Guild Wars 2

So with no more free transfers, and WvWvW a requirement to get World Completion (which still doesn’t make any sense), is it possible for worlds that are no good at WvWvW to accomplish World Completion?

To me personally, it seems this is an impossible feat now. You now have to rely on your world to dominate in WvWvW in order for you to get World Completion. If you are not top rank and dominating, you will never be able to access all the Points of Interests. I currently only have one part of Eternal Battlegrounds completed because it is the one spot we always start in. Even after the reset today, we are still in the same exact location. In order for me to get the other areas, we have to dominate the whole map (which is highly unlikely as from my observation, we are awful at this) or I am going to have to pay to transfer to a world that is dominating WvWvW.

So is this it? Am I stuck forever without being able to get World Completion because I am required to do WvWvW and we will never dominate for me to be able to get those areas discovered? Or is the plan all along for me to have to fork over more money so I can transfer to a winning world and then pay again to transfer back?

It’s not impossible but it will take time to get it done. It’s in no way impossible. With free transfers being done the servers will eventually go into the tier that they should be in.

Chorel.1720:

It’s not impossible but it will take time to get it done. It’s in no way impossible. With free transfers being done the servers will eventually go into the tier that they should be in.

That still doesn’t solve the issue though of having to be the dominate world in your tier in order to get Map Completion. If you are not dominating, then you will never be able to clear the map. So when the worlds do eventually drop into the proper tiers, you could still be on the low end and never dominate the map, thus never able to get Map Completion.

It is “possible”. It just take a “very long time” to wait till your server move up and down the tier.

It might take month and month but most likely it should be possible.

It’s actually not hard at all… Just finished mine. Just WvW on the map you need stuff on. The Zerg will eventually get you everywhere you need to go.

It’s really bad for players who can only log in during off-peak hours and are on a server that gets dominated during that time. It needs the developers attention eventually.

My advice is to check the WvW maps often and immediately map areas once open (I’m doing this on all my chars and only have left a few POIs on the Green map).

Yes it’s a pain now (don’t believe folks who say it’s not) but currently this is pretty much your only option unless you want to pay/transfer to a green server…

Trust me, it’s just as hard to get world completion on a server that is at the top of their tier. Being always green means that chances are you’ll always be missing something in red or blue territory for a long time, which is the issue that several of my friends are running into.

Frankly, WvW should not be part of map completion, I think, but I digress…

SpyderArachnid.5619:

So with no more free transfers, and WvWvW a requirement to get World Completion (which still doesn’t make any sense), is it possible for worlds that are no good at WvWvW to accomplish World Completion?

To me personally, it seems this is an impossible feat now. You now have to rely on your world to dominate in WvWvW in order for you to get World Completion. If you are not top rank and dominating, you will never be able to access all the Points of Interests. I currently only have one part of Eternal Battlegrounds completed because it is the one spot we always start in. Even after the reset today, we are still in the same exact location. In order for me to get the other areas, we have to dominate the whole map (which is highly unlikely as from my observation, we are awful at this) or I am going to have to pay to transfer to a world that is dominating WvWvW.

So is this it? Am I stuck forever without being able to get World Completion because I am required to do WvWvW and we will never dominate for me to be able to get those areas discovered? Or is the plan all along for me to have to fork over more money so I can transfer to a winning world and then pay again to transfer back?

Eventually your server will have control of each territory (Green, Blue, Red), just jump in WvW and get the areas you hold while you can if you don’t participate in WvW much.

It may be somewhat of a hassle, but by no means impossible.

here’s a little tip that I’ve found to be helpful in getting world completion: you don’t have to hold the point to get the credit. if you follow around an enemy zerg (thieves are best for this) you can run in as they’re capping to get POI’s and even vista’s

kitanas.3596:

here’s a little tip that I’ve found to be helpful in getting world completion: you don’t have to hold the point to get the credit. if you follow around an enemy zerg (thieves are best for this) you can run in as they’re capping to get POI’s and even vista’s

Did that once on my thief. I needed a couple vistas and pois from a keep so I followed the zerg once they broke down the wall and quickly got the things I needed. Wall was repaired with me inside it though.

