Why I believe gw2 fails miserably...
What fails miserably is the negativism (being negative just for the sake of being negative) and the same old complain to complain posters and their provocative titles, trolling for attention.
The scaling is here to stay and I’m glad, it enhances the game for me.
I’m not sure what you mean, but I am not being negative in any way. I want to re-vamp the mechanics of the game (which I enjoy playing). Why? To enjoy it even more
Well, it seems the majority of posters like scaling, and are against your proposed revamp. Seems “that other game” is including it as well. This game is the anti-MMO MMO.
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I’m a casual PvE adventurer, I enjoy combat, adventure and helping, but not farming.
I rarely do PvP or Hard PvE, unless it’s organized.
I rarely do PvP or Hard PvE, unless it’s organized.
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Their claws and weapons didn’t magically become less lethal.
They do if you become sufficiently durable. In Dragon Ball for example Goku becomes stronger by the season. If Super Saiyan Blue Goku went back to the first episode Raditz would be so far outclassed that he’d endanger himself by hitting him.
Levels in RPGs are the equivalent of DBZ power levels. Sure you don’t gain enough stats to become a moon buster but a base toughness of 5 may correlate to an average person whereas a base toughness of 20 means you’re bulletproof to regular bullets, but still as fragile as a wet paper bag compared to endgame level dragons.
But how to justify levels from a lore standpoint in Guild Wars 2? Maybe we can justify it as we’re back in time and each level represents a different place in our timeline whereas level 80 represents us in the present at our strongest. The polar bears of low level zones are no longer dangerous to our present selves, but they’re dangerous to our past level 10 selves and whenever we visit that map we’re effectively going back in time canonically.
It is the reason i stop reading dragonball combat right after the first super saiyan mode is out. The story us getting stupid, the number of the energy level is overdone. I love the 7 dragonball series where fighting tactics is important, instead of unlimited powerceep in the story.
The level scaling is perfectly fine, reason?
A traditional mmo a maxed lv player is limited to have meaningful combat in endgame zone only, while GW2 a maxed lv player, the whole game any map can have meaning combat. GW2 have some flaws, but this is a feature that make GW2 GREAT.
I can see your point, if you are someone who has big needs, but as a level 80 character you should be focusing on playing ‘meaningful’ content in zones for your area, not low-level zones. Why would anyone want to do that? The map is huge. How much more space do you need?
The arguments players have presented in this thread (most in repetition) just do not justify leaving out the traditional leveling/combat system which true players enjoy.
It’s all about… “I prefer this….”, “…but it’s better this way because..”… NO it isn’t!
Making every zone into a complete access-for-all monopoly is WRONG WRONG WRONG imo.
It also sets a very bad example for the up and coming novice gamer about how to tackle no-win situations in a gaming community.
What % is your map completion when reaching lv80?
None of my character reached 45% when they hit lv80. Are you telling me all my lv80 should only stationed in Orr, dungeon, fractial or raid upon hitting lv80? Maybe you are fine with the the higher lv the less contents to play with kind of style.
Well i am not, i enjoy revisiting some low level map, or some place i never visited. I enjoy party with low level travel around the world helping them on their jounery without killing their joys. I understand that i will be extremely boring if some high level one shot everything cross my path when i am leveling.
The scaling system provide lv80 the replayability to every single corner in Tyria, this is what matters to many of us. We all see that the Traditional MMO style is a classic yet outdated mechanics which seems to make the early maps into desert.
Classic, yes. Outdated, no 
You can’t re-design a classic game mechanic in the hope to achieve a better game, when in reality the original design is what drew players in. What you’re asking for is a safety-net for your level 80.
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The more responses of this kind I read, the more I am starting to feel that gw2 was built for the needy players in mind, who cannot handle the mechanics of a true MMO.
The more responses of this kind I read, the more I am convinced you’re just a troll. Which you are. No point in denying it.
Meanwhile I get to log into GW2, go to a low level area with my friend who just joined, and play with her without having to make an entirely new character to level with her. I’ve been having a blast the last few days fighting the Toxic Alliance and Foefire Ghosts all across Tyria with her, and never once did I get bored because the content was too trivial for me.
