Guild Wars 2

Adry.7512:

armaduras.8972:

I find most of this argument funny. The price of adding a new race, it’s entire development, is a drop in the bucket compared to that of a new expansion— which we will be getting.

All I see is people complaining about ‘amount of work’ necessary for a new race. I’m no special snowflake— so I don’t have an issue with a nonlinear timeline. When I help a friend kill Zhaitan, my character is living in the past. I was there, I did that. I have a brain capable of including my friend in my adventure. Most people are completely overthinking new races. Introducing them to the Order of Whispers/Pact/Priory and then into the Pact wouldn’t a problem at all. A Kodan/Tengu/Quaggan/Skritt/Moa Commander? We already have Quaggan Pact Members.

When you start a level 1 human, you are starting the human in Tyria’s Past, not the Present. It would be the same thing for any new race. When I bring my Charr into Kryta, the Krytan Humans don’t address me as a “Stinking Charr”, infact they don’t talk about my race at all. Nor do the Land Stealers in Ascalon call my Human character the rightful owner of their lands. Long Live Ascalon!

^ THIS!! people dont seem to comprehend this.

Unless you want to double the voice work for lines that mention the pact commander, you have to figure out to get our new race characters to be a pact commander.

I also do not want them put into the Zhaitan story. I want a story that tells what they were doing during that time because they obviously weren’t fighting Zhaitan. Basically I want the first part of the original races’ personal stories. Before they joined the Order. And obviously, they wouldn’t join an existing order, at least not in the same way.

Some story that is unique to them.

Leo G.4501:

CMM.6712:

Leo G.4501:

CMM.6712:

Your “shoehorn a race” into the game isn’t what people want from a new race. No matter how you state it or how you portray it.

Don’t speak for everyone.

For one, your “shoehorn a race” argument might seem reasonable to some but from my perspective, you’re just being unreasonably picky. For two, you’re specifically picking out the suggestions you don’t agree with while offering nothing to replace it. For three, I don’t even think all the checkpoints you list off are even wanted by the majority and you only want it there to specifically sabotage the implementation of a new race.

Would it be nice to have a “like the original” Personal Story? Sure. How many people actually liked the majority of the PS? Not just the 1st chapter, but going through the orders, making the pact and following Trahern’s lead…How many people like the changes they made to the PS? How many players go out of their way to replay the PS on all their new characters? While I do enjoy the PS on my characters, up to a point, after you go through it once then explore some of the branching options, I don’t tend to go through most of it after that. Even with there being the PS for a new race, it’s still not a big deal (I’m certain it wouldn’t take that long to create…just about 3 Living World updates worth of missions should do it). Regardless of how much effort and time it would take to make a new race’s PS, I’m not dead set that it MUST exist just like it has for every race prior. It can be changed, it can be updated in pieces, it could coincide with living world updates, it could be something completely different. Encouraging Anet to create something polished and unique is good, but suggesting they must follow a stringent formula even if that formula is lined with hiccups and mistakes is not.

I don’t have an issue with there being a new race. I do have an issue with sidesteps and shortcuts and it not being properly implemented. Adding it by Living Story episodes, and it not having the same types of features the other races have… I and “some others” (is that better?) do not think that is the proper way to go about it.

And what would you and others know of proper? You’re not making the content, telling the story or investing the capital to have it made. My point is, if the devs want to seek a different method or outcome, partially because it would be easier, cheaper, faster, make more sense for their choice in delivery or just because they want to do something experimental, who are you to label it as a short cut when ultimately adding a race would still require a massive amount of work? I guess this truly is the age of entitlement where the only time you won’t get called out as lazy is if you take the path of most resistance and still get whined at for not devoting all resources to every individual persons desire. They could try to go above and beyond to add something but if they don’t bend over backwards while also adding some other thing while simultaneously fixing all bugs, they might as well shouldn’t have bothered at all.

Speaking as a game designer, there is no way I would take the steps you’ve mentioned to shoehorn any feature, new race or otherwise. The reason is that I care about my product. For example, voice over is tricky enough already with professionals. To have a non professional do even the simplest of tasks is just asking for problems. You mentioned using someone with a less demanding job than others to do it. Let me be perfectly clear in game design all tasks are demanding.

Speaking as a consumer there is no way I’d want to play a game that cares so little for it’s product that it would take the steps you recommend. If your looking for cheap, shoddy games to play I think you should try the indie market.

DarcShriek.5829:

Leo G.4501:

CMM.6712:

Leo G.4501:

CMM.6712:

Your “shoehorn a race” into the game isn’t what people want from a new race. No matter how you state it or how you portray it.

Don’t speak for everyone.

For one, your “shoehorn a race” argument might seem reasonable to some but from my perspective, you’re just being unreasonably picky. For two, you’re specifically picking out the suggestions you don’t agree with while offering nothing to replace it. For three, I don’t even think all the checkpoints you list off are even wanted by the majority and you only want it there to specifically sabotage the implementation of a new race.

Would it be nice to have a “like the original” Personal Story? Sure. How many people actually liked the majority of the PS? Not just the 1st chapter, but going through the orders, making the pact and following Trahern’s lead…How many people like the changes they made to the PS? How many players go out of their way to replay the PS on all their new characters? While I do enjoy the PS on my characters, up to a point, after you go through it once then explore some of the branching options, I don’t tend to go through most of it after that. Even with there being the PS for a new race, it’s still not a big deal (I’m certain it wouldn’t take that long to create…just about 3 Living World updates worth of missions should do it). Regardless of how much effort and time it would take to make a new race’s PS, I’m not dead set that it MUST exist just like it has for every race prior. It can be changed, it can be updated in pieces, it could coincide with living world updates, it could be something completely different. Encouraging Anet to create something polished and unique is good, but suggesting they must follow a stringent formula even if that formula is lined with hiccups and mistakes is not.

I don’t have an issue with there being a new race. I do have an issue with sidesteps and shortcuts and it not being properly implemented. Adding it by Living Story episodes, and it not having the same types of features the other races have… I and “some others” (is that better?) do not think that is the proper way to go about it.

And what would you and others know of proper? You’re not making the content, telling the story or investing the capital to have it made. My point is, if the devs want to seek a different method or outcome, partially because it would be easier, cheaper, faster, make more sense for their choice in delivery or just because they want to do something experimental, who are you to label it as a short cut when ultimately adding a race would still require a massive amount of work? I guess this truly is the age of entitlement where the only time you won’t get called out as lazy is if you take the path of most resistance and still get whined at for not devoting all resources to every individual persons desire. They could try to go above and beyond to add something but if they don’t bend over backwards while also adding some other thing while simultaneously fixing all bugs, they might as well shouldn’t have bothered at all.

Speaking as a game designer, there is no way I would take the steps you’ve mentioned to shoehorn any feature, new race or otherwise. The reason is that I care about my product. For example, voice over is tricky enough already with professionals. To have a non professional do even the simplest of tasks is just asking for problems. You mentioned using someone with a less demanding job than others to do it. Let me be perfectly clear in game design all tasks are demanding.

Speaking as a consumer there is no way I’d want to play a game that cares so little for it’s product that it would take the steps you recommend. If your looking for cheap, shoddy games to play I think you should try the indie market.

Exactly! and that is why adding a new race in the long run is brilliant. It’s the perfect chance for Anet to focus on lore expansion and story development. Its the depth and richness that will add even more flavor to this game. Now that Anet has found a platform for their game, I think that lore and story are the next step. A new race would be a perfect opportunity to focus on these things.

MoarChaos.8320:

CMM.6712:

Leo G.4501:

CMM.6712:

Leo G.4501:

CMM.6712:

Leo G.4501:

CMM.6712:

Leo G.4501:

CMM.6712:

Your “shoehorn a race” into the game isn’t what people want from a new race. No matter how you state it or how you portray it.

Don’t speak for everyone.

For one, your “shoehorn a race” argument might seem reasonable to some but from my perspective, you’re just being unreasonably picky. For two, you’re specifically picking out the suggestions you don’t agree with while offering nothing to replace it. For three, I don’t even think all the checkpoints you list off are even wanted by the majority and you only want it there to specifically sabotage the implementation of a new race.

Would it be nice to have a “like the original” Personal Story? Sure. How many people actually liked the majority of the PS? Not just the 1st chapter, but going through the orders, making the pact and following Trahern’s lead…How many people like the changes they made to the PS? How many players go out of their way to replay the PS on all their new characters? While I do enjoy the PS on my characters, up to a point, after you go through it once then explore some of the branching options, I don’t tend to go through most of it after that. Even with there being the PS for a new race, it’s still not a big deal (I’m certain it wouldn’t take that long to create…just about 3 Living World updates worth of missions should do it). Regardless of how much effort and time it would take to make a new race’s PS, I’m not dead set that it MUST exist just like it has for every race prior. It can be changed, it can be updated in pieces, it could coincide with living world updates, it could be something completely different. Encouraging Anet to create something polished and unique is good, but suggesting they must follow a stringent formula even if that formula is lined with hiccups and mistakes is not.

I don’t have an issue with there being a new race. I do have an issue with sidesteps and shortcuts and it not being properly implemented. Adding it by Living Story episodes, and it not having the same types of features the other races have… I and “some others” (is that better?) do not think that is the proper way to go about it.

And what would you and others know of proper? You’re not making the content, telling the story or investing the capital to have it made. My point is, if the devs want to seek a different method or outcome, partially because it would be easier, cheaper, faster, make more sense for their choice in delivery or just because they want to do something experimental, who are you to label it as a short cut when ultimately adding a race would still require a massive amount of work? I guess this truly is the age of entitlement where the only time you won’t get called out as lazy is if you take the path of most resistance and still get whined at for not devoting all resources to every individual persons desire. They could try to go above and beyond to add something but if they don’t bend over backwards while also adding some other thing while simultaneously fixing all bugs, they might as well shouldn’t have bothered at all.

Just someone who has been supporting Anet since beta of GW1…

Proper is what we already have in game as precedent.

Go play devils advocate with someone else.

