Guild Wars 2

Hey. Merry Wintersmisery!

You want to play snowball mayhem and have some fun? Nope. If you will decide to participate you will be supplemented to the team, which is losing (10 times i was forwarded to the map with score ~400-50 and i was in loosing team). Because you shouldn’t play from the start – this is for weaklings.

Hey, you want to jump and get gifts? Good idea! BUT NOPE. ALL WANT TO FARM DRINKS AND SELL THEM OR DRINK. So there will be “the realm is full”. Have fun!

Oh, toypocalypse! You want to build your base with friends and defend dolyaks! Because this festival is about friendship, generosity, family…NOPE! Random people, which will leave, because event strarted BEFORE there were 5 men, therefore 1 dolyak died. MERRY WINTERSMISERY!

Bells…Yeah. Love them. One of the two things that isn’t f***ed up in this festival (another is Infinarium). Can play them all day long…Why?

Oh..why do i want to play different activities? And, maybe, with friends? I love to play with them and i want shoulders. And for this shoulders i need to consume…10000 drinks. Oh, not that big number, yeah? Like, 31 day -> 10000 drinks -> 323 a day -> ~350 presents a day -> in bells 18 present in 7 minutes -> 2,5 hours of bells. JESUS F***ING CHRIST. Me head aches, my stomach rumbles… You want some happy festival? Nope. Here, in GW2, we only have some MISERY for you.

Happy Feats of Winter Ve…MISERY!

Well, yeah. It’s slightly better outside of regular playing hours if you get the chance. But yeah, peak time you might as well sit in map chat typing out Star Wars spoilers.

I’m loving this Wintersday, probably because I’m only doing the things I like and everything thing else can go hang. Shoulders! Buh-humbug I would be bored with them in a week. Achievement points? Last year taught me well played and played doing stuff I couldn’t care less about if I tried only to find out I had to do Bell Choir, which I just don’t get it, so again Buh-humbug. This year I’m giving myself a present a Festival where I pick and chose what I’m doing and doing just because it’s fun.

Roundabout.1752:

I’m loving this Wintersday, probably because I’m only doing the things I like and everything thing else can go hang.

Glad for you And i want shoulders, because i love to look and cute animations on my character. I really love them and i really want them. I don’t grind that much – i can say that in this mmo i’m casual. Still, that shoulders are soooo adorable, that i can’t resist. I think, my charr would be glad to have this item Still, 10k…And i have 9k to go…

Merry Wintersday to you, traveller!

Mortheim.9321:

Roundabout.1752:

I’m loving this Wintersday, probably because I’m only doing the things I like and everything thing else can go hang.

Glad for you And i want shoulders, because i love to look and cute animations on my character. I really love them and i really want them. I don’t grind that much – i can say that in this mmo i’m casual. Still, that shoulders are soooo adorable, that i can’t resist. I think, my charr would be glad to have this item Still, 10k…And i have 9k to go…

Merry Wintersday to you, traveller!

The Winters Presence shoulders are roughly the same costs as other premium skins have in the past:

• Queen Bee, the Silverwastes only drop ran roughly 900g to 1600g (pre-HoT)
• Poly-luminescent refractors, from Halloween ToT, ran roughly 700-1000g (black) or 300-800g (green, orange) until Halloween 2015 (when the drop rate apparently increased).

Winter’s Presence is crafted/forged and account bound and the others are random drops. However, it’s still a premium skin and I think it’s odd that people think that it shouldn’t have a premium cost to go with it.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

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Winter’s Presence is crafted/forged and account bound and the others are random drops. However, it’s still a premium skin and I think it’s odd that people think that it shouldn’t have a premium cost to go with it.

“Premium skins” should not be something only available for a limited time during a festival.

A festival should give some free stuff for all to enjoy. Like how a party bag has a funny hat to wear.

Those who want ‘prestige’ have all day long to do raids and other stuff.

If everything ends up becoming boring grinds to get a few things that will be replaced by the next thing that is another boring grind, people will end up fed up of that nonsense.