So regardless of what you say or what you believe constitutes a “true” MMO, I still win. You could win too. Just go to one of the MMOs that holds your hand with arbitrary numbers the way you like.
I like your loyalty
But you have been deceived.
You can’t re-design a classic game mechanic in the hope to achieve a better game, when in reality the original design is what drew players in.
Except they have re-designed it, and they did so successfully. Might as well deal with that fact because it’s not going to change.
Wong. You haven’t presented any statistics?
Nor have you. Your point? On second thought, nah, there’s no need to answer that. I’ll just let you continue to play the complaint game. Carry on. 
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Their claws and weapons didn’t magically become less lethal.
They do if you become sufficiently durable. In Dragon Ball for example Goku becomes stronger by the season. If Super Saiyan Blue Goku went back to the first episode Raditz would be so far outclassed that he’d endanger himself by hitting him.
Levels in RPGs are the equivalent of DBZ power levels. Sure you don’t gain enough stats to become a moon buster but a base toughness of 5 may correlate to an average person whereas a base toughness of 20 means you’re bulletproof to regular bullets, but still as fragile as a wet paper bag compared to endgame level dragons.
But how to justify levels from a lore standpoint in Guild Wars 2? Maybe we can justify it as we’re back in time and each level represents a different place in our timeline whereas level 80 represents us in the present at our strongest. The polar bears of low level zones are no longer dangerous to our present selves, but they’re dangerous to our past level 10 selves and whenever we visit that map we’re effectively going back in time canonically.
It is the reason i stop reading dragonball combat right after the first super saiyan mode is out. The story us getting stupid, the number of the energy level is overdone. I love the 7 dragonball series where fighting tactics is important, instead of unlimited powerceep in the story.
The level scaling is perfectly fine, reason?
A traditional mmo a maxed lv player is limited to have meaningful combat in endgame zone only, while GW2 a maxed lv player, the whole game any map can have meaning combat. GW2 have some flaws, but this is a feature that make GW2 GREAT.
I can see your point, if you are someone who has big needs, but as a level 80 character you should be focusing on playing ‘meaningful’ content in zones for your area, not low-level zones. Why would anyone want to do that? The map is huge. How much more space do you need?
The arguments players have presented in this thread (most in repetition) just do not justify leaving out the traditional leveling/combat system which true players enjoy.
It’s all about… “I prefer this….”, “…but it’s better this way because..”… NO it isn’t!
Making every zone into a complete access-for-all monopoly is WRONG WRONG WRONG imo.
It also sets a very bad example for the up and coming novice gamer about how to tackle no-win situations in a gaming community.
What % is your map completion when reaching lv80?
None of my character reached 45% when they hit lv80. Are you telling me all my lv80 should only stationed in Orr, dungeon, fractial or raid upon hitting lv80? Maybe you are fine with the the higher lv the less contents to play with kind of style.
Well i am not, i enjoy revisiting some low level map, or some place i never visited. I enjoy party with low level travel around the world helping them on their jounery without killing their joys. I understand that i will be extremely boring if some high level one shot everything cross my path when i am leveling.
The scaling system provide lv80 the replayability to every single corner in Tyria, this is what matters to many of us. We all see that the Traditional MMO style is a classic yet outdated mechanics which seems to make the early maps into desert.
Classic, yes. Outdated, no
You can’t re-design a classic game mechanic in the hope to achieve a better game, when in reality the original design is what drew players in. What you’re asking for is a safety-net for your level 80.
… sorry, but the classic leveling design that Anet rejected is NOT what ’Drew players in". What drew players into the genre in the first place was the ability to play a single game with countless other new and experienced players in a persistent world to explore through. And WTF are you rambling on about a “safety net” for? The only person in this thread asking for a ’safety net for their level 80" is the guy who thinks his level 80 should be invincible.
I have the best armour and stats at the moment, and i’m happy with everything. But I just sat back in horror as I watched a level 15 icebrood elemental in a low-level region remove half my health in a few seconds.
