.e., has plenty of AP, appears to have a meta skill/weapon setup, air of confidence and experience).

This whole thread is basically A.) you arguing that these filters do not guarantee faster and better runs, and B.) others arguing that a guarantee isn’t necessary, and probable/very probable were good enough. Meanwhile, pretty much all evidence presented on both sides regarding total time spent has been completely anecdotal (I will argue why it may be irrelevant later) and does little to sway one side to the other.

Now, my own two cents.

Total time (waiting + running) can be irrelevant to some groups. This is because the waiting time does not require much focus at all. Players can use this time to take a break, take care of their inventory, manage their TP transactions.

Good players offer a potential to skip the LFG system in the next path, or even in future dungeons. When I do CoE I start with P2 and apply thorough filters (experienced zerkers please). P2/P3 filter out anyone who can’t dodge Alpha, and this is reinforced by the rest of the post. Having done all this, I will most likely end up with a group that 1.) will stay for P1/P3, and 2.) knows what “4-1” means in P1.

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Posted by: Harper.4173

Harper.4173

“LFG, 5000AP + only”
“A player with 3K AP – you can make the same assumption but the chance isn’t that good. He simply hasn’t played enough.”

Both are BS..
I had a fellow guildmember who has 3 different accounts (for reasons only known to him)
He RULEZ this game..no matter what you want; Wvw, JP’s, PvE, PvP..he knows what to do and how. he solo’s several dungeon paths just for the fun of it; naked
Now, on his newest account, he has a charr lvl 80..but with very little AP..and you telling me because he has low AP..he does not know what to do and therefore cannot be a worthy addition to any group ? LMAO

I’m saying if he has low AP there’s a bigger chance he’s just new to the game and no on an alternate account.
Sure he could be on an alternate account but the chance is smaller and it’s a chance I’m not going to take.

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Posted by: Harper.4173

Harper.4173

3)This is false. A lot of times i make these sorts of posts and people do join up with the right classes.
If they don’t – you kick and move on.

Just because in your experience, something didn’t happen, that doesn’t mean it is false. I’m basing what I said on my observations, and I’ve often seen groups looking for specific classes filled with completely different classes to the ones they are looking for. That much is certainly true and I’m sure you’d also notice similar cases yourself if you just took a look through the LFG system.

So why not just kick them? How is it a problem?

I LFG for a Guardian. A mesmer joins. I kick him – no problem.

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Posted by: johnnymiller.5968

johnnymiller.5968

“LFG Zerker only pls! Gear Check.”

Links gear in inventory, wears PVT

I don’t get the gear check. Really? It’s just insulting elitism that serves no purpose. If you want zerker geared, say so, but leave the “Gear Check” crap out. If I wanted to do dungeons and fractals, which I have 0 interest in, I would probably be very tempted to troll these groups.

You can go one step further and copy/paste the item # from the wiki into chat. Itd be hilarious to link ascended zerker armor in one of those groups while wearing rare soldiers gear. I bet 99% of those groups would never come close to noticing.

Ever noticed when a player links an item in chat they picked up or are wearing the font is gold. Where as if someone copy & pastes an item it shows up as white font. Saw this happen with dusk. Kind of a give away really.

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Posted by: Danikat.8537

Danikat.8537

“LFG Zerker only pls! Gear Check.”

Links gear in inventory, wears PVT

I don’t get the gear check. Really? It’s just insulting elitism that serves no purpose. If you want zerker geared, say so, but leave the “Gear Check” crap out. If I wanted to do dungeons and fractals, which I have 0 interest in, I would probably be very tempted to troll these groups.

You can go one step further and copy/paste the item # from the wiki into chat. Itd be hilarious to link ascended zerker armor in one of those groups while wearing rare soldiers gear. I bet 99% of those groups would never come close to noticing.

Ever noticed when a player links an item in chat they picked up or are wearing the font is gold. Where as if someone copy & pastes an item it shows up as white font. Saw this happen with dusk. Kind of a give away really.

I just tested it and it doesn’t work.

I copied and pasted the code for Dusk from the wiki in-game and it came up with orange text.

I’d guess what you’ve seen is someone posting the code for an item that could have several different tiers (like most looted items), and the code they copied happened to be for the white version.

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Posted by: johnnymiller.5968

johnnymiller.5968

“LFG Zerker only pls! Gear Check.”

Links gear in inventory, wears PVT

I don’t get the gear check. Really? It’s just insulting elitism that serves no purpose. If you want zerker geared, say so, but leave the “Gear Check” crap out. If I wanted to do dungeons and fractals, which I have 0 interest in, I would probably be very tempted to troll these groups.

