You pick a class, and your weapon skills, class mechanic and armor depend on that choice (so that light armor doesn’t become useless), but you can change your class on the go at any time.
You have access to every trait line of all existing classes, as well as every utility, healing, and elite skills of every class. However, you have to choose between certain trait lines, e.g. you cant stack 2 power trait lines together.
Gw1 had.the best class system EVER . The coolest thing was an assassin\warrior. Nothing looks more boss than an assassin
With a shield and a sword . I miss it so much
Gw1 had.the best class system EVER . The coolest thing was an assassin\warrior. Nothing looks more boss than an assassin
With a shield and a sword . I miss it so much
Anet’s idea was to add more skills to the game regularly from now on (although I havn;t seen that materialize yet) and eventually give every class access to every weapon.
So I guess you will get your Thief with a sword and shield eventually
^ There’s ESO coming out (although that’s arguably a bit of a step backwards from a TES game).
I like the idea of more variety in character creation/builds, but at the same time it sounds like it could be really confusing. Some traits and skills don’t make much sense outside the class they are created for so making them available for all classes seems somewhat useless.
I like the variety and think making more things available for more classes would be great, just not all traits/elite skills.
If there where no classes at first you will see a high mix of chose but over time that mix will fall off into specialization and in time you will find every one playing about the same thing.
In a game like ESO your going to see one class / races / guild chose over all others in time. In a way you cant play the game the way you want to because a lot of your ability are going to be tied to your races and guild. Mind you there are still classes in that game but there is a great deal more openness for your ability chose.
In a game like GW2 you need some type of class to keep a stander to but in a game like GW2 you can see something more on the lines of sub classes. The thing is in having ability tied to classes you can still look the way you want to and be the race you want to etc…
So in a way its makes your “Hero” that you play more able to chose if you have a class system with out means of making say only such race can be such class.
Main : Jski Imaginary ELE (Necromancer)
Guild : OBEY (The Legacy) I call it Obay , TLC (WvW) , UNIV (other)
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Honestly Silkroad online had a system like this and it works out beautifully. You had 2 stats to invest in STR/INT. You had 3 weapon choices: Blade/Sword, Glaive/Spear, Bow. And you had 4 elements: Healing, Fire, Ice, Lightning. You could weapon swap on the fly and pick whatever armor set you wanted.
I’m not saying the grind wasn’t a pain in the kitten but with that system I felt so much freer than I ever have in character creation. Honestly, my favorite PVP game ever released…. 70cap and before. Screw euro cap
Yeah, I think gw1 had the right idea with their dual class system. I think I like the skills there more than here also as far as what can be done. Ofc the animations are tons better here.
Shadow stepping eles and monks. Necrotic warriors. Conditions made sense there. E-denial, enchantments…boons, everything just made more sense there and seemed very tactical.
I guess the game I really want to play is GW1 with GW2 mobile combat and persistent world complete with energy and healers. Even the dungeons/missions told a better story there. One day someone will make that game.
Dual class system would remove all the complaints about some thing being OP . If you think warr is OP and you’re a thief then just switch your second proffession to warrior . That’s how arenanet could balance the game . If they see too many necro\warrior ele\warrior ranger\warrior that means the class is OP and it need a nerf . Now even if something is OP people wont reroll because its a waste of time .
If there where no classes at first you will see a high mix of chose but over time that mix will fall off into specialization and in time you will find every one playing about the same thing.
In a game like ESO your going to see one class / races / guild chose over all others in time. In a way you cant play the game the way you want to because a lot of your ability are going to be tied to your races and guild. Mind you there are still classes in that game but there is a great deal more openness for your ability chose.
In a game like GW2 you need some type of class to keep a stander to but in a game like GW2 you can see something more on the lines of sub classes. The thing is in having ability tied to classes you can still look the way you want to and be the race you want to etc…
So in a way its makes your “Hero” that you play more able to chose if you have a class system with out means of making say only such race can be such class.
You pick a class, and your weapon skills, class mechanic and armor depend on that choice (so that light armor doesn’t become useless), but you can change your class on the go at any time.
I think Rift, Secret World and Final Fantasy latest MMO has that system. That said I wouldn’t mind some way of levelling ALTs more quickly, though. When you are itching to get to end game, or WvW, or dungeons….the time it takes through what might be the same content can be tough and very difficult depending on the class. We know some of them only get useful at certain points in the levelling curve (which is a problem in my view).