If they ever decide to make a gw3 I hope they get rid of that stupid scaling system, because it really makes the game look like child’s play.
Even if my health suddenly drops from 20k to 1.5k, I would expect a low level enemy to struggle against a level 80. My suspicion is that levels are actually meaningless in this game.
I’ve posted on this topic before, and I’m posting again because this is something that is still bugging me.
ADDENDUM: some of these mobs are actually killing me quicker than level 80 mobs.
You miss the whole point of GW2. Off you go now, generic MMO is that way.
Nothing to see here folks.Gw2 misses the point I am trying to put forward.
That’s not a point, though. It’s not even a double-eraser. It’s… hell, there are spheres that put out better points than you.
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Their claws and weapons didn’t magically become less lethal.
They do if you become sufficiently durable. In Dragon Ball for example Goku becomes stronger by the season. If Super Saiyan Blue Goku went back to the first episode Raditz would be so far outclassed that he’d endanger himself by hitting him.
Levels in RPGs are the equivalent of DBZ power levels. Sure you don’t gain enough stats to become a moon buster but a base toughness of 5 may correlate to an average person whereas a base toughness of 20 means you’re bulletproof to regular bullets, but still as fragile as a wet paper bag compared to endgame level dragons.
But how to justify levels from a lore standpoint in Guild Wars 2? Maybe we can justify it as we’re back in time and each level represents a different place in our timeline whereas level 80 represents us in the present at our strongest. The polar bears of low level zones are no longer dangerous to our present selves, but they’re dangerous to our past level 10 selves and whenever we visit that map we’re effectively going back in time canonically.
It is the reason i stop reading dragonball combat right after the first super saiyan mode is out. The story us getting stupid, the number of the energy level is overdone. I love the 7 dragonball series where fighting tactics is important, instead of unlimited powerceep in the story.
The level scaling is perfectly fine, reason?
A traditional mmo a maxed lv player is limited to have meaningful combat in endgame zone only, while GW2 a maxed lv player, the whole game any map can have meaning combat. GW2 have some flaws, but this is a feature that make GW2 GREAT.
I can see your point, if you are someone who has big needs, but as a level 80 character you should be focusing on playing ‘meaningful’ content in zones for your area, not low-level zones. Why would anyone want to do that? The map is huge. How much more space do you need?
The arguments players have presented in this thread (most in repetition) just do not justify leaving out the traditional leveling/combat system which true players enjoy.
It’s all about… “I prefer this….”, “…but it’s better this way because..”… NO it isn’t!
Making every zone into a complete access-for-all monopoly is WRONG WRONG WRONG imo.
It also sets a very bad example for the up and coming novice gamer about how to tackle no-win situations in a gaming community.
What % is your map completion when reaching lv80?
None of my character reached 45% when they hit lv80. Are you telling me all my lv80 should only stationed in Orr, dungeon, fractial or raid upon hitting lv80? Maybe you are fine with the the higher lv the less contents to play with kind of style.
Well i am not, i enjoy revisiting some low level map, or some place i never visited. I enjoy party with low level travel around the world helping them on their jounery without killing their joys. I understand that i will be extremely boring if some high level one shot everything cross my path when i am leveling.
The scaling system provide lv80 the replayability to every single corner in Tyria, this is what matters to many of us. We all see that the Traditional MMO style is a classic yet outdated mechanics which seems to make the early maps into desert.
Classic, yes. Outdated, no
You can’t re-design a classic game mechanic in the hope to achieve a better game, when in reality the original design is what drew players in. What you’re asking for is a safety-net for your level 80.
You can’t? Anet did, and it works and generally accepted by the people that play it; the proof is simply the success of the game. And make no mistake, downscaling IS part of the original game design, intended to do exactly the things people have point out. You’re points don’t really work for you here.
You know who else is looking into this? Blizzard with a little game called WoW. The biggest MMO there was and currently is looking exactly into the thing you say can’t be done. If that doesn’t speak to how badly your position is out of line with the industry, nothing does. Better stick to more tired, old MMO’s if one shotting mobs in low level zones is how you want to be entertained.
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Their claws and weapons didn’t magically become less lethal.
