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Posted by: Yargesh.4965

Yargesh.4965

Cats have their teats on their stomachs so the chest would not be covered.

I’m not actually sure what to think of this thread.

I did find it rather funny that my charr thief has a strip of cloth across her chest, though, considering that charr were designed without breasts. So it’s not actually doing anything, it’s just there. What’s the point of that strip of cloth, exactly? To look more “feminine” from a human perspective? And given how charr feel about humans, would a charr female actually WANT to look more humanly feminine?

Charrs have a minimum requirement of clothing for modesty as well They don’t have breasts but probably teets, and since every other race is doing it I figured they might as well to not make other races think about it too much.

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Posted by: Hermes.7014

Hermes.7014

Sexy? yes. Nude? This is gw2… i don’t want nudity in it! go play an H game brah

So all those artists of the past who depicted and sculpted nude figures were perverts? And tell me, are you offended by seeing a body as nature made it?

Jeez. Nudity is not pornography.

Whether something is either wrong or right, someone will always complain about it.

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Posted by: Onshidesigns.1069

Onshidesigns.1069

Regardless of how this would affect the current player-base, it would look pretty bad from a PR perspective. It’d be pretty darn easy to put a negative spin on the whole thing, Ex: “Anet desperately trying to find players; CREATES EXPLICIT NUDITY SERVERS!”. Not to mention it would obviously require a rating-change, because honestly, you can put in as many “you must be 18 or older to continue” windows as you want, the kids are still gonna click yes.

Kid already know how to use computers better then most adults. To do things like access porn on the internet.

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Posted by: Kyosji.8961

Kyosji.8961

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/31644/gw068.jpg

THIS IS WHY IT SHOULDN’T HAPPEN!!! (for male models)

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Posted by: Lunar Sunset.8742

Lunar Sunset.8742

This shouldn’t even be discussed all the answers will be “no” if you want to see the body how nature created it there are many many many many many modelling sites that do those sorts of things. If you really can not resist your norn being nude, make a texmod where you can create it’s own texture in those parts, because I know the devs have not.

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Posted by: SneakyErvin.3056

SneakyErvin.3056

Censorship is kitten backwards in most games. Big cudos to Anet if there is actually nudity in this game, because there is no need or purpose with censoring it.

Most games that censor nudity are highly violent games or games where your type of attacks are probably the most sadistic and cruel ways to kill someone.

One prime example is the ability to actually burn people to death, with either flamethrowers or magical flames. The most painful way to end your life. Then we have explosive bullets, electric attacks or dropping blocks of ice on people. Followed by bombs, grenades, arrows and thrown axes. And of course your regular chopping, clomping and bashing someone to pulp. Oh and dont forget the ranger pets, its not so bad having a bear bashing your skull in or a wolf/lynx ripping your entrails out and feeding on them while you are watching.

Nudity is deffinently worse and can harm people for the rest of their life…

I’m against censorship across the board. If someone is mentally unstable in the first place, censoring out something in a game or movie wont do much to change it. There will always be something ticking their mind into doing something awful. Violence and sex is everywhere, most commonly on the news. It doesnt go a day without seeing dead bodies from a conflict in a foreign land on the news or hear about someone that got kitten <the word that got censored here is the one where females are encouraged to yell “Fire!” if it happens to them instead of yelling “help!” and the actual word>.

It’s also all over the newspapers. Enough food for a wicked mind.

Let Valkyries guide me to my destiny.

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Posted by: Fook.3914

Fook.3914

need more nude female charr

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Posted by: ThiBash.5634

ThiBash.5634

The main thing that the ‘pro-nudity’ posters have failed to adress is what it would ADD to the game.

Because it will take up artist time to make anything decent, but it wouldn’t add to the gameplay at all.

Granted, you might have had an argument if Anet actively removed nudity…but in a game that never had any nudity, can you really claim not adding it is censorship? If anything, you could argue that modelling underwear takes a lot less time and resources than sculpting private parts.

So there’s no real reason to add it, and there’s no censorship because you can’t censor what was never there to begin with.