Not playing devil’s advocate. I want the devs to implement a new race and cut out extra BS that barely anyone wants while doing it.

And bravo Mr. “I’ve been with Anet since GW1” on sabotaging creative freedom.

Go play entitled customer somewhere else.

Barely anyone? Got a link for that? No? I didn’t think so.

If anyone is acting entitled here it is you. Not to mention being a little kitten.

Same place you get your generalized statistical proof.

I’m not acting entitled. In fact, I’ve only advocated compromise. Compromise in what efforts could be spent in voice acting, compromise in what efforts can be spent backtracking, compromise in how many areas a new race could introduce, compromise in how armor and outfits can be made, compromise in time and effort spent overall.

I can be a reasonable poster to discuss possible suggestions but you’d actually have to present yourself as reasonable, which you are not. I also don’t want to beat my points to death in a debate so I don’t tend to stick around the forums repeating myself to all arguments.

Run along then , and let the devs do THEIR job.

Wow. Why say something like this?

The condescending tone and Bravo comment to me up there. That user started making things ugly, should I have stooped to that level no. Oh well. It is how I feel, too many indians trying to be a chief when they aren’t that.

DarcShriek.5829:

Leo G.4501:

CMM.6712:

Leo G.4501:

CMM.6712:

Your “shoehorn a race” into the game isn’t what people want from a new race. No matter how you state it or how you portray it.

Don’t speak for everyone.

For one, your “shoehorn a race” argument might seem reasonable to some but from my perspective, you’re just being unreasonably picky. For two, you’re specifically picking out the suggestions you don’t agree with while offering nothing to replace it. For three, I don’t even think all the checkpoints you list off are even wanted by the majority and you only want it there to specifically sabotage the implementation of a new race.

Would it be nice to have a “like the original” Personal Story? Sure. How many people actually liked the majority of the PS? Not just the 1st chapter, but going through the orders, making the pact and following Trahern’s lead…How many people like the changes they made to the PS? How many players go out of their way to replay the PS on all their new characters? While I do enjoy the PS on my characters, up to a point, after you go through it once then explore some of the branching options, I don’t tend to go through most of it after that. Even with there being the PS for a new race, it’s still not a big deal (I’m certain it wouldn’t take that long to create…just about 3 Living World updates worth of missions should do it). Regardless of how much effort and time it would take to make a new race’s PS, I’m not dead set that it MUST exist just like it has for every race prior. It can be changed, it can be updated in pieces, it could coincide with living world updates, it could be something completely different. Encouraging Anet to create something polished and unique is good, but suggesting they must follow a stringent formula even if that formula is lined with hiccups and mistakes is not.

I don’t have an issue with there being a new race. I do have an issue with sidesteps and shortcuts and it not being properly implemented. Adding it by Living Story episodes, and it not having the same types of features the other races have… I and “some others” (is that better?) do not think that is the proper way to go about it.

And what would you and others know of proper? You’re not making the content, telling the story or investing the capital to have it made. My point is, if the devs want to seek a different method or outcome, partially because it would be easier, cheaper, faster, make more sense for their choice in delivery or just because they want to do something experimental, who are you to label it as a short cut when ultimately adding a race would still require a massive amount of work? I guess this truly is the age of entitlement where the only time you won’t get called out as lazy is if you take the path of most resistance and still get whined at for not devoting all resources to every individual persons desire. They could try to go above and beyond to add something but if they don’t bend over backwards while also adding some other thing while simultaneously fixing all bugs, they might as well shouldn’t have bothered at all.

Speaking as a game designer, there is no way I would take the steps you’ve mentioned to shoehorn any feature, new race or otherwise. The reason is that I care about my product. For example, voice over is tricky enough already with professionals. To have a non professional do even the simplest of tasks is just asking for problems. You mentioned using someone with a less demanding job than others to do it. Let me be perfectly clear in game design all tasks are demanding.

Speaking as a consumer there is no way I’d want to play a game that cares so little for it’s product that it would take the steps you recommend. If your looking for cheap, shoddy games to play I think you should try the indie market.

Are you an indie game designer? Being a creator, in most aspects beyond just game design, you should know just as well as I, having more limitations require you to be more creative to work within the confines you’re in. The problem with AAA game designer markets is they try to build bigger and grander ontop of better graphics and open worlds. It’s a trap. You don’t need all the bells and whistles to make something amazing and take the breath away from your audience. Heck, indie games have done more in the past 5 years to change the landscape of gaming than AAA has.

It’s not wrong to want to make something amazing and high quality, but it is wrong to equate high quality with more money and resources. My viewpoint, to make things simpler and manageable, is so that you can enhance other aspects further to emphasize aspect this game does better than others, i.e. the distinctness of its races.

Adry.7512:

DarcShriek.5829:

Leo G.4501:

CMM.6712:

Leo G.4501:

CMM.6712:

Your “shoehorn a race” into the game isn’t what people want from a new race. No matter how you state it or how you portray it.

Don’t speak for everyone.

For one, your “shoehorn a race” argument might seem reasonable to some but from my perspective, you’re just being unreasonably picky. For two, you’re specifically picking out the suggestions you don’t agree with while offering nothing to replace it. For three, I don’t even think all the checkpoints you list off are even wanted by the majority and you only want it there to specifically sabotage the implementation of a new race.

Would it be nice to have a “like the original” Personal Story? Sure. How many people actually liked the majority of the PS? Not just the 1st chapter, but going through the orders, making the pact and following Trahern’s lead…How many people like the changes they made to the PS? How many players go out of their way to replay the PS on all their new characters? While I do enjoy the PS on my characters, up to a point, after you go through it once then explore some of the branching options, I don’t tend to go through most of it after that. Even with there being the PS for a new race, it’s still not a big deal (I’m certain it wouldn’t take that long to create…just about 3 Living World updates worth of missions should do it). Regardless of how much effort and time it would take to make a new race’s PS, I’m not dead set that it MUST exist just like it has for every race prior. It can be changed, it can be updated in pieces, it could coincide with living world updates, it could be something completely different. Encouraging Anet to create something polished and unique is good, but suggesting they must follow a stringent formula even if that formula is lined with hiccups and mistakes is not.

I don’t have an issue with there being a new race. I do have an issue with sidesteps and shortcuts and it not being properly implemented. Adding it by Living Story episodes, and it not having the same types of features the other races have… I and “some others” (is that better?) do not think that is the proper way to go about it.

And what would you and others know of proper? You’re not making the content, telling the story or investing the capital to have it made. My point is, if the devs want to seek a different method or outcome, partially because it would be easier, cheaper, faster, make more sense for their choice in delivery or just because they want to do something experimental, who are you to label it as a short cut when ultimately adding a race would still require a massive amount of work? I guess this truly is the age of entitlement where the only time you won’t get called out as lazy is if you take the path of most resistance and still get whined at for not devoting all resources to every individual persons desire. They could try to go above and beyond to add something but if they don’t bend over backwards while also adding some other thing while simultaneously fixing all bugs, they might as well shouldn’t have bothered at all.

Speaking as a game designer, there is no way I would take the steps you’ve mentioned to shoehorn any feature, new race or otherwise. The reason is that I care about my product. For example, voice over is tricky enough already with professionals. To have a non professional do even the simplest of tasks is just asking for problems. You mentioned using someone with a less demanding job than others to do it. Let me be perfectly clear in game design all tasks are demanding.

Speaking as a consumer there is no way I’d want to play a game that cares so little for it’s product that it would take the steps you recommend. If your looking for cheap, shoddy games to play I think you should try the indie market.

Exactly! and that is why adding a new race in the long run is brilliant. It’s the perfect chance for Anet to focus on lore expansion and story development. Its the depth and richness that will add even more flavor to this game. Now that Anet has found a platform for their game, I think that lore and story are the next step. A new race would be a perfect opportunity to focus on these things.

Not really, the story is one of the five races against the dragons. Promoting a minor race to major goes against the lore that the new races won’t emerge until after the old ones have defeated the dragons.

DarcShriek.5829:

Adry.7512:

DarcShriek.5829:

Leo G.4501:

CMM.6712:

Leo G.4501:

CMM.6712:

Your “shoehorn a race” into the game isn’t what people want from a new race. No matter how you state it or how you portray it.

Don’t speak for everyone.

For one, your “shoehorn a race” argument might seem reasonable to some but from my perspective, you’re just being unreasonably picky. For two, you’re specifically picking out the suggestions you don’t agree with while offering nothing to replace it. For three, I don’t even think all the checkpoints you list off are even wanted by the majority and you only want it there to specifically sabotage the implementation of a new race.

Would it be nice to have a “like the original” Personal Story? Sure. How many people actually liked the majority of the PS? Not just the 1st chapter, but going through the orders, making the pact and following Trahern’s lead…How many people like the changes they made to the PS? How many players go out of their way to replay the PS on all their new characters? While I do enjoy the PS on my characters, up to a point, after you go through it once then explore some of the branching options, I don’t tend to go through most of it after that. Even with there being the PS for a new race, it’s still not a big deal (I’m certain it wouldn’t take that long to create…just about 3 Living World updates worth of missions should do it). Regardless of how much effort and time it would take to make a new race’s PS, I’m not dead set that it MUST exist just like it has for every race prior. It can be changed, it can be updated in pieces, it could coincide with living world updates, it could be something completely different. Encouraging Anet to create something polished and unique is good, but suggesting they must follow a stringent formula even if that formula is lined with hiccups and mistakes is not.

I don’t have an issue with there being a new race. I do have an issue with sidesteps and shortcuts and it not being properly implemented. Adding it by Living Story episodes, and it not having the same types of features the other races have… I and “some others” (is that better?) do not think that is the proper way to go about it.