They do if you become sufficiently durable. In Dragon Ball for example Goku becomes stronger by the season. If Super Saiyan Blue Goku went back to the first episode Raditz would be so far outclassed that he’d endanger himself by hitting him.
Levels in RPGs are the equivalent of DBZ power levels. Sure you don’t gain enough stats to become a moon buster but a base toughness of 5 may correlate to an average person whereas a base toughness of 20 means you’re bulletproof to regular bullets, but still as fragile as a wet paper bag compared to endgame level dragons.
But how to justify levels from a lore standpoint in Guild Wars 2? Maybe we can justify it as we’re back in time and each level represents a different place in our timeline whereas level 80 represents us in the present at our strongest. The polar bears of low level zones are no longer dangerous to our present selves, but they’re dangerous to our past level 10 selves and whenever we visit that map we’re effectively going back in time canonically.
It is the reason i stop reading dragonball combat right after the first super saiyan mode is out. The story us getting stupid, the number of the energy level is overdone. I love the 7 dragonball series where fighting tactics is important, instead of unlimited powerceep in the story.
The level scaling is perfectly fine, reason?
A traditional mmo a maxed lv player is limited to have meaningful combat in endgame zone only, while GW2 a maxed lv player, the whole game any map can have meaning combat. GW2 have some flaws, but this is a feature that make GW2 GREAT.
I can see your point, if you are someone who has big needs, but as a level 80 character you should be focusing on playing ‘meaningful’ content in zones for your area, not low-level zones. Why would anyone want to do that? The map is huge. How much more space do you need?
The arguments players have presented in this thread (most in repetition) just do not justify leaving out the traditional leveling/combat system which true players enjoy.
It’s all about… “I prefer this….”, “…but it’s better this way because..”… NO it isn’t!
Making every zone into a complete access-for-all monopoly is WRONG WRONG WRONG imo.
It also sets a very bad example for the up and coming novice gamer about how to tackle no-win situations in a gaming community.
What % is your map completion when reaching lv80?
None of my character reached 45% when they hit lv80. Are you telling me all my lv80 should only stationed in Orr, dungeon, fractial or raid upon hitting lv80? Maybe you are fine with the the higher lv the less contents to play with kind of style.
Well i am not, i enjoy revisiting some low level map, or some place i never visited. I enjoy party with low level travel around the world helping them on their jounery without killing their joys. I understand that i will be extremely boring if some high level one shot everything cross my path when i am leveling.
The scaling system provide lv80 the replayability to every single corner in Tyria, this is what matters to many of us. We all see that the Traditional MMO style is a classic yet outdated mechanics which seems to make the early maps into desert.
Classic, yes. Outdated, no
You can’t re-design a classic game mechanic in the hope to achieve a better game, when in reality the original design is what drew players in. What you’re asking for is a safety-net for your level 80.
… sorry, but the classic leveling design that Anet rejected is NOT what ’Drew players in". What drew players into the genre in the first place was the ability to play a single game with countless other new and experienced players in a persistent world to explore through. And WTF are you rambling on about a “safety net” for? The only person in this thread asking for a ’safety net for their level 80" is the guy who thinks his level 80 should be invincible.
I have the best armour and stats at the moment, and i’m happy with everything. But I just sat back in horror as I watched a level 15 icebrood elemental in a low-level region remove half my health in a few seconds.
If they ever decide to make a gw3 I hope they get rid of that stupid scaling system, because it really makes the game look like child’s play.
Even if my health suddenly drops from 20k to 1.5k, I would expect a low level enemy to struggle against a level 80. My suspicion is that levels are actually meaningless in this game.
I’ve posted on this topic before, and I’m posting again because this is something that is still bugging me.
ADDENDUM: some of these mobs are actually killing me quicker than level 80 mobs.
You miss the whole point of GW2. Off you go now, generic MMO is that way.
Nothing to see here folks.Gw2 misses the point I am trying to put forward.
That’s not a point, though. It’s not even a double-eraser. It’s… hell, there are spheres that put out better points than you.
Hey, I want a real leveling experience. Note the keyword here, “real”. That doesn’t include a ‘manipulated’ one, or one that is serving a purpose. A safety-net is for high level players who want the reward of enjoying themselves at will in low-level regions.
Their claws and weapons didn’t magically become less lethal.
They do if you become sufficiently durable. In Dragon Ball for example Goku becomes stronger by the season. If Super Saiyan Blue Goku went back to the first episode Raditz would be so far outclassed that he’d endanger himself by hitting him.
Levels in RPGs are the equivalent of DBZ power levels. Sure you don’t gain enough stats to become a moon buster but a base toughness of 5 may correlate to an average person whereas a base toughness of 20 means you’re bulletproof to regular bullets, but still as fragile as a wet paper bag compared to endgame level dragons.
But how to justify levels from a lore standpoint in Guild Wars 2? Maybe we can justify it as we’re back in time and each level represents a different place in our timeline whereas level 80 represents us in the present at our strongest. The polar bears of low level zones are no longer dangerous to our present selves, but they’re dangerous to our past level 10 selves and whenever we visit that map we’re effectively going back in time canonically.
It is the reason i stop reading dragonball combat right after the first super saiyan mode is out. The story us getting stupid, the number of the energy level is overdone. I love the 7 dragonball series where fighting tactics is important, instead of unlimited powerceep in the story.
The level scaling is perfectly fine, reason?
A traditional mmo a maxed lv player is limited to have meaningful combat in endgame zone only, while GW2 a maxed lv player, the whole game any map can have meaning combat. GW2 have some flaws, but this is a feature that make GW2 GREAT.
I can see your point, if you are someone who has big needs, but as a level 80 character you should be focusing on playing ‘meaningful’ content in zones for your area, not low-level zones. Why would anyone want to do that? The map is huge. How much more space do you need?
The arguments players have presented in this thread (most in repetition) just do not justify leaving out the traditional leveling/combat system which true players enjoy.
It’s all about… “I prefer this….”, “…but it’s better this way because..”… NO it isn’t!
Making every zone into a complete access-for-all monopoly is WRONG WRONG WRONG imo.
It also sets a very bad example for the up and coming novice gamer about how to tackle no-win situations in a gaming community.
What % is your map completion when reaching lv80?
None of my character reached 45% when they hit lv80. Are you telling me all my lv80 should only stationed in Orr, dungeon, fractial or raid upon hitting lv80? Maybe you are fine with the the higher lv the less contents to play with kind of style.
Well i am not, i enjoy revisiting some low level map, or some place i never visited. I enjoy party with low level travel around the world helping them on their jounery without killing their joys. I understand that i will be extremely boring if some high level one shot everything cross my path when i am leveling.
The scaling system provide lv80 the replayability to every single corner in Tyria, this is what matters to many of us. We all see that the Traditional MMO style is a classic yet outdated mechanics which seems to make the early maps into desert.
Classic, yes. Outdated, no
You can’t re-design a classic game mechanic in the hope to achieve a better game, when in reality the original design is what drew players in. What you’re asking for is a safety-net for your level 80.
… sorry, but the classic leveling design that Anet rejected is NOT what ’Drew players in". What drew players into the genre in the first place was the ability to play a single game with countless other new and experienced players in a persistent world to explore through. And WTF are you rambling on about a “safety net” for? The only person in this thread asking for a ’safety net for their level 80" is the guy who thinks his level 80 should be invincible.
I have the best armour and stats at the moment, and i’m happy with everything. But I just sat back in horror as I watched a level 15 icebrood elemental in a low-level region remove half my health in a few seconds.
If they ever decide to make a gw3 I hope they get rid of that stupid scaling system, because it really makes the game look like child’s play.
Even if my health suddenly drops from 20k to 1.5k, I would expect a low level enemy to struggle against a level 80. My suspicion is that levels are actually meaningless in this game.
I’ve posted on this topic before, and I’m posting again because this is something that is still bugging me.
ADDENDUM: some of these mobs are actually killing me quicker than level 80 mobs.
You miss the whole point of GW2. Off you go now, generic MMO is that way.
