Guild Wars 2

Greetings all !

First time GW player here and after reading up on previews etc.. I thought i’d give GW2 a go !
Astonishing, lively world above & under water. its the most beatiful mmo i ever played hands down. I had fun the first few levels as it was fresh, but since i reached lvl 20 it kind of feels like i’ve seen it all and am bored already , wich is no doubt very fast … .

Dynamic quests instead of npc handing quests. hmm interesting no doubt but in a zone there are 4 or 5 npc’s who dont give you a quest by clicking on it, no you just magically have the quest if you walk around in the area. thats handy but not really dynamic in my opinion. they are still there and its not because i dont need to click on them personally that the feeling is different then when it just appears in your event log.

So far i’v been having events like : defend these 2 cows or persons from point A to B.
defend a little fort from 5 or more waves of enemies. gather in a field some stuff while killing something. to me these kind of quests look like repetitive dailies and im not even at endgame where those dailies mostly occur.

Also, yay another gold medal … for what? for those 50 coppers? or that 1 silver ? Karma points where i can get some gear who doesnt appeal to me at all ? its not gear based this game and i’m fine with that but whats the point in getting some gear then anyway? they could of just levelled my gear alongside my level of character and be done with it. I dont have the feeling of wow this is my character, wow look how shiny I look. not a single moment i have been in this situation and im lvl 29 now.

Crafting looked interesting, trying to figure out schematics for crafting pieces until i see that the trading post is nothing more then a sell to vendor window wich gives you maybe 5 % profit over the vendor. So why spend time on it ? for fun ? sure, but how long does that last ya ?

The Trading post in general is not something i can make money with. I anonomously sell goods to people and i cant even choose the price since i have to go with the previous 10 000 other people selling that price. If wood cost 3 copper for the vendor and 60 % of the players sell it at 4 copper then i have to go with those 4 copper guys altough i wanted 6 copper for it. Trying to sell something at a higher price is not gonna happen , plus you lose the fee for you putting the item on the trading post.
So becoming rich in this game is non existent i think, or maybe in a far far future. Sorry I like to becoming rich in mmo’s, my playstyle is based on it, shame this game doesnt support it appearantly.

the fighting overall … I can say its the first game my eyes are hurting from fighting in events. If i didnt know any better, it could of been called epileptic wars. Whats the fun or point in this , really ? Luckily i see some numbers so i know im doing damage, cause i cant even see what i’m doing if i’m in an event with 10-20-30 pple bashing on some enemies or boss in a close area. fighting alone is oke visually, but unless its a harder mob i can just be standing there and press 1-2-3-4-5 and be done with it. if there are multiple ones , i may have to dodge or heal myself up , so thats a little bit more exciting but still not enough.
Meanwhile i go from zone to zone just running around, exploring without finding any nice chests ( i found 1 or 2) going into caves to kill new monsters i havent seen before dropping the same loot but nothing special !

I’ve done some WvW and oke the castle defense is nice, but I have done this in Darkfall online before and it just felt more fun there, and I cant be motivated to keep doing this here, mass battles and running from castle to castle. dont get me wrong, its not that bad or not fun at all, but not for constantly playing it.

So yeah, these were me 2(00) cents, I want to like it, but I dunno, maybe its not for me? am i doing it wrong? are my conclusions wrong ? plz enlighten me cause i dont know it anymore.

thx for reading my wall of text !

Games not for you, check out something else. Good luck finding some better fitting gaming entertainment.

AstroCat.7628:

Games not for you, check out something else. Good luck finding some better fitting gaming entertainment.

This….

Read what you wrote. It sounds like you are quite convinced. I’m a little beyond you in level and I haven’t had any of those feelings about the points you covered. While I have a few complaints or things I just don’t get, big picture is I’m having a blast.

If not, I’d stop playing.

Good luck Kozz.

I agree with everything you said. You’ve basically summed up my general high level feelings on this game in general. The problem is, it’s really still the best of the worst.

MMO’s in general all try to be the next big thing, but in reality I feel they’re too afraid to actually be that. GW2 makes some decent steps towards this, but they’re still too conservative to leave everyone else in the dust.

I mean…it still could be with a few tweaks, but I doubt they’ll spend the time now changing things. Perhaps when people get tired of the endless button mashing and numbers level off, they’ll take a chance.