And what would you and others know of proper? You’re not making the content, telling the story or investing the capital to have it made. My point is, if the devs want to seek a different method or outcome, partially because it would be easier, cheaper, faster, make more sense for their choice in delivery or just because they want to do something experimental, who are you to label it as a short cut when ultimately adding a race would still require a massive amount of work? I guess this truly is the age of entitlement where the only time you won’t get called out as lazy is if you take the path of most resistance and still get whined at for not devoting all resources to every individual persons desire. They could try to go above and beyond to add something but if they don’t bend over backwards while also adding some other thing while simultaneously fixing all bugs, they might as well shouldn’t have bothered at all.

Speaking as a game designer, there is no way I would take the steps you’ve mentioned to shoehorn any feature, new race or otherwise. The reason is that I care about my product. For example, voice over is tricky enough already with professionals. To have a non professional do even the simplest of tasks is just asking for problems. You mentioned using someone with a less demanding job than others to do it. Let me be perfectly clear in game design all tasks are demanding.

Speaking as a consumer there is no way I’d want to play a game that cares so little for it’s product that it would take the steps you recommend. If your looking for cheap, shoddy games to play I think you should try the indie market.

Exactly! and that is why adding a new race in the long run is brilliant. It’s the perfect chance for Anet to focus on lore expansion and story development. Its the depth and richness that will add even more flavor to this game. Now that Anet has found a platform for their game, I think that lore and story are the next step. A new race would be a perfect opportunity to focus on these things.

Not really, the story is one of the five races against the dragons. Promoting a minor race to major goes against the lore that the new races won’t emerge until after the old ones have defeated the dragons.

The new race’s personal story does not have to be shoe horning them into the Zhaitan story.

Seera.5916:

DarcShriek.5829:

Adry.7512:

DarcShriek.5829:

Leo G.4501:

CMM.6712:

Leo G.4501:

CMM.6712:

Your “shoehorn a race” into the game isn’t what people want from a new race. No matter how you state it or how you portray it.

Don’t speak for everyone.

For one, your “shoehorn a race” argument might seem reasonable to some but from my perspective, you’re just being unreasonably picky. For two, you’re specifically picking out the suggestions you don’t agree with while offering nothing to replace it. For three, I don’t even think all the checkpoints you list off are even wanted by the majority and you only want it there to specifically sabotage the implementation of a new race.

Would it be nice to have a “like the original” Personal Story? Sure. How many people actually liked the majority of the PS? Not just the 1st chapter, but going through the orders, making the pact and following Trahern’s lead…How many people like the changes they made to the PS? How many players go out of their way to replay the PS on all their new characters? While I do enjoy the PS on my characters, up to a point, after you go through it once then explore some of the branching options, I don’t tend to go through most of it after that. Even with there being the PS for a new race, it’s still not a big deal (I’m certain it wouldn’t take that long to create…just about 3 Living World updates worth of missions should do it). Regardless of how much effort and time it would take to make a new race’s PS, I’m not dead set that it MUST exist just like it has for every race prior. It can be changed, it can be updated in pieces, it could coincide with living world updates, it could be something completely different. Encouraging Anet to create something polished and unique is good, but suggesting they must follow a stringent formula even if that formula is lined with hiccups and mistakes is not.

I don’t have an issue with there being a new race. I do have an issue with sidesteps and shortcuts and it not being properly implemented. Adding it by Living Story episodes, and it not having the same types of features the other races have… I and “some others” (is that better?) do not think that is the proper way to go about it.

And what would you and others know of proper? You’re not making the content, telling the story or investing the capital to have it made. My point is, if the devs want to seek a different method or outcome, partially because it would be easier, cheaper, faster, make more sense for their choice in delivery or just because they want to do something experimental, who are you to label it as a short cut when ultimately adding a race would still require a massive amount of work? I guess this truly is the age of entitlement where the only time you won’t get called out as lazy is if you take the path of most resistance and still get whined at for not devoting all resources to every individual persons desire. They could try to go above and beyond to add something but if they don’t bend over backwards while also adding some other thing while simultaneously fixing all bugs, they might as well shouldn’t have bothered at all.

Speaking as a game designer, there is no way I would take the steps you’ve mentioned to shoehorn any feature, new race or otherwise. The reason is that I care about my product. For example, voice over is tricky enough already with professionals. To have a non professional do even the simplest of tasks is just asking for problems. You mentioned using someone with a less demanding job than others to do it. Let me be perfectly clear in game design all tasks are demanding.

Speaking as a consumer there is no way I’d want to play a game that cares so little for it’s product that it would take the steps you recommend. If your looking for cheap, shoddy games to play I think you should try the indie market.

Exactly! and that is why adding a new race in the long run is brilliant. It’s the perfect chance for Anet to focus on lore expansion and story development. Its the depth and richness that will add even more flavor to this game. Now that Anet has found a platform for their game, I think that lore and story are the next step. A new race would be a perfect opportunity to focus on these things.

Not really, the story is one of the five races against the dragons. Promoting a minor race to major goes against the lore that the new races won’t emerge until after the old ones have defeated the dragons.

The new race’s personal story does not have to be shoe horning them into the Zhaitan story.

I didn’t use singular meaning just Zhaitan.

It seems to me, that the people arguing for a new race are arguing for a mediocre product.

@DarcShriek.5829

And if you’ve actually read the thread closely, you’d realize that I’m hot one saying they should add in a race at any cost. That most of my posts, except the one you’ve quoted hasn’t argued for a new race to be added. Just saying what I would want in a new race and how much work it would entail.

What I find funny is that some people think that a AAA game such as this that focuses and exploration and diversity wouldn’t add a new race. Yes guys I’m sorry but eventually they will. This game has finally found its format for creating and delivering content. The only thing they are missing is a deep focus on lore and storytelling. The addition of a new race allows developers to focus on lore expansion and story development. I’m sure that most developers in Anet have realized that what the game lacks now is lore and depth. Not only that but we will be going to new continents with different races, and you think they won’t include them into the game??? This isn’t like gw1 that you only played one race. This game needs this. It will happen. No matter what you guys think. Eventually it will come.

Adry.7512:

What I find funny is that some people think that a AAA game such as this that focuses and exploration and diversity wouldn’t add a new race. Yes guys I’m sorry but eventually they will. This game has finally found its format for creating and delivering content. The only thing they are missing is a deep focus on lore and storytelling. The addition of a new race allows developers to focus on lore expansion and story development. I’m sure that most developers in Anet have realized that what the game lacks now is lore and depth. Not only that but we will be going to new continents with different races, and you think they won’t include them into the game??? This isn’t like gw1 that you only played one race. This game needs this. It will happen. No matter what you guys think. Eventually it will come.

Since you are a developer for Anet, with the red logo right over there <———-

we can just go ahead and use this as a source then, right? New continents too, meaning

NOT Cantha and Elona? You heard it here first folks, breaking news!!!!

Relevant article on Massively OP

http://massivelyop.com/2016/12/29/the-daily-grind-how-do-you-handle-being-wrong-about-speculation-with-an-mmo/

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

What I find funny is that some people think that a AAA game such as this that focuses and exploration and diversity wouldn’t add a new race. Yes guys I’m sorry but eventually they will. This game has finally found its format for creating and delivering content. The only thing they are missing is a deep focus on lore and storytelling. The addition of a new race allows developers to focus on lore expansion and story development. I’m sure that most developers in Anet have realized that what the game lacks now is lore and depth. Not only that but we will be going to new continents with different races, and you think they won’t include them into the game??? This isn’t like gw1 that you only played one race. This game needs this. It will happen. No matter what you guys think. Eventually it will come.

Since you are a developer for Anet, with the red logo right over there <———-

we can just go ahead and use this as a source then, right? New continents too, meaning

NOT Cantha and Elona? You heard it here first folks, breaking news!!!!

Ikr!

Telling us soooo confidently that Yes, this will happen. The game needs this. Eventually it will come.

In reality he’s just one more anonymous poster on the forum and he doesn’t have any more insight into whether or not anything will happen than any other person who comes on the forum and gives their opinion.

In my opinion a new race is highly possible but much much more highly improbable. The ship to incorporate the new race into the Zhaitan arc has long since sailed and has been sunk by Bubbles.

Tengus? Oh, they’ve been around. Their archievement in the personal story? Shooting arrows at hapless survivors in LA during the Scarlet attacks and rudely threatening other races, an instant favorite.

I don’t see them being introduced in other expansions either. Nor do I see ANET taking on the hassle of splitting each story into new/old races. Also the arguments of the tons of armor sets which would have to be retrofit to the race weigh heavily. So a new race would have to use the skeleton of an old one. I for once wouldn’t be interested in a Norn with an ice bear head.

Also I doubt it is what GW2 needs. I would be far more interested in new classes/skills/elite specializations.

But I’ve been wrong before. If ANET finds a way to make it possible without using too many resources on it I hope you’ll get the race you want. I would play a skritt

The problem I see is Johnny-come-latelys coming to the forum and trying to tell people how things are gonna be.

Adry.7512:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

What I find funny is that some people think that a AAA game such as this that focuses and exploration and diversity wouldn’t add a new race. Yes guys I’m sorry but eventually they will. This game has finally found its format for creating and delivering content. The only thing they are missing is a deep focus on lore and storytelling. The addition of a new race allows developers to focus on lore expansion and story development. I’m sure that most developers in Anet have realized that what the game lacks now is lore and depth. Not only that but we will be going to new continents with different races, and you think they won’t include them into the game??? This isn’t like gw1 that you only played one race. This game needs this. It will happen. No matter what you guys think. Eventually it will come.

Since you are a developer for Anet, with the red logo right over there <———-

we can just go ahead and use this as a source then, right? New continents too, meaning

NOT Cantha and Elona? You heard it here first folks, breaking news!!!!

Ikr!

Telling us soooo confidently that Yes, this will happen. The game needs this. Eventually it will come.

In reality he’s just one more anonymous poster on the forum and he doesn’t have any more insight into whether or not anything will happen than any other person who comes on the forum and gives their opinion.

Foolish remark. New continent to the current map. So yea Cantha and so on. It’s an analytical statement. To me it makes the most sense. If you can’t wrap your head around it, then that sounds like a personal problem.

