Guild Wars 2

- Personally I dont mind the plush toy backpacks. Women DO play this game you know, not to sound sexist.
- As for endgame content, I agree but since it is a B2P I dont mind waiting patiently for the next expansion / major update.
- As for SAB being a month long event, I have problems with the discordant aesthetics and immersion breaking factor. Just a tot experiment, what if Irrational Games created the equivalent of SAB DLC for Bioshock Infinite? I personally wouldn’t mind but I have a strong feeling that the players of that game will.

+1 to the OP
i hope anet will read this

ThiBash.5634:

If you call everyone who doesn’t agree with you an idiot ‘in advance’ then you don’t deserve to be taken seriously in my opinion. regardless of wheter your post makes sense, regardless of wheter you may actually have a few valid points.

Fair comment, point taken. Original post edited accordingly

You should go underwater near the Asuran gates in Lions Arch, you’ll see the ruins of the old Lions Arch in GW1.

I sort of agree, you always felt the game world in GW1 was alive regardless of how heavily instanced it was. White Mantle near Kryta and expedition-ing into the Maguuma, it all felt very pressing. The missions in that area of GW1, i still remember them fondly. It seems that the story was so much more realistic, believable, and urgent in GW1. The Shiverpeak missions, Borlis Pass, the beginning missions in old Ascalon. Just thinking back, they really instilled the game with such a rich sense of narrative depth. I dont feel anything like that in GW2, it all feels really contrived. I understand what TC is saying, i understand Anet needs to sell Quaggan backpacks, but still..the integrity of this games’ “living world” is a lot less intact than that of GW1. It feels cheap here.

I becoz this game haz no Gangnam Style dance. Y no Minecraft references?

You get the idea of what the target market is …

I had problems with immersion in Guild Wars 1 too….like no cities at all. What was LA in Guild Wars 1? After all the build up I finally get there and there are some guys standing around and some guys selling stuff in front of tents. No houses, no buildings, no structures you can enter. It was very anti-climatic for me to reach LA. The first thing that looked like a city didn’t come in Till Factions, with KC and that was the last city in the game. I have friends with back yards as big as LA was.

Shame you didn’t bother following the lore, or you’d know why LA looks the way it does. It was destroyed by a tidal wave, and rebuilt from the wrecks of boats over time. As for story tellling, yes, I agree the overall story was probably better in Guild Wars 1…but Prophecies by itself had some glaring errors. Matter of opinion I suppose.

I hated that I knew a bad guy when I saw one but my characters were so stupid they trusted everyone. I hated every mission in the Maguuma Jungle. Pure filler. Ways to slow down the game.

I didn’t love the missions in the Southern Shiverpeaks either. The story telling was okay..not brilliant in Guild Wars 1.

Here the stories and information is more hidden. It isn’t in your face. I sorta like that.

I do prefer the types of cut scenes they had in GW 1 better, but I understand why it had to change.

Anyway, if they lost you they lost you. Leaving threads are generally locked, so have fun wherever you end up.

tolunart.2095:

TL: DR This game is worthless because it has things in it that I don’t like. If you disagree with me you are stupid. No response necessary, I’m just looking for attention.

Basically this. I probably would have had more respect for the OP if he admit that it was his personal dislike of the game rather then trying to blame anet for not making a game to HIS liking and that he is either too young or closed off to enjoy the 8 bit games of his time.

The artistic quality of LA in GW2 definitely gave me a WOW but once it wore off I can also see why you’d call it a “garbage dump”. I don’t agree with Orr though; I don’t see why an undead wasteland can’t be grounds for endgame content.

Endgame content is also definitely a problem. The bandaid that is the fractals kept me grinding for a good 2-3 months until I became so sick of it I never went back again. I still don’t have dungeon master because while I’ve grinded TA and Arah for my weapons and armor, the other dungeons don’t have anything enticing for me whether it be the story or the combat. If I were half as decent in playing the TP as I am with PvP I probably would’ve never gone to any of the dungeons.

I don’t see the laurels as any kind of problem but I do see the guild commendations (especially as it is the ONLY cost-efficient way of attaining ascended accessories for those who don’t have ascended rings already) as being a stupid idea. Promoting guild teamwork is great. Rewarding it is even better. But why make your personal character gear grinding dependent on whether you can show up at a certain time every week? A lot of people think this system forces small guilds to suffer but being a member of a big guild that has to organize hundreds of people is equally as hard. People will miss out every week and scheduling make-ups is even harder. Should’ve kept guild currencies for trading guild-related goods only.

I don’t see it as a problem of micro-transactions as much as it is “that guy” that designed the armor skins. Unless “that guy” was intentionally making all the armor skins as ugly as they look now to force people to use transmutation stones, at least make the armor skins somewhat appealing. The same goes for weapons. Either I played too many Korean games with awesome (not just skimpy and sexy) armor skins, or the majority of GW2 players who don’t have a problem with the skins have really, really, really bad taste.

And finally the SAB. Start off, I’m completely uninterested. I played it exactly 3 times and never went back. Impressions: I think it’s great. It’s all retro and a lot of people would like it. The skins are actually decent too (by decent I mean it just glows a lot. Overall design is still too plain). BUT, I think the content was a little too much for an April fool’s joke. It seems like someone really wanted to give a speech at a wedding and everybody’s looking at him going, “who the hell is he?” For all the complaints on the forums, I think a lot of that time could’ve been spent elsewhere. If the game was a lot more mature and had a steady, stable, and satisfied playerbase this kind of content would be something players would rave about for months on end.

If we’re losing someone who refers to those with whom he disagrees as “fanbois and losers” I’d say good riddance.

I guess if you don’t follow the Lore of the universe then yes, LA makes no sense what so ever. But that’s like taking a plane to a Japan after the Tsunami and wondering why everything’s been wrecked.

LA, along with the entire coast line north of the Orrian Peninsula was hit by a Tsunami. LA and entire villages were washed away. People were displaced and homeless and desperate, and with no Lionguard, it would quickly become a land ripe for the picking for pirates and brigands. And where better to base your operations than in the submerged capital of a city?