If you can read this then it is proof that ArenaNet’s moderators just, kind and fair.

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Posted by: Northlander.4619

Northlander.4619

I don’t mind nudity. Including nudity in video games. I see nothing inherently wrong in nudity. Neither I think it’s harmful for kids to see nudity. However I don’t also see the need for nudity in a game like GW2.

Actually I think most games do worse than full nudity by making very sexualized outfits. Usually for female characters. However I don’t mind sexual themes either. In fact I’m eagerly waiting for CCP to put more efforts into releasing WODO and I’m sure sexuality will play a major role there.

What I’d like to see more is exotic clothing such as the tattoo armors from original GW. Also something that reveals more of the fur of my Charr or Sylvari. Charr because I feel they would give a bit more beast-like impression that way while Sylvari has this awesome bioluminescent glow but most armors hide it. I’d also like to see the return of tattoo armors from GW.

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Posted by: Kraggy.4169

Kraggy.4169

This is one of the saddest threads I’ve seen on any MMO forum, ever.

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Posted by: Kyosji.8961

Kyosji.8961

The main thing that the ‘pro-nudity’ posters have failed to adress is what it would ADD to the game.

Because it will take up artist time to make anything decent, but it wouldn’t add to the gameplay at all.

Granted, you might have had an argument if Anet actively removed nudity…but in a game that never had any nudity, can you really claim not adding it is censorship? If anything, you could argue that modelling underwear takes a lot less time and resources than sculpting private parts.

So there’s no real reason to add it, and there’s no censorship because you can’t censor what was never there to begin with.

It would add a new profession to the game.

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Posted by: Onshidesigns.1069

Onshidesigns.1069

This is one of the saddest threads I’ve seen on any MMO forum, ever.

Why? explain how this is worse then the violence in games.

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Posted by: Solid Gold.9310

Solid Gold.9310

This is one of the saddest threads I’ve seen on any MMO forum, ever.

Why? explain how this is worse then the violence in games.

Can’t believe this post is actually here.

And this, how is nudity worse than the total violence we see in games and films nowadays ?

But GW2 is not the place for nudity, go play the Sims or whatever.

Jumping puzzles, love them or hate them, I hate them. Thread killer.

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Posted by: SneakyErvin.3056

SneakyErvin.3056

The main thing that the ‘pro-nudity’ posters have failed to adress is what it would ADD to the game.

Because it will take up artist time to make anything decent, but it wouldn’t add to the gameplay at all.

Granted, you might have had an argument if Anet actively removed nudity…but in a game that never had any nudity, can you really claim not adding it is censorship? If anything, you could argue that modelling underwear takes a lot less time and resources than sculpting private parts.

So there’s no real reason to add it, and there’s no censorship because you can’t censor what was never there to begin with.

There is a reason for it to exsist and be added. For those people dead set on a theme, be it a paint dipped celtic “berserker” theme or an african tribal warrior/jungle warrior theme, it should be there. Or for the ERP people… but that is another subject.

The line for me goes at explicit sexuality, that does not belong in games. If you want that go watch hentai or porn. Mostly because there is no real private housing and such where you can close the door.

Let Valkyries guide me to my destiny.

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Posted by: TommyProvolone.3715

TommyProvolone.3715

I would be fine with nudity in the game provided it only happens to NPCs. Giving the players control over the nudity of their characters is not a good idea.

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Posted by: Atlas.9704

Atlas.9704

I’ll just strip my character’s armor off during April 1st and see how far he lives.
It will be Unseen Ones armor or something. Only the worthy can see my actual armor while everyone else thinks I’m a raving loon flailing a greatsword around.

Elona, Land of the Golden Sun….and undead…and poison. The travel brochure lied okay?!

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Posted by: Oatmeal.1895

Oatmeal.1895

Censorship is kitten backwards in most games. Big cudos to Anet if there is actually nudity in this game, because there is no need or purpose with censoring it.

Most games that censor nudity are highly violent games or games where your type of attacks are probably the most sadistic and cruel ways to kill someone.

