Guild Wars 2

Forum bug is bugging me. :P

I hope its free i dont wanna pay for expansion because of how living world season 2 ended. It feels like they will be forcing to buy a dlc just to fight a boss and know more about the story mordem and glints egg. It feels like destiny all over again where you need to pay to know more about the game, story, race and that kitten.

daimasei.4091:

Of course is an Xpac.

I mean, double XP? 75% off? Obviously, they want people to get ready for the expansion.

And of course, isn’t going to be free. This is a B2P game, not a F2P.

daimasei.4091:

Vayne.8563:

There are even free to play games that charge for expansions.

That turns them into B2P games -_-

Well GW2 was released as a B2P game but let’s face it, it has became more of a F2P game. The simply fact that a game charges for a game does not make it a B2P game.

We generally consider a game like WoW or Wildstar a P2P game not a P2P B2P game. The terms F2P, B2P and P2P refer to the payment models and so to the way the game company makes it’s money.

The names evolved in this way but really F2P usually means cash-shop (while of course there are some truly F2P games that have no cash-shop ).

WoW makes most of it’s money with it’s subscriptions so we consider is a P2P game.

Many non-MMO’s but also GW1 make most of it’s money using the game-sales and expansions or / and sequels sales and so we consider them B2P games and then there are many games that make most of there money with the cash-shop and have usually no or low fee’s for the game or expansions.

GW2 was released as B2P but soon started focusing on there cash-shop in stead of on game / expansions sales. If they did focus on game and expansion-sales we would have seen less cash-shop stuff and would have had an expansion 1, max 1,5 year after release for them to generate the money they needed.

So based on that alone you can’t say it’s B2P so it will be paid. But lets hope it will be paid and they move back more towards a B2P game with after this expansion more regular expansions in stead of once every 3 years (more like once a year) and losing most of the focus on the cash-shop.

That is the best that could happen for this game not even looking at the content this expansion (if it is an expansion) is going to offer.

Previous big updates have been free. Why would a future one cost anything? The community is so starved of regular decent updates and balancing they could do it, but I don’t think it will sit well with many people unless the changes were so big that they would equal a GW3.

If it is really an expansion they, I hope it is a good size expansion and not just one or two level 80 zones. There should be expansion zones for lower level characters too.

Also I hope they finally bring that Commando class to game :p

Devata.6589:

daimasei.4091:

Of course is an Xpac.

I mean, double XP? 75% off? Obviously, they want people to get ready for the expansion.

And of course, isn’t going to be free. This is a B2P game, not a F2P.

daimasei.4091:

Vayne.8563:

There are even free to play games that charge for expansions.

That turns them into B2P games -_-

Well GW2 was released as a B2P game but let’s face it, it has became more of a F2P game. The simply fact that a game charges for a game does not make it a B2P game.

We generally consider a game like WoW or Wildstar a P2P game not a P2P B2P game. The terms F2P, B2P and P2P refer to the payment models and so to the way the game company makes it’s money.

The names evolved in this way but really F2P usually means cash-shop (while of course there are some truly F2P games that have no cash-shop ).

WoW makes most of it’s money with it’s subscriptions so we consider is a P2P game.

Many non-MMO’s but also GW1 make most of it’s money using the game-sales and expansions or / and sequels sales and so we consider them B2P games and then there are many games that make most of there money with the cash-shop and have usually no or low fee’s for the game or expansions.

GW2 was released as B2P but soon started focusing on there cash-shop in stead of on game / expansions sales. If they did focus on game and expansion-sales we would have seen less cash-shop stuff and would have had an expansion 1, max 1,5 year after release for them to generate the money they needed.

So based on that alone you can’t say it’s B2P so it will be paid. But lets hope it will be paid and they move back more towards a B2P game with after this expansion more regular expansions in stead of once every 3 years (more like once a year) and losing most of the focus on the cash-shop.

That is the best that could happen for this game not even looking at the content this expansion (if it is an expansion) is going to offer.

1. It is not 3 years yet.
2. WoW was P2P and its’ first expansion was almost as late.
3. GW was the franchise that started the trend with B2P talking about MMOs, therefore, there is nothing called ‘’B2P should not be like that’’. GW was the game that started the trend and Anet will take it the way they want, there are no standards.
4. For a game that is so focused on the cash-shop, it is facinating to know that GW2 had more content-updates than WoW the first 2 years after launch.