To you it makes the most sense. But you know what? You don’t have all the information. Your common sense is based on your wishes and nothing more. You should learn the difference between an analytical statement based on real knowledge and a statement based on what you want. A little humility and a recognition of the limits of what you know goes a long way. It will stop you from making definitive statements on subjects you know little about.

Chances are if we ever do get to go to Cantha or Elona that we’ll get a new race, even of it is just Human – Canthan or Human – Elonian. I just don’t want corners cut with their development of the new race just to say they added a new race. I’d rather no new race if they don’t give them the same treatment as they did to the original races.

Seera.5916:

Chances are if we ever do get to go to Cantha or Elona that we’ll get a new race, even of it is just Human – Canthan or Human – Elonian. I just don’t want corners cut with their development of the new race just to say they added a new race. I’d rather no new race if they don’t give them the same treatment as they did to the original races.

That makes alot of sense to me honestly. Why not be retro and go back to GW1 ways and have Canthan or Elonian be the new “race” and tweak the looks of the existing races in minor ways so they have a different look or flair to them. New faces, hairstyles etc. that are only available with a character actually from that respective continent.

CMM.6712:

Seera.5916:

Chances are if we ever do get to go to Cantha or Elona that we’ll get a new race, even of it is just Human – Canthan or Human – Elonian. I just don’t want corners cut with their development of the new race just to say they added a new race. I’d rather no new race if they don’t give them the same treatment as they did to the original races.

That makes alot of sense to me honestly. Why not be retro and go back to GW1 ways and have Canthan or Elonian be the new “race” and tweak the looks of the existing races in minor ways so they have a different look or flair to them. New faces, hairstyles etc. that are only available with a character actually from that respective continent.

They could do that. They could even have existing races such as Charr or Asura over there and explain it by shipwrecks or Asura gates and give those races a new look. The voices and armor would stay the same and they could fit into the vanilla personal story with no problems.

DarcShriek.5829:

Adry.7512:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

What I find funny is that some people think that a AAA game such as this that focuses and exploration and diversity wouldn’t add a new race. Yes guys I’m sorry but eventually they will. This game has finally found its format for creating and delivering content. The only thing they are missing is a deep focus on lore and storytelling. The addition of a new race allows developers to focus on lore expansion and story development. I’m sure that most developers in Anet have realized that what the game lacks now is lore and depth. Not only that but we will be going to new continents with different races, and you think they won’t include them into the game??? This isn’t like gw1 that you only played one race. This game needs this. It will happen. No matter what you guys think. Eventually it will come.

Since you are a developer for Anet, with the red logo right over there <———-

we can just go ahead and use this as a source then, right? New continents too, meaning

NOT Cantha and Elona? You heard it here first folks, breaking news!!!!

Ikr!

Telling us soooo confidently that Yes, this will happen. The game needs this. Eventually it will come.

In reality he’s just one more anonymous poster on the forum and he doesn’t have any more insight into whether or not anything will happen than any other person who comes on the forum and gives their opinion.

Foolish remark. New continent to the current map. So yea Cantha and so on. It’s an analytical statement. To me it makes the most sense. If you can’t wrap your head around it, then that sounds like a personal problem.

It only makes sense to your biases. Also, it’s pretty sad when you accuse people of having problems simply because they don’t agree with you. It’s time to come down off your judgmental high white horse.

What is sad? It’s what makes sense to me? Your assumptions are funny. Judgmental high white horse??? Are you sure you’re using the term appropriately? You seem to not get it at all. I dont care about “judging” anyone. What is said is an analytical statement and what makes the most sense??? When did you interpret that as a reality? sigh it seems the judgmental one is you.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

CMM.6712:

Seera.5916:

Chances are if we ever do get to go to Cantha or Elona that we’ll get a new race, even of it is just Human – Canthan or Human – Elonian. I just don’t want corners cut with their development of the new race just to say they added a new race. I’d rather no new race if they don’t give them the same treatment as they did to the original races.

That makes alot of sense to me honestly. Why not be retro and go back to GW1 ways and have Canthan or Elonian be the new “race” and tweak the looks of the existing races in minor ways so they have a different look or flair to them. New faces, hairstyles etc. that are only available with a character actually from that respective continent.

They could do that. They could even have existing races such as Charr or Asura over there and explain it by shipwrecks or Asura gates and give those races a new look. The voices and armor would stay the same and they could fit into the vanilla personal story with no problems.

I dont see why not. I mean Norn is a different type of human….so yea its a possibility. Plus its been so many years, who knows what new races these continents have to offer.

Adry.7512:

DarcShriek.5829:

Adry.7512:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

What I find funny is that some people think that a AAA game such as this that focuses and exploration and diversity wouldn’t add a new race. Yes guys I’m sorry but eventually they will. This game has finally found its format for creating and delivering content. The only thing they are missing is a deep focus on lore and storytelling. The addition of a new race allows developers to focus on lore expansion and story development. I’m sure that most developers in Anet have realized that what the game lacks now is lore and depth. Not only that but we will be going to new continents with different races, and you think they won’t include them into the game??? This isn’t like gw1 that you only played one race. This game needs this. It will happen. No matter what you guys think. Eventually it will come.

Since you are a developer for Anet, with the red logo right over there <———-

we can just go ahead and use this as a source then, right? New continents too, meaning

NOT Cantha and Elona? You heard it here first folks, breaking news!!!!

Ikr!

Telling us soooo confidently that Yes, this will happen. The game needs this. Eventually it will come.

In reality he’s just one more anonymous poster on the forum and he doesn’t have any more insight into whether or not anything will happen than any other person who comes on the forum and gives their opinion.

Foolish remark. New continent to the current map. So yea Cantha and so on. It’s an analytical statement. To me it makes the most sense. If you can’t wrap your head around it, then that sounds like a personal problem.

It only makes sense to your biases. Also, it’s pretty sad when you accuse people of having problems simply because they don’t agree with you. It’s time to come down off your judgmental high white horse.

What is sad? It’s what makes sense to me? Your assumptions are funny. Judgmental high white horse??? Are you sure you’re using the term appropriately? You seem to not get it at all. I dont care about “judging” anyone. What is said is an analytical statement and what makes the most sense??? When did you interpret that as a reality? sigh it seems the judgmental one is you.

Really… what I’ve seen is you making a post and telling people how things are gonna be whether they like it or not, nothing we can do to change it or stop it. So you are being put on notice that this isn’t your game, and you don’t get to make these decisions. Feel free to discuss though!

Less analytical than wildly speculative really. Not really any more facts supporting the addition of new races than there are for the addition of space craft to go after the mother of all elder dragons who lives on another planet.

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

DarcShriek.5829:

Adry.7512:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

What I find funny is that some people think that a AAA game such as this that focuses and exploration and diversity wouldn’t add a new race. Yes guys I’m sorry but eventually they will. This game has finally found its format for creating and delivering content. The only thing they are missing is a deep focus on lore and storytelling. The addition of a new race allows developers to focus on lore expansion and story development. I’m sure that most developers in Anet have realized that what the game lacks now is lore and depth. Not only that but we will be going to new continents with different races, and you think they won’t include them into the game??? This isn’t like gw1 that you only played one race. This game needs this. It will happen. No matter what you guys think. Eventually it will come.

Since you are a developer for Anet, with the red logo right over there <———-

we can just go ahead and use this as a source then, right? New continents too, meaning

NOT Cantha and Elona? You heard it here first folks, breaking news!!!!

Ikr!

Telling us soooo confidently that Yes, this will happen. The game needs this. Eventually it will come.

In reality he’s just one more anonymous poster on the forum and he doesn’t have any more insight into whether or not anything will happen than any other person who comes on the forum and gives their opinion.

Foolish remark. New continent to the current map. So yea Cantha and so on. It’s an analytical statement. To me it makes the most sense. If you can’t wrap your head around it, then that sounds like a personal problem.

It only makes sense to your biases. Also, it’s pretty sad when you accuse people of having problems simply because they don’t agree with you. It’s time to come down off your judgmental high white horse.

What is sad? It’s what makes sense to me? Your assumptions are funny. Judgmental high white horse??? Are you sure you’re using the term appropriately? You seem to not get it at all. I dont care about “judging” anyone. What is said is an analytical statement and what makes the most sense??? When did you interpret that as a reality? sigh it seems the judgmental one is you.

Really… what I’ve seen is you making a post and telling people how things are gonna be whether they like it or not, nothing we can do to change it or stop it. So you are being put on notice that this isn’t your game, and you don’t get to make these decisions. Feel free to discuss though!

Its a high probability. When i make those posts its towards people who are adamant on a definite “NO”. Which is wrong. I am speaking in terms of probability. Hell they were even considering it in their first Xpac, which was rather small and heavily rushed. Therefore, you honestly believe that it WONT happen at all for a future PLANNED Xpac? Yea right! I’m not saying YES, im saying its highly possible.

Adry.7512:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

CMM.6712:

Seera.5916:

Chances are if we ever do get to go to Cantha or Elona that we’ll get a new race, even of it is just Human – Canthan or Human – Elonian. I just don’t want corners cut with their development of the new race just to say they added a new race. I’d rather no new race if they don’t give them the same treatment as they did to the original races.

That makes alot of sense to me honestly. Why not be retro and go back to GW1 ways and have Canthan or Elonian be the new “race” and tweak the looks of the existing races in minor ways so they have a different look or flair to them. New faces, hairstyles etc. that are only available with a character actually from that respective continent.

They could do that. They could even have existing races such as Charr or Asura over there and explain it by shipwrecks or Asura gates and give those races a new look. The voices and armor would stay the same and they could fit into the vanilla personal story with no problems.

I dont see why not. I mean Norn is a different type of human….so yea its a possibility. Plus its been so many years, who knows what new races these continents have to offer.

Norn is an example of a bad race design. But how fitting a race is has no bearing on the discussion. It could be a quaggan for all anet cares. Problem is, inserting a new race after two campaigns have already happened. Say tengu or whatever gets inserted. Do you simply not have access to the Orr and Maguuma campaign? Or will they be shoehorned in with a simple error message “this is not a canon instance”.