-snip-

Your second statement is just not true for the most part. I would say, probably 98% of all games that have nudity in them only have breasts or buttocks. If I had to scale them, I would say a mans kitten and a woman’s kitten are more “vulgar” then breasts. And I am just using this for arguement’s sake, because games that do have nudity in them, for the most part, only have breasts.

But back to your statement. Take Age of Conan for example. You can find bare chests in that game, and it is one of the most violent MMO’s out there. Here’s a shameless bump of a video I did a long time ago showing what the Assassin class can do in AoC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_rhLUUDSbg

You will literally slit your enemies throats and see buckets of blood spill out. Another move you slip behind your foe and stab your dagger into the back of there SKULL! Leaving it there for a second, then yanking it out just as he begins to fall.

Another game, and this one is old, is Duke Nukem: Time to Kill. However, with this game the only nudity I think is in the intro movie in the strip bar. But the game itself you could blow enemies limbs, heads off etc!

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Posted by: ShadowGryphon.6257

ShadowGryphon.6257

Screenshots or it didn’t happen.

There’s no actual reproductive bits, it’s just the general shape without the extra underwear texture on top of it.

well, it looks like that’s changed.
Apparently some of the male characters are related to John Holmes LOL.

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Posted by: Evelynddra.9265

Evelynddra.9265

Uhh….I don’t get why the game needs nudity. I’m cool with it, but it really doesn’t add or take away anything in the game. So….why does GW2 (or fantasy games in general) need more nudity? Games are already highly sexualized, do we really need to add full on nudity as well? And don’t tell me this isn’t about it being sexualized. There is zero reason for nudity to exist in this game’s environment. I feel the same about skimpy armor, but I think GW2 has a very good balance between skimpy and not skimpy.

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Posted by: Darkstar.6178

Darkstar.6178

I’ll just strip my character’s armor off during April 1st and see how far he lives.
It will be Unseen Ones armor or something. Only the worthy can see my actual armor while everyone else thinks I’m a raving loon flailing a greatsword around.

Is “greatsword” a euphemism?

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Posted by: Anakita Snakecharm.4360

Anakita Snakecharm.4360

The main thing that the ‘pro-nudity’ posters have failed to adress is what it would ADD to the game.

Because it will take up artist time to make anything decent, but it wouldn’t add to the gameplay at all.

This. There’s nothing wrong with nudity in general terms… but that doesn’t mean that every mass market product needs to include it or would benefit from providing nude options.

For GW2, the work it would take the developers (from modeling the nude forms to implementing age verification) just doesn’t match the benefits of getting to look at a naked character when that character’s nakedness serves no other purpose in the game.

I have no problem with nudity being including in games or other media if there’s valid context for it and the inclusion makes some sort of sense. In GW2, though, there would be no context for it at all. And that’s the problem. It doesn’t mean the naked form is a bad, dirty, disgusting thing, which it isn’t – it just means it would be a waste of resources to shoehorn in a nude option that’s completely out of place in a game that’s not designed for it.

I think it takes a certain amount of maturity to recognize that adding nudity to a media product does not automatically make it better.

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Posted by: Riot.5210

Riot.5210

An entire server dedicated to being able to preview your character naked, despite the bread and butter of the game being acquiring shiny loots to clothe, defend and arm that character?

A lot more attention to detail went into the rendering and texture of the armor than the skin and naughty bits, I am sure.

So basically just a /naked button for fun?

I don’t care about nudity in games or the media or anything, but I do think there should be some sort of purpose. Also, RPing does not apply here, because MMORPGs are not ERP platforms, they are gaming platforms. o_O;

Sincerely,
A long-time role-player.

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Posted by: Atlas.9704

Atlas.9704

I’ll just strip my character’s armor off during April 1st and see how far he lives.
It will be Unseen Ones armor or something. Only the worthy can see my actual armor while everyone else thinks I’m a raving loon flailing a greatsword around.

Is “greatsword” a euphemism?

Now the skill that makes you spin around and throw lightning is even funnier.