Nothing to see here folks.Gw2 misses the point I am trying to put forward.
That’s not a point, though. It’s not even a double-eraser. It’s… hell, there are spheres that put out better points than you.
Hey, I want a real leveling experience. Note the keyword here, “real”. That doesn’t include a ‘manipulated’ one, or one that is serving a purpose. A safety-net is for high level players who want the reward of enjoying themselves at will in low-level regions.
As opposed to you enjoying yourself at will at low level regions by being a god?
Be careful what you ask for
ANet may give it to you.
ANet may give it to you.
Their claws and weapons didn’t magically become less lethal.
They do if you become sufficiently durable. In Dragon Ball for example Goku becomes stronger by the season. If Super Saiyan Blue Goku went back to the first episode Raditz would be so far outclassed that he’d endanger himself by hitting him.
Levels in RPGs are the equivalent of DBZ power levels. Sure you don’t gain enough stats to become a moon buster but a base toughness of 5 may correlate to an average person whereas a base toughness of 20 means you’re bulletproof to regular bullets, but still as fragile as a wet paper bag compared to endgame level dragons.
But how to justify levels from a lore standpoint in Guild Wars 2? Maybe we can justify it as we’re back in time and each level represents a different place in our timeline whereas level 80 represents us in the present at our strongest. The polar bears of low level zones are no longer dangerous to our present selves, but they’re dangerous to our past level 10 selves and whenever we visit that map we’re effectively going back in time canonically.
It is the reason i stop reading dragonball combat right after the first super saiyan mode is out. The story us getting stupid, the number of the energy level is overdone. I love the 7 dragonball series where fighting tactics is important, instead of unlimited powerceep in the story.
The level scaling is perfectly fine, reason?
A traditional mmo a maxed lv player is limited to have meaningful combat in endgame zone only, while GW2 a maxed lv player, the whole game any map can have meaning combat. GW2 have some flaws, but this is a feature that make GW2 GREAT.
I can see your point, if you are someone who has big needs, but as a level 80 character you should be focusing on playing ‘meaningful’ content in zones for your area, not low-level zones. Why would anyone want to do that? The map is huge. How much more space do you need?
The arguments players have presented in this thread (most in repetition) just do not justify leaving out the traditional leveling/combat system which true players enjoy.
It’s all about… “I prefer this….”, “…but it’s better this way because..”… NO it isn’t!
Making every zone into a complete access-for-all monopoly is WRONG WRONG WRONG imo.
It also sets a very bad example for the up and coming novice gamer about how to tackle no-win situations in a gaming community.
What % is your map completion when reaching lv80?
None of my character reached 45% when they hit lv80. Are you telling me all my lv80 should only stationed in Orr, dungeon, fractial or raid upon hitting lv80? Maybe you are fine with the the higher lv the less contents to play with kind of style.
Well i am not, i enjoy revisiting some low level map, or some place i never visited. I enjoy party with low level travel around the world helping them on their jounery without killing their joys. I understand that i will be extremely boring if some high level one shot everything cross my path when i am leveling.
The scaling system provide lv80 the replayability to every single corner in Tyria, this is what matters to many of us. We all see that the Traditional MMO style is a classic yet outdated mechanics which seems to make the early maps into desert.
Classic, yes. Outdated, no
You can’t re-design a classic game mechanic in the hope to achieve a better game, when in reality the original design is what drew players in. What you’re asking for is a safety-net for your level 80.
… sorry, but the classic leveling design that Anet rejected is NOT what ’Drew players in". What drew players into the genre in the first place was the ability to play a single game with countless other new and experienced players in a persistent world to explore through. And WTF are you rambling on about a “safety net” for? The only person in this thread asking for a ’safety net for their level 80" is the guy who thinks his level 80 should be invincible.
I have the best armour and stats at the moment, and i’m happy with everything. But I just sat back in horror as I watched a level 15 icebrood elemental in a low-level region remove half my health in a few seconds.
If they ever decide to make a gw3 I hope they get rid of that stupid scaling system, because it really makes the game look like child’s play.