I seems simple enough to just rotate the map every week regardless of what place your world gets. I don’t see why Anet can’t just do that and solve the problem. Its not like there is any strategic advantage to being either red/green/blue.

It’s not bad. I’m on a server that always green and has been since I started watching WvW. You can ninja most things that are not in holds and if you check regularly, control of most holds rotate quite regularly. It’s even worthwhile to suicide to get a POI in an enemy zone if needed. I found the enemy point in the Eternal Battleground much more difficult than on the enemy maps.

Best remedy for this is to wait for resets. Your home BL will change as well as your area in EB.

Unless you need map completion immediately for a legendary dont sweat it. I know the star is nice but its not worth getting upset over.

Hopefully Anet can change some things to guarantee map movement every reset.

Why not just tell the enemy you need the PoI and they’ll simply let you walk up and get it?

WvW needs “red cross” or a “neutral” emblem on people who are just mapping. While you are in red cross mode, if you are attacked the side attacking gains a penalty. However, either side that helps a red cross person get to their destination gets a bonus.

Here’s a thought . . . try adding an opposing server person to your party and asking if you can just get help doing mapping. Tell them they can even escort you around with superior firepower to be sure you’re not about to try flipping stuff for your side.

I had someone from the other server actually ask me for help doing one of the three battle-based Skill Points a while back. And every now and then I watch a couple people who are friends across servers “dueling”.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Here’s a thought . . . try adding an opposing server person to your party and asking if you can just get help doing mapping. Tell them they can even escort you around with superior firepower to be sure you’re not about to try flipping stuff for your side.

I had someone from the other server actually ask me for help doing one of the three battle-based Skill Points a while back. And every now and then I watch a couple people who are friends across servers “dueling”.

How do you actually talk to someone on the other side? They all have a generic name, so a whisper won’t work. I was wanting to message someone in the Obsidian JP a while back and couldn’t figure out how. It was someone trolling and I was going to message him to get out of my way or I’d kill him. Ultimately I opted to just run past him as it was late and decided I didn’t care enough to kill him.

eventually, you will capture all places at least once, especially if you go with you guild on raids, take 1 new place in green Borderlands a week, and youll get it soon enough. only real problem is how badly ppl want SM

Leamas.5803:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Here’s a thought . . . try adding an opposing server person to your party and asking if you can just get help doing mapping. Tell them they can even escort you around with superior firepower to be sure you’re not about to try flipping stuff for your side.

I had someone from the other server actually ask me for help doing one of the three battle-based Skill Points a while back. And every now and then I watch a couple people who are friends across servers “dueling”.

How do you actually talk to someone on the other side? They all have a generic name, so a whisper won’t work. I was wanting to message someone in the Obsidian JP a while back and couldn’t figure out how. It was someone trolling and I was going to message him to get out of my way or I’d kill him. Ultimately I opted to just run past him as it was late and decided I didn’t care enough to kill him.

I don’t know how personally, but I think it was through right click → block → copy the name into invite or mail. I could be wrong but that’d be the first thing I try.

Here is a pretty funny story on the subject.
When I told my gf about the WvW requirement of map completion I expected she would be demoralized like you guys but she actually just said “ok we gather up some people and go blast off those players and I get all the points”.
And so we did lol.
She even asked why I asked her that in such a worried manner, but I did a ninja subject change because I didn’t want to admit some people here are scared of stepping into pvp.

HannaDeFreitas.4236:

Here is a pretty funny story on the subject.
When I told my gf about the WvW requirement of map completion I expected she would be demoralized like you guys but she actually just said “ok we gather up some people and go blast off those players and I get all the points”.
And so we did lol.
She even asked why I asked her that in such a worried manner, but I did a ninja subject change because I didn’t want to admit some people here are scared of stepping into pvp.

You really should have had a talk with her about it. By the way . . . she can read the forums too you know. (Busted?)

And my guild is pretty much saying the same thing, and a few of us actively monitor when we’re doing well enough on Stormbluff to snatch up things. “Hey, fearless leader, we just took Stonemist, didn’t you need it?” “Yes! Thanks for telling me.”