As someone who is a big fan of customization I like this idea but at the same time I don’t. I feel it would spawn a whole new era of troll builds that would make the game a lot less enjoyable for those of us who like to PvP. However, something I think they SHOULD look in to relating to this freedom of choice subject is allowing all classes to wear all types of armor. I get that some classes are light, medium or heavy and why, but what if we want to make a tanky caster or a nimble warrior? Although I’m sure the latter would be a lot less common I’d bet it’d still be done from time to time. Or, if that idea isn’t viable… At least let all classes able to transmute their gears appearance regardless of their vocation. eg. If I were a Guardian and wanted the light class style of the Twilight Arbor, I wouldn’t be able to WEAR that gear, but I would be able to transmute my current gear with it’s appearance.
The game would end up with completely unplayable PvP based on crack builds and subject to constant sweeping balance changes on part of the developers, regularly nullfying entire skillsets and classes.
I guess the game I really want to play is GW1 with GW2 mobile combat and persistent world complete with energy and healers. Even the dungeons/missions told a better story there. One day someone will make that game.
Elder scrolls online will make it able for you to wear any armor you want and any weapons you want, however the class you choose will favour some armor type or some weapon type. Such as nightblade (thief/rogue) which will favour daggers and leather/medium armor above heavier armor or weapons.
I think this is what people want, that or new better skins for medium and light armor – and medium is really S hhhhhhhhhhhhh it.
You pick a class, and your weapon skills, class mechanic and armor depend on that choice (so that light armor doesn’t become useless), but you can change your class on the go at any time.
You have access to every trait line of all existing classes, as well as every utility, healing, and elite skills of every class. However, you have to choose between certain trait lines, e.g. you cant stack 2 power trait lines together.
Would that make the game more interesting?
I don’t personally think much would change, we’d have the same game we have now, everyone basically the same all going DPS, the only thing different really now is some classes wear weaker gears than others..
Most traits are the same, skills..the same..weapons vary but all effectively do the same.. stats wise they mostly go zerker etc, because other versions aren’t optimal..
Sure a game could be designed like that. To do that with GW2 would require redoing all the traits. Not every profession has the same stat combinations for their trait lines. For example thief has precision+critical damage but on a warrior critical damage is paired with burst recharge so the “However, you have to choose between certain trait lines, e.g. you cant stack 2 power trait lines together.” restriction isn’t going to hold too well.
There is probably some combination of trait out there that works out ridiculously well even though the individual traits are not that great or even underpowered as is. They had enough troubles balancing with two classes per character. Eight is pretty much hopeless.
Better yet… Classes are extraordinary and they are not the issue…. Tell me if I’m wrong here.. I believe item stats are the primary issue here and everywhere else. I have a desire for fun and crunching numbers and staring at an interface isn’t one of them.
I’m not a avid advocate of steam rolling content, I would like to go anywhere I desire that provides equal opportunities that are challenging in their own aspect. I would like to be-able to go into a specialization without completely recustomizing my character to fit that playstyle. Item stats are a crutch for the sheep that desire the carrot. Nothing more. The only things that should matter is your look and your skill.
Guild Wars 2 is not a sequel to the original Guild Wars but merely an alternative story setting.
We already have gotten rid of classes. At this point all the classes sort of feel the same with the only significant difference being the animations. But that’s how every game is.
Elder scrolls online will make it able for you to wear any armor you want and any weapons you want, however the class you choose will favour some armor type or some weapon type. Such as nightblade (thief/rogue) which will favour daggers and leather/medium armor above heavier armor or weapons.
I think this is what people want, that or new better skins for medium and light armor – and medium is really S hhhhhhhhhhhhh it.
That’s pretty much the same thing as having class armour restrictions. If leather is better on a thief than light or heavy, why would anyone use the latter two?
Elder scrolls online will make it able for you to wear any armor you want and any weapons you want, however the class you choose will favour some armor type or some weapon type. Such as nightblade (thief/rogue) which will favour daggers and leather/medium armor above heavier armor or weapons.
I think this is what people want, that or new better skins for medium and light armor – and medium is really S hhhhhhhhhhhhh it.
That’s pretty much the same thing as having class armour restrictions. If leather is better on a thief than light or heavy, why would anyone use the latter two?
I dunno. Just think outside the box. People got way too streamlined in things like RPG nowadays.
Imagine to create a character the way you want. There will be trait-offs, but a fireball wielding knight with heavy armor sounds cool sort of.
Elder scrolls online will make it able for you to wear any armor you want and any weapons you want, however the class you choose will favour some armor type or some weapon type. Such as nightblade (thief/rogue) which will favour daggers and leather/medium armor above heavier armor or weapons.
I think this is what people want, that or new better skins for medium and light armor – and medium is really S hhhhhhhhhhhhh it.
That’s pretty much the same thing as having class armour restrictions. If leather is better on a thief than light or heavy, why would anyone use the latter two?
