Guild Wars 2

I agree with the separatists!

I would gladly bash some charr heads for Ascalon!

I think you have more important things to worry about, like the remaining Elder Dragons, and all the unbound magic flying around.

Sounds like a great way to end up dead

I am asura. Why should I care about a long gone human kingdom?

I am sylvari. That war is over, and there are much more important things to worry about.

I am Asura. Slaying bookah or charr or other slaves, of course! For the fun!

There really are not enough ascalonians left to even populate ascalon.

They assimilated into kryta, died to charr invasion, died to foefire or got cornered into ebonhawk and that population is probably mostly krytan descended for the sake of healthy genetic diversity.

You’d undoubtedly get more of the responses you’re hoping for if you posted this in the Lore forum.

From a game perspective, if after the dragons, Anet takes us into Ascalon to purge the ghosts and form a Lion’s Arch-type free city, then sure, I’d be happy to go along for that ride.

Otherwise, humans vs. charr… don’t think that will happen.

But the charr already reclaimed it. It took a thousand years, but it finally happened.

Greener.6204:

But the charr already reclaimed it. It took a thousand years, but it finally happened.

I with Greener, the charr already reclaimed it. If humans want more land, they can settle the empty parts of Kryta or spread south from Lions Arch. Most of those lands are wilderness.

Greener.6204:

But the charr already reclaimed it. It took a thousand years, but it finally happened.

I heard that the humans made pacts with the destroyers to try to keep the charr warriors out and that when it backfired they caused the searing. They blamed it on the flame legion, of course.

i too would like to invade and kill all the charr, if we win the war charr will be removed as a playable race

Why fight to take back land ruined by Charr when all of Sylvari land waits to be taken?

Blood and tree sap for my lord Arioch!

Duke Nukem.6783:

i too would like to invade and kill all the charr, if we win the war charr will be removed as a playable race

but if you lose humans will be removed

Before the charr, humans ruled Ascalon.
But before that, the charr ruled.
And before that, it was the Grawl.
And before them, it was the Forgotten, right?
And of course, before them all it was the Elder Dragons. Not the forefathers of the current Elder Dragons, THESE Elder Dragons.

For any human to claim rightful rule over Ascalon is laughable at best, and an act of utter idiocy. It is insulting to the lives lost in the Foefire to forget that it was humans that killed the most humans in that war. No single charr comes close to the body count of Adelbern, who not only slaughtered his own people, but doomed their very spirits to an endless war.

If you wish to honor old Ascalon, turn your gaze away in shame and learn from that mistake. Do not charge forward to repeat it.

Pifil.5193:

Greener.6204:

But the charr already reclaimed it. It took a thousand years, but it finally happened.

I heard that the humans made pacts with the destroyers to try to keep the charr warriors out and that when it backfired they caused the searing. They blamed it on the flame legion, of course.

Hmm, seems you didn’t get the latest update to your propaganda portfolio. You should have received the “Blame Abaddon!” package, followed by “Scarlet did it!” If people question how she caused the Searing, refer them to this asuran tech.

Ascalon belongs to the Foefire Ghosts, and it always will.

Yes, we shall reclaim Ascalon, and all the other human lands. As soon as we resurrect our lord Abaddon.
Nightfall shall come.

Charr would kick your kitten . :-))

I self identify as an Ascalonian armadillo. As far as I know us armadillos never lost Ascalon.

Charr may come and Charr may go
Armadillos are forever.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

I self identify as an Ascalonian armadillo. As far as I know us armadillos never lost Ascalon.

Charr may come and Charr may go
Armadillos are forever.

Lols

Ascalon belongs to the devourers!

The devourers have always been here,
Lying deep beneath the earth,
Ready to pop out and increase your vanquish count…

I main a Sylvari, and my two most-used alts are Asura and Norn.

So… yeah, if I’m paid well?

Palador.2170:

Before the charr, humans ruled Ascalon.
But before that, the charr ruled.
And before that, it was the Grawl.
And before them, it was the Forgotten, right?
And of course, before them all it was the Elder Dragons. Not the forefathers of the current Elder Dragons, THESE Elder Dragons.

For any human to claim rightful rule over Ascalon is laughable at best, and an act of utter idiocy. It is insulting to the lives lost in the Foefire to forget that it was humans that killed the most humans in that war. No single charr comes close to the body count of Adelbern, who not only slaughtered his own people, but doomed their very spirits to an endless war.

If you wish to honor old Ascalon, turn your gaze away in shame and learn from that mistake. Do not charge forward to repeat it.