I’m gonna tell it straight as a vet Guild Wars 1 player. The Art Direction in this game is fantastic. The point I give you is Orr, but that’s to be expected because Anet have always loved their ‘Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here’ endgame (Imperial Palace was the exception that proved the rule). From the depressing colour palettes of Straits and Malchor’s to the sudden bright and vivid tones of the Cursed Shores, the place is just down right depressing and I genuinely do tend to avoid those maps more than any other.

The Guild Wars Universe has always maintained my interest by the amount of humourous content it has. And maybe it’s because SAB is a throw back to my gaming as kid, but I like it. It’s Pastiche and if I’m able to spend hours in there whacking at bunnies with sticks then all the better.

Also I seem to enjoy most everything that you seemed to hate. So I’m not gonna go much further because frankly this entire thread is really just an opinion discussion. Not that it’s bad, we’re all welcome to our opinions, it’s just very difficult to form a constructive debate around it because of how closely we hold our opinions and tend to defend them. At the end of the day it’s all about taste, and I enjoy GW2 immensely, sorry to hear that you don’t.

Vayne.8563:

I had problems with immersion in Guild Wars 1 too….like no cities at all. What was LA in Guild Wars 1? After all the build up I finally get there and there are some guys standing around and some guys selling stuff in front of tents. No houses, no buildings, no structures you can enter. It was very anti-climatic for me to reach LA. The first thing that looked like a city didn’t come in Till Factions, with KC and that was the last city in the game. I have friends with back yards as big as LA was.

I’m glad to see/read that I’m not the only one who felt that way about Lion’s Arch in Guild Wars 1.

That was one of the few things that WoW had over GW1 (except for Kaineng City in Factions) – in WoW, the cities actually looked and felt like cities.

I agree OP. I felt way more immersed in GW1’s Tyria than GW2’s.

Khal Drogo.9631:

- Personally I dont mind the plush toy backpacks. Women DO play this game you know, not to sound sexist.
- As for endgame content, I agree but since it is a B2P I dont mind waiting patiently for the next expansion / major update.
- As for SAB being a month long event, I have problems with the discordant aesthetics and immersion breaking factor. Just a tot experiment, what if Irrational Games created the equivalent of SAB DLC for Bioshock Infinite? I personally wouldn’t mind but I have a strong feeling that the players of that game will.

played bioshock infinite. It was already ruined by a plothole ridden ending. I wouldn’t mind if they added sab there.

DYSEQTA.1643:

Was a big fan of GW1, played it for years. Loved the story that was built, loved the world that was created.

GW2 comes along and although I initially had some concerns about the major changes to game play I found it it to be a worthy successor and quite a feat from the point of view of content available at release.

However as time went on I found I that my connection with this new world of Tyria was falling away, despite the added detail and vibrancy of environments and the grand story telling. All in all I have come to see GW2 as a series of major mistakes which has taken a fantasy world I was once engaged in and turned into something I just don’t even remotely care about.

It all started with Lions Arch. The first time I entered Lions Arch I remember thinking “WTF is this kitten??”. Then I heard some crap about pirates and rescues and whatever and sort of shrugged it off. But even now after who knows how long playing this game I still don’t really know how pirates ended up all over Tyria, let alone apparently ruling the world capital city err…garbage dump, yes Lions Arch looks like a garbage dump. I see that as a mistake.

After Lions Arch the next big one was the undead and the waste land that is Orr. I have no problem with the storyline around Orr and all that. I simply think that putting your highest level areas in what amounts to a garbage dump (oh yay another garbage dump) full of rotting dead things is hardly likely to encourage players to spend large amounts of time playing there. I see that as a mistake.

Then there is the what to do at level 80 problem. Yes, it is a problem. If WvWvW is meant to be end game content then it needs one hell of a lot more attention than it is currently getting. If dungeons are meant to be end game content then you need to make a lot more of them. Fractals are just a really obvious “bandaid” on a problem that isn’t going to go away. Some would argue that that bandaid is now just going to cause more problems due to the ascendant gear and all the “fixing” thats had to go on to try to appease players who felt they were being shortchanged. Now we have an ever growing number of currencies, as that seems to be the answer to everything now. “Meh, just create another currency so people have to do something else to get what they want”. I see this as a mistake.

But for me one of the biggest mistakes of all is the micro-transaction business model and how it’s influenced the game negatively. Its not so much about the obvious attempts to steer people to the store: Chests, highest level crafted gear all ugly as fuq effectively forcing the use of transmute stones that are handed out extremely rarely, etc That is just annoying. It’s the ridiculousness of cosmetic items that are completely loreless. Yes I’m very sure that in any believable fantasy world holy warriors would rage into battle with a plush toy attached to their backs… That just completely ruins the illusion. I don;t have a problem with micro-transaction models. Developers need to get paid, how is neither here nor there to me but when that method starts to screw with the world its in then yes I have a problem with it.

Last but be no means the least is the SAB. My god dudes, WTF were you thinking with that? The release of that content has now completely destroyed this fantasy world and reduced it to a bad joke. Sorry but that is really how I feel. It is just so completely wrong it just boggles my mind…

Now I am quite sure the posts following this will be full to the brim with fanbois and others all jumping in to flame the kitten our of me and I really am not concerned. This message is aimed at the developers as feedback. I hope that maybe they can refocus their priorities and get this world back on track but unfortunately I think it is already done for.

I never played GW1 but from what I hear it’s a great game.

Khal Drogo.9631:

- Personally I don’t mind the plush toy backpacks. Women DO play this game you know, not to sound sexist.

You do sound incredibly sexist though. I, frankly hate the backpacks. I think they are tacky and would never wear one.

Snow White.9680:

Khal Drogo.9631:

- Personally I don’t mind the plush toy backpacks. Women DO play this game you know, not to sound sexist.

You do sound incredibly sexist though. I, frankly hate the backpacks. I think they are tacky and would never wear one.

Agreed I never got any gender references from them and actually think they were one of the better things in the gem shop.

agree that we’d need more dungeon with a mor variable difficulty
instead of all the living world stuff that is quite boring imho .-.

I agree, for myself, the sheer number of cutesy items just keeps ripping me away from feeling part of a world. It is like this is a caricature of GW1, and not a sequel.

Plushy backpacks are cute. My boys had them at like.. 3-4 years old. And outgrew them shortly after. I am amazed that people take time and effort to make a heroic looking character, and then slap this toddler pack on them.