For now, as I said, it’s still the best of the worst, so I’ll put in some more hours. For me, the opportunity to play with my girlfriend is what’s keeping me entertained. If it were just me, going at it solo, I think I would have went back to Skyrim.

Great thing about this game?

You can leave and come back later. There is no harm in finding that a game (newly released at that) lacks in certain areas. I have my beefs about some things in GW2 but I’ve found plenty of other things to do.

Crafting right now is by far my most favorite thing. Finding new recipes or creating new ones that you didn’t know before. The hunt for rare dyes. Competing in WvWvW is amazingly fun (don’t let the zergers sway you, you can play it tactically), brings some memories of DAoC back for me. I like fully exploring zones for 100% completion.

I haven’t really bothered to use the Trading Post yet, stuff like this never really interested me anyways, but you sound like a friend of mine that ended up having over four characters with capped Gold on his characters (he worked the auction house quite a bit in WoW).

But like I said, and others, take a break and come back refreshed. Or maybe try out another class and definitely try out classes you would never play before. I have always picked up a Warrior/Barbarian archetype and hated stealth classes, this time around I fell in love with my Thief with it’s ability to Steal and pop in and out of battle quickly.

Crazylegsmurphy.6430:

I agree with everything you said. You’ve basically summed up my general high level feelings on this game in general. The problem is, it’s really still the best of the worst.

MMO’s in general all try to be the next big thing, but in reality I feel they’re too afraid to actually be that. GW2 makes some decent steps towards this, but they’re still too conservative to leave everyone else in the dust.

I mean…it still could be with a few tweaks, but I doubt they’ll spend the time now changing things. Perhaps when people get tired of the endless button mashing and numbers level off, they’ll take a chance.

For now, as I said, it’s still the best of the worst, so I’ll put in some more hours. For me, the opportunity to play with my girlfriend is what’s keeping me entertained. If it were just me, going at it solo, I think I would have went back to Skyrim.

Sounds like you want Skyrim: The MMO. Afraid tech is really not there yet to facilitate that kind of a nuanced gameplay experience alongside hundreds of other players. That said, I’d still take Guild Wars 2 over Skyrim any day of the week.

AstroCat.7628:

Games not for you, check out something else. Good luck finding some better fitting gaming entertainment.

People like you should get out of the forums. He’s giving his thoughts on the game, hoping to discuss the parts that he feels isn’t living up to his standards, and there you are – telling him to move along and forget about the game.

Do you even realize what forums are for, man?

Kung : discussions don’t change the game or what issues someone is having with said game. If you’re not having fun, why stick around ?

I know i’m having loads of fun (avoiding hearts as much as possible) but that’s a playstyle difference, can’t make one game for everyone :P

You can actually profit from the TP, I’ve made several gold already. You just need to figure out how the market works and how the prices change during the day.
Also, gear actually does matter, especially while leveling. It’s true that your base stats are scaled to the zone, but your item stats aren’t. I one-shot everything level 30 below as level 80, in a level 30 zone. Whether it’s intended or not, I cannot say, but that whole “NO GEER PROWGRUSS WUT ZOW EVVAH!!” is actually not correct. It’s immensly powerful in wvw too.

I can agree with some of your sentiments; one-on-one combat against enemies is typically easy unless I’m at a level disadvantage (which I never am), and world events are typically such a huge clusterlove that you can’t tell what’s going on, and you contribute almost nothing individually to said events, where the enemies scale to the 50+ players in the area so they have monstrous health bars that take 15 minutes of skill spamming to deplete.

Many dynamic events are also very boring, like you said. Many are almost identical to the typical MMO kill X of Y monster quests, but without having to talk to an NPC to start/finish them, and more and more lately I’ve found myself following a more or less preset path from one heart to the next, diverting a little to the left or right to grab points of interest and vistas.

However, I also can’t see how they could solve these issues, particularly the player zerging during events (after all, we all want to participate), and like Crazylegs said, right now this is probably the freshest MMO I’ve ever played, even if it remains constrained by many of the trappings of its less-appealing predecessors.

