Guild Wars 2

Raine.1394:

Danikat.8537:

Raine.1394:

Sadly, they have already broken faith around the platformers in-game. Originally they were to be optional content, there for those that like them, optional otherwise. This release of the LS they have even gated voting , an important element of impact on the world, behind a mini-game platformer. I don’t do platformers and am unable to vote. It wasn’t supposed to be like this. Very sad.

Did you actually try it? Even once? Because getting up to the airship is not even remotely platforming. If you use the lightning crystal near where the elemental spawns you don’t even have to jump, you can do the entire thing never pushing more than 1 button at a time or using any kind of timing or aim.

That’s what platforming is here. Your skills are replaced by platforming skills and you use those to play a different game than the one you bought. What I object to is platforming taking over the core game, not how relatively hard or easy it is. When I play GW2 I want to play my character and his/her skills, not the skills of the month.

So you never use environmental weapons?

Vayne.8563:

Raine.1394:

Danikat.8537:

Raine.1394:

Sadly, they have already broken faith around the platformers in-game. Originally they were to be optional content, there for those that like them, optional otherwise. This release of the LS they have even gated voting , an important element of impact on the world, behind a mini-game platformer. I don’t do platformers and am unable to vote. It wasn’t supposed to be like this. Very sad.

Did you actually try it? Even once? Because getting up to the airship is not even remotely platforming. If you use the lightning crystal near where the elemental spawns you don’t even have to jump, you can do the entire thing never pushing more than 1 button at a time or using any kind of timing or aim.

That’s what platforming is here. Your skills are replaced by platforming skills and you use those to play a different game than the one you bought. What I object to is platforming taking over the core game, not how relatively hard or easy it is. When I play GW2 I want to play my character and his/her skills, not the skills of the month.

So you never use environmental weapons?

I have, and prefer my own actually. But, that would be a non-sequitur in the current discussion. My objection is to temporary mini-games that have somehow made their way into the core game, gating content for all players. This is where you learn a new game to play rather than the one you bought. And, I should say, I think mini-games are a great addition to GW2. However, I believe they should remain as originally conceived: there for those who like them, easily avoidable by those who don’t. And, when you avoid them, you should not miss out on key story elements like voting.

Danikat.8537:

Raine.1394:

Sadly, they have already broken faith around the platformers in-game. Originally they were to be optional content, there for those that like them, optional otherwise. This release of the LS they have even gated voting , an important element of impact on the world, behind a mini-game platformer. I don’t do platformers and am unable to vote. It wasn’t supposed to be like this. Very sad.

Did you actually try it? Even once? Because getting up to the airship is not even remotely platforming. If you use the lightning crystal near where the elemental spawns you don’t even have to jump, you can do the entire thing never pushing more than 1 button at a time or using any kind of timing or aim.

What they said. Just take 10 seconds to get past one part of the game :P Also who would you vote for? I’ll toss my 100+ votes at em since I couldn’t care less. (Would be more, but I just delete them now)

You don’t get to decide what’s “true” content and whatnot. SAB is content of the same quality as any other thing you may want to see. Not to mention it was massively popular.

SAB prevented my future baldness!
World 2 is currently preparing itself to become my KITTEN.
The skins are just a trading post minigame.

WE WANT THE BOX FOR THE BOX!

Raine.1394:

Vayne.8563:

Raine.1394:

Danikat.8537:

Raine.1394:

Sadly, they have already broken faith around the platformers in-game. Originally they were to be optional content, there for those that like them, optional otherwise. This release of the LS they have even gated voting , an important element of impact on the world, behind a mini-game platformer. I don’t do platformers and am unable to vote. It wasn’t supposed to be like this. Very sad.

Did you actually try it? Even once? Because getting up to the airship is not even remotely platforming. If you use the lightning crystal near where the elemental spawns you don’t even have to jump, you can do the entire thing never pushing more than 1 button at a time or using any kind of timing or aim.