SAB stuff just wearies me. It does not fit in this world. Period. It is jarring, and an eyesore.

Personally, Im not part of the demographic that thinks apparel being on fire is awesome. To me, its like, rolling and screaming time. I’m also not part of the demographic that thought buster sized swords were anything but ridiculous.

I would not mind so much if there were alternatives. I would love to purchase a backpack that wasn’t some idiotic “theme” but instead something fitting. I would buy a quiver in a heartbeat. (and yes, I know there is an ascended quiver and ugly guild packs)

I guess as well, I’m a bit sick of the unrelenting particle spam and effects, and wish fervently there were some control over them (as in many other games). It is as if they are so proud of their ooooo shinyspam they don’t want anyone able to turn it off.

I always felt a part of the GW1 world. In GW2 I feel as if I am a reluctant spectator. The game, their shiny effects, their cute creations and retro funk is the main character, and I’m just here to supposedly gaze in awe at it.

The art is wonderful. So is the world, so are the characters. And because of that, some of the horrendous additions to this are akin to slapping a clown wig and shoes on Michelangelo’s “David”

DYSEQTA, I totally agree with everything you said. I also think you are right to expect criticism. Boat-rockers in this forum usually get a ration of hate.

This week, when ANet released more unrelated trivia in the upgrade to SAB, I got livid. I paid 80 bucks for a special edition of a game in 2013 and now they spend their work time re-creating a flat-dimension game from the 1990’s.

I don’t resent Mario Brothers, what I resent is the work time spent on Mario Brothers while the polymock arena has sat un-finished from the beginning and the the map is incomplete. While there are so many issues in the current GW2 game that need work, the developers of the game I purchased are showing signs they lack the creativity to create their own material. Working on the mechanics of a 1990 game looks like an exercise in self-gratification for a developer who can’t imagine the future.

The website in the lead-up to release of GW2 gave clues. Two of them: GW2, as described in the philosophy and shown in the fantastic screenshots and videos, was going to blow other games out of the water and 2) The developers of the game were so wrapped up in the pleasure they were having, creating GW2, they almost forgot to publish it. I should have known that self-gratification would win when the new wore off of GW2. It didn’t occur to me they would start playing, and creating updates for, a game they played when they were children.

Me, I have been reduced to completing the dailies and then rushing off to Aion, TERA, GW1 and even the worst game in the world, Lineage II. GW2 is beautiful and I love the mobility of it, even if I’m not a good jumper. But, so much of the game needs work to become the game they promised. I thought GW2 would be a 2013 game, looking to being an innovator into the future, not reminiscing about the past.

I am too embarrassed to admit how much money I have spent buying gems…. but I can say its more than my previous monthly fee I paid to play Lineage II in the day. I have been a loyal player, spending more time playing GW2 than is healthy. But it’s all changing.

I don’t complain to gratify my opinion…. from me it’s more a cry for help from the developers to do justice to the game. They really need to review the pre-game website leadup. Maybe their motivation would be more focused. If we don’t publish our opinions they might think we like it, accept it, or don’t care. I care a lot.

Boinky.4092:

This week, when ANet released more unrelated trivia in the upgrade to SAB, I got livid. I paid 80 bucks for a special addition of a game in 2013 and now they spend their work time re-creating a flat-dimension game from the 1990’s.

Setting aside your misconception of “their work”, you seem to be implying that they should only work on content you like. There are more people than yourself playing Guild Wars 2. And believe it or not, not all of them like the same sort of stuff. ArenaNet is well within their right to work on aspects of the game that others enjoy, even if you do not.

Snow White.9680:

Khal Drogo.9631:

- Personally I don’t mind the plush toy backpacks. Women DO play this game you know, not to sound sexist.

You do sound incredibly sexist though. I, frankly hate the backpacks. I think they are tacky and would never wear one.

Neither would I, but my boyfriend loves them.

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

I agree, for myself, the sheer number of cutesy items just keeps ripping me away from feeling part of a world. It is like this is a caricature of GW1, and not a sequel.

Plushy backpacks are cute. My boys had them at like.. 3-4 years old. And outgrew them shortly after. I am amazed that people take time and effort to make a heroic looking character, and then slap this toddler pack on them.

SAB stuff just wearies me. It does not fit in this world. Period. It is jarring, and an eyesore.

Personally, Im not part of the demographic that thinks apparel being on fire is awesome. To me, its like, rolling and screaming time. I’m also not part of the demographic that thought buster sized swords were anything but ridiculous.

I would not mind so much if there were alternatives. I would love to purchase a backpack that wasn’t some idiotic “theme” but instead something fitting. I would buy a quiver in a heartbeat. (and yes, I know there is an ascended quiver and ugly guild packs)

I guess as well, I’m a bit sick of the unrelenting particle spam and effects, and wish fervently there were some control over them (as in many other games). It is as if they are so proud of their ooooo shinyspam they don’t want anyone able to turn it off.

I always felt a part of the GW1 world. In GW2 I feel as if I am a reluctant spectator. The game, their shiny effects, their cute creations and retro funk is the main character, and I’m just here to supposedly gaze in awe at it.

The art is wonderful. So is the world, so are the characters. And because of that, some of the horrendous additions to this are akin to slapping a clown wig and shoes on Michelangelo’s “David”

I don’t like jumping puzzles or SAB. But the world doesn’t revolve around my likes/dislikes. The game has enough of the things I love to keep me hooked, so ignore the things that weren’t meant for the kind of player I am (JPs, high-level Fractals, SAB-and I did play NES, just think it’s puzzles in 8 bit-disguise, would have preferred an actual NES game instead… :P) I wouldn’t buy a Quaggan bagpack, but many would and do, and who I am to tell other players how they should play/enjoy GW2?

In short, I don’t let the things I don’t like ruin the things I like, because people are different (as well they SHOULD) and prefer different things, and there’s enough content to cater to most player types out there. I can’t see the charm/fun in doing ten hour farm runs of CoF 1 in the prescribed “leet” format, yet it is “fun” to many-I avoid them and do something else instead. Some people adore high level Fractals play, along with the Ascended gear and all of that… it’s not for me, but I won’t leave the game just because it’s not an utter representation of what I would like the game to be-there’s way too much fun to be had in other areas of the game to focus too much on what I wish wasn’t in the game.