I fear that for some servers it will really be impossible. I’m talking about the servers that sit on the bottom of the ranking (especially Europe, NA seems more balanced there). The last two servers haven’t changed for weeks (and haven’t been the “green” server since they dropped to the last tier) and are managing an average income that’s barely over 50. I assume for players on these servers it will be really hard to accomplish this feat. But probably this will improve when Arborstone has completed its descent to the last tier.

I’m playing on Kodash (Rank 5) and I’ve been trying to get my world completion for two months now.
Unfortunately Elona Reach is on Rank 4 and since they are always better than us it is very unlikely for Kodash to reach rank 4 in the next few months.
Is there a way to get world completion without a paid world transfer?

Cheers

PVP in games always seems to be based on you will like PVP eventurally. Kind of like someone hitting you with a baseball bat, saying they are having a great time. They then look at you funny when you say it is not fun. Then they say they will keep hitting with the bat until you say it is fun, and get ticked off when you refuse.

I wvw alot and find it hard in tier 1 ,so I just started a thread in the wvw section as I don’t come in here much to a possible solution , the devs might move it to here , but if they don’t please go have a look and add some input there and maybe our beloved dev in wvw might come and save they day for us all

cheers Phabby

I dont know why is WvW map part of 100% map completion in the frist place I absolutely hate WvW i have no joy whatsoever when i run with 50 players and spam autoattack and cluster into another 50 players thats not fun!

I did my map completion a while ago, and didn’t switch servers.

The best advice I can give you is to be patient. And be sure to check wvw maps after weekly server reset. Your server will (eventually) be red, blue or green.

For me, it might as well be impossible. But that has nothing to do with server transfers. As long as there are people who know Obsidian Sanctum inside and out camping PvEers like myself (who have no clue what’s going on) it’s going to be impossible for me to get 100% map completion.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Can-we-PLEASE-rotate-the-colours-more/1774463

Not 100% confirmed but they will try to make the colors separate from the ranks so you’ll be able to get the other colors. Still won’t help if the only thing you have left is in Stonemist.

In high tier servers it’s pretty much impossible as at least the EB keeps never get flipped. Those servers always have at least enough residual presence, even in off peak times, to try and hold their “starting area” in EB.

However they’re looking at randomizing colors rather than having them linked to ranks, and that should make map completion way easier.

I can definitely see this being a problem for people whose server may be firmly entrenched in the bottom rung of the lowest tier.

It is sometimes frustrating to see after several weeks that your server hasn’t changed color.

Myself, I got completion without transferring servers, and I truly believe that you can too. One thing you should do is to develop an enjoyment of WvW. Find out when and where your server is usually active, get on and participate.

It’s like voting. There are some people who don’t vote because they think their vote doesn’t matter. The thing is that it does matter, but it’s a very small thing relatively speaking. But the more people that get in and do it, the better off your server will be. If everyone takes that first step to just get in and try, you’d be surprised at the results.

darkace.8925:

For me, it might as well be impossible. But that has nothing to do with server transfers. As long as there are people who know Obsidian Sanctum inside and out camping PvEers like myself (who have no clue what’s going on) it’s going to be impossible for me to get 100% map completion.

What about a guild? My guild does regulars WvW events and we help people get their completion. It may take some times, but it’s definitely doable.

Don’t try to do it alone, that’s all.

DigitalKirin.9714:

It’s like voting. There are some people who don’t vote because they think their vote doesn’t matter. The thing is that it does matter, but it’s a very small thing relatively speaking. But the more people that get in and do it, the better off your server will be. If everyone takes that first step to just get in and try, you’d be surprised at the results.

I dont think its like voting when i dont go vote its because i dont care, when i dont go WvW its beacuse its boring as hell…

People, please. Stop saying be patient, pray the gods of wubwub to change your color. When something depends more of your server than your own efforts it’s broken.
Juste like when the monthly had the invaders kill.
Exploration en PvE can be done in let’s say several weeks if you play moderately. But WvW exploration must take months ? Come on guys, that’s not serious.