That’s what platforming is here. Your skills are replaced by platforming skills and you use those to play a different game than the one you bought. What I object to is platforming taking over the core game, not how relatively hard or easy it is. When I play GW2 I want to play my character and his/her skills, not the skills of the month.

So you never use environmental weapons?

I have, and prefer my own actually. But, that would be a non-sequitur in the current discussion. My objection is to temporary mini-games that have somehow made their way into the core game, gating content for all players. This is where you learn a new game to play rather than the one you bought.

This is a ridiculous level of hyberbole. There is no “gate”. If you want to vote, you get the lightning attunement and simply place the aoes to get to the top. No gating, no jumping, no platforming and no learning any new mechanics (unless you never figured out how to place an AOE).

Rainbow Sprint.3215:

Everyone I talked to loved the SAB, including me.

Talk to yourself much do you? :P

I am sure some people loved it and some hated it.

But it is a fair point to say that Anet is focusing on fleeting content rather than persistent content.

Obviously the original poster doesn’t realize that there is a 7th, 8-bit Elder Dragon and if we don’t stop him in his own realm he may break free resulting in a mass kidnapping of Tyrian princesses.

SAB was awesome and I can’t wait for World 2.

panzer.6034:

Raine.1394:

Vayne.8563:

Raine.1394:

Danikat.8537:

Raine.1394:

Sadly, they have already broken faith around the platformers in-game. Originally they were to be optional content, there for those that like them, optional otherwise. This release of the LS they have even gated voting , an important element of impact on the world, behind a mini-game platformer. I don’t do platformers and am unable to vote. It wasn’t supposed to be like this. Very sad.

Did you actually try it? Even once? Because getting up to the airship is not even remotely platforming. If you use the lightning crystal near where the elemental spawns you don’t even have to jump, you can do the entire thing never pushing more than 1 button at a time or using any kind of timing or aim.

That’s what platforming is here. Your skills are replaced by platforming skills and you use those to play a different game than the one you bought. What I object to is platforming taking over the core game, not how relatively hard or easy it is. When I play GW2 I want to play my character and his/her skills, not the skills of the month.

So you never use environmental weapons?

I have, and prefer my own actually. But, that would be a non-sequitur in the current discussion. My objection is to temporary mini-games that have somehow made their way into the core game, gating content for all players. This is where you learn a new game to play rather than the one you bought.

This is a ridiculous level of hyberbole. There is no “gate”. If you want to vote, you get the lightning attunement and simply place the aoes to get to the top. No gating, no jumping, no platforming and no learning any new mechanics (unless you never figured out how to place an AOE).

No hyperbole required. But, I see that some are unfamiliar with gaming genre. If you can watch the dev livestream introducing this content and not understand that the new content is an extended platformer, you simply are unfamiliar with gaming. Platforming is extremely niche within the greater MMO content market. It makes no sense whatsoever to move the story forward through a niche element.

Raine.1394:

panzer.6034:

Raine.1394:

Vayne.8563:

Raine.1394:

Danikat.8537:

Raine.1394:

Sadly, they have already broken faith around the platformers in-game. Originally they were to be optional content, there for those that like them, optional otherwise. This release of the LS they have even gated voting , an important element of impact on the world, behind a mini-game platformer. I don’t do platformers and am unable to vote. It wasn’t supposed to be like this. Very sad.

Did you actually try it? Even once? Because getting up to the airship is not even remotely platforming. If you use the lightning crystal near where the elemental spawns you don’t even have to jump, you can do the entire thing never pushing more than 1 button at a time or using any kind of timing or aim.

That’s what platforming is here. Your skills are replaced by platforming skills and you use those to play a different game than the one you bought. What I object to is platforming taking over the core game, not how relatively hard or easy it is. When I play GW2 I want to play my character and his/her skills, not the skills of the month.

So you never use environmental weapons?

I have, and prefer my own actually. But, that would be a non-sequitur in the current discussion. My objection is to temporary mini-games that have somehow made their way into the core game, gating content for all players. This is where you learn a new game to play rather than the one you bought.