In a way, much like with personality types and different individuals, we should like GW2 for what it is, and not hate it just because it isn’t what we wish it was. In the latter case, it’s not that game is “wrong” for not being the way you want, but that in all probability, it isn’t meant for you then-which is also OK.

Jski.6180:

GW1 was micro-transaction business model too so i call BS on your post.

When did that start?

I do agree with him on some points. While I dont mind the whole transmutation stones, I find it hard for me to take the game seriously when I’m running around with a bunch of people, at least half of which are wearing a brightly colored stuff animal. I truely wish there was a way for me to disable what I see on other characters (such as hiding back items on other players). The story behind lions arc I can kind of see. It does feel a bit run down with everything being built out of salvaged materials (ships, metal, etc). I’d love to hear more behind the story of how the pirates got to control lions arc and how the rest of the world was ok with it.

Fractals are a bandaid. I saw this once they released it. They were so heavily against vertical progression and then they introduce a dungeon that is so obvious of a vertical progression it was obvious it was rushed.

SAB I can understand. Its does ruin the seriousness of the game. It is fun and I had a blast the few times I played it, but more serious and lore based content could have easily replaced it. I’m kind of not taking gw2 seriously anymore and just messing around half the time. Pretty much I see it as a very casual game.

Many people on the forums wont agree with what I say or a majority of the things op says, which is understandable. Anyone still on the forums probably enjoys playing the game. However, I find that large portion of Gw1 players and even entire guilds that transferred over from gw1 have quit the game and stopped playing, often with similar complaints.

DYSEQTA.1643:

Was a big fan of GW1, played it for years. Loved the story that was built, loved the world that was created.

GW2 comes along and although I initially had some concerns about the major changes to game play I found it it to be a worthy successor and quite a feat from the point of view of content available at release.

However as time went on I found I that my connection with this new world of Tyria was falling away, despite the added detail and vibrancy of environments and the grand story telling. All in all I have come to see GW2 as a series of major mistakes which has taken a fantasy world I was once engaged in and turned into something I just don’t even remotely care about.

It all started with Lions Arch. The first time I entered Lions Arch I remember thinking “WTF is this kitten??”. Then I heard some crap about pirates and rescues and whatever and sort of shrugged it off. But even now after who knows how long playing this game I still don’t really know how pirates ended up all over Tyria, let alone apparently ruling the world capital city err…garbage dump, yes Lions Arch looks like a garbage dump. I see that as a mistake.

After Lions Arch the next big one was the undead and the waste land that is Orr. I have no problem with the storyline around Orr and all that. I simply think that putting your highest level areas in what amounts to a garbage dump (oh yay another garbage dump) full of rotting dead things is hardly likely to encourage players to spend large amounts of time playing there. I see that as a mistake.

Then there is the what to do at level 80 problem. Yes, it is a problem. If WvWvW is meant to be end game content then it needs one hell of a lot more attention than it is currently getting. If dungeons are meant to be end game content then you need to make a lot more of them. Fractals are just a really obvious “bandaid” on a problem that isn’t going to go away. Some would argue that that bandaid is now just going to cause more problems due to the ascendant gear and all the “fixing” thats had to go on to try to appease players who felt they were being shortchanged. Now we have an ever growing number of currencies, as that seems to be the answer to everything now. “Meh, just create another currency so people have to do something else to get what they want”. I see this as a mistake.

But for me one of the biggest mistakes of all is the micro-transaction business model and how it’s influenced the game negatively. Its not so much about the obvious attempts to steer people to the store: Chests, highest level crafted gear all ugly as fuq effectively forcing the use of transmute stones that are handed out extremely rarely, etc That is just annoying. It’s the ridiculousness of cosmetic items that are completely loreless. Yes I’m very sure that in any believable fantasy world holy warriors would rage into battle with a plush toy attached to their backs… That just completely ruins the illusion. I don;t have a problem with micro-transaction models. Developers need to get paid, how is neither here nor there to me but when that method starts to screw with the world its in then yes I have a problem with it.

Last but be no means the least is the SAB. My god dudes, WTF were you thinking with that? The release of that content has now completely destroyed this fantasy world and reduced it to a bad joke. Sorry but that is really how I feel. It is just so completely wrong it just boggles my mind…

Now I am quite sure the posts following this will be full to the brim with fanbois and others all jumping in to flame the kitten our of me and I really am not concerned. This message is aimed at the developers as feedback. I hope that maybe they can refocus their priorities and get this world back on track but unfortunately I think it is already done for.

Don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.. Who are you to tell Anet what their priorities are? I am really tired of reading lame post such as these stating that you all know best concerning GW2.. Honestly.. they don’t need to listen and change the game on every tom, kitten and harry’s whim.. The game would be so messed up it wouldn’t even be fit to play anymore because of the lame crap you people ask for. Keep in mind they don’t make these games to evolve around you and you alone. This post is no different than the other thousands of post of this nature that populate this forum.. pfft

Eladriel.7295:

Don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.. Who are you to tell Anet what their priorities are? I am really tired of reading lame post such as these stating that you all know best concerning GW2.. Honestly.. they don’t need to listen and change the game on every tom, kitten and harry’s whim.. The game would be so messed up it wouldn’t even be fit to play anymore because of the lame crap you people ask for. Keep in mind they don’t make these games to evolve around you and you alone. This post is no different than the other thousands of post of this nature that populate this forum.. pfft

My $60 spent gives me the priority to tell them anything I kitten well please. And, yes, developers make games to make people happy. The only way to let them know if we are happy or not is to tell them.

Sorry you don’t like it that someone doesn’t like the game as much as you do. Pity.

clay.7849:

Eladriel.7295:

Don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.. Who are you to tell Anet what their priorities are? I am really tired of reading lame post such as these stating that you all know best concerning GW2.. Honestly.. they don’t need to listen and change the game on every tom, kitten and harry’s whim.. The game would be so messed up it wouldn’t even be fit to play anymore because of the lame crap you people ask for. Keep in mind they don’t make these games to evolve around you and you alone. This post is no different than the other thousands of post of this nature that populate this forum.. pfft

My $60 spent gives me the priority to tell them anything I kitten well please. And, yes, developers make games to make people happy. The only way to let them know if we are happy or not is to tell them.