Whew! 12 stacks of Burning right there. Ain’t enough condi clear for OP.

Though, let’s be clear. Humans can’t even beat their own internal strife. Separatists and White Mantle both sap at any chance the mice could have of ever winning any war. And by war, I mean against the centaurs. …I repeat, centaurs. With wooden catapults and primitive weapons.
Yeah, go up against an entire race of furry war machines with their steel-forged war machines and see how that goes.

I’m with you brother. I didn’t slave away for hours stomping chart to let those fur balls just take ascalon

Excelsior.

No, because I think I have to agree to certain people in an archived thread (Asura race subforums) that Asura might not want to engage in any kind of offensive acts/wars and focus more on defense, read in: Stabilize Rata Sum.

As Asura myself, I think we are already taking Tyria over, bit for bit. Like water: It does not fight you, it does not hurt you, but it can you drown. We don’t need to reclaim Ascalon, also because a “friendly” relationship to the cats is mandatory; the other races are merely pawns in a bigger game.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

I self identify as an Ascalonian armadillo. As far as I know us armadillos never lost Ascalon.

Charr may come and Charr may go
Armadillos are forever.

I support the armadillo’s legitimate claim on Ascalon, when will the human and charr interlopers pay their back rent?

Rauderi.8706:

Whew! 12 stacks of Burning right there. Ain’t enough condi clear for OP.

Though, let’s be clear. Humans can’t even beat their own internal strife. Separatists and White Mantle both sap at any chance the mice could have of ever winning any war. And by war, I mean against the centaurs. …I repeat, centaurs. With wooden catapults and primitive weapons.
Yeah, go up against an entire race of furry war machines with their steel-forged war machines and see how that goes.

Good point, the humans can’t even beat a race that could be defeated by a spiral staircase!

There was this game long, long ago called “Guild Wars: Prophecies.”

Specifically, “The Flameseeker Prophecies.”

So yes, some of us already did.

Yes, I would fight alongside the Ascalonian Spirits to reclaim the Human Kingdom of Ascalon. Let’s hunt some charr!

My Guild Wars 1 characters absolutely would. It was extremely frustrating to learn that we never did get to reclaim Ascalon either during those games or afterwards.

But their descendant in GW2? Ok a lot of her ancestors were Ascalonian but she was born in Kryta (and has other ancestors from all over). She hadn’t even seen Ascalon until she went there to help the charr stabalise the region. She couldn’t care less that for a while it was a human kingdom and certainly isn’t going to start a war with both some of her best friends and one of the most militarily powerful races in Tyria over it. Especially not when there are more important things to worry about.

My other characters aren’t even human, it’s all ancient history to them and not really relevant to the things trying to kill them all today.

As for me personally? On the one hand I think it’s a game and it doesn’t matter. On the other hand it’s a fictional interpretation of a real and reoccurring political situation and I could be here all night debating the pros and cons of both sides claims and trying to find a solution that seems fair to everyone. And it probably wouldn’t work anyway.

Keltan.1827:

Greener.6204:

But the charr already reclaimed it. It took a thousand years, but it finally happened.

I with Greener, the charr already reclaimed it. If humans want more land, they can settle the empty parts of Kryta or spread south from Lions Arch. Most of those lands are wilderness.

I hear Orr has lots of ocean front property.

Shivan.9438:

Keltan.1827:

Greener.6204:

But the charr already reclaimed it. It took a thousand years, but it finally happened.

I with Greener, the charr already reclaimed it. If humans want more land, they can settle the empty parts of Kryta or spread south from Lions Arch. Most of those lands are wilderness.

I hear Orr has lots of ocean front property.

That actually falls in with my point I made earlier in the thread. No one cares about reclaiming Orr to live there because everyone who used to is dead. Ascalonians are pretty much all dead. The few left are probably as much krytan as they are ascalonian.

Justine.6351:

Shivan.9438:

Keltan.1827:

Greener.6204:

But the charr already reclaimed it. It took a thousand years, but it finally happened.

I with Greener, the charr already reclaimed it. If humans want more land, they can settle the empty parts of Kryta or spread south from Lions Arch. Most of those lands are wilderness.

I hear Orr has lots of ocean front property.

That actually falls in with my point I made earlier in the thread. No one cares about reclaiming Orr to live there because everyone who used to is dead. Ascalonians are pretty much all dead. The few left are probably as much krytan as they are ascalonian.