This is a ridiculous level of hyberbole. There is no “gate”. If you want to vote, you get the lightning attunement and simply place the aoes to get to the top. No gating, no jumping, no platforming and no learning any new mechanics (unless you never figured out how to place an AOE).

No hyperbole required. But, I see that some are unfamiliar with gaming genre. If you can watch the dev livestream and not understand that the new content is an extended platformer, you simply are unfamiliar with gaming. Platforming is extremely niche within the greater MMO content market. It makes no sense whatsoever to move the story forward through a niche element.

I’ve been playing games since Atari so, yeah, i’m very aware of what platforming is. Complaining about how this content is somehow gated by any sort of “platforming” is beyond absurd though, because you don’t need to make any controlled jumps to get to the voting. Someone with no fingers could easily place a few AOEs and make their way to the top without EVER HITTING THE SPACE BAR. Stop inventing something to be upset about.

panzer.6034:

Raine.1394:

panzer.6034:

Raine.1394:

Vayne.8563:

Raine.1394:

Danikat.8537:

Raine.1394:

Sadly, they have already broken faith around the platformers in-game. Originally they were to be optional content, there for those that like them, optional otherwise. This release of the LS they have even gated voting , an important element of impact on the world, behind a mini-game platformer. I don’t do platformers and am unable to vote. It wasn’t supposed to be like this. Very sad.

Did you actually try it? Even once? Because getting up to the airship is not even remotely platforming. If you use the lightning crystal near where the elemental spawns you don’t even have to jump, you can do the entire thing never pushing more than 1 button at a time or using any kind of timing or aim.

That’s what platforming is here. Your skills are replaced by platforming skills and you use those to play a different game than the one you bought. What I object to is platforming taking over the core game, not how relatively hard or easy it is. When I play GW2 I want to play my character and his/her skills, not the skills of the month.

So you never use environmental weapons?

I have, and prefer my own actually. But, that would be a non-sequitur in the current discussion. My objection is to temporary mini-games that have somehow made their way into the core game, gating content for all players. This is where you learn a new game to play rather than the one you bought.

This is a ridiculous level of hyberbole. There is no “gate”. If you want to vote, you get the lightning attunement and simply place the aoes to get to the top. No gating, no jumping, no platforming and no learning any new mechanics (unless you never figured out how to place an AOE).

No hyperbole required. But, I see that some are unfamiliar with gaming genre. If you can watch the dev livestream and not understand that the new content is an extended platformer, you simply are unfamiliar with gaming. Platforming is extremely niche within the greater MMO content market. It makes no sense whatsoever to move the story forward through a niche element.

I’ve been playing games since Atari so, yeah, i’m very aware of what platforming is. Complaining about how this content is somehow gated by any sort of “platforming” is beyond absurd though, because you don’t need to make any controlled jumps to get to the voting. Someone with no fingers could easily place a few AOEs and make their way to the top without EVER HITTING THE SPACE BAR. Stop inventing something to be upset about.

Frankly, I don’t know how to better state it, so I will attempt it once more. If you can watch the dev livestream for the current content and not understand that it is an extended platformer, you are unfamiliar with gaming genre. That’s it, pure and simple. Living story content should not be defined by a niche element which some players will love and some will hate. This is an MMO with a diverse player base. You want the core game to appeal across that wide diversity and the living story to be told in the broadest possible way. This should be straightforward stuff for any experienced gamer.

I <3 SAB! Yaaaaaaaaaaay!

Raine.1394:

Frankly, I don’t know how to better state it, so I will attempt it once more. If you can watch the dev livestream for the current content and not understand that it is an extended platformer, you are unfamiliar with gaming genre. That’s it, pure and simple. Living story content should not be defined by a niche element which some players will love and some will hate. This is an MMO with a diverse player base. You want the core game to appeal across that wide diversity and the living story to be told in the broadest possible way. This should be straightforward stuff for any experienced gamer.