You need a balance between content that engages players to keep playing, and content that shackles players and forces them to play way more hours that anyone should if they ever want to get some shinies.

It didn’t say “May contain Premium Skins” on the box when I bought it.

I guess my beef with the “premium” Holiday skins is, that I don’t think there should be premium items during the holidays. The game is filled with hard to get items already. I’m not seeing the need to add holiday items to the list.

When people are playing during a holiday, most don’t want to grind long hours, spend tons of their gold trying to reach a goal or to make the choice between grinding in game or spending time with family. They want to log on and have a few lighthearted hours and get loot. The game dangling a wanted item out of easy reach isn’t what most people want at this time of year. After all, it’s what’s most people lives are like.

If they are going to make things hard to get then that’s fine. But not during the holidays. Make it out of holidays and part of doing regular game content. For holidays, make them part of the holiday like the yearly hats were in Guild Wars 1.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

I guess my beef with the “premium” Holiday skins is, that I don’t think there should be premium items during the holidays. The game is filled with hard to get items already. I’m not seeing the need to add holiday items to the list.

When people are playing during a holiday, most don’t want to grind long hours, spend tons of their gold trying to reach a goal or to make the choice between grinding in game or spending time with family. They want to log on and have a few lighthearted hours and get loot. The game dangling a wanted item out of easy reach isn’t what most people want at this time of year. After all, it’s what’s most people lives are like.

If they are going to make things hard to get then that’s fine. But not during the holidays. Make it out of holidays and part of doing regular game content. For holidays, make them part of the holiday like the yearly hats were in Guild Wars 1.

This.

I support the idea of premium or prestige skins in general, but holiday events should be more laid back in my opinion.

That Anet is purposefully attempting to encourage players to spend less time with their families during this already stressful time of the year is a bit weird to me.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Winter’s Presence is crafted/forged and account bound and the others are random drops. However, it’s still a premium skin and I think it’s odd that people think that it shouldn’t have a premium cost to go with it.

Yap, i understand. Still, if this was really hard or interesting thing i would understand (crafting legendary with collection is interesting, yet hard, and rewarding). But, well, 10000 drinks is…mmm…like Lineage 2 grindfest. It is really like “wtf, i should do same things for 3 hours a day just because it is premium skin?”. My charr is chef and i wouldn’t mind if i could craft those drinks during a year, but i won’t have such a luxury. I should grind boxes. And after that, i should open 100 boxes and consume this drinks. Oh, so merry festival.

They are trying to be all things to all people and failing on a lot of fronts for sure. Making the holiday shoulders easy to acquire flies in the face of their design. Them making something that you can earn easily makes you not pay attention to the items on the cash shop. They put this stuff in the game to earn and it makes the cash shop stuff look more attractive. You say to yourself, “Gee, I really want those shoulders for the snow effect but that will take dozens if not hundreds of hours for me. That costume on the gem shop on the other hand is just a credit card purchase away.”

Conversely, I don’t think they would be able to support having enough content for most people’s tastes if it was a sub only game. The content in HoT is really good, but there ain’t much of it that is lasting. They are in a bad spot right now. I am really looking forward to what they try and do to right the ship in the coming year or if they don’t have to because they have enough people that buy frequently enough on their cash shop that they can ignore the people that have stuck by this franchise for years.

now i know why iam not even paying attention at all to winters day even at all .

echo.2053:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

I guess my beef with the “premium” Holiday skins is, that I don’t think there should be premium items during the holidays. The game is filled with hard to get items already. I’m not seeing the need to add holiday items to the list.

When people are playing during a holiday, most don’t want to grind long hours, spend tons of their gold trying to reach a goal or to make the choice between grinding in game or spending time with family. They want to log on and have a few lighthearted hours and get loot. The game dangling a wanted item out of easy reach isn’t what most people want at this time of year. After all, it’s what’s most people lives are like.

If they are going to make things hard to get then that’s fine. But not during the holidays. Make it out of holidays and part of doing regular game content. For holidays, make them part of the holiday like the yearly hats were in Guild Wars 1.