Sorry you don’t like it that someone doesn’t like the game as much as you do. Pity.

there has been some wise words that I’ve heard:
give masses what you want to show and not what masses want, because if you give what masses want, masses will continue to ask for exactly the same things because they won’t know any better.
We all payed money for a product. We got that product. We don’t get to order the developers of the product. It would be the same as buying shoes and thinking that you made an impact great enough to be able to instruct shoe makers on how soles should be made, because YOU want them that way.

Mirta.5029:

clay.7849:

Eladriel.7295:

Don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.. Who are you to tell Anet what their priorities are? I am really tired of reading lame post such as these stating that you all know best concerning GW2.. Honestly.. they don’t need to listen and change the game on every tom, kitten and harry’s whim.. The game would be so messed up it wouldn’t even be fit to play anymore because of the lame crap you people ask for. Keep in mind they don’t make these games to evolve around you and you alone. This post is no different than the other thousands of post of this nature that populate this forum.. pfft

My $60 spent gives me the priority to tell them anything I kitten well please. And, yes, developers make games to make people happy. The only way to let them know if we are happy or not is to tell them.

Sorry you don’t like it that someone doesn’t like the game as much as you do. Pity.

there has been some wise words that I’ve heard:
give masses what you want to show and not what masses want, because if you give what masses want, masses will continue to ask for exactly the same things because they won’t know any better.
We all payed money for a product. We got that product. We don’t get to order the developers of the product. It would be the same as buying shoes and thinking that you made an impact great enough to be able to instruct shoe makers on how soles should be made, because YOU want them that way.

No, I do get a right to review everything and tell people my opinion. In fact, that very idea has changed the way companies are doing business in the last 5-10 years.

Maybe it’s just time for you to get hip to the times?

I can say whatever I kitten well please. I live in a country that allows me to do that. And, unless the moderators think I am being obnoxious, I get to do it here too. You don’t get to tell me what to do. Sorry you’re so upset.

clay.7849:

No, I do get a right to review everything and tell people my opinion. In fact, that very idea has changed the way companies are doing business in the last 5-10 years.

Maybe it’s just time for you to get hip to the times?

I can say whatever I kitten well please. I live in a country that allows me to do that. And, unless the moderators think I am being obnoxious, I get to do it here too. You don’t get to tell me what to do. Sorry you’re so upset.

1. You get a right to express an opinion, it doesn’t mean that just because you own their product they’re entitled to follow your opinion and please you and you alone. It’s their lore, their world and their story. They have every right to tell it how they want. The only way you can force them to follow your opinion is to buy the major part of the company shares. That’s all.
2. I’m not upset at all, but I do think that you think too highly of yourself and that you should feel the earth beneath your feet.

Mirta.5029:

clay.7849:

No, I do get a right to review everything and tell people my opinion. In fact, that very idea has changed the way companies are doing business in the last 5-10 years.

Maybe it’s just time for you to get hip to the times?

I can say whatever I kitten well please. I live in a country that allows me to do that. And, unless the moderators think I am being obnoxious, I get to do it here too. You don’t get to tell me what to do. Sorry you’re so upset.

1. You get a right to express an opinion, it doesn’t mean that just because you own their product they’re entitled to follow your opinion and please you and you alone. It’s their lore, their world and their story. They have every right to tell it how they want. The only way you can force them to follow your opinion is to buy the major part of the company shares. That’s all.
2. I’m not upset at all, but I do think that you think too highly of yourself and that you should feel the earth beneath your feet.

I never said they had to do what I want. I merely make suggestions about what I like and what I don’t like and what I would like to see done better.

I know they don’t have to do that.

I won’t apologize for my confident tone and general lack of caring what other people think.

Ok, can some just please explain to me how a place sunk into the dark abyssof the ocean for about 250(?) Years, d to the surfaceundead dragon (causing…i dont know…maybe a giant TIDAL WAVE that could hit cities near the coast), inhabitted by said dead dragon’s army of undead minions, shouldn’t be a bleak and desolate place?

darkace.8925:

Boinky.4092:

This week, when ANet released more unrelated trivia in the upgrade to SAB, I got livid. I paid 80 bucks for a special addition of a game in 2013 and now they spend their work time re-creating a flat-dimension game from the 1990’s.

Setting aside your misconception of “their work”, you seem to be implying that they should only work on content you like. There are more people than yourself playing Guild Wars 2. And believe it or not, not all of them like the same sort of stuff. ArenaNet is well within their right to work on aspects of the game that others enjoy, even if you do not.

I bought a product with years of advertising provided on a website, which purchase I based upon that advertising. In my opinion the product is no longer what they advertised in their lengthy presentation of what it would be. That, and the fact that my purchasing gems from their store supports the work they do, is the justification I claim for an opinion of the matter of their work ethic. When the work they do is not sufficient in my opinion, the best thing for me to do is stop supporting it. For that reason it is only fair I give them my opinion which they can use or throw away as they wish. (In other words, I was talking more to the developers of this game than to you or any other reader or writer of this forum, except to the person who began the thread who I wished to support.)

If I, and others who share my opinion, do not express our opinions, the developers might think we haven’t noticed they are re-vamping somebody else’s work instead of doing their own.

My opinion is not alone, as you can see in this thread… not only are their many who love to reminisce, there are many who would like to have the game they thought they were purchasing and would like to look ahead instead of back. It is my hope that enough people will express their opinions. Perhaps my opinion is in the majority and the developers will not be able to ignore it. To others who may fear being attacked in forum I ask you please to express it anyway. Let’s make a majority.

My best expression will be to stop buying gems, which I have done. And begin playing other games, which I am also doing. I will take what I like from the game, until I no longer like anything about it. Until then I will totally leave the support of “their work” to other employers.

And I will speak my mind whether you like it or not.

Mirta.5029:

We all payed money for a product. We got that product. We don’t get to order the developers of the product. It would be the same as buying shoes and thinking that you made an impact great enough to be able to instruct shoe makers on how soles should be made, because YOU want them that way.