Adry.7512:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

DarcShriek.5829:

Adry.7512:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

What I find funny is that some people think that a AAA game such as this that focuses and exploration and diversity wouldn’t add a new race. Yes guys I’m sorry but eventually they will. This game has finally found its format for creating and delivering content. The only thing they are missing is a deep focus on lore and storytelling. The addition of a new race allows developers to focus on lore expansion and story development. I’m sure that most developers in Anet have realized that what the game lacks now is lore and depth. Not only that but we will be going to new continents with different races, and you think they won’t include them into the game??? This isn’t like gw1 that you only played one race. This game needs this. It will happen. No matter what you guys think. Eventually it will come.

Since you are a developer for Anet, with the red logo right over there <———-

we can just go ahead and use this as a source then, right? New continents too, meaning

NOT Cantha and Elona? You heard it here first folks, breaking news!!!!

Ikr!

Telling us soooo confidently that Yes, this will happen. The game needs this. Eventually it will come.

In reality he’s just one more anonymous poster on the forum and he doesn’t have any more insight into whether or not anything will happen than any other person who comes on the forum and gives their opinion.

Foolish remark. New continent to the current map. So yea Cantha and so on. It’s an analytical statement. To me it makes the most sense. If you can’t wrap your head around it, then that sounds like a personal problem.

It only makes sense to your biases. Also, it’s pretty sad when you accuse people of having problems simply because they don’t agree with you. It’s time to come down off your judgmental high white horse.

What is sad? It’s what makes sense to me? Your assumptions are funny. Judgmental high white horse??? Are you sure you’re using the term appropriately? You seem to not get it at all. I dont care about “judging” anyone. What is said is an analytical statement and what makes the most sense??? When did you interpret that as a reality? sigh it seems the judgmental one is you.

Really… what I’ve seen is you making a post and telling people how things are gonna be whether they like it or not, nothing we can do to change it or stop it. So you are being put on notice that this isn’t your game, and you don’t get to make these decisions. Feel free to discuss though!

Its a high probability. When i make those posts its towards people who are adamant on a definite “NO”. Which is wrong. I am speaking in terms of probability. Hell they were even considering it in their first Xpac, which was rather small and heavily rushed. Therefore, you honestly believe that it WONT happen at all for a future PLANNED Xpac? Yea right! I’m am not saying YES, im saying its highly possible.

Probability is expressed mathematically.

Where are your numbers?

Ashen.2907:

Less analytical than wildly speculative really. Not really any more facts supporting the addition of new races than there are for the addition of space craft to go after the mother of all elder dragons who lives on another planet.

There is less evidence supporting the opinion that there wont be a new race. Its highly probable. NOT for this coming Xpac, but for a future release.

Adry.7512:

Ashen.2907:

Less analytical than wildly speculative really. Not really any more facts supporting the addition of new races than there are for the addition of space craft to go after the mother of all elder dragons who lives on another planet.

There is less evidence supporting the opinion that there wont be a new race. Its highly probable. NOT for this coming Xpac, but for a future release.

I never said that there will be no new race. But I would be delighted to see actual evidence that Anet intends to add a new race.

Where is the math demonstrating probability for your speculation?

Ashen.2907:

Adry.7512:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

DarcShriek.5829:

Adry.7512:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

What I find funny is that some people think that a AAA game such as this that focuses and exploration and diversity wouldn’t add a new race. Yes guys I’m sorry but eventually they will. This game has finally found its format for creating and delivering content. The only thing they are missing is a deep focus on lore and storytelling. The addition of a new race allows developers to focus on lore expansion and story development. I’m sure that most developers in Anet have realized that what the game lacks now is lore and depth. Not only that but we will be going to new continents with different races, and you think they won’t include them into the game??? This isn’t like gw1 that you only played one race. This game needs this. It will happen. No matter what you guys think. Eventually it will come.

Since you are a developer for Anet, with the red logo right over there <———-

we can just go ahead and use this as a source then, right? New continents too, meaning

NOT Cantha and Elona? You heard it here first folks, breaking news!!!!

Ikr!

Telling us soooo confidently that Yes, this will happen. The game needs this. Eventually it will come.

In reality he’s just one more anonymous poster on the forum and he doesn’t have any more insight into whether or not anything will happen than any other person who comes on the forum and gives their opinion.

Foolish remark. New continent to the current map. So yea Cantha and so on. It’s an analytical statement. To me it makes the most sense. If you can’t wrap your head around it, then that sounds like a personal problem.

It only makes sense to your biases. Also, it’s pretty sad when you accuse people of having problems simply because they don’t agree with you. It’s time to come down off your judgmental high white horse.

What is sad? It’s what makes sense to me? Your assumptions are funny. Judgmental high white horse??? Are you sure you’re using the term appropriately? You seem to not get it at all. I dont care about “judging” anyone. What is said is an analytical statement and what makes the most sense??? When did you interpret that as a reality? sigh it seems the judgmental one is you.

Really… what I’ve seen is you making a post and telling people how things are gonna be whether they like it or not, nothing we can do to change it or stop it. So you are being put on notice that this isn’t your game, and you don’t get to make these decisions. Feel free to discuss though!

Its a high probability. When i make those posts its towards people who are adamant on a definite “NO”. Which is wrong. I am speaking in terms of probability. Hell they were even considering it in their first Xpac, which was rather small and heavily rushed. Therefore, you honestly believe that it WONT happen at all for a future PLANNED Xpac? Yea right! I’m am not saying YES, im saying its highly possible.

Probability is expressed mathematically.

Where are your numbers?

If you’re a statistician. Probability is a word. Your comments are rather pointless and ill intended. Dont be surprised if you get ignored. Maybe if your next comment is a bit more constructive and includes a bit of depth, then you’ll receive a response. Asking for statistical date on a constructive opinion. Do you realize your comments really lead…no where? LOL

Adry.7512:

Ashen.2907:

Adry.7512:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

DarcShriek.5829:

Adry.7512:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

What I find funny is that some people think that a AAA game such as this that focuses and exploration and diversity wouldn’t add a new race. Yes guys I’m sorry but eventually they will. This game has finally found its format for creating and delivering content. The only thing they are missing is a deep focus on lore and storytelling. The addition of a new race allows developers to focus on lore expansion and story development. I’m sure that most developers in Anet have realized that what the game lacks now is lore and depth. Not only that but we will be going to new continents with different races, and you think they won’t include them into the game??? This isn’t like gw1 that you only played one race. This game needs this. It will happen. No matter what you guys think. Eventually it will come.

Since you are a developer for Anet, with the red logo right over there <———-

we can just go ahead and use this as a source then, right? New continents too, meaning

NOT Cantha and Elona? You heard it here first folks, breaking news!!!!

Ikr!

Telling us soooo confidently that Yes, this will happen. The game needs this. Eventually it will come.

In reality he’s just one more anonymous poster on the forum and he doesn’t have any more insight into whether or not anything will happen than any other person who comes on the forum and gives their opinion.

Foolish remark. New continent to the current map. So yea Cantha and so on. It’s an analytical statement. To me it makes the most sense. If you can’t wrap your head around it, then that sounds like a personal problem.

It only makes sense to your biases. Also, it’s pretty sad when you accuse people of having problems simply because they don’t agree with you. It’s time to come down off your judgmental high white horse.

What is sad? It’s what makes sense to me? Your assumptions are funny. Judgmental high white horse??? Are you sure you’re using the term appropriately? You seem to not get it at all. I dont care about “judging” anyone. What is said is an analytical statement and what makes the most sense??? When did you interpret that as a reality? sigh it seems the judgmental one is you.

Really… what I’ve seen is you making a post and telling people how things are gonna be whether they like it or not, nothing we can do to change it or stop it. So you are being put on notice that this isn’t your game, and you don’t get to make these decisions. Feel free to discuss though!

Its a high probability. When i make those posts its towards people who are adamant on a definite “NO”. Which is wrong. I am speaking in terms of probability. Hell they were even considering it in their first Xpac, which was rather small and heavily rushed. Therefore, you honestly believe that it WONT happen at all for a future PLANNED Xpac? Yea right! I’m am not saying YES, im saying its highly possible.

Probability is expressed mathematically.

Where are your numbers?

If you’re a statistician. Probability is a word. Your comments are rather pointless and ill intended. Dont be surprised if you get ignored. Maybe if your next comment is a bit more constructive and includes a bit of depth, then you’ll receive a response. Asking for statistical date on a constructive opinion. Do you realize your comments really lead…no where? LOL

So you are not able to support your claim.

Okay then.

Adry.7512:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

DarcShriek.5829:

Adry.7512:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

What I find funny is that some people think that a AAA game such as this that focuses and exploration and diversity wouldn’t add a new race. Yes guys I’m sorry but eventually they will. This game has finally found its format for creating and delivering content. The only thing they are missing is a deep focus on lore and storytelling. The addition of a new race allows developers to focus on lore expansion and story development. I’m sure that most developers in Anet have realized that what the game lacks now is lore and depth. Not only that but we will be going to new continents with different races, and you think they won’t include them into the game??? This isn’t like gw1 that you only played one race. This game needs this. It will happen. No matter what you guys think. Eventually it will come.

Since you are a developer for Anet, with the red logo right over there <———-

we can just go ahead and use this as a source then, right? New continents too, meaning

NOT Cantha and Elona? You heard it here first folks, breaking news!!!!

Ikr!

Telling us soooo confidently that Yes, this will happen. The game needs this. Eventually it will come.

In reality he’s just one more anonymous poster on the forum and he doesn’t have any more insight into whether or not anything will happen than any other person who comes on the forum and gives their opinion.

Foolish remark. New continent to the current map. So yea Cantha and so on. It’s an analytical statement. To me it makes the most sense. If you can’t wrap your head around it, then that sounds like a personal problem.

It only makes sense to your biases. Also, it’s pretty sad when you accuse people of having problems simply because they don’t agree with you. It’s time to come down off your judgmental high white horse.