It is 100% a paid “add on” of some sort ( xpac not confirmed) that you WILL have to pay for, due to anets predicted profit in t4 2015 being over triple that of the other quarters.

tim.1280:

It is 100% a paid “add on” of some sort ( xpac not confirmed) that you WILL have to pay for, due to anets predicted profit in t4 2015 being over triple that of the other quarters.

Keep in mind that neither ArenaNet nor NCSoft had anything at all to do with that report, and the company have been making basically the same predictions every year since release.

lordkrall.7241:

tim.1280:

It is 100% a paid “add on” of some sort ( xpac not confirmed) that you WILL have to pay for, due to anets predicted profit in t4 2015 being over triple that of the other quarters.

Keep in mind that neither ArenaNet nor NCSoft had anything at all to do with that report, and the company have been making basically the same predictions every year since release.

I realise this, but it is a reliable source and due to the fact that they submitted it before word of HoT came from anet, is reason enough for it to be true.

tim.1280:

I realise this, but it is a reliable source and due to the fact that they submitted it before word of HoT came from anet, is reason enough for it to be true.

And yet they said the same about 2013 and 2014, which clearly didn’t happen.

lordkrall.7241:

tim.1280:

I realise this, but it is a reliable source and due to the fact that they submitted it before word of HoT came from anet, is reason enough for it to be true.

And yet they said the same about 2013 and 2014, which clearly didn’t happen.

Source of this info?

tim.1280:

Source of this info?

2013:

An expansion pack for Guild Wars 2 is slated for a 2H release in the US and Europe.

http://www.kdbdw.com/bbs/board/message/view.do?messageId=184358&messageNumber=1392&messageCategoryId=0&startId=zzzzz~&startPage=1&curPage=1&searchType=2&searchText=&searchStartYear=2012&searchStartMonth=02&searchStartDay=09&searchEndYear=2013&searchEndMonth=02&searchEndDay=08&lastPageFlag=&categoryId=76

Can’t find the one for 2014 at the moment, will keep looking.

Its not an expansion.

I have it on good authority they are actually announcing the return of the Super Adventure Box. For 2 weeks.

lordkrall.7241:

tim.1280:

Source of this info?

2013:

An expansion pack for Guild Wars 2 is slated for a 2H release in the US and Europe.

http://www.kdbdw.com/bbs/board/message/view.do?messageId=184358&messageNumber=1392&messageCategoryId=0&startId=zzzzz~&startPage=1&curPage=1&searchType=2&searchText=&searchStartYear=2012&searchStartMonth=02&searchStartDay=09&searchEndYear=2013&searchEndMonth=02&searchEndDay=08&lastPageFlag=&categoryId=76

Can’t find the one for 2014 at the moment, will keep looking.

This brings me to a Korean log in screen but I assume the 2014 report you are talking about is the one where they mention an xpac in 2015?

“However, NCsoft is scheduled to launch an
expansion pack for Guild Wars 2 in the US and Europe in 2015.”

No, what I am talking about is a report that claimed that there would be an expansion in 2014.

Separate from the one that claims there would be one this year.
Point is, they have claimed stuff before that have turned out to be incorrect.

I’ll copy paste the whole page since it doesn’t seem to work all that well with linking:

nGumball.1283:

Devata.6589:

daimasei.4091:

Of course is an Xpac.

I mean, double XP? 75% off? Obviously, they want people to get ready for the expansion.

And of course, isn’t going to be free. This is a B2P game, not a F2P.

daimasei.4091:

Vayne.8563:

There are even free to play games that charge for expansions.

That turns them into B2P games -_-

Well GW2 was released as a B2P game but let’s face it, it has became more of a F2P game. The simply fact that a game charges for a game does not make it a B2P game.

We generally consider a game like WoW or Wildstar a P2P game not a P2P B2P game. The terms F2P, B2P and P2P refer to the payment models and so to the way the game company makes it’s money.

The names evolved in this way but really F2P usually means cash-shop (while of course there are some truly F2P games that have no cash-shop ).

WoW makes most of it’s money with it’s subscriptions so we consider is a P2P game.

Many non-MMO’s but also GW1 make most of it’s money using the game-sales and expansions or / and sequels sales and so we consider them B2P games and then there are many games that make most of there money with the cash-shop and have usually no or low fee’s for the game or expansions.

GW2 was released as B2P but soon started focusing on there cash-shop in stead of on game / expansions sales. If they did focus on game and expansion-sales we would have seen less cash-shop stuff and would have had an expansion 1, max 1,5 year after release for them to generate the money they needed.