The people posting here are (should be?) smart enough to realize this. They are doing the equivalent of standing on a mountaintop shouting random stuff just to hear it echo back at them. It’s harmless, and the devs have loads and loads of data such as how many purchases of quaggan backpacks were made from the gem store or how many times people have played the SAB to balance out the half dozen grumpy old men spitting out kittens here.

The game isn’t going to completely change just because RandomJoe.4931 said he doesn’t like Asuran cultural armor or something.

On the bright side, I believe everyone should learn how to laugh at themselves once in a while. If you haven’t learned how to do that yet, I’ll be happy to lend a hand an laugh at you for you.

Eladriel.7295:

DYSEQTA.1643:

Was a big fan of GW1, played it for years. Loved the story that was built, loved the world that was created.

GW2 comes along and although I initially had some concerns about the major changes to game play I found it it to be a worthy successor and quite a feat from the point of view of content available at release.

However as time went on I found I that my connection with this new world of Tyria was falling away, despite the added detail and vibrancy of environments and the grand story telling. All in all I have come to see GW2 as a series of major mistakes which has taken a fantasy world I was once engaged in and turned into something I just don’t even remotely care about.

It all started with Lions Arch. The first time I entered Lions Arch I remember thinking “WTF is this kitten??”. Then I heard some crap about pirates and rescues and whatever and sort of shrugged it off. But even now after who knows how long playing this game I still don’t really know how pirates ended up all over Tyria, let alone apparently ruling the world capital city err…garbage dump, yes Lions Arch looks like a garbage dump. I see that as a mistake.

After Lions Arch the next big one was the undead and the waste land that is Orr. I have no problem with the storyline around Orr and all that. I simply think that putting your highest level areas in what amounts to a garbage dump (oh yay another garbage dump) full of rotting dead things is hardly likely to encourage players to spend large amounts of time playing there. I see that as a mistake.

Then there is the what to do at level 80 problem. Yes, it is a problem. If WvWvW is meant to be end game content then it needs one hell of a lot more attention than it is currently getting. If dungeons are meant to be end game content then you need to make a lot more of them. Fractals are just a really obvious “bandaid” on a problem that isn’t going to go away. Some would argue that that bandaid is now just going to cause more problems due to the ascendant gear and all the “fixing” thats had to go on to try to appease players who felt they were being shortchanged. Now we have an ever growing number of currencies, as that seems to be the answer to everything now. “Meh, just create another currency so people have to do something else to get what they want”. I see this as a mistake.

But for me one of the biggest mistakes of all is the micro-transaction business model and how it’s influenced the game negatively. Its not so much about the obvious attempts to steer people to the store: Chests, highest level crafted gear all ugly as fuq effectively forcing the use of transmute stones that are handed out extremely rarely, etc That is just annoying. It’s the ridiculousness of cosmetic items that are completely loreless. Yes I’m very sure that in any believable fantasy world holy warriors would rage into battle with a plush toy attached to their backs… That just completely ruins the illusion. I don;t have a problem with micro-transaction models. Developers need to get paid, how is neither here nor there to me but when that method starts to screw with the world its in then yes I have a problem with it.

Last but be no means the least is the SAB. My god dudes, WTF were you thinking with that? The release of that content has now completely destroyed this fantasy world and reduced it to a bad joke. Sorry but that is really how I feel. It is just so completely wrong it just boggles my mind…

Now I am quite sure the posts following this will be full to the brim with fanbois and others all jumping in to flame the kitten our of me and I really am not concerned. This message is aimed at the developers as feedback. I hope that maybe they can refocus their priorities and get this world back on track but unfortunately I think it is already done for.

Don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.. Who are you to tell Anet what their priorities are? I am really tired of reading lame post such as these stating that you all know best concerning GW2.. Honestly.. they don’t need to listen and change the game on every tom, kitten and harry’s whim.. The game would be so messed up it wouldn’t even be fit to play anymore because of the lame crap you people ask for. Keep in mind they don’t make these games to evolve around you and you alone. This post is no different than the other thousands of post of this nature that populate this forum.. pfft

Ironic, no?

I think the reason that many Gw1 players were upset was because the way Anet advertised this game was kind of…misleading. Sure we have dynamic events, but its still kill x enemy, or find x amount of item.

And then there is this little clip…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=35BPhT-KI1E#t=43s

I don’t believe anything that made Gw1 an amazing success (besides the lore) made it into the game. They are two different games entirely.

I like the dynamic event system. It was cool and innovative, though they could have gone a lot further with how they designed the events. The no sub fee is a huge feature this game has going for it.

This is where we see people’s narcisism most rampant. Because if they REALLY wanted to give suggestions/comments to the devs, they would send it directly to them, and not through the forums. Because the anet employees who read the forums are usually the moderators (and john smith) and not the devs themselves. Why do you think when you find a bug, they ask to report it directly to them and not via forums?

Boinky.4092:

darkace.8925:

Boinky.4092:

This week, when ANet released more unrelated trivia in the upgrade to SAB, I got livid. I paid 80 bucks for a special addition of a game in 2013 and now they spend their work time re-creating a flat-dimension game from the 1990’s.

Setting aside your misconception of “their work”, you seem to be implying that they should only work on content you like. There are more people than yourself playing Guild Wars 2. And believe it or not, not all of them like the same sort of stuff. ArenaNet is well within their right to work on aspects of the game that others enjoy, even if you do not.

I bought a product with years of advertising provided on a website, which purchase I based upon that advertising. In my opinion the product is no longer what they advertised in their lengthy presentation of what it would be. That, and the fact that my purchasing gems from their store supports the work they do, is the justification I claim for an opinion of the matter of their work ethic. When the work they do is not sufficient in my opinion, the best thing for me to do is stop supporting it. For that reason it is only fair I give them my opinion which they can use or throw away as they wish. (In other words, I was talking more to the developers of this game than to you or any other reader or writer of this forum, except to the person who began the thread who I wished to support.)

If I, and others who share my opinion, do not express our opinions, the developers might think we haven’t noticed they are re-vamping somebody else’s work instead of doing their own.

My opinion is not alone, as you can see in this thread… not only are their many who love to reminisce, there are many who would like to have the game they thought they were purchasing and would like to look ahead instead of back. It is my hope that enough people will express their opinions. Perhaps my opinion is in the majority and the developers will not be able to ignore it. To others who may fear being attacked in forum I ask you please to express it anyway. Let’s make a majority.