Then you realize that gw2 casuals are the laziest animals around. Before precursors were too expensive/high risk gamble now its too much of a grind, they didnt like living story because they blew past the content too fast now they complain about the grind taking too long. Now its they are “locked” out of a skin because they don’t have the time for it and by golly they will spend 5+ hours on the gw2 forums defending that statement. They want the skin but at the same time they say it’s not worth the gold.

PS. Han solo dies

I don’t like the reward philosophy. I don’t think it’s appropriate for a holiday reward, as detailed in my post above. Make premium non holiday rewards a grind. Lock them behind hard, exclusive content. That’s fine with me. Maybe I’ll get them maybe I won’t. But I disagree with the philosophy of putting holiday rewards behind gold, supply, activity walls to exclude most of the people who log on to do fun light hearted holiday content and then find themselves grinding for hours, days, weeks, months, to reach it and emptying their wallets into the pockets of those who don’t try. I disagree with the philosophy that hard core grind to get a cosmetic is something that should be part of the holidays.

logan the reincarnation of useless prince rurik – both dead killed necks broke no egrets if you heron what im saying.

really what is hard? having a boss with a obnoxious amount of hit points or giving it one shot ability ( both weve had)? Should it be a map that requires complete map participation like triple threat pre-hot launch where if you weren’t in the organized map gg.

hard is suppose to drive you to the brink of giving up, as well as if this is your first mmo- mmos are all about grinds.

Use the gold you’ve been grinding prior to wintersday release to buy the needed alcohol, if your excuse is “I am not going to go to that extent for a skin” then why bother worrying about it?

Iason Evan.3806:

They are trying to be all things to all people and failing on a lot of fronts for sure. Making the holiday shoulders easy to acquire flies in the face of their design. Them making something that you can earn easily makes you not pay attention to the items on the cash shop. They put this stuff in the game to earn and it makes the cash shop stuff look more attractive. You say to yourself, “Gee, I really want those shoulders for the snow effect but that will take dozens if not hundreds of hours for me. That costume on the gem shop on the other hand is just a credit card purchase away.”

I don’t pay attention to the items in gem store, because most of them look bad on charrs Also, musical instruments and tools were cool. But after “10000 drinks in the air” i don’t want to buy anything. Also, i would buy that shoulders from gem store, buuut…It isn’t in the gem store.

It’s absolutely terrible.

echo.2053:

logan the reincarnation of useless prince rurik – both dead killed necks broke no egrets if you heron what im saying.

really what is hard? having a boss with a obnoxious amount of hit points or giving it one shot ability ( both weve had)? Should it be a map that requires complete map participation like triple threat pre-hot launch where if you weren’t in the organized map gg.

hard is suppose to drive you to the brink of giving up, as well as if this is your first mmo- mmos are all about grinds.

Use the gold you’ve been grinding prior to wintersday release to buy the needed alcohol, if your excuse is “I am not going to go to that extent for a skin” then why bother worrying about it?

Well, at least he has some guts. Sometimes.

Giving him mechanics, that would be interesting to interact with? Paths or items to interact?

Yeah…Ofc. If you love to grind – it is. There some other…things to do in mmorpgs. Like, roleplay, exploration, challenges, activities… Sometimes even story (not in GW2 case, thou).

So, i had to grind before grinding even that i didn’t knew, that i will have to grind? So, basically, you said, that i should grind instead of grinding. Is something wrong with you?

just a FYI the shoulder skin is permanent. you do not need the 10k drinks by the end of wintersday. as long as you have everything else done, the 10k drink achievement is not going away. Of course the only tangible way to get the drinks outside of wintersday is the TP, it will still be there all year and continue next year as well.

Doctor.5068:

just a FYI the shoulder skin is permanent. you do not need the 10k drinks by the end of wintersday. as long as you have everything else done, the 10k drink achievement is not going away. Of course the only tangible way to get the drinks outside of wintersday is the TP, it will still be there all year and continue next year as well.