So based on that alone you can’t say it’s B2P so it will be paid. But lets hope it will be paid and they move back more towards a B2P game with after this expansion more regular expansions in stead of once every 3 years (more like once a year) and losing most of the focus on the cash-shop.

That is the best that could happen for this game not even looking at the content this expansion (if it is an expansion) is going to offer.

1. It is not 3 years yet.
2. WoW was P2P and its’ first expansion was almost as late.
3. GW was the franchise that started the trend with B2P talking about MMOs, therefore, there is nothing called ‘’B2P should not be like that’’. GW was the game that started the trend and Anet will take it the way they want, there are no standards.
4. For a game that is so focused on the cash-shop, it is facinating to know that GW2 had more content-updates than WoW the first 2 years after launch.

1 No, it’s 2 years and 5 months (- 5 days) If it’s an expansion I expect it to be release within 6 months, if that is the case it is about 3 years, still I never stated it was 3 years. But what do you wanna say with this anyway? It’s not 1 year, it’s not 1,5 year like you would expect of B2P game (like I did say) and it’s well over what the market (including the not B2P games) do. Anyway, whats your point, today it’s not 3 years yet no.. so?

2 Again, wondering what you are trying to say here? What is the point you are trying to make? Talking about B2P here not P2P. Oow and just for the record, WoW took 2 years and just under two months for it’s first expansion (and was of the bigger mmo’s about the slowest). Even if GW2 was to release it today it would have been 3 months longer (thats a quart year) then WoW. Just so you have you numbers right, but still not sure what you want to point out with this.

3 There are many games using the B2P model, in fact most games do but GW was indeed the first (I know of) to use it to a MMO like game. That however does not mean the definition would change if they would start using a cash-shop type of model GW2.

4 Not sure if it’s true content-wise but sure whatever, again what is your point? Personally I would have rather seen it being B2P, having the first expansion 1 / 1,5 years after release (no content in-between would have been fine) and no gold-grind with all the fun items in the game in stead of grinding gold or buying them.

After reading your points multiple time all I can conclude is that I said something you apparently did not like, as if I was hurting your baby or something. So you decided to react but did not really have anything to say? So posted some complete irrelevant statements just to have said something about it or get some for of rage of your chest?

I have no problem having a discussion with you if you like that but then you will have to come with relevant points in stead of just some random pretty much completely irrelevant (to what I said) points. Only 3 was relevant to what I said but made no sense whatsoever.

Since I was commenting on your statements, my irrelevant statements are as relevant as yours and therefore you shouldn’t have commented in the first place if you can’t be relevant according to your own standards.

Point is that the whole whining of ‘’OMG, THIS IS THE FIRST MMO IN HISTORY TO HAVE AN EXPANSION SO LATE, NO CONTENT, OMFG’’ is not accurate. WoW was almost as late and had very little updates during these two years.

A B2P MMORPG should be cash-shop centric or the MMO would die and no, GW1 was never an MMORPG, it was just a smaller CORPG that hardly needed the same recourses to keep it alive or updated.

If you want an MMORPG with no focus on the cash-shop, you may want to play P2P games, not B2P ones. Not to mention the fact that alot of P2P games, including WoW is having alot of exclusive cosmetics in their shops by this point.

This fancy MMORPG where the cash-shop is irrelevant doesn’t exist yet. Good luck waiting for one though.

nGumball.1283:

Since I was commenting on your statements, my irrelevant statements are as relevant as yours and therefore you shouldn’t have commented in the first place if you can’t be relevant according to your own standards.

Point is that the whole whining of ‘’OMG, THIS IS THE FIRST MMO IN HISTORY TO HAVE AN EXPANSION SO LATE, NO CONTENT, OMFG’’ is not accurate. WoW was almost as late and had very little updates during these two years.

A B2P MMORPG should be cash-shop centric or the MMO would die and no, GW1 was never an MMORPG, it was just a smaller CORPG that hardly needed the same recourses to keep it alive or updated.

If you want an MMORPG with no focus on the cash-shop, you may want to play P2P games, not B2P ones. Not to mention the fact that alot of P2P games, including WoW is having alot of exclusive cosmetics in their shops by this point.

This fancy MMORPG where the cash-shop is irrelevant doesn’t exist yet. Good luck waiting for one though.

Ah now I see what is going on, you think I did say thinks I did not say. Like “’OMG, THIS IS THE FIRST MMO IN HISTORY TO HAVE AN EXPANSION SO LATE”, I did not say that in the original comment you commented on. But please quote where I said it.

and “NO CONTENT, OMFG” again something I did not say. Please quote where I said that in my original comment you commