Guild Wars 2

You guys are arguing about this as though there is “high end pve” in this game. The simple fact is that there isn’t any. The pve content is absurdly easy once you learn to play, with no need to min max.

All you need is Ele for FGS, Warrior for banners, + 3 zerker players of any class that know what they are doing. Yea you will go slower than a fully optimized group, but it will only be very slightly slower. On the flip side, you wont waste time looking for that exact class that you need to optimize your party.

Warrior Phalanx strength is enough to carry any party to reasonably fast completions if it comes down to it.

Unless you are going for world record speed runs or something like that. But who in their right mind cares about that. If you want High end PVE this isnt the game for you.

In short bring any class you want as long as they are full zerker.

Aurust.8961:

You guys are arguing about this as though there is “high end pve” in this game. The simple fact is that there isn’t any. The pve content is absurdly easy once you learn to play, with no need to min max.

All you need is Ele for FGS, Warrior for banners, + 3 zerker players of any class that know what they are doing. Yea you will go slower than a fully optimized group, but it will only be very slightly slower. On the flip side, you wont waste time looking for that exact class that you need to optimize your party.

Warrior Phalanx strength is enough to carry any party to reasonably fast completions if it comes down to it.

Unless you are going for world record speed runs or something like that. But who in their right mind cares about that. If you want High end PVE this isnt the game for you.

In short bring any class you want as long as they are full zerker.

I feel like this post wins. like, we can all go home now.

Warriors need a buff guardians should not out dps them O.o

FGS ele > reflect mesmer/guardian(where it works for tons of damage) > thief
top 3 places really… thief is the hardest hitter(at least when the target is below 50%, heartseeker spam below 25% is ridiculous DPS however) but also dies quite easily.
3-phantasm mesmer is going below thief… Aside from requiring time to do so(maybe not so much if you use ether signet, however), thief is still out-dpsing when the target gets low.

Okay, okay, none of these people know what they are talking about, A good Ranger build with Longbow power/precision spec just absolutely rails other classes 1v1.

Thalionsir.5976:

Okay, okay, none of these people know what they are talking about, A good Ranger build with Longbow power/precision spec just absolutely rails other classes 1v1.

/facepalm

Why PvP players can’t recognize when a thread is all about PvE … ?

If this is the case, you all have my apologies. /walks away humbly

When I go with pugs I prefer a party with 3-4 wars + anything not condi class.
When I go with friends I prefer 1 Guardian 1 War 2 Ele 1 Mes.

Theorycrafting possible max DPS doesn’t really mean anything. Of course Ele can do more damage just standing there bursting on a dummy compared to a warrior. But executing that in a dungeon? The best pubbie runs in dungeons and fractals are always 3x war 2x guard. Build doesn’t even matter, all zerk, all tanks, 3/2 zerk/tank mix, it all works up to a certain point like arah explorable and fractal 50, where group comps matter.

It depends on what you want to do. If you are desperate to just see the biggest numbers possible in game, get with a regular group who plays together and practice mechanics as ele to the point where you can nail bosses without having to be revived 10+ times a run like pub eles. If you want to be an effective and versatile damage dealer who can work together with any random setup and get the job done quick and clean, roll war or guard. 98% of this game just isn’t tuned to demand some specific comp, the community just likes to think it is because they’ll have an aneurysm if their 2,245th run of CoF is 12 minutes long instead of 10.

Damage has a lot of meanings.

Highest spike damage – Ele Staff (Specific skill sequence required), Ele FGS (stacking required)
Highest sustained cleave dps – Thief S/P
Highest sustained AoE dps – Bomb Engi
Highest sustained single target dps – Thief D/P
Highest dps-survivability quotient – Warrior A/A or A/M
Highest dps addition to party – Ele S/F (Perm 25 Might + Fury)
Highest damage in a single attack – Ele FGS when stacked, Warrior Rifle otherwise
Highest ranged DPS – Ele Staff
Highest ranged DPS – Survivability ratio – Ranger LB
Highest condition-based dps (for high Toughness targets) – Rabid Necro S/D [If you don’t know why this matters, you have clearly never tried the three-headed Jungle Wurm)

/thread

Numbers will take one full (700-900 words) post per claim, after learning the hard way that people here can’t calculate I won’t bother. Believe it or do not, doesn’t change the situation either way.

Warrs are used most often due to highest cleave dps to survivability quotient. Deviating from max damage trait/gear specs in order to keep yourself alive in a more fragile class like S/P Thief may make it inferior to the warr in both dps and survivability. On my end for speedruns I usually use the S/P thief and for WvW I usually use the warrior, in full damage specs. Specific classes are used for more specific purposes.

Max speedclear for ‘any dungeon’ would generally involve 1 zerkthief [stealth, cclock, blast finishers, blindspam, vuln], 1 zerk/assassin mesmer [debuff, reflect, port, timewarp, stealth], 1 bomb engi [fire field, water field, condi clear, stealth], 1 gs/hammer guard [protection, reflect, condiclear, aegis, blindspam, permaburn, vuln] and 1 ele [fury, 25 might, fire field, blast finishers, blindspam, FGS, condi clear]. The specific roles are all high skill-floor. Perm weakness and max vuln is assured by 5x users of skale venom in addition to the class skills. In this setup the thief will always end up being the tank because of the sheer difference in dps – timing pistol whip to Evade every single boss attack should nullify all single attack damage to the party. All AoE damage is reflectable, dodgeable or outhealable with heal turret+guard’s VoR+ele’s attunement swaps alone.

This would outperform a 5 full zerk war party by about 30-40% speed, but good luck trying to find a group of players skilled enough to pull this off outside guilds that specialise in this. If your members’ skill level isn’t high enough drop the bomb engi and take a war for vengbanner purposes.

Threads like this would be nonexistent if GW2 allowed damage meters…

Just sayin’…

Elementalist you say ? My main is an Elementalist. Let me hit up the Elementalist section and see how to turn up this dps.

Killface.1896:

Warriors need a buff guardians should not out dps them O.o

Get out.

Celestina.2894:

Killface.1896:

Warriors need a buff guardians should not out dps them O.o

Get out.

New warrior Elite: Summon Akatosh.

Because warriors need to be so broken they break the very fabric of the multiverse.