I just hope guesting gets implemented soon, and WvW stops cycling between servers and operates how it’s supposed to. Also, better GPU implementation would be great. All that being said, I’m having a lot of fun regardless, so maybe the game’s just not your cup of tea, Kozz.

Actua.7521:

Sounds like you want Skyrim: The MMO. Afraid tech is really not there yet to facilitate that kind of a nuanced gameplay experience alongside hundreds of other players. That said, I’d still take Guild Wars 2 over Skyrim any day of the week.

Reading people trying to praise how the Elder Scrolls MMO has “many elements from WoW” makes me cringe. It sounds like it will do a fantastic job of simultaneously being uninteresting to anyone who liked TES in the first place and being just another clone to the “MMO crowd”.

I want to have hope for it… but I’ve just about given up.

• tangent about TES and MMOs *

qq…I can’t make money in TP. qq…I can’t profit from crafting. qq….too much market competition….

say in some other game, you have 1 mill…how much does the average weapon cost? Here, you have less money, but you can get cheap items from TP. As for getting rich, possible…but not too many will be have the knowledge, skill, dedication and patience to do it. You think you’re rich in other MMO? You may have 1 mill but still be the average…you just think you’re rich. Here, you may have only 1g but so does the average people. There’s only a very small fraction that gets rich from TP, same in other games too.

Kungkonung.6758:

AstroCat.7628:

Games not for you, check out something else. Good luck finding some better fitting gaming entertainment.

People like you should get out of the forums. He’s giving his thoughts on the game, hoping to discuss the parts that he feels isn’t living up to his standards, and there you are – telling him to move along and forget about the game.

Do you even realize what forums are for, man?

I don’t think you realize what they’re for actually. There’s no point in discussing this, he’s made up his mind (which is fine). The game’s not for him, he moves on. Simple as that.

emikochan.8504:

Kung : discussions don’t change the game or what issues someone is having with said game. If you’re not having fun, why stick around ?

I know i’m having loads of fun (avoiding hearts as much as possible) but that’s a playstyle difference, can’t make one game for everyone :P

I wish they had never put in hearts. People complain it’s too “linear” but then they refuse to do anything but follow hearts around.

I kind of agree with you when it comes to events. Some are pretty boring escort or collection stuff. However at higher levels a lot of them start a chain of event. Like first one maybe is gather stuff for some guy, next step escort that guy, then guard him while he does something and so on. And finally maybe a big boss or such spawns. Usually they take a small “break” between each step. So if you escort them and then run off you kind of miss the next steps. Also just because you don’t have to talk to NPC doesn’t mean you can’t. They usually give a bit more info about what they are doing and why.

When it comes to the tradepost the costs are set by other players. I don’t understand it either but for some reason people like selling things really cheap. But I think prices will stabilize once people start selling junk to the vendor and not putting them up for 1 copper more on the TP.

Not sure what level you are but combat and events do become more epic the higher level you become. But still don’t expect them all to be big bosses. And if you do find a event don’t leave too early and miss all the good stuff.

There is so much to disagree with, I do not know where to start, let´s try.

- events: yes, there are stale and also silly events, but most are dynamic in a way they draw several players in, a lot are chained and there is a really wide variety.
- event rewards void, because gear does not matter in this game? Are you kidding me? Are you actually trying to try different builds with different traits? Cause then you would see aquiring specific items is very useful.
- crafting and selling for very low prices in TP: well, I suggest you read a bit about something called economy. Of cause the prices for crafted goods are outrageously low just now, with hundredthousands of players training their craft skills in the first game weeks. Supply and demand, ever heard of those? Trying to profit from market in such an enviroment is a whole game in itself that requires quite some dedication, in Eve online, I sure do this, but certainly not in a start the fun game like this.
- I really do not share your boss fight experiences.

Wait ‘till level 80, you’ll find out there’s nothing to do for fun end-game.

I have been 80 for a week, thank you.

emikochan.8504:

Kung : discussions don’t change the game or what issues someone is having with said game. If you’re not having fun, why stick around ?

Discussions and suggestions don’t change the game? I beg to differ – they are the ONLY way that the game will change.

Hello All,

Regarding end-game, how long does it take to “finish” GW2? Because of PvP and WvW, there should be endless fun…joining a guild, having all out battles, etc. Some games are based ONLY on this concept… Maybe this genre is different and players don’t like both?