Elona, Land of the Golden Sun….and undead…and poison. The travel brochure lied okay?!

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Posted by: Riot.5210

Riot.5210

It’s not realistic and would just make the world a complete joke having all these women running around naked.

Yeah, I said pretty much the same thing to my bipedal cat as we fought an undead dragon on the drive home from work today. He had just finished casting a fireball and replied, “you know what would really be ridiculous, is seeing a naked woman out here.” Then I drank a potion and turned into a tornado.

I laughed way too hard at this.

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Posted by: Atlas.9704

Atlas.9704

It’s not realistic and would just make the world a complete joke having all these women running around naked.

Yeah, I said pretty much the same thing to my bipedal cat as we fought an undead dragon on the drive home from work today. He had just finished casting a fireball and replied, “you know what would really be ridiculous, is seeing a naked woman out here.” Then I drank a potion and turned into a tornado.

That should be on the box wording for GW2.
You’ll get more purchases just to wonder ‘what the heck is going on there?!’

Elona, Land of the Golden Sun….and undead…and poison. The travel brochure lied okay?!

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Posted by: TehPwnerer.7215

TehPwnerer.7215

Na kids play this game cant do that. Besides the outrage of the big massive Jabbu the Hut body styles. Love to see some gaint Norn Blob go flopping by with all those rolls of fat jiggling around. That there is a ball of ectoplasm.
Or the skinny Asurans that disappear when they turn sideways.

Now I am all for it but this isnt a rated 18+ game and not all people and cultures respect the naked body for what I or you see it as.

Thats where Mature Servers with age verification would come into place i think it would be insteresting having mature servers the problem would be the roleplayers playing as asura since asura are so small they kinda look like kids.

Age verification: “Type in your birthday:”

… [01/01/1980] (Making up a date – that was hard, right?)

“Ok you’re verifyed, welcome to the mature server!”

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Posted by: Chuo.4238

Chuo.4238

/eyeroll

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Posted by: Riot.5210

Riot.5210

I have yet to see the justification for the mature server. Why won’t anyone tell me why something like this would be worth Anet putting time and resources into this?

Debating whether or not you want to see skinny or fat pixels, or how adults should be mature enough to handle it is irrelevant because naked Norn have nothing to do with the story at all.

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Posted by: Aequitas.6402

Aequitas.6402

Sylvari can technically be nude, what with growing the “censoring” from their own bodies… Just kidding.

But let’s be honest, if there was nudity in this game (or any online game, for that matter), it sure wouldn’t be artistic. It would veer more into the "11 year-old kid running around shouting “LOOK AT MY BOOBS LOL XDDD”-territory.

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Posted by: SneakyErvin.3056

SneakyErvin.3056

Censorship is kitten backwards in most games. Big cudos to Anet if there is actually nudity in this game, because there is no need or purpose with censoring it.

Most games that censor nudity are highly violent games or games where your type of attacks are probably the most sadistic and cruel ways to kill someone.

-snip-

Your second statement is just not true for the most part. I would say, probably 98% of all games that have nudity in them only have breasts or buttocks. If I had to scale them, I would say a mans kitten and a woman’s kitten are more “vulgar” then breasts. And I am just using this for arguement’s sake, because games that do have nudity in them, for the most part, only have breasts.

But back to your statement. Take Age of Conan for example. You can find bare chests in that game, and it is one of the most violent MMO’s out there. Here’s a shameless bump of a video I did a long time ago showing what the Assassin class can do in AoC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_rhLUUDSbg

You will literally slit your enemies throats and see buckets of blood spill out. Another move you slip behind your foe and stab your dagger into the back of there SKULL! Leaving it there for a second, then yanking it out just as he begins to fall.

Another game, and this one is old, is Duke Nukem: Time to Kill. However, with this game the only nudity I think is in the intro movie in the strip bar. But the game itself you could blow enemies limbs, heads off etc!

I dont see how my statement is false? I did say “most games that censor nudity are highly violent games”. I’m confused about what is false with it and what in your post says anything differently? I never said that all violent games have censored nudity or that all games with censored nudity are violent. I also never mentioned anything about either breasts or genitals.