What is sad? It’s what makes sense to me? Your assumptions are funny. Judgmental high white horse??? Are you sure you’re using the term appropriately? You seem to not get it at all. I dont care about “judging” anyone. What is said is an analytical statement and what makes the most sense??? When did you interpret that as a reality? sigh it seems the judgmental one is you.

Really… what I’ve seen is you making a post and telling people how things are gonna be whether they like it or not, nothing we can do to change it or stop it. So you are being put on notice that this isn’t your game, and you don’t get to make these decisions. Feel free to discuss though!

Its a high probability. When i make those posts its towards people who are adamant on a definite “NO”. Which is wrong. I am speaking in terms of probability. Hell they were even considering it in their first Xpac, which was rather small and heavily rushed. Therefore, you honestly believe that it WONT happen at all for a future PLANNED Xpac? Yea right! I’m not saying YES, im saying its highly possible.

I never said “NO” and I never said “won’t” personally, I said I’d rather see new content, which in my mind is maps, story and lore. Of course a new race is possible maybe even probable, but I will say it isn’t likely for a while, maybe until all the elder dragons are defeated.

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

DarcShriek.5829:

Adry.7512:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

What I find funny is that some people think that a AAA game such as this that focuses and exploration and diversity wouldn’t add a new race. Yes guys I’m sorry but eventually they will. This game has finally found its format for creating and delivering content. The only thing they are missing is a deep focus on lore and storytelling. The addition of a new race allows developers to focus on lore expansion and story development. I’m sure that most developers in Anet have realized that what the game lacks now is lore and depth. Not only that but we will be going to new continents with different races, and you think they won’t include them into the game??? This isn’t like gw1 that you only played one race. This game needs this. It will happen. No matter what you guys think. Eventually it will come.

Since you are a developer for Anet, with the red logo right over there <———-

we can just go ahead and use this as a source then, right? New continents too, meaning

NOT Cantha and Elona? You heard it here first folks, breaking news!!!!

Ikr!

Telling us soooo confidently that Yes, this will happen. The game needs this. Eventually it will come.

In reality he’s just one more anonymous poster on the forum and he doesn’t have any more insight into whether or not anything will happen than any other person who comes on the forum and gives their opinion.

Foolish remark. New continent to the current map. So yea Cantha and so on. It’s an analytical statement. To me it makes the most sense. If you can’t wrap your head around it, then that sounds like a personal problem.

It only makes sense to your biases. Also, it’s pretty sad when you accuse people of having problems simply because they don’t agree with you. It’s time to come down off your judgmental high white horse.

What is sad? It’s what makes sense to me? Your assumptions are funny. Judgmental high white horse??? Are you sure you’re using the term appropriately? You seem to not get it at all. I dont care about “judging” anyone. What is said is an analytical statement and what makes the most sense??? When did you interpret that as a reality? sigh it seems the judgmental one is you.

Really… what I’ve seen is you making a post and telling people how things are gonna be whether they like it or not, nothing we can do to change it or stop it. So you are being put on notice that this isn’t your game, and you don’t get to make these decisions. Feel free to discuss though!

Its a high probability. When i make those posts its towards people who are adamant on a definite “NO”. Which is wrong. I am speaking in terms of probability. Hell they were even considering it in their first Xpac, which was rather small and heavily rushed. Therefore, you honestly believe that it WONT happen at all for a future PLANNED Xpac? Yea right! I’m not saying YES, im saying its highly possible.

I never said “NO” and I never said “won’t” personally, I said I’d rather see new content, which in my mind is maps, story and lore. Of course a new race is possible maybe even probable, but I will say it isn’t likely for a while, maybe until all the elder dragons are defeated.

Well if you read the edited comment i made to the thread, youll see what a new race indicates. I’m glad you stated maps, story, and lore. Adding a new race requires a deep focus on all three. I have stated this throughout this thread repeatedly. This game needs to expand lore and add depth to their story. An Xpac that offers a new race would require a strong dedication on maps, lore, and especially story. Anyways, I dont think it will be on this Xpac, maybe on the fourth one….if we’re lucky, the third.

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Ashen.2907:

Adry.7512:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

DarcShriek.5829:

Adry.7512:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

What I find funny is that some people think that a AAA game such as this that focuses and exploration and diversity wouldn’t add a new race. Yes guys I’m sorry but eventually they will. This game has finally found its format for creating and delivering content. The only thing they are missing is a deep focus on lore and storytelling. The addition of a new race allows developers to focus on lore expansion and story development. I’m sure that most developers in Anet have realized that what the game lacks now is lore and depth. Not only that but we will be going to new continents with different races, and you think they won’t include them into the game??? This isn’t like gw1 that you only played one race. This game needs this. It will happen. No matter what you guys think. Eventually it will come.

Since you are a developer for Anet, with the red logo right over there <———-

we can just go ahead and use this as a source then, right? New continents too, meaning

NOT Cantha and Elona? You heard it here first folks, breaking news!!!!

Ikr!

Telling us soooo confidently that Yes, this will happen. The game needs this. Eventually it will come.

In reality he’s just one more anonymous poster on the forum and he doesn’t have any more insight into whether or not anything will happen than any other person who comes on the forum and gives their opinion.

Foolish remark. New continent to the current map. So yea Cantha and so on. It’s an analytical statement. To me it makes the most sense. If you can’t wrap your head around it, then that sounds like a personal problem.

It only makes sense to your biases. Also, it’s pretty sad when you accuse people of having problems simply because they don’t agree with you. It’s time to come down off your judgmental high white horse.

What is sad? It’s what makes sense to me? Your assumptions are funny. Judgmental high white horse??? Are you sure you’re using the term appropriately? You seem to not get it at all. I dont care about “judging” anyone. What is said is an analytical statement and what makes the most sense??? When did you interpret that as a reality? sigh it seems the judgmental one is you.

Really… what I’ve seen is you making a post and telling people how things are gonna be whether they like it or not, nothing we can do to change it or stop it. So you are being put on notice that this isn’t your game, and you don’t get to make these decisions. Feel free to discuss though!

Its a high probability. When i make those posts its towards people who are adamant on a definite “NO”. Which is wrong. I am speaking in terms of probability. Hell they were even considering it in their first Xpac, which was rather small and heavily rushed. Therefore, you honestly believe that it WONT happen at all for a future PLANNED Xpac? Yea right! I’m am not saying YES, im saying its highly possible.

Probability is expressed mathematically.

Where are your numbers?

If you’re a statistician. Probability is a word. Your comments are rather pointless and ill intended. Dont be surprised if you get ignored. Maybe if your next comment is a bit more constructive and includes a bit of depth, then you’ll receive a response. Asking for statistical date on a constructive opinion. Do you realize your comments really lead…no where? LOL

So you are not able to support your claim.

Okay then.

Just because someone doesn’t know the exact numbers for the chances of a new race doesn’t mean there is nothing supporting the claim. All the post says thT it’s possible and may be probable. And not even highly probable, just probable.

Adry.7512:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

DarcShriek.5829:

Adry.7512:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

What I find funny is that some people think that a AAA game such as this that focuses and exploration and diversity wouldn’t add a new race. Yes guys I’m sorry but eventually they will. This game has finally found its format for creating and delivering content. The only thing they are missing is a deep focus on lore and storytelling. The addition of a new race allows developers to focus on lore expansion and story development. I’m sure that most developers in Anet have realized that what the game lacks now is lore and depth. Not only that but we will be going to new continents with different races, and you think they won’t include them into the game??? This isn’t like gw1 that you only played one race. This game needs this. It will happen. No matter what you guys think. Eventually it will come.

Since you are a developer for Anet, with the red logo right over there <———-

we can just go ahead and use this as a source then, right? New continents too, meaning

NOT Cantha and Elona? You heard it here first folks, breaking news!!!!

Ikr!

Telling us soooo confidently that Yes, this will happen. The game needs this. Eventually it will come.

In reality he’s just one more anonymous poster on the forum and he doesn’t have any more insight into whether or not anything will happen than any other person who comes on the forum and gives their opinion.

Foolish remark. New continent to the current map. So yea Cantha and so on. It’s an analytical statement. To me it makes the most sense. If you can’t wrap your head around it, then that sounds like a personal problem.

It only makes sense to your biases. Also, it’s pretty sad when you accuse people of having problems simply because they don’t agree with you. It’s time to come down off your judgmental high white horse.

What is sad? It’s what makes sense to me? Your assumptions are funny. Judgmental high white horse??? Are you sure you’re using the term appropriately? You seem to not get it at all. I dont care about “judging” anyone. What is said is an analytical statement and what makes the most sense??? When did you interpret that as a reality? sigh it seems the judgmental one is you.

Really… what I’ve seen is you making a post and telling people how things are gonna be whether they like it or not, nothing we can do to change it or stop it. So you are being put on notice that this isn’t your game, and you don’t get to make these decisions. Feel free to discuss though!

Its a high probability. When i make those posts its towards people who are adamant on a definite “NO”. Which is wrong. I am speaking in terms of probability. Hell they were even considering it in their first Xpac, which was rather small and heavily rushed. Therefore, you honestly believe that it WONT happen at all for a future PLANNED Xpac? Yea right! I’m not saying YES, im saying its highly possible.

I never said “NO” and I never said “won’t” personally, I said I’d rather see new content, which in my mind is maps, story and lore. Of course a new race is possible maybe even probable, but I will say it isn’t likely for a while, maybe until all the elder dragons are defeated.

Well if you read the edited comment i made to the thread, youll see what a new race indicates. I’m glad you stated maps, story, and lore. Adding a new race requires a deep focus on all three. I have stated this throughout this thread repeatedly. This game needs to expand lore and add depth to their story. An Xpac that offers a new race would require a strong dedication on maps, lore, and especially story. Anyways, I dont think it will be on this Xpac, maybe on the fourth one….if we’re lucky, the third.

Yes but they can add all 3 without having to add a new race at all.