Sure there is platforming in the current update, but your original claim was that voting was “gated”, which is completely absurd. You don’t even have to hit the space bar to JUMP ONCE, to get to the voting! You don’t have to enter any instanced mini game or do anything that any player with enough skill to aim a simple AOE can’t accomplish.

You might as well claim that everything in Lion’s Arch is gated content because you have to figure out how to aim your character into walking toward an asura gate to get there. You’re essentially saying that something is gated from people who cannot perform the most rudimentary function of character control and pushing a key to activate an AOE, and if that is the case for some players, then they have bigger issues because the rest of the game is basically unplayable to them.

panzer.6034:

SAB always seemed like the most widely loved update they’be put out to date.

Also had the only decent Trailer in the past year that made any godkittened sense.
Compare its views to every single PvP feature highlight COMBINED and then lulz…

panzer.6034:

Raine.1394:

Frankly, I don’t know how to better state it, so I will attempt it once more. If you can watch the dev livestream for the current content and not understand that it is an extended platformer, you are unfamiliar with gaming genre. That’s it, pure and simple. Living story content should not be defined by a niche element which some players will love and some will hate. This is an MMO with a diverse player base. You want the core game to appeal across that wide diversity and the living story to be told in the broadest possible way. This should be straightforward stuff for any experienced gamer.

Sure there is platforming in the current update, but your original claim was that voting was “gated”, which is completely absurd. You don’t even have to hit the space bar to JUMP ONCE, to get to the voting! You don’t have to enter any instanced mini game or do anything that any player with enough skill to aim a simple AOE can’t accomplish.

You might as well claim that everything in Lion’s Arch is gated content because you have to figure out how to aim your character into walking toward an asura gate to get there. You’re essentially saying that something is gated from people who cannot perform the most rudimentary function of character control and pushing a key to activate an AOE, and if that is the case for some players, then they have bigger issues because the rest of the game is basically unplayable to them.

Now, we are getting somewhere, excellent! So, there is platforming in the current update. Very good at recognizing your gaming genre. Here’s the problem. I don’t like platforming, so I chose to avoid the current content—as I have the jumping puzzles. My argument has nothing to do with how easy or hard the platformer is; I simply don’t enjoy platformers. That’s the gating that I’m speaking about. It’s gated content for me if it is, well, gated behind a platformer. I dutifully watched the dev livestream, saw that it was an extended platformer, and chose to skip the content.

SAB CAN I HAS NOW PLOX?

panzer.6034:

Raine.1394:

Frankly, I don’t know how to better state it, so I will attempt it once more. If you can watch the dev livestream for the current content and not understand that it is an extended platformer, you are unfamiliar with gaming genre. That’s it, pure and simple. Living story content should not be defined by a niche element which some players will love and some will hate. This is an MMO with a diverse player base. You want the core game to appeal across that wide diversity and the living story to be told in the broadest possible way. This should be straightforward stuff for any experienced gamer.

Sure there is platforming in the current update, but your original claim was that voting was “gated”, which is completely absurd. You don’t even have to hit the space bar to JUMP ONCE, to get to the voting! You don’t have to enter any instanced mini game or do anything that any player with enough skill to aim a simple AOE can’t accomplish.

You might as well claim that everything in Lion’s Arch is gated content because you have to figure out how to aim your character into walking toward an asura gate to get there. You’re essentially saying that something is gated from people who cannot perform the most rudimentary function of character control and pushing a key to activate an AOE, and if that is the case for some players, then they have bigger issues because the rest of the game is basically unplayable to them.

That’s not entirely true. The new movement skills (all of them based on the SAB jumping mushrooms) cause massive lag issues for some players, while the rest of the game is super duper playable for them. For reference, look at any threads (and youtube videos…) posted by players at the beginning of the Bazaar update dealing with lag: just some eight pages in google

However, all the voting, mini-game access, story instances, etc. etc. can easily be reached from the upper waypoint which you only have to reach ONCE – be it using the lightning pull skill, a mesmer portal between the two waypoints, or a one-time VPN connection.