I’m just stating the hypocrisy of censor laws.

IMO nothing should be censored. If it is already a game/movie with high violence, censoring nudity is pure hypocrisy. It’s just skin and flesh, a body.

I also dont think nudity would be an issue, not even among the immature bewbz crowd. Because it wouldnt be anything special, it would just be a natural part of the game.

Let Valkyries guide me to my destiny.

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Posted by: CoRtex.2157

CoRtex.2157

the problem with this is, that I wouldn’t like to see kids to grow up as pervert-RP’ers humping eachother in the game instead of actually learning how to play the game. Also from just reading your post, i think you are a pervert. (btw anyone can fake their age)

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Posted by: TehPwnerer.7215

TehPwnerer.7215

(btw anyone can fake their age)

Refer to my previous post. Lol

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Posted by: Danikat.8537

Danikat.8537

I can not do that here but it did make me appreciate the game more; the level of detail was very close to reality; which was a huge bonus. I hope in the future the game companies can become more open minded about this, I really hope so.

I don’t think a lack of nudity in games is down to closed minded developers. It’s more an issue with ratings boards, and to some extent marketing.

Developers can and have put nudity into games but it almost always guarentees that the game will be rated 18+ in most countries. If the developers (or the production company) think there is potential for the game to do well with a younger market they have to choose between losing a chunk of their playerbase or putting some clothes on the characters.

In games that are going to be 18+ anyway it’s more of an asthetic choice. A lot of them are not the kind of situations where you’d reallly expect to see naked people and including it could ruin the immersion. Or just make it impossible for people to take the game seriously.

Come to think of it, I’m actually surprised I haven’t seen what I always used to see when I’d try out WoW: a tavern full of stripped down female characters consantly /dancing.

You see it occasionally. During the Lost Shores event when everyone was crowding into all the same places I saw two female norn posing in their underwear in the house in Wizards Fife that everyone was visiting. I’m sure there’s been others but that’s the one I remember.

But it seemed to be relatively rare in GW1 as well. Although there did seem to be a tradition of female ritualists dancing in various stats of undress (and most of them didn’t wear a huge amount beyond tattoos and jewellery anyway) dancing at special events. (In my defense mine only ever did it when she was drunk. It’s not her fault special events in that game almost always included alcohol drops.)

Regardless of how this would affect the current player-base, it would look pretty bad from a PR perspective. It’d be pretty darn easy to put a negative spin on the whole thing, Ex: “Anet desperately trying to find players; CREATES EXPLICIT NUDITY SERVERS!”. Not to mention it would obviously require a rating-change, because honestly, you can put in as many “you must be 18 or older to continue” windows as you want, the kids are still gonna click yes.

Just wait till that lawyer in Florida hears. Then it’ll be “game developers lured kids in with false promises of a teen friendly game only to turn it into a giant online orgy with strangers”. Probably something even crazier, this was afterall the guy who claimed Mass Effect was a kitten simulator where you could have sex with any NPC or create characters for the purpose.*

(* The censor will have turned that into “kitten simulator”. I left it deliberately because “kitten simulator” is funny. But if you don’t know and can’t guess lets just say it’s “forcing onself upon an unwilling partner”.)

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Posted by: tigirius.9014

tigirius.9014

As a gay man and a Wiccan I’d like to thank Anet for their current attention to detail. It’s not often we find armor sets in these games that compliment male bodies as much as the female ones. I find it refreshing that they put so much effort into making the male form just as pleasing to the eye in this game. Armors that show off the chest arms and legs are very well done on this title for it’s rating.

As far as full on nudity, well unfortunately we live in a society in which they have anti-nudity laws and until those laws are changed companies will remain restricted.

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Posted by: TheVirtualFrog.8714

TheVirtualFrog.8714

(because nobody seems to ask for naked men ever)

I remember when I first installed Skyrim and went looking for mods. The very first thing I got was a texture mod that increased resolution and smoothed rough edges because if there’s one thing a PC gamer hates it’s graphics tailored for and therefore limited by consols. The very second thing however was a men body enchancer that added 100% more bodyhair to them + a nude option.