My best expression will be to stop buying gems, which I have done. And begin playing other games, which I am also doing. I will take what I like from the game, until I no longer like anything about it. Until then I will totally leave the support of “their work” to other employers.

And I will speak my mind whether you like it or not.

If you really feel justified in your opinions, send an email to them instead like this guy. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/HELP-SUPPORT-THIS-GAME

Posting on forums is often useless if you really wanna see a change in the game. But if all you want is attention…

Deified.7520:

I think the reason that many Gw1 players were upset was because the way Anet advertised this game was kind of…misleading. Sure we have dynamic events, but its still kill x enemy, or find x amount of item.

And then there is this little clip…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=35BPhT-KI1E#t=43s

I don’t believe anything that made Gw1 an amazing success (besides the lore) made it into the game. They are two different games entirely.

I like the dynamic event system. It was cool and innovative, though they could have gone a lot further with how they designed the events. The no sub fee is a huge feature this game has going for it.

They can make this the best mmo of all time if they keep developing it and play the game as it’s developed while listening to ALL of the community.

They really need a pts server or in game surveys to find out what the players think and want. They can do these because they did it in beta.

DYSEQTA.1643:

ThiBash.5634:

If you call everyone who doesn’t agree with you an idiot ‘in advance’ then you don’t deserve to be taken seriously in my opinion. regardless of wheter your post makes sense, regardless of wheter you may actually have a few valid points.

Fair comment, point taken. Original post edited accordingly

Referring to every person who’s opinion differs from your own as a ‘fanboi’ as if that term is synonymous with ‘idiot’ is not an improvement.

The design of Lion’s Arch was inspired by real world architecture. There have been several cultures in Europe who, once they switched from a seafaring to a land-based lifestyle, made houses from the ships they knew they would no longer use. Sometimes literally just turning them upside-down or on their side and building doors in to them. Lion’s Arch is a city restored by pirates turned businessmen and politicians, it makes perfect sense, and it’s refreshing to have a home city with some character instead of the stereotypical castle-dominated flagstone city featured in every other game, including GW1.

And I don’t know why you are complaining about end-game content when you claim to have been a big fan of GW1. There was no end-game content there either, unless you counted grinding for more varied sets of armor or hunting for skills you were never going to use.

The Super Adventure Box perfectly fits the Asuran magitech, which we all knew was going to be part of the game long before it’s release. I’d complain less about the races they are expanding, and more about the many races they are completely ignoring.

Deified.7520:

I think the reason that many Gw1 players were upset was because the way Anet advertised this game was kind of…misleading. Sure we have dynamic events, but its still kill x enemy, or find x amount of item.

And then there is this little clip…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=35BPhT-KI1E#t=43s

I don’t believe anything that made Gw1 an amazing success (besides the lore) made it into the game. They are two different games entirely.

I like the dynamic event system. It was cool and innovative, though they could have gone a lot further with how they designed the events. The no sub fee is a huge feature this game has going for it.

Im a GW1 player and I’m not upset.. I enjoy GW2.

clay.7849:

Eladriel.7295:

Don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.. Who are you to tell Anet what their priorities are? I am really tired of reading lame post such as these stating that you all know best concerning GW2.. Honestly.. they don’t need to listen and change the game on every tom, kitten and harry’s whim.. The game would be so messed up it wouldn’t even be fit to play anymore because of the lame crap you people ask for. Keep in mind they don’t make these games to evolve around you and you alone. This post is no different than the other thousands of post of this nature that populate this forum.. pfft

My $60 spent gives me the priority to tell them anything I kitten well please. And, yes, developers make games to make people happy. The only way to let them know if we are happy or not is to tell them.

Sorry you don’t like it that someone doesn’t like the game as much as you do. Pity.

I don’t care whether you like the game or not. You can make suggestions, but to go as far as telling them where their priorities should be and how their game is heading in the wrong directions is beyond what you have the right to do. If you want to make a suggestion on needed content or an idea that could make something better then go to the suggestion thread.

Mirta.5029:

clay.7849:

Eladriel.7295:

Don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.. Who are you to tell Anet what their priorities are? I am really tired of reading lame post such as these stating that you all know best concerning GW2.. Honestly.. they don’t need to listen and change the game on every tom, kitten and harry’s whim.. The game would be so messed up it wouldn’t even be fit to play anymore because of the lame crap you people ask for. Keep in mind they don’t make these games to evolve around you and you alone. This post is no different than the other thousands of post of this nature that populate this forum.. pfft

My $60 spent gives me the priority to tell them anything I kitten well please. And, yes, developers make games to make people happy. The only way to let them know if we are happy or not is to tell them.

Sorry you don’t like it that someone doesn’t like the game as much as you do. Pity.

there has been some wise words that I’ve heard:
give masses what you want to show and not what masses want, because if you give what masses want, masses will continue to ask for exactly the same things because they won’t know any better.
We all payed money for a product. We got that product. We don’t get to order the developers of the product. It would be the same as buying shoes and thinking that you made an impact great enough to be able to instruct shoe makers on how soles should be made, because YOU want them that way.

Great post!

Mirta.5029:

clay.7849:

No, I do get a right to review everything and tell people my opinion. In fact, that very idea has changed the way companies are doing business in the last 5-10 years.

Maybe it’s just time for you to get hip to the times?

I can say whatever I kitten well please. I live in a country that allows me to do that. And, unless the moderators think I am being obnoxious, I get to do it here too. You don’t get to tell me what to do. Sorry you’re so upset.

1. You get a right to express an opinion, it doesn’t mean that just because you own their product they’re entitled to follow your opinion and please you and you alone. It’s their lore, their world and their story. They have every right to tell it how they want. The only way you can force them to follow your opinion is to buy the major part of the company shares. That’s all.
2. I’m not upset at all, but I do think that you think too highly of yourself and that you should feel the earth beneath your feet.

I agree

I keep seeing posts here that make it seem like GW1 was some amazing success… between the original game and 3 separate expansions over 7 years they managed to sell 5 million boxes. Each expansion purchase counted as one of those “box sales”.