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Adry.7512:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

DarcShriek.5829:

Adry.7512:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

What I find funny is that some people think that a AAA game such as this that focuses and exploration and diversity wouldn’t add a new race. Yes guys I’m sorry but eventually they will. This game has finally found its format for creating and delivering content. The only thing they are missing is a deep focus on lore and storytelling. The addition of a new race allows developers to focus on lore expansion and story development. I’m sure that most developers in Anet have realized that what the game lacks now is lore and depth. Not only that but we will be going to new continents with different races, and you think they won’t include them into the game??? This isn’t like gw1 that you only played one race. This game needs this. It will happen. No matter what you guys think. Eventually it will come.

Since you are a developer for Anet, with the red logo right over there <———-

we can just go ahead and use this as a source then, right? New continents too, meaning

NOT Cantha and Elona? You heard it here first folks, breaking news!!!!

Ikr!

Telling us soooo confidently that Yes, this will happen. The game needs this. Eventually it will come.

In reality he’s just one more anonymous poster on the forum and he doesn’t have any more insight into whether or not anything will happen than any other person who comes on the forum and gives their opinion.

Foolish remark. New continent to the current map. So yea Cantha and so on. It’s an analytical statement. To me it makes the most sense. If you can’t wrap your head around it, then that sounds like a personal problem.

It only makes sense to your biases. Also, it’s pretty sad when you accuse people of having problems simply because they don’t agree with you. It’s time to come down off your judgmental high white horse.

What is sad? It’s what makes sense to me? Your assumptions are funny. Judgmental high white horse??? Are you sure you’re using the term appropriately? You seem to not get it at all. I dont care about “judging” anyone. What is said is an analytical statement and what makes the most sense??? When did you interpret that as a reality? sigh it seems the judgmental one is you.

Really… what I’ve seen is you making a post and telling people how things are gonna be whether they like it or not, nothing we can do to change it or stop it. So you are being put on notice that this isn’t your game, and you don’t get to make these decisions. Feel free to discuss though!

Its a high probability. When i make those posts its towards people who are adamant on a definite “NO”. Which is wrong. I am speaking in terms of probability. Hell they were even considering it in their first Xpac, which was rather small and heavily rushed. Therefore, you honestly believe that it WONT happen at all for a future PLANNED Xpac? Yea right! I’m not saying YES, im saying its highly possible.

I never said “NO” and I never said “won’t” personally, I said I’d rather see new content, which in my mind is maps, story and lore. Of course a new race is possible maybe even probable, but I will say it isn’t likely for a while, maybe until all the elder dragons are defeated.

Well if you read the edited comment i made to the thread, youll see what a new race indicates. I’m glad you stated maps, story, and lore. Adding a new race requires a deep focus on all three. I have stated this throughout this thread repeatedly. This game needs to expand lore and add depth to their story. An Xpac that offers a new race would require a strong dedication on maps, lore, and especially story. Anyways, I dont think it will be on this Xpac, maybe on the fourth one….if we’re lucky, the third.

Yes but they can add all 3 without having to add a new race at all.

Well yes of course. No doubt about that.

Adry.7512:

There seems to be this argument about a new race not happening in the near future of GW2. This opinion is backed by the fact that making a new race require a lot of work because of all the different armors that would have to be re-done and future armors for said race. THIS is backed up by a couple of dev comments stating how hard it is to make a different armor type every race, which explains why we dont get an abundance of armor per major content update.

…snip…

If anything i think this game needs an Xpac that focuses more on lore expansion and story development, which would be ideal with the addition of a new race.

Adry.7512:

Anyways, I dont think it will be on this Xpac, maybe on the fourth one….if we’re lucky, the third.

The latter statement seems more likely; somewhat of a change from the opening one.

The Devs may one day add another race; again, I’d rather they worked on adding additional content than just a different character model to play the Professions and existing content we have now, or less new content in the future.

Adry.7512:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

DarcShriek.5829:

Adry.7512:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

What I find funny is that some people think that a AAA game such as this that focuses and exploration and diversity wouldn’t add a new race. Yes guys I’m sorry but eventually they will. This game has finally found its format for creating and delivering content. The only thing they are missing is a deep focus on lore and storytelling. The addition of a new race allows developers to focus on lore expansion and story development. I’m sure that most developers in Anet have realized that what the game lacks now is lore and depth. Not only that but we will be going to new continents with different races, and you think they won’t include them into the game??? This isn’t like gw1 that you only played one race. This game needs this. It will happen. No matter what you guys think. Eventually it will come.

Since you are a developer for Anet, with the red logo right over there <———-

we can just go ahead and use this as a source then, right? New continents too, meaning

NOT Cantha and Elona? You heard it here first folks, breaking news!!!!

Ikr!

Telling us soooo confidently that Yes, this will happen. The game needs this. Eventually it will come.

In reality he’s just one more anonymous poster on the forum and he doesn’t have any more insight into whether or not anything will happen than any other person who comes on the forum and gives their opinion.

Foolish remark. New continent to the current map. So yea Cantha and so on. It’s an analytical statement. To me it makes the most sense. If you can’t wrap your head around it, then that sounds like a personal problem.

It only makes sense to your biases. Also, it’s pretty sad when you accuse people of having problems simply because they don’t agree with you. It’s time to come down off your judgmental high white horse.

What is sad? It’s what makes sense to me? Your assumptions are funny. Judgmental high white horse??? Are you sure you’re using the term appropriately? You seem to not get it at all. I dont care about “judging” anyone. What is said is an analytical statement and what makes the most sense??? When did you interpret that as a reality? sigh it seems the judgmental one is you.

Really… what I’ve seen is you making a post and telling people how things are gonna be whether they like it or not, nothing we can do to change it or stop it. So you are being put on notice that this isn’t your game, and you don’t get to make these decisions. Feel free to discuss though!

Its a high probability. When i make those posts its towards people who are adamant on a definite “NO”. Which is wrong. I am speaking in terms of probability. Hell they were even considering it in their first Xpac, which was rather small and heavily rushed. Therefore, you honestly believe that it WONT happen at all for a future PLANNED Xpac? Yea right! I’m not saying YES, im saying its highly possible.

I never said “NO” and I never said “won’t” personally, I said I’d rather see new content, which in my mind is maps, story and lore. Of course a new race is possible maybe even probable, but I will say it isn’t likely for a while, maybe until all the elder dragons are defeated.

Anyways, I dont think it will be on this Xpac, maybe on the fourth one….if we’re lucky, the third.

Not exactly “high probability”.

DarcShriek.5829:

Adry.7512:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

DarcShriek.5829:

Adry.7512:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

CMM.6712:

Adry.7512:

What I find funny is that some people think that a AAA game such as this that focuses and exploration and diversity wouldn’t add a new race. Yes guys I’m sorry but eventually they will. This game has finally found its format for creating and delivering content. The only thing they are missing is a deep focus on lore and storytelling. The addition of a new race allows developers to focus on lore expansion and story development. I’m sure that most developers in Anet have realized that what the game lacks now is lore and depth. Not only that but we will be going to new continents with different races, and you think they won’t include them into the game??? This isn’t like gw1 that you only played one race. This game needs this. It will happen. No matter what you guys think. Eventually it will come.

Since you are a developer for Anet, with the red logo right over there <———-

we can just go ahead and use this as a source then, right? New continents too, meaning

NOT Cantha and Elona? You heard it here first folks, breaking news!!!!

Ikr!

Telling us soooo confidently that Yes, this will happen. The game needs this. Eventually it will come.

In reality he’s just one more anonymous poster on the forum and he doesn’t have any more insight into whether or not anything will happen than any other person who comes on the forum and gives their opinion.

Foolish remark. New continent to the current map. So yea Cantha and so on. It’s an analytical statement. To me it makes the most sense. If you can’t wrap your head around it, then that sounds like a personal problem.

It only makes sense to your biases. Also, it’s pretty sad when you accuse people of having problems simply because they don’t agree with you. It’s time to come down off your judgmental high white horse.

What is sad? It’s what makes sense to me? Your assumptions are funny. Judgmental high white horse??? Are you sure you’re using the term appropriately? You seem to not get it at all. I dont care about “judging” anyone. What is said is an analytical statement and what makes the most sense??? When did you interpret that as a reality? sigh it seems the judgmental one is you.

Really… what I’ve seen is you making a post and telling people how things are gonna be whether they like it or not, nothing we can do to change it or stop it. So you are being put on notice that this isn’t your game, and you don’t get to make these decisions. Feel free to discuss though!

Its a high probability. When i make those posts its towards people who are adamant on a definite “NO”. Which is wrong. I am speaking in terms of probability. Hell they were even considering it in their first Xpac, which was rather small and heavily rushed. Therefore, you honestly believe that it WONT happen at all for a future PLANNED Xpac? Yea right! I’m not saying YES, im saying its highly possible.

I never said “NO” and I never said “won’t” personally, I said I’d rather see new content, which in my mind is maps, story and lore. Of course a new race is possible maybe even probable, but I will say it isn’t likely for a while, maybe until all the elder dragons are defeated.

Anyways, I dont think it will be on this Xpac, maybe on the fourth one….if we’re lucky, the third.

Not exactly “high probability”.

Eh, it depends under what circumstances the new race is implemented on. Few posters actually consider or discuss these circumstances so imagining the true probably may seem impossible.

Leo G.4501:

Eh, it depends under what circumstances the new race is implemented on. Few posters actually consider or discuss these circumstances so imagining the true probably may seem impossible.

Read again. You’ve even quoted posts where people have described in gory detail the circumstances in which a new race could be implemented, including minimum efforts and enough effort to do it “well.” Either way, it’s a lot of work and nearly all of the required resources can instead be applied to all sorts of other content.

People aren’t saying it’s unlikely because they don’t want to see a new race; they are saying it because any realistic assessment demonstrates that it’s a high-effort/lower-benefit project than lots of other things already on ANet’s plate.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Leo G.4501:

Eh, it depends under what circumstances the new race is implemented on. Few posters actually consider or discuss these circumstances so imagining the true probably may seem impossible.

Read again. You’ve even quoted posts where people have described in gory detail the circumstances in which a new race could be implemented, including minimum efforts and enough effort to do it “well.” Either way, it’s a lot of work and nearly all of the required resources can instead be applied to all sorts of other content.

People aren’t saying it’s unlikely because they don’t want to see a new race; they are saying it because any realistic assessment demonstrates that it’s a high-effort/lower-benefit project than lots of other things already on ANet’s plate.

No, I’ve read posts that assume a change in approach equates to a decrease in quality while latching onto select options (amateur voice acting, frankly the least intensive of the variables here) as proof of their assessments and dismissing other suggestions wholesale. If it were any other way, why are the same old arguments being reiterated and focusing on arguments of semantics (really having a conversation on the use of the word probability?)?

Good gameplay, concrete activities and good rewards tied to them could support the game a long way without needing too much novelty. Add maps for exploration and the playable hours multiply.

However, with time the old lore begins to thin, and eventually it feels hollow. Then is when you need something totally new to catch the audience interest again. New things with new lore and new aesthetics (Not just cosmetics): a new place, truly different and with its own lore, a new environment, a new race.

IMO there will be one day when Anet will reach this point of needing new lore, new aethetics, and a new race. Since the game still holds itself very well, I think this isn’t going to happen soon at all. 3 or 4 years, maybe, probably 2 expansions span.

But then they WILL need to choose: to make new expansion focused on new race, with all the extra effort and costs that implies…. or a whole new GW3, with an even bigger effort involved, but more powerful in the long run.

But then they WILL need to choose: to make new expansion focused on new race, with all the extra effort and costs that implies…. or a whole new GW3, with an even bigger effort involved, but more powerful in the long run.

A statement showing that Ardid has definitive knowledge of what the game will need to do. Must be nice to know so much. As for me, the older I’ve gotten the more I realize I don’t know as much as the people who actually do the work.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

But then they WILL need to choose: to make new expansion focused on new race, with all the extra effort and costs that implies…. or a whole new GW3, with an even bigger effort involved, but more powerful in the long run.

A statement showing that Ardid has definitive knowledge of what the game will need to do. Maybe he should apply for a job with ANet. Consulting maybe, since he can tell what the game absolutely will need in a few years. Must be nice to know so much. As for me, the older I’ve gotten the more I realize I don’t know as much as the people who actually do the work.

Sorry Flesh, I think you are mixing people. I’m in no way in the same boat as Adry. You seems to be cherrypicking things from my post due to your argument with Adry. Please don’t.

Leo G.4501:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Leo G.4501:

Eh, it depends under what circumstances the new race is implemented on. Few posters actually consider or discuss these circumstances so imagining the true probably may seem impossible.

Read again. You’ve even quoted posts where people have described in gory detail the circumstances in which a new race could be implemented, including minimum efforts and enough effort to do it “well.” Either way, it’s a lot of work and nearly all of the required resources can instead be applied to all sorts of other content.

People aren’t saying it’s unlikely because they don’t want to see a new race; they are saying it because any realistic assessment demonstrates that it’s a high-effort/lower-benefit project than lots of other things already on ANet’s plate.

No, I’ve read posts that assume a change in approach equates to a decrease in quality while latching onto select options (amateur voice acting, frankly the least intensive of the variables here) as proof of their assessments and dismissing other suggestions wholesale. If it were any other way, why are the same old arguments being reiterated and focusing on arguments of semantics (really having a conversation on the use of the word probability?)?

Again, no. You’ve focused on semantics and reiterating arguments, so you’ve assumed that that’s what everyone else is doing.

Try this:

• Make a list of the features that you would like to see included with a new race.
• For each feature, identify which ANet teams would have to be involved. You don’t have to know the names of the teams; it can be as simple as story, writing, armor design, combat animation, etc.
• For each team, also identify if the effort is once only or requires ongoing maintenance. (For example, setting up the Wardrobe was a major effort, but adding new skins to it requires no work beyond adding the skin. In contrast, adding a new NPC to Living World means arranging for 5 new actors for as long as the story continues.)

Here’s what others are doing with their own similar lists and the lists they’ve seen from others:

• Estimate how popular this would be for the community: niche appeal, minority appeal, broadly popular, or wildly popular.
• Compare the estimated effort to similar initiatives that ANet has implemented in the past (and/or seems to be working on now).

If you take the (small amount of) time to do this, you’ll discover what others have found: whatever effort that one might devote to a new race could also be spent on a variety of other things; in nearly all cases, those other things have a wider appeal than a new race.

In short, the question has never been: would people enjoy one or more new races in the game? (The answer is: most certainly.) Instead, people are asking: would a new race be the best use of limited resources, given the alternatives?

They probably stopped reading the thread long ago,…if ever.

And, took away the consensus that some players would enjoy a new race, but just as many (or more) are either apathetic, just not interested, or would prefer resources spent in other directions.

Ardid.7203:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

But then they WILL need to choose: to make new expansion focused on new race, with all the extra effort and costs that implies…. or a whole new GW3, with an even bigger effort involved, but more powerful in the long run.

A statement showing that Ardid has definitive knowledge of what the game will need to do. Maybe he should apply for a job with ANet. Consulting maybe, since he can tell what the game absolutely will need in a few years. Must be nice to know so much. As for me, the older I’ve gotten the more I realize I don’t know as much as the people who actually do the work.

Sorry Flesh, I think you are mixing people. I’m in no way in the same boat as Adry. You seems to be cherrypicking things from my post due to your argument with Adry. Please don’t.

Ok. You’ve confused me. Did you or did you not say that they WILL need to choose between a new race or gw3?

Amaimon.7823:

Norn is an example of a bad race design. But how fitting a race is has no bearing on the discussion. It could be a quaggan for all anet cares. Problem is, inserting a new race after two campaigns have already happened. Say tengu or whatever gets inserted. Do you simply not have access to the Orr and Maguuma campaign? Or will they be shoehorned in with a simple error message “this is not a canon instance”.

Well… Tengu were in The Pact back then. Not many, but we see Trahearne personally recruit one. There were bound to be more. We know that “lapsed” tengu were not allowed back within the walls, it’s not a stretch to say we’re playing one of them.

The tengu personal story would be “in the past” (as is the personal story of any new character), and set before they open up the area. As part of the story, you leave the tengu lands, possibly to never return. Or maybe you’re one of the ones born outside of the Dominion, we know they’re out there. Either way, you’re one of the rare few that joins an order, and none of the orders would turn away a skilled tengu that wanted to work with them. (They’re willing to recruit skritt and hylek, after all.) After that, the story goes normally. There may not be many tengu around, but there’s nothing that keeps the Commander from being one.

Once we’re done with the storyline in the past, in the present they can have the tengu open up the Dominion or not as they see fit. It would be no more of a problem than any other past/present division caused by the storylines.

(Now, for totally new races? There would be a bit more of a problem.)

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Ardid.7203:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

But then they WILL need to choose: to make new expansion focused on new race, with all the extra effort and costs that implies…. or a whole new GW3, with an even bigger effort involved, but more powerful in the long run.

A statement showing that Ardid has definitive knowledge of what the game will need to do. Maybe he should apply for a job with ANet. Consulting maybe, since he can tell what the game absolutely will need in a few years. Must be nice to know so much. As for me, the older I’ve gotten the more I realize I don’t know as much as the people who actually do the work.

Sorry Flesh, I think you are mixing people. I’m in no way in the same boat as Adry. You seems to be cherrypicking things from my post due to your argument with Adry. Please don’t.

Ok. You’ve confused me. Did you or did you not say that they WILL need to choose between a new race or gw3?

I did, however I put it well in context about it being my opinion, not a fact.

I’m fairly sure you also correct the name and the phrase “Another statement”, but since the forum doesn’t seem to have registered any edition, I’ll suppose I were just dreaming and your comment against me was somehow more freely given than I supposed.

My OPINION stands, anyway.

Edit: Oh, it does show the edit. Nice to know.

Seriously? This discussion again?
Nobody here, except for the devs know what they will or will not do.
People some time ago were saying that “the Mursaat storyline would never return to the game!” or that “expanding the explorable areas is a waste of resources since they have so many good maps already in the game”. We have seen how much those and many others things the biggest part of the community was sure about were wrong.
So I really suggest you to stop wasting your time arguing if there will be or not a new playable race, because you will never know till it happens!
I repeat, if the devs think they like the idea of having something new in the game as a new playable race, if they just like the idea, even if there are a lot of things that go against it they will find a way to make it, cutting stuff or changing how things work for the dialogues in the main story and so on.
And SPOILER! The devs are not stupid, they probably already set things up to allow a new race to be added, since that’s something that they were probably thinking when developing all the playable races.
If they don’t think that it’s gonna work now we will not see it.

Ardid.7203:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Ardid.7203:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

But then they WILL need to choose: to make new expansion focused on new race, with all the extra effort and costs that implies…. or a whole new GW3, with an even bigger effort involved, but more powerful in the long run.

A statement showing that Ardid has definitive knowledge of what the game will need to do. Maybe he should apply for a job with ANet. Consulting maybe, since he can tell what the game absolutely will need in a few years. Must be nice to know so much. As for me, the older I’ve gotten the more I realize I don’t know as much as the people who actually do the work.

Sorry Flesh, I think you are mixing people. I’m in no way in the same boat as Adry. You seems to be cherrypicking things from my post due to your argument with Adry. Please don’t.

Ok. You’ve confused me. Did you or did you not say that they WILL need to choose between a new race or gw3?

I did, however I put it well in context about it being my opinion, not a fact.

I’m fairly sure you also correct the name and the phrase “Another statement”, but since the forum doesn’t seem to have registered any edition, I’ll suppose I were just dreaming and your comment against me was somehow more freely given than I supposed.

My OPINION stands, anyway.

Edit: Oh, it does show the edit. Nice to know.

Yes, I was confused by the similar names and had to edit. However that does not change my point. You should not make definitive statements concerning things you do not actually know about. Saying it WILL happen is a declarative statement of fact, not an opinion.