I’m a horrible human being.

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Posted by: Keiran.1896

Keiran.1896

BTW can we get those preview codes?

The only working one I found on the internet is restricted to Sylvari and it only shows the bottom part… Not really awesome

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Posted by: Draymos.5489

Draymos.5489

One day playing the game someone linked few items in map chat and I did check them out: Behold! it made my Norn female character nude and I loved it! and actually it made me play more. I do appreciate the level of detail the company made in that aspect so the question is: Would there be mature servers or ways to confirm your age in order to preview you characters nude? I’m 36 years old and I can’t not lie but the attention to the detail of the characters are very well done!

Are you a child? There is nothing wrong with nudity. But why is there a thread about this is beyond me.

Its a MMO, if your not of age than don’t play it.

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Posted by: Sorkas.1865

Sorkas.1865

Mature servers… yeah – right….
Played AOC and for a “mature” game there were a lot of kiddies (or adults who acted like that)
Bottom line is that there is no way to actively enforce mature servers and if you want nudity in a game rated T for teen then you are not paying attention to the ratings system and as other folks have said you need to go look at single player games / mods

I have issues with the double standard of parents who will let little Johny blow someone’s head off with a shotgun in COD but get upset when he sees a topless woman – but thats just the way things are

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Posted by: Shiro Tegachii.5619

Shiro Tegachii.5619

www.somethingwithhentai.com ur looking for this

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Posted by: Lil Green Dragn.8049

Lil Green Dragn.8049

Personally I don’t think there’s anything wrong with nudity if it’s handled maturely, tastefully and makes sense in whatever context it’s in. The Witcher 2 is a pretty good example of a mature game with tasteful nudity. And it’s only present when nudity would be expected in that sort of situation. Plus, the game is really an ‘adult’ game. Not just because Triss and Geralt have a bit of sexy time or that prostitution exists in the universe, but the game is full of themes like political intrigue, racial deprivation etc. So you don’t see people just walking around in the starkers. How much sense does it really make to be hopping around town without any pants?

There’s another issue I have here too. A lot of people have referenced AoC for its upper body nudity. I’ve never played AoC but I do know some about the game. From what I’ve heard (and correct me if I’m wrong) but only female characters can become nude, and only partially so. Breasts and that’s it. Males have no real ‘sexuality on top’, but this mature and natural body accepting game found it too vulgar to include anything below the waist as it were? Is this what people want from GW2 as well? Because this seems just a little bit like sexualisation of just the ladies here.

Now, if GW2 had a more mature theme going on, I suppose I’d be more open to the idea of possible nudity existing, but really, you’re a lad or lass set on a journey across the continent to help farmers and towns with menial tasks with the end goal of defeating an ever present threat of dragons. It kind of sounds like something you’d read in a fairy tale (not that I don’t really enjoy the story of GW2, because I do :p) I just don’t see where nudity would really make sense in the grand scheme of things.

Again this is all just my personal opinion and everyone is more that entitled to have their own. Plus, I rather like hearing other’s opinions on the matter

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Posted by: Weindrasi.3805

Weindrasi.3805

Here are the problems with nudity:

1. There are too many people who would use it to be obscene or perverted. Like someone above said, there would be too many young male players running around with female characters, screaming “BEWBS, BEWBS”. As a female player, I am offended by how often females are degraded into nothing more than sex objects. While there’s nothing wrong with nudity in itself, there is a problem with how people use nudity.

2. Arenanet is trying to appeal to people and cultures around the world. There are nudists playing side-by-side with ultra-conservative religious people. The company is trying to appeal to multiple cultures—and allowing nudity in any form isn’t the way to do that. If they did, they would lose some of the player base—and earn less money—as a result.

3. It’s a teen-rated game. While the rating allows for the portrayal of sexuality, violence, drugs, ect. to an extent—Arenanet is basically trying to make their game child-friendly. They want to appeal to youth, and to parents.