BadHabitZz.1856:

I dont think its like voting when i dont go vote its because i dont care, when i dont go WvW its beacuse its boring as hell…

The reasons you choose not to do it are your own. Regardless of those, the results are similar.

If you don’t vote, you still have to live with the laws enacted. You essentially forfeit any legitimate reason to complain about a law you didn’t vote on.

If you don’t participate in wvw and your server doesn’t take the objectives that you need for the POIs or Vistas, you don’t have a legitimate reason to complain until you start making an honest effort in WvW.

This is why they are similar.

DigitalKirin.9714:

BadHabitZz.1856:

I dont think its like voting when i dont go vote its because i dont care, when i dont go WvW its beacuse its boring as hell…

The reasons you choose not to do it are your own. Regardless of those, the results are similar.

If you don’t vote, you still have to live with the laws enacted. You essentially forfeit any legitimate reason to complain about a law you didn’t vote on.

If you don’t participate in wvw and your server doesn’t take the objectives that you need for the POIs or Vistas, you don’t have a legitimate reason to complain until you start making an honest effort in WvW.

This is why they are similar.

Would it be different if i participated and our server would still be last, what would be your argument? Let me guess “just be patient” /facepalm
Making legendary weapon is job for 1 player why should i need a whole server to get 100% map?

BadHabitZz.1856:

Would it be different if i participated and our server would still be last, what would be your argument? Let me guess “just be patient” /facepalm

There is one thing for sure. If you don’t try, you won’t make a change. If you want map completion, “letting it happen” isn’t in the cards for some people.

How about this? Work with your guild and potentially an alliance with a few other guilds into building a strike force. Get together when wvw populations are low for certain servers.

Even if you can’t dominate in rankings, you can still get POIs and Vistas for undefended areas.

Nalora.7964:

WvW needs “red cross” or a “neutral” emblem on people who are just mapping. While you are in red cross mode, if you are attacked the side attacking gains a penalty. However, either side that helps a red cross person get to their destination gets a bonus.

No. Just no.

If you don’t want to PVP (or in some cases PVDoor) to get your map completion. You do not deserve it.

It is map completion. Every one has to do PVE and a little bit of PVP to get it. It’s not some’ PVE achievement and I should deserve special treatment because I don’t like PVP.’ It is the complete package.

SpyderArachnid.5619:

So with no more free transfers, and WvWvW a requirement to get World Completion (which still doesn’t make any sense), is it possible for worlds that are no good at WvWvW to accomplish World Completion?

To me personally, it seems this is an impossible feat now. You now have to rely on your world to dominate in WvWvW in order for you to get World Completion. If you are not top rank and dominating, you will never be able to access all the Points of Interests. I currently only have one part of Eternal Battlegrounds completed because it is the one spot we always start in. Even after the reset today, we are still in the same exact location. In order for me to get the other areas, we have to dominate the whole map (which is highly unlikely as from my observation, we are awful at this) or I am going to have to pay to transfer to a world that is dominating WvWvW.

So is this it? Am I stuck forever without being able to get World Completion because I am required to do WvWvW and we will never dominate for me to be able to get those areas discovered? Or is the plan all along for me to have to fork over more money so I can transfer to a winning world and then pay again to transfer back?

If you win you can easily get the pois, if you lose, you get rotated to another colour, STILL can do your other pois. win win.

I’ve done wvw complete on 4 of my characters now and my server is getting their kitten handed to them.

DigitalKirin.9714:

BadHabitZz.1856:

Would it be different if i participated and our server would still be last, what would be your argument? Let me guess “just be patient” /facepalm

There is one thing for sure. If you don’t try, you won’t make a change. If you want map completion, “letting it happen” isn’t in the cards for some people.

How about this? Work with your guild and potentially an alliance with a few other guilds into building a strike force. Get together when wvw populations are low for certain servers.

Even if you can’t dominate in rankings, you can still get POIs and Vistas for undefended areas.