I know, that achievement won’t go away. Still, two years to get skin for shoulders…Strange idea, don’t you think so?

You can EASILY make 100g a day casually and by casually i mean afking most of the day because why not – I mean farming cuz I don’t play the market either. Efficiency is for chumps. You are more than welcome to disagree but i’ve made twilight from scratch in less than a month while throwing 100g into my portable toilet box each day until the pre was pulled( no brag).

Yup I like putting forth effort to obtain what others can’t or unwilling to achieve – makes the juice all the bit sweeter. majority of rewards now are already “log in to unlock” – and still they claim nothing is geared towards them >_>. Why bother playing if were to be unlocked by entering in your acct password.

One thing I do like with what you said – Other things to do in mmorpgs – challenges – im dead laughing fit especially with the topic at hand

echo.2053:

You can EASILY make 100g a day casually and by casually i mean afking most of the day because why not – I mean farming cuz I don’t play the market either. Efficiency is for chumps. You are more than welcome to disagree but i’ve made twilight from scratch in less than a month while throwing 100g into my portable toilet box each day until the pre was pulled( no brag).

Yup I like putting forth effort to obtain what others can’t or unwilling to achieve – makes the juice all the bit sweeter. majority of rewards now are already “log in to unlock” – and still they claim nothing is geared towards them >_>. Why bother playing if were to be unlocked by entering in your acct password.

One thing I do like with what you said – Other things to do in mmorpgs – challenges – im dead laughing fit especially with the topic at hand

Ofc, ofc. Afking. We know, you can get money that way No problem. It is your world, so we will believe you. No need to prove your claims – nobody cares.

Wut. I’m saying – grinding is bad and not interesting, so anet could create something good. And you’re talking about unwillingness. Spending everyday to grind something instead of doing something interesting…Yeah, now it is unwillingness. And, well, even in Eve local grinding is faaaar more interesting, even if it is faaaar more repetative.

Yap. I understant, that there is no challenges for you in any game

hooray finally after a few hours the circle finally closes

nobody cares

whether or not you get this skin or not – regardless how long you threaten to hold your breath worst case you’ll just pass out at which point you will start to breath again.

If you winter"mizery" is so unbearable ( like a polar bear" – preemptive " can I haz ur stuffz?"

echo.2053:

Before precursors were too expensive/high risk gamble now its too much of a grind,

They were too expensive and are too much of a grind (and still almost as expensive, because Anet values their precious pixel economy more than the happiness of the actual players).

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

The Winters Presence shoulders are roughly the same costs as other premium skins have in the past:

• Queen Bee, the Silverwastes only drop ran roughly 900g to 1600g (pre-HoT)
• Poly-luminescent refractors, from Halloween ToT, ran roughly 700-1000g (black) or 300-800g (green, orange) until Halloween 2015 (when the drop rate apparently increased).

Winter’s Presence is crafted/forged and account bound and the others are random drops. However, it’s still a premium skin and I think it’s odd that people think that it shouldn’t have a premium cost to go with it.

tl;dr how dare those filthy poors think special festival items should be reasonably attainable.

Hyper Cutter.9376:

echo.2053:

Before precursors were too expensive/high risk gamble now its too much of a grind,

They were too expensive and are too much of a grind (and still almost as expensive, because Anet values their precious pixel economy more than the happiness of the actual players).

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

The Winters Presence shoulders are roughly the same costs as other premium skins have in the past:

• Queen Bee, the Silverwastes only drop ran roughly 900g to 1600g (pre-HoT)
• Poly-luminescent refractors, from Halloween ToT, ran roughly 700-1000g (black) or 300-800g (green, orange) until Halloween 2015 (when the drop rate apparently increased).

Winter’s Presence is crafted/forged and account bound and the others are random drops. However, it’s still a premium skin and I think it’s odd that people think that it shouldn’t have a premium cost to go with it.

tl;dr how dare those filthy poors think special festival items should be reasonably attainable.

Shweet deal so you are going to sell me any future precursor or high value item to me for 1 copper. im pretty pumped about that especially since its favoring player happiness over the pixel economy.