4. In western countries, eating disorders are on the rise. This is because the media portrays the human body—male and female—in a very unrealistic manner. From a young age, people see many more fake bodies from media, then they do real life bodies. As a result, they come to believe that bodies in the media are normal, when in truth they are edited by computers, and physically impossible for a real person to get. This not only causes people to be uncomfortable with their own bodies, but to be cruel and judgemental about the bodies of others.
The bodies in Guild Wars 2 are super-idealized. NOBODY looks like that for real. We don’t need another media outlet warping people’s perception and causing mental health problems.

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Posted by: Onshidesigns.1069

Onshidesigns.1069

Here are the problems with nudity:

1. There are too many people who would use it to be obscene or perverted. Like someone above said, there would be too many young male players running around with female characters, screaming “BEWBS, BEWBS”. As a female player, I am offended by how often females are degraded into nothing more than sex objects. While there’s nothing wrong with nudity in itself, there is a problem with how people use nudity.

2. Arenanet is trying to appeal to people and cultures around the world. There are nudists playing side-by-side with ultra-conservative religious people. The company is trying to appeal to multiple cultures—and allowing nudity in any form isn’t the way to do that. If they did, they would lose some of the player base—and earn less money—as a result.

3. It’s a teen-rated game. While the rating allows for the portrayal of sexuality, violence, drugs, ect. to an extent—Arenanet is basically trying to make their game child-friendly. They want to appeal to youth, and to parents.

4. In western countries, eating disorders are on the rise. This is because the media portrays the human body—male and female—in a very unrealistic manner. From a young age, people see many more fake bodies from media, then they do real life bodies. As a result, they come to believe that bodies in the media are normal, when in truth they are edited by computers, and physically impossible for a real person to get. This not only causes people to be uncomfortable with their own bodies, but to be cruel and judgemental about the bodies of others.
The bodies in Guild Wars 2 are super-idealized. NOBODY looks like that for real. We don’t need another media outlet warping people’s perception and causing mental health problems.

Political correctness is slowly eroding the constructional freedoms of this country. When people have overly accommodate feelings of others, it limits their own freedoms. The constitution is meant to protect against controversial speech.

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Posted by: SneakyErvin.3056

SneakyErvin.3056

the problem with this is, that I wouldn’t like to see kids to grow up as pervert-RP’ers humping eachother in the game instead of actually learning how to play the game. Also from just reading your post, i think you are a pervert. (btw anyone can fake their age)

I dont know how you got pervert from what he wrote. Is there something wrong with enjoying the vision of the human body? It’s ancient morals that puts that fix idea in peoples minds, that somehow the natural state of the human body is something filthy and sinful.

It’s better to teach kids early on that there is nothing wrong with the human body, that its perfectly normal to enjoy watching it and be attracted by it. Aslong as it’s censored from most media, there will always be the ancient closeminded view on it. And most people that enjoy looking upon a naked body are seen as perverts.

@Weindrasi.3805: The reason women are seen as sex objects is due to the morals of history, Eve and all that. The same deal for those Bewb people, its fun to them because its a “forbidden” topic. Just like giggly girls and weewees. It’s deep within the mind of people, because it’s just drone morals, nothing more, something thats no longer a religious idea, now it’s just twisted morals.

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Posted by: Urthona.3198

Urthona.3198

Personally I don’t think there’s anything wrong with nudity if it’s handled maturely, tastefully and makes sense in whatever context it’s in.

This. Honestly, it doesn’t have to be mature, just logical and consistent with the tone. Nudity works in The Witcher 2 because it’s an adult game overall. Nudity (and, dare I say, ridiculously over-the-top sexism) work in Age of Conan because it’s based on pulp fiction. Nudity in pornographic fan art of children’s animation is uncomfortable for most people not because it’s pornographic, but because it’s based on children’s animation.

Guild Wars 2, on the other hand, is a game with pop guns and manatee people and unironic quests where you help people garden. Situations where nudity made sense wouldn’t mesh at all with the tone. It would just come off as absurd or uncomfortable. It would be possible to pull it off in a “gritty reboot” sequel, but as we have learned all too well in recent years, gritty reboots usually just end up being absurd as well.