I dunno. Just think outside the box. People got way too streamlined in things like RPG nowadays.
Imagine to create a character the way you want. There will be trait-offs, but a fireball wielding knight with heavy armor sounds cool sort of.
It would be cool, but it would also be a rubbish build.
Elder scrolls online will make it able for you to wear any armor you want and any weapons you want, however the class you choose will favour some armor type or some weapon type. Such as nightblade (thief/rogue) which will favour daggers and leather/medium armor above heavier armor or weapons.
I think this is what people want, that or new better skins for medium and light armor – and medium is really S hhhhhhhhhhhhh it.
That’s pretty much the same thing as having class armour restrictions. If leather is better on a thief than light or heavy, why would anyone use the latter two?
I dunno. Just think outside the box. People got way too streamlined in things like RPG nowadays.
Imagine to create a character the way you want. There will be trait-offs, but a fireball wielding knight with heavy armor sounds cool sort of.
It would be cool, but it would also be a rubbish build.
Warrior Great Sword AoE attacks, with the Number 5 and Number 4 removed.
Replaced by Necro Weapon Skills. Also with Necro heals
and Guardian’s spirit weapon utilities. Also Ele’s minion elites I guess but Death themed…
Elder scrolls online will make it able for you to wear any armor you want and any weapons you want, however the class you choose will favour some armor type or some weapon type. Such as nightblade (thief/rogue) which will favour daggers and leather/medium armor above heavier armor or weapons.
I think this is what people want, that or new better skins for medium and light armor – and medium is really S hhhhhhhhhhhhh it.
That’s pretty much the same thing as having class armour restrictions. If leather is better on a thief than light or heavy, why would anyone use the latter two?
I dunno. Just think outside the box. People got way too streamlined in things like RPG nowadays.
Imagine to create a character the way you want. There will be trait-offs, but a fireball wielding knight with heavy armor sounds cool sort of.
It would be cool, but it would also be a rubbish build.
How would you know?
Because taken in the context of this quote chain, if a class is designed to favour an armour type, then it would be better to use that armour type by design.
What I got out of ESO’s dev talks was that yes, you can be a magical knight or a heavy theif, and it would be fun; but magic would be still be best used by an actual mage so in a perfect min-maxing party, you won’t see magic warriors.
Ranger Long Bow/ Short bow skills, but with also a new Staff weapon, that combo of Ele Water and Ranger summons and Guardian heals. Also Guardian’s elite heal skill, and Guardian’s AoE heal skill. Ele lighting range weapon skills and Water healing.
Ele’s 4 element mechanics, but animal themed. With Norn Racial like transformations, but made into kits like Engineer kits work.
Because taken in the context of this quote chain, if a class is designed to favour an armour type, then it would be better to use that armour type by design.
It might be not the best build for a single target DD, but depending on the combination you choose, you could be an unstoppable AoE tank, gaining tons of xp while killing hordes of mobs simultaniously.
Because taken in the context of this quote chain, if a class is designed to favour an armour type, then it would be better to use that armour type by design.
It might be not the best build for a single target DD, but depending on the combination you choose, you could be an unstoppable AoE tank, gaining tons of xp while killing hordes of mobs simultaniously.
The box, think outside of it.
It was quite a specific ESO-related comment. I was commenting on how their design philosophy was actually quite restrictive.
The information on ESO is very limited.
The idea of a class free RPG is a working concept, and it can be incredibly fun. And a nightmare to balance.
There’s a really old and niche game called Mabinogi. If you can look past it’s rather silly art style, ut has probably the best ‘clkitten’ combat system I’ve ever seen, and it’s very very well balanced.
Basically a no classes system is what The Secret World attemped to do with some success, the way it works is that you pick two weapons which define your “class” (though you can equip other weapons at any time). Every time you “level”, you get skill points, much like in GW2, and you use them to buy weapon skills. Each weapon has a DPS tree, and another one that depends on the weapon (swords have tanking skills, for example, and shotguns have healing ones and so on), you can pick where to purchase skills from with the only limit that you must buy the previous skills as well (to get sword tanking skill 4, for example, you’d have to buy 1, 2 and 3). The role your character does depends on which weapons and which skills (7 active and 7 passive) it has equipped. It works nicely, of course there are “classes” (specially at end game you see asking for a blade/chaos tank for one dungeon, or a hammer tank for another one, for example), but since there’s no limit to how many skill points you can get, eventually you can just be a skill/weapons swap from becoming a different one.
It’s a pile of Elonian protection magic, mixed with a little monk training,
wrapped up in some crazy ritualist hoo-ha from Cantha.
A real grab bag of ‘you can’t hurt me. They’re called Guardians.
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