Well thats alots of work for something i hate its like asking someone who hates grinding to do 500 CoF runs in a row, but thats not the point. My problem is that gift of exploration should be something i can do alone i shouldnt need 50ppl to get some vistats we already need 500 badges for GoB which i dont have problem with but WvW beeing part of 100% map is really BS!

Has map completion always required WvW?
Why does it require WvW? Aren’t some structures and thus poi likely to almost never be captured, even if your server is dominating?

I haven’t checked my server in some time, but at one point I understand we were doing pretty badly, even in our homelands.

It’s also not just a matter of personal determination anymore – if your server isn’t doing so well in wvw, it seems you don’t stand much of a chance for world completion!

I was actually wondering this myself a while back that how on earth do people who play on Vabbi (EU) for example, ever get their world completion. I don’t think I’ve seen them move from the last spot in… well ever.
I got the 100% completion on two characters and have been trying to get it on my third as of late. The first two characters were easy as we were the dominant server in our tier, in all maps mind you, very often. But now that we moved up in the world it’s not as easy anymore. It’s still very much doable, just not as easy as it were when were dominating.
But I really feel for those who have been stuck in the last tier for a very, very long time. I’m all for the randomizing the colors on a regular basis.

I actually like the fact that you need to get some POIs etc in WvW in order to get map completion, and I wish that some PvP POIs would be required as well. I am saying that as a PVE player who only recently, while pursuing map completion, has discovered that WvW and PvP exist and might even be fun. Well, I know they existed, but I had little incentive to check them out until map completion and jumping puzzle completion motivated me to go.
So I like that they are there, as long as they’re not super-hard to get.

I’m playing on Tarnished Coast, which is green this week, was blue last week a d acouple weeks ago when I popped over for the first time we were red. If I would have payed a little more attention, I would have been able to complete the map very easily.

At first I thought that we were always red, or maybe that their own server would always appear to be red for any player, but it turns out that we rotate, so, great!

Then I thought that this must go for all servers then – that all servers rotate through red-blue-green for all eternity so all you have to do is sit it out of a couple of weeks and then go and pick up your POIs and whatnot on the other side of the map.

In this case, the only POIs you need to worry about would be the ones in Eternal Battlegrounds’ centre keep – 4 POIs, 1 vista and 1 skill challange, and surely it would be a matter of time until you’d be able to sneak in, zerg in, or just log in when your team happens to hold the keep?

Is this not the case? I still don’t know enough about WvW to be sure. Are there servers that just keep their colour? Are the colours randomly distributed each time and you might luck out or not?

Its not impossible, its just virtually impossible.

Its a meaningless grind to hope you are lucky enough to take a poi you need whne you are online, and that you dont mind being a drain on your team by not playing wvwvw but rather just exploring.

Its atually worse in t1, some bases never change hands at all, and the queues are mental.

It’s only really a problem at the very top and bottom of the table where movement between tiers is static.
Elsewhere, if you’re losing badly one week and have access to hardly any map exploration features, you’ll in all likelihood move down a tier the next week where you’re likely to dominate and have access to ALL world exploration features.

It’s a lot more satisfying getting the star now than it was immediately after release. On my first character, I was able to transfer worlds at a click, as many times as I liked, with no delay, and world completion through WvW was trivial.
On my second character to get the star, it really felt like an achievement and really made me feel invested in WvW.

I certainly feel for those in the highest and lowest tiers, but on average, it’s definitely not impossible.

What it feels like is that I should be doing everything I can to completion now, before ANet decides to revisit it and make it much more difficult in the future. Heh, maybe I’m too late :/

FYI, they changed something last week to make WvW server position movement happen a bit more often. Sorrow’s Furnace has been the green server in T8 for months, but finally moved up to T7 last week. I am hoping this is helping other servers move around a bit more too.

ElenaDragon.8401:

FYI, they changed something last week to make WvW server position movement happen a bit more often. Sorrow’s Furnace has been the green server in T8 for months, but finally moved up to T7 last week. I am hoping this is helping other servers move around a bit more too.

What they did was put some tweaks onto tiers 7 and 8 to get some movement going since they were “stuck”.

Solution: Transfer to JQ.

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