GW2 vanilla has by itself sold more then 3 million boxes in less then a year. This whole idea that GW1 was some amazing success just really isn’t that true. Was it a fun game? yes. Was it successful and profitable? absolutely. But it isn’t even on the same scale of success as GW2 has been so far.

clay.7849:

Mirta.5029:

clay.7849:

Eladriel.7295:

Don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.. Who are you to tell Anet what their priorities are? I am really tired of reading lame post such as these stating that you all know best concerning GW2.. Honestly.. they don’t need to listen and change the game on every tom, kitten and harry’s whim.. The game would be so messed up it wouldn’t even be fit to play anymore because of the lame crap you people ask for. Keep in mind they don’t make these games to evolve around you and you alone. This post is no different than the other thousands of post of this nature that populate this forum.. pfft

My $60 spent gives me the priority to tell them anything I kitten well please. And, yes, developers make games to make people happy. The only way to let them know if we are happy or not is to tell them.

Sorry you don’t like it that someone doesn’t like the game as much as you do. Pity.

there has been some wise words that I’ve heard:
give masses what you want to show and not what masses want, because if you give what masses want, masses will continue to ask for exactly the same things because they won’t know any better.
We all payed money for a product. We got that product. We don’t get to order the developers of the product. It would be the same as buying shoes and thinking that you made an impact great enough to be able to instruct shoe makers on how soles should be made, because YOU want them that way.

No, I do get a right to review everything and tell people my opinion. In fact, that very idea has changed the way companies are doing business in the last 5-10 years.

Maybe it’s just time for you to get hip to the times?

I can say whatever I kitten well please. I live in a country that allows me to do that. And, unless the moderators think I am being obnoxious, I get to do it here too. You don’t get to tell me what to do. Sorry you’re so upset.

Not 100% true. You can say what you want, within reason. You can’t use hate-speak. You can’t yell fire in a theater…and get this. The forums aren’t America and have their own set of rules.

Of course, there’s a deeper level of what you should and shouldn’t do, that might be layered over what you can and can’t do. You can lie through your teeth on this forum, that’s true…but I don’t believe you should. You can make things up with impunity and no evidence. I don’t believe you should.

And you have to follow the forum rules, because this isn’t America. It’s a forum and it has rules.

tolunart.2095:

Mirta.5029:

We all payed money for a product. We got that product. We don’t get to order the developers of the product. It would be the same as buying shoes and thinking that you made an impact great enough to be able to instruct shoe makers on how soles should be made, because YOU want them that way.

The people posting here are (should be?) smart enough to realize this. They are doing the equivalent of standing on a mountaintop shouting random stuff just to hear it echo back at them. It’s harmless, and the devs have loads and loads of data such as how many purchases of quaggan backpacks were made from the gem store or how many times people have played the SAB to balance out the half dozen grumpy old men spitting out kittens here.

The game isn’t going to completely change just because RandomJoe.4931 said he doesn’t like Asuran cultural armor or something.

On the bright side, I believe everyone should learn how to laugh at themselves once in a while. If you haven’t learned how to do that yet, I’ll be happy to lend a hand an laugh at you for you.

Hey! You leave grump old men out of this, please! lol

Deified.7520:

I think the reason that many Gw1 players were upset was because the way Anet advertised this game was kind of…misleading. Sure we have dynamic events, but its still kill x enemy, or find x amount of item.

And then there is this little clip…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=35BPhT-KI1E#t=43s

I don’t believe anything that made Gw1 an amazing success (besides the lore) made it into the game. They are two different games entirely.

I like the dynamic event system. It was cool and innovative, though they could have gone a lot further with how they designed the events. The no sub fee is a huge feature this game has going for it.

I’m a Guild Wars 1 player and I knew precisely what dynamic event would be, even back when I prepurchased the game on the first day it was offered for sale. It was explained time and time again. People may not like the fact that the events ping-pong back and forth to different states, but that’s what was told to us.

In fact, just about everything told to us has been true, except for a marketing line about “everything you love about Guild Wars 1” which would be impossible to fill because different people love different things, and a couple of interviews that mention vertical progression.

Aside from that, Anet delivered the product they said they would.

Vayne.8563:

clay.7849:

Mirta.5029:

clay.7849:

Eladriel.7295:

Don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.. Who are you to tell Anet what their priorities are? I am really tired of reading lame post such as these stating that you all know best concerning GW2.. Honestly.. they don’t need to listen and change the game on every tom, kitten and harry’s whim.. The game would be so messed up it wouldn’t even be fit to play anymore because of the lame crap you people ask for. Keep in mind they don’t make these games to evolve around you and you alone. This post is no different than the other thousands of post of this nature that populate this forum.. pfft

My $60 spent gives me the priority to tell them anything I kitten well please. And, yes, developers make games to make people happy. The only way to let them know if we are happy or not is to tell them.

Sorry you don’t like it that someone doesn’t like the game as much as you do. Pity.

there has been some wise words that I’ve heard:
give masses what you want to show and not what masses want, because if you give what masses want, masses will continue to ask for exactly the same things because they won’t know any better.
We all payed money for a product. We got that product. We don’t get to order the developers of the product. It would be the same as buying shoes and thinking that you made an impact great enough to be able to instruct shoe makers on how soles should be made, because YOU want them that way.

No, I do get a right to review everything and tell people my opinion. In fact, that very idea has changed the way companies are doing business in the last 5-10 years.

Maybe it’s just time for you to get hip to the times?

I can say whatever I kitten well please. I live in a country that allows me to do that. And, unless the moderators think I am being obnoxious, I get to do it here too. You don’t get to tell me what to do. Sorry you’re so upset.

Not 100% true. You can say what you want, within reason. You can’t use hate-speak. You can’t yell fire in a theater…and get this. The forums aren’t America and have their own set of rules.

Of course, there’s a deeper level of what you should and shouldn’t do, that might be layered over what you can and can’t do. You can lie through your teeth on this forum, that’s true…but I don’t believe you should. You can make things up with impunity and no evidence. I don’t believe you should.

And you have to follow the forum rules, because this isn’t America. It’s a forum and it has rules.

And since I haven’t been banned or even infracted for the things I have said, it seems like ya’ll are wrong about what I can and can’t say.

Funny how that keeps happening…