So, no, I don’t see this content as platforming-gated at all, however I do think that ANet messed up big time with the implementation of the new extended jumping mechanics and that created some pretty big problems for a lot of players (including 99% of the Oceanic community).

I love the SAB with all my heart, but the jumping mushrooms skill lag can go burn in a fire.

“I dont like something…no one must have it.” Forum logic. Not everything is made for you. I dont get upset when PvP gets an update, even though I dont like it. Why? Cause sometimes things I do like get updates, and PvP people shouldnt be complaining, why should I?

This for the people who aren’t able to talk. I’m sharing my opinion and the one’s around me, i’m free to say it, but you’re not free to be rude to it.
So you play a MMO to play 8-bit version, doesn’t make sense. We have said we didn’t like (not against it) and if i say there is community who doesn’t like SAB is because we have bases to say it. Ironically 80% are haters to this post and 20% know how to discuss. The one’s that calls us haters.
I would rather see Canthan Expansion coming to GW2! Then SAB part 2 coming!
This is our point.
GW1 had an essence that you could feel from the beggining, that good feeling of adventure, it was pretty much original.
I like GW2 but it evolved from a thrilling game to a game where you wear quaggans plushes? play 8-bit versions?
I had fun playing SAB first-time, but has completly nothing to do with Guild Wars.

Raine.1394:

panzer.6034:

Raine.1394:

Frankly, I don’t know how to better state it, so I will attempt it once more. If you can watch the dev livestream for the current content and not understand that it is an extended platformer, you are unfamiliar with gaming genre. That’s it, pure and simple. Living story content should not be defined by a niche element which some players will love and some will hate. This is an MMO with a diverse player base. You want the core game to appeal across that wide diversity and the living story to be told in the broadest possible way. This should be straightforward stuff for any experienced gamer.

Sure there is platforming in the current update, but your original claim was that voting was “gated”, which is completely absurd. You don’t even have to hit the space bar to JUMP ONCE, to get to the voting! You don’t have to enter any instanced mini game or do anything that any player with enough skill to aim a simple AOE can’t accomplish.

You might as well claim that everything in Lion’s Arch is gated content because you have to figure out how to aim your character into walking toward an asura gate to get there. You’re essentially saying that something is gated from people who cannot perform the most rudimentary function of character control and pushing a key to activate an AOE, and if that is the case for some players, then they have bigger issues because the rest of the game is basically unplayable to them.

Now, we are getting somewhere, excellent! So, there is platforming in the current update. Very good at recognizing your gaming genre. Here’s the problem. I don’t like platforming, so I chose to avoid the current content—as I have the jumping puzzles. My argument has nothing to do with how easy or hard the platformer is; I simply don’t enjoy platformers. That’s the gating that I’m speaking about. It’s gated content for me if it is, well, gated behind a platformer. I dutifully watched the dev livestream, saw that it was an extended platformer, and chose to skip the content.

That happens. With a game this diverse, there will be content patches that simply don’t appeal to some people. Take FotM- it didn’t appeal to me in any way, shape or form, so I chose to skip it. Doesn’t make it worthless to the population as a whole, but it did to me and thus I overlooked that patch and content. On the other hand, I love the platforming aspects of the game, so patches that make use of it will get my full attention.

Its’ pretty much working as intended, I’d say.

Mel ryuzaki.1402:

Ironically 80% are haters to this post and 20% know how to discuss. The one’s that calls us haters.

And 95% of all statistics are made up.

Mel ryuzaki.1402:

I had fun playing SAB first-time, but has completly nothing to do with Guild Wars.

It has everything to do with GW2, unless you think the Asura have nothing to do with the game either…

-Signed, one of the many, MANY people on this forum who loved SAB and are looking forward to the next iteration

I missed the SAB because it was ending close to the time I started playing GW2 so I didn’t know about it. After I heard about it later I started reading up on it in the wiki and thought I’d probably be terrible at and it isn’t for me. After reading this thread, now I hope it comes back soon.