That’s only for the descendants of ascalonian refugees in Kryta (and even then it’s likely not correct – there’s a whole Ascalonian district in DR if you haven’t noticed, as well as a big ascalonian settlement near LA). Ebonhawke is however a solely ascalonian city. There might have been some blood mixing in there, but that would be a minority.
The same almost certainly stands for most of the separatists in Ascalon areas (because most of them are likely descended from those that fled to Ebonhawke).

Remember, that Ascalon has been losing the war for years and during all that time refugees continued fleeing the country. There were many of them. And they didn’t get wiped out, like many of the Krytans, when southern krytan territories sunk due to Zhaitan’s awakening (because they settled north of LA).

So yeah, there’s not enough Orrian survivors (i bet there were some) to worry about reclaiming Orr now. The reason why up until recently there was still a war going on, and why the peace settlement is so strongly opposed by separatists show us clearly that in case of Ascalon there are still many people alive that do care.

That’s however (as it has been already pointed out) only for the humans. Charr obviously have a completely different point of view, while other major races have no beef in that, and care only inasmuch as the potential resulting conflict won’t blow in their faces.

We already did fight to reclaim Ascalon, and we won. We will just win again if those filthy separatists manage to sneakily claim any of our homeland.

I would settle for a way to make the Foefire Ghosts stop attacking Human PCs after you’ve done all the hearts in the areas, then my human PCs could hang out with their ancestors. After all, they are the ones who hold Ascalon now, not the Charr

Gryphon.2875:

I would settle for a way to make the Foefire Ghosts stop attacking Human PCs after you’ve done all the hearts in the areas, then my human PCs could hang out with their ancestors. After all, they are the ones who hold Ascalon now, not the Charr

The only way to stop the Foefire is in the lore. If Sohothin, the blade that Rytlock is wielding or it’s sister blade, Magdaer is returned to the haunted ruins of Ascalon City, in the hands of the rightful king of Ascalon, the ghosts there will finally be laid to rest. That is not likely to happen, because someone would have to kill Rytlock to get that sword from him. Or find Magdaer, which is lost somewhere in the world.

Shivan.9438:

Gryphon.2875:

I would settle for a way to make the Foefire Ghosts stop attacking Human PCs after you’ve done all the hearts in the areas, then my human PCs could hang out with their ancestors. After all, they are the ones who hold Ascalon now, not the Charr

The only way to stop the Foefire is in the lore. If Sohothin, the blade that Rytlock is wielding or it’s sister blade, Magdaer is returned to the haunted ruins of Ascalon City, in the hands of the rightful king of Ascalon, the ghosts there will finally be laid to rest. That is not likely to happen, because someone would have to kill Rytlock to get that sword from him. Or find Magdaer, which is lost somewhere in the world.

I don’t actually want them stopped. I want to hang with them

Shivan.9438:

Or find Magdaer, which is lost somewhere in the world.

You didn’t pay attention during Ascalonian Catacombs story, did you?
(hint: it’s no longer lost)

Gryphon.2875:

I don’t actually want them stopped. I want to hang with them

Y’know, if you hang around them long enough, sometimes they talk to each other. :P

I agree with the separatists!

I would get bashed by charr for Ascalon!

Fixed it for ya.

Seriously – have you seen what the Three Legions have done to the other Separatists? Maybe you should try teaming up with the Flame Legion. Oh, wait…

thanks op, due to your post I just read a bit of lore from a link provided by another poster. now that I am a bit more informed, I think I would create an organization of humans and charr and infiltrate both sides that continue to fight. I would then direct my operatives to abduct the warmongering separatists and fire legion, then throw them to the front lines of the REAL battle, along with some weapons, and say to them “your choice”.

As a Sylvari, I feel like Mordremoth did nothing wrong. What matters one kingdom when the entire world can be one under His leafy appendages?

While I dearly love the old times when the Klingons were humanity’s enemy, it seems in the second installment, we’re allies.

Yes because I want more content.

#WhatsLore

Stand The Wall.6987:

thanks op, due to your post I just read a bit of lore from a link provided by another poster. now that I am a bit more informed, I think I would create an organization of humans and charr and infiltrate both sides that continue to fight. I would then direct my operatives to abduct the warmongering separatists and fire legion, then throw them to the front lines of the REAL battle, along with some weapons, and say to them “your choice”.

Or, we could get Scarlet Briar reborn from the Mists to unite the Separatists and Flame Legion under one banner, proud in their role in the coming …somethingoranother.
And then we’d never speak of either again~