Even if my health suddenly drops from 20k to 1.5k, I would expect a low level enemy to struggle against a level 80. My suspicion is that levels are actually meaningless in this game.
I’ve posted on this topic before, and I’m posting again because this is something that is still bugging me.
ADDENDUM: some of these mobs are actually killing me quicker than level 80 mobs.
You miss the whole point of GW2. Off you go now, generic MMO is that way.
Nothing to see here folks.Gw2 misses the point I am trying to put forward.
That’s not a point, though. It’s not even a double-eraser. It’s… hell, there are spheres that put out better points than you.
Hey, I want a real leveling experience. Note the keyword here, “real”. That doesn’t include a ‘manipulated’ one, or one that is serving a purpose. A safety-net is for high level players who want the reward of enjoying themselves at will in low-level regions.
GW2 delivers that as well … if you’re so inclined, you can attempt to level up in whatever zone of your choice.
Their claws and weapons didn’t magically become less lethal.
They do if you become sufficiently durable. In Dragon Ball for example Goku becomes stronger by the season. If Super Saiyan Blue Goku went back to the first episode Raditz would be so far outclassed that he’d endanger himself by hitting him.
Levels in RPGs are the equivalent of DBZ power levels. Sure you don’t gain enough stats to become a moon buster but a base toughness of 5 may correlate to an average person whereas a base toughness of 20 means you’re bulletproof to regular bullets, but still as fragile as a wet paper bag compared to endgame level dragons.
But how to justify levels from a lore standpoint in Guild Wars 2? Maybe we can justify it as we’re back in time and each level represents a different place in our timeline whereas level 80 represents us in the present at our strongest. The polar bears of low level zones are no longer dangerous to our present selves, but they’re dangerous to our past level 10 selves and whenever we visit that map we’re effectively going back in time canonically.
It is the reason i stop reading dragonball combat right after the first super saiyan mode is out. The story us getting stupid, the number of the energy level is overdone. I love the 7 dragonball series where fighting tactics is important, instead of unlimited powerceep in the story.
The level scaling is perfectly fine, reason?
A traditional mmo a maxed lv player is limited to have meaningful combat in endgame zone only, while GW2 a maxed lv player, the whole game any map can have meaning combat. GW2 have some flaws, but this is a feature that make GW2 GREAT.
I can see your point, if you are someone who has big needs, but as a level 80 character you should be focusing on playing ‘meaningful’ content in zones for your area, not low-level zones. Why would anyone want to do that? The map is huge. How much more space do you need?
The arguments players have presented in this thread (most in repetition) just do not justify leaving out the traditional leveling/combat system which true players enjoy.
It’s all about… “I prefer this….”, “…but it’s better this way because..”… NO it isn’t!
Making every zone into a complete access-for-all monopoly is WRONG WRONG WRONG imo.
It also sets a very bad example for the up and coming novice gamer about how to tackle no-win situations in a gaming community.
What % is your map completion when reaching lv80?
None of my character reached 45% when they hit lv80. Are you telling me all my lv80 should only stationed in Orr, dungeon, fractial or raid upon hitting lv80? Maybe you are fine with the the higher lv the less contents to play with kind of style.
Well i am not, i enjoy revisiting some low level map, or some place i never visited. I enjoy party with low level travel around the world helping them on their jounery without killing their joys. I understand that i will be extremely boring if some high level one shot everything cross my path when i am leveling.
The scaling system provide lv80 the replayability to every single corner in Tyria, this is what matters to many of us. We all see that the Traditional MMO style is a classic yet outdated mechanics which seems to make the early maps into desert.
Classic, yes. Outdated, no
You can’t re-design a classic game mechanic in the hope to achieve a better game, when in reality the original design is what drew players in. What you’re asking for is a safety-net for your level 80.
… sorry, but the classic leveling design that Anet rejected is NOT what ’Drew players in". What drew players into the genre in the first place was the ability to play a single game with countless other new and experienced players in a persistent world to explore through. And WTF are you rambling on about a “safety net” for? The only person in this thread asking for a ’safety net for their level 80" is the guy who thinks his level 80 should be invincible.