Day 5 of 4 week festival players still says challenge too hard – stated that challenge will remain open all year long…..still too hard

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Updates-about-Wintersday/first

im enjoying it period peopel and their addiction to pixalated items and points is getting old now go have fun quit worrying about the freakin points and items good god already.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

The Winters Presence shoulders are roughly the same costs as other premium skins have in the past:

• Queen Bee, the Silverwastes only drop ran roughly 900g to 1600g (pre-HoT)
• Poly-luminescent refractors, from Halloween ToT, ran roughly 700-1000g (black) or 300-800g (green, orange) until Halloween 2015 (when the drop rate apparently increased).

Winter’s Presence is crafted/forged and account bound and the others are random drops. However, it’s still a premium skin and I think it’s odd that people think that it shouldn’t have a premium cost to go with it.

Premium maybe, but as it stands people who get it in the next few months either bought it with gold or gems, or no-lifed through the holidays.

That’s kinda like buying a legendary weapon off the Trading Post.

MithranArkanere.8957:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

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Winter’s Presence is crafted/forged and account bound and the others are random drops. However, it’s still a premium skin and I think it’s odd that people think that it shouldn’t have a premium cost to go with it.

“Premium skins” should not be something only available for a limited time during a festival.

A festival should give some free stuff for all to enjoy. Like how a party bag has a funny hat to wear.

Those who want ‘prestige’ have all day long to do raids and other stuff.

If everything ends up becoming boring grinds to get a few things that will be replaced by the next thing that is another boring grind, people will end up fed up of that nonsense.

You need a balance between content that engages players to keep playing, and content that shackles players and forces them to play way more hours that anyone should if they ever want to get some shinies.

The thing is, there are lots of things for Wintersday; we just keep dismissing them as not significant. The wintersday skins are now only two tickets each, the toy skins drop frequently, the mini HoHotron is inexpensive, as are some of the other minis. And yeah, there’s one premium skin.

So no one has to grind to get shinies; we just don’t seem to want the shinies that don’t require griding, perhaps they aren’t shiny if we can can get them with ease.

“Oh boy, new content that I might be able to access a year from now!” Said nobody when they logged in and saw the 10k drink requirement.

If you’re going to present people with a set of achievements centered around a time-limited event, odds are they’re going to be upset when some part of those achievements requires either an obscene amount of time or in-game currency to complete during the event.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

So no one has to grind to get shinies; we just don’t seem to want the shinies that don’t require griding, perhaps they aren’t shiny if we can can get them with ease.

It doesn’t need to be easy to get. It shouldn’t be soul -rendingly tedious to get.

That’s the main reason why I stay away from any time sensitive MMORPG holiday events. IMHO it’s an expensive time sink.

Would be nice to have a nice fun little event and end up with a cool ( no pun intened) shoulder piece as a parting gift.

The drinking element makes this impossible, and not very festive at all with the grind.

glentc.2159:

That’s the main reason why I stay away from any time sensitive MMORPG holiday events. IMHO it’s an expensive time sink.

then try Wildstar to Star Trek Online both have wonderful fun holiday events. Wildstart just gives away fun stuff and you can not beat Star Trek Online for the Crazy fun summer event with bikini swim suit skins and jet powered water races…. STO’s winter event is fun too with stopping the evading snowman with great winter jackets and top rated ships which are easy to get.

Wintersday=Halloween=More gold for me

You know how it goes!

Well, Wintersday is the season of Grenth, the Prince of Ice and Sorrow.

I really think you are missing the point of these Holidays, which is spending on others.

It is the THRILL of sending money in the cash shop that we are supposed to be enjoying.

Do content for reward? Get serious. How can you not see that? It’s perfectly clear to many of us. The rewards are for spending/converting, not for content. Cant even get into some of the content.
People are not even saying premium rewards should come from premium content.
They say “It should come at a premium cost”.

We need more stuff like the Orphan event. Possible to do in a reasonable period of time and results in a permanent positive impact to your account’s cash flow.