You can go one step further and copy/paste the item # from the wiki into chat. Itd be hilarious to link ascended zerker armor in one of those groups while wearing rare soldiers gear. I bet 99% of those groups would never come close to noticing.

Ever noticed when a player links an item in chat they picked up or are wearing the font is gold. Where as if someone copy & pastes an item it shows up as white font. Saw this happen with dusk. Kind of a give away really.

I just tested it and it doesn’t work.

I copied and pasted the code for Dusk from the wiki in-game and it came up with orange text.

I’d guess what you’ve seen is someone posting the code for an item that could have several different tiers (like most looted items), and the code they copied happened to be for the white version.

Interesting as I saw it happen in the coil event farming. A player either picked up dusk or had in their inventory, link it, came up gold. Another person did the same & the text was white or black/white. Figured they pasted it from an external source.

Just tried it myself. Control & V. The text was black.

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Posted by: oxtred.7658

oxtred.7658

3)This is false. A lot of times i make these sorts of posts and people do join up with the right classes.
If they don’t – you kick and move on.

Just because in your experience, something didn’t happen, that doesn’t mean it is false. I’m basing what I said on my observations, and I’ve often seen groups looking for specific classes filled with completely different classes to the ones they are looking for. That much is certainly true and I’m sure you’d also notice similar cases yourself if you just took a look through the LFG system.

So why not just kick them? How is it a problem?

I LFG for a Guardian. A mesmer joins. I kick him – no problem.

It’s rather: I lfg for a guardian. Several upleveled rangers join. A warrior with dolyak signet enters and spam me because I kick him. A guard enters with a staff and proceed to wipe at the first trash, then leave. I lfg again, get a few upleveled joining and quitting without a word. I get a few eles. Some random joins and asks for a taxi for the fgs farm. Necro joins. A guard come, ping condi gear. At this point, 2 of the pugs I had quitted because they kept dying. I lfg for “zerk, meta”, etc. I get full ptv guys not speaking english. At this point the dungeon is done and I don’t bother.

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Posted by: Mystic.5934

Mystic.5934

“LFG Zerker only pls! Gear Check.”

Links gear in inventory, wears PVT

I don’t get the gear check. Really? It’s just insulting elitism that serves no purpose. If you want zerker geared, say so, but leave the “Gear Check” crap out. If I wanted to do dungeons and fractals, which I have 0 interest in, I would probably be very tempted to troll these groups.

You can go one step further and copy/paste the item # from the wiki into chat. Itd be hilarious to link ascended zerker armor in one of those groups while wearing rare soldiers gear. I bet 99% of those groups would never come close to noticing.

Ever noticed when a player links an item in chat they picked up or are wearing the font is gold. Where as if someone copy & pastes an item it shows up as white font. Saw this happen with dusk. Kind of a give away really.

I just tested it and it doesn’t work.

I copied and pasted the code for Dusk from the wiki in-game and it came up with orange text.

I’d guess what you’ve seen is someone posting the code for an item that could have several different tiers (like most looted items), and the code they copied happened to be for the white version.

Interesting as I saw it happen in the coil event farming. A player either picked up dusk or had in their inventory, link it, came up gold. Another person did the same & the text was white or black/white. Figured they pasted it from an external source.

Just tried it myself. Control & V. The text was black.

if you type “[Dusk]”, it will come out as normal chat color. copy/paste will just copy the text, not the linked-ness of it.
if you type “[&AgEBcgAA]”, it will come out as if you linked Dusk from your inventory

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Posted by: DonQuack.9025

DonQuack.9025

kicked a lvl 47.
I smiled. Couple people rq the party but I dont care.

Cant read my lfg = confirmed cant read and thus not even sure how playing game= some sort of bot.

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Posted by: Tenrai Senshi.2017

Tenrai Senshi.2017

3)This is false. A lot of times i make these sorts of posts and people do join up with the right classes.
If they don’t – you kick and move on.

Just because in your experience, something didn’t happen, that doesn’t mean it is false. I’m basing what I said on my observations, and I’ve often seen groups looking for specific classes filled with completely different classes to the ones they are looking for. That much is certainly true and I’m sure you’d also notice similar cases yourself if you just took a look through the LFG system.

So why not just kick them? How is it a problem?

I LFG for a Guardian. A mesmer joins. I kick him – no problem.

I don’t know. I never form parties that ask for specific numbers of specific classes. I’m only referencing my observations, that’s all. People create a LFG with specific party class requirements, and then different classes fill it anyway. They don’t appear to kick those members so it just makes me question why they put up the requirements in the first place. O_o

I’m not saying it’s a problem or anything. I think some people have misread the purpose of my original post. Lol.