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interpol.2397

Political correctness is slowly eroding the constructional freedoms of this country. When people have overly accommodate feelings of others, it limits their own freedoms. The constitution is meant to protect against controversial speech.

And which country would that be, exactly? I don’t recall living in America, if that’s whose constitution you are referring to. Certain acts of censorship or good taste are not all attacks against your freedom. If you want to see naked warrior women shoot fireballs, the Koreans are releasing a game for that. I should also have the option of being in a game where the characters aren’t all sexual all the time.

I agree with in context nudity as well. It doesn’t make sense in a fairy-tale, teen-rated game. If your issue is with ratings and how they’re censoring your freedom of expression, then take it up with the ESRB or PEGI or whoever else.
Games require ratings, and developers need to choose which they want to fit into in order to reach their target audience. Clearly, GW2s target audience is not limited to the 18+ category, thus they have to comply to the appropriate regulations.

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Posted by: SneakyErvin.3056

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@Urthona.3198: Very true, all of it. But there are situations and places, aswell as races where naked bodies would just fit in. Slaves, harpies, demons, risen etc. There are many things in the game where a naked chest would fit in much more.

Why would a female demon wear something to cover up her chest? Is she a prude demon or something?

And it’s not uncommon within the young crowd to actually play games where nudity is very precent. For instance Warhammer, Daemonettes of Slaneesh, naked demons, and harpies in Warhammer both old and new are naked. There are other tabletop games, cant remember the name, but they had greatsword wielding barbarian chicks with a wolfskin on their back, something covering their private parts and a bare chest.

Did it kitten up any of us gamers? Nope.

What was disturbing in Warhammer was the Great Unclean one, it had giant manboobs!

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Posted by: Hazal Birunae.6082

Hazal Birunae.6082

Personally I don’t see a problem with this. However, if this bug get’s too well known we’ll have a situation similar to Oblivion (wherein modders could add nudity from discarded textures, so the ESRB re-rated Oblivion from Teen to Mature).

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Posted by: Laurelinde.4395

Laurelinde.4395

@Urthona.3198: Very true, all of it. But there are situations and places, aswell as races where naked bodies would just fit in. Slaves, harpies, demons, risen etc. There are many things in the game where a naked chest would fit in much more.

Why would a female demon wear something to cover up her chest? Is she a prude demon or something?

And it’s not uncommon within the young crowd to actually play games where nudity is very precent. For instance Warhammer, Daemonettes of Slaneesh, naked demons, and harpies in Warhammer both old and new are naked. There are other tabletop games, cant remember the name, but they had greatsword wielding barbarian chicks with a wolfskin on their back, something covering their private parts and a bare chest.

Did it kitten up any of us gamers? Nope.

What was disturbing in Warhammer was the Great Unclean one, it had giant manboobs!

In fairness, pretty much the whole Warhammer universe is not even remotely appropriate for children, or probably a lot of younger teens. All of the chaos entities, who represent in large part the primary antagonists, are pretty messed-up, and the world in general is quite dark. Heroic fantasy it is not.

Personally I feel like the many bafflingly unprotective-looking armours for women (and occasionally men) in-game are probably enough skin, I don’t see that nudity would add anything of value to the game (please note that I do not consider titillation to be of value.)

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Posted by: emikochan.8504

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I just want more clothing options T_T

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Posted by: SpyderArachnid.5619

SpyderArachnid.5619

Personally I don’t see a problem with this. However, if this bug get’s too well known we’ll have a situation similar to Oblivion (wherein modders could add nudity from discarded textures, so the ESRB re-rated Oblivion from Teen to Mature).

Oblivion is a bit different though as it was a single player game and any modding you did only affected you and you alone. With GW2, it was server wide. Meaning everyone was seeing it. If it was client side, then sure who cares. But it was server wide.

And people are already doing this with GW2 by the way. A little google searching will make it obvious. There is already nude patches and model swaps to have nudity. It is all client side though.

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