I have the best armour and stats at the moment, and i’m happy with everything. But I just sat back in horror as I watched a level 15 icebrood elemental in a low-level region remove half my health in a few seconds.
If they ever decide to make a gw3 I hope they get rid of that stupid scaling system, because it really makes the game look like child’s play.
Even if my health suddenly drops from 20k to 1.5k, I would expect a low level enemy to struggle against a level 80. My suspicion is that levels are actually meaningless in this game.
I’ve posted on this topic before, and I’m posting again because this is something that is still bugging me.
ADDENDUM: some of these mobs are actually killing me quicker than level 80 mobs.
You miss the whole point of GW2. Off you go now, generic MMO is that way.
Nothing to see here folks.Gw2 misses the point I am trying to put forward.
That’s not a point, though. It’s not even a double-eraser. It’s… hell, there are spheres that put out better points than you.
Hey, I want a real leveling experience. Note the keyword here, “real”. That doesn’t include a ‘manipulated’ one, or one that is serving a purpose. A safety-net is for high level players who want the reward of enjoying themselves at will in low-level regions.
There is no such thing as a ‘Real’ leveling experience. It’s all just a game. The game does have a leveling experience, anyway. As you gain levels, you acquire stronger weapons (going from one stat, to two stats, to three stats, and progress from white to blue to green to yellow to orange to pink/purple gear), more traits and traitlines, and more utility skills. That’s all a leveling experience really needs.
Scaling system is one of the best things in GW2. Keeps the whole world meaningful.
I think the scaling system prevents a lot of things.
It prevents wannabee god players, and If you really need this feeling I’d suggest go kill some lvl 2-4 mobs
It prevents content being unplayable & griefing (due to wannabee god players killing everything preventing levelling, and thus griefing low levels)
It prevents content being underleveled and thus uninteresting to high level play
ers and this also allows varying levels of players doing content together
It prevents 75% of present tyria becoming useless at the moment you hit lvl 80 and therefore you have more content.
The reason you get hit harder is cause -all stats are scaled-. This also means if you have a full zerk character you still hit way harder but your vitality and thus healthpool and toughness will be relatively lower when downscaled compared to on level characters. you should be running celestial for a normal downscale I guess…
IMHO keeping the below 80 area’s playable is a very good thing in this game…. and it makes the experience last longer, and remember you’ll be a lvl 80 with all traits and skills unlocked, max food, and max gear, though your returns might be a bit lower your capabilities are way broader.
As such I think its more a reason to say Gw2 succeeded, then gw2 failing. It mostly shows some players not understanding the scaling concept fully. Wich is IMHO their loss.
23 lvl 80’s, 9 times map, 4ele, 4ncr, 3war, 3grd, 3rgr, 2thf, 2msm, 1eng, 1 rev.
Been There, Done That & Will do it again…except maybe world completion.
Been There, Done That & Will do it again…except maybe world completion.
“Trying to please everyone would not only be challenging
but would also result in a product that might not satisfy anyone”- Roman Pichler, Strategize
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You can’t re-design a classic game mechanic in the hope to achieve a better game, when in reality the original design is what drew players in.
This point underscores (again) that you did not research GW2 before purchase. My guess is you assumed it would have this feature that you seem to want so much. You know what happens when you assume.
I’ve been on the forums since beta. I’ve seen many scores of complaints that the stats of down-scaled characters ought to be reduced again. I’ve seen four threads that I can recall complaining that it shouldn’t exist or higher-levels should have more power. Two of them (now) have been by you. In all of those threads, there were a couple of (or fewer) responses agreeing with the OP and many posters who liked down-scaling.
All evidence I’ve seem suggests you are in a very small minority. There is zero evidence that the demographic that wants the same lower zone irrelevance that you are seeking is large enough to merit any consideration.
That’s because nobody with the right tastes plays this game
Blame Abaddon, he loves your tears.
pve, raid, pvp, fractal, dungeon, world clearing, legendary questing.. Zapped!
pve, raid, pvp, fractal, dungeon, world clearing, legendary questing.. Zapped!
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1st April joke, when gw2 receives a “balance” update.