So what really makes this MMO different than others? I played WoW for a few hours and could not get into it.

I like the banding of players naturally to events, but I am hoping that things change a bit after low levels and that is is necessary to party-up so that goals can be accomplished. The lack of VOIP is a major impediment to this, though…

I am hoping that the story begins to draw me in…

R

Torrance.8012:

Kungkonung.6758:

AstroCat.7628:

Games not for you, check out something else. Good luck finding some better fitting gaming entertainment.

People like you should get out of the forums. He’s giving his thoughts on the game, hoping to discuss the parts that he feels isn’t living up to his standards, and there you are – telling him to move along and forget about the game.

Do you even realize what forums are for, man?

I don’t think you realize what they’re for actually. There’s no point in discussing this, he’s made up his mind (which is fine). The game’s not for him, he moves on. Simple as that.

Exactly, there is no discussion possible here. He is just venting his dissatisfaction, some people confuse having an opinion and having the right to inflict it onto people who care nothing about it.

See, the events can seem like that at first glance, but where they REALLY shine is right at the start of a chain, when they’re not even flagged as events.

Take this for an example.

I was helping some Charr feed devourer queens and preventing Flame Legion thieves from stealing devourer eggs. This was a heart quest.

However, at the end of the heart quest, an NPC wanders over, talks to the heart quest guy and says he needs baby devourers for training. Note that this is not yet an event.
I trail the guy a while after he leaves and he heads back to a corral full of baby devourers where we can help him train them for another heart quest.
Upon completion of the heart quest, yet another NPC wandered up saying that he needed devourers for the front line and was taking these ones even though they were just rookies. At this point the first event kicked in, where we escorted this guy and his devourers to a fortress on the front lines.
Upon arriving, the head devourer wrangler at the fortress decries the state of these new recruits, and mutters that he’s sure there’s a siege devourer around here somewhere.
Off he trots starting ANOTHER event where we find and in a series of 3 battles, tame a siege devourer.
At this point YET ANOTHER event started where we had to escort the siege devourer back to the fortress, protecting it from Flame Legion raiders.
Upon arrival, everyone congratulates the NPC on finding and taming a Siege Devourer, and then we’re pressed into escorting the Siege Devourer into the battle against Branded and Flame Legion troops.
By this time, we’ve attracted probably 10-15 players, and halfway to the enemy’s base, another NPC joins us with his own entourage of players; obviously there had been a concurrent event chain running and the two now merged.

We eventually broached the enemy’s gate thanks to our Siege Devourer, whereupon we were tasked with killing a Champion Branded Siege Devourer.
We died at this point, but this event chain amazed me with its complexity and depth of story, all conveyed to the player without clumsy dialogue boxes. It all just flowed, and we guided the chain through our successes or indeed our failures.

I have never seen anything like this in an MMO before, and it etched itself into my memory as a prime example of what MMOs can be capable of.

Interesting and revolutionary events ARE out there in GW2. You just have to pay more attention than just latching on to the more obvious ones.

Torrance.8012:

Kungkonung.6758:

AstroCat.7628:

Games not for you, check out something else. Good luck finding some better fitting gaming entertainment.

People like you should get out of the forums. He’s giving his thoughts on the game, hoping to discuss the parts that he feels isn’t living up to his standards, and there you are – telling him to move along and forget about the game.

Do you even realize what forums are for, man?

I don’t think you realize what they’re for actually. There’s no point in discussing this, he’s made up his mind (which is fine). The game’s not for him, he moves on. Simple as that.

“I want to like it, but I dunno, maybe its not for me? am i doing it wrong? are my conclusions wrong ?” – Obviously you didn’t read his post. He’s specifically asking for input, which few have been able to give thus far.

thanks for some encouraging posts and it looks like events are going to be better at some higher level.
I will defo give it another try but i think i will leave it a rest for now -its not that im paying a sub anyhow- and come back later when there is some more stuff as fluff , maybe even housing and when more people are scattered then the zergings now. I hope the trading post will be revamped , its defo something i hate about this game, all the rest is a mixed feeling but trading méh :s

The dynamic quests u were talking about isnt dynamic because they aren’t they’re renowned hearts it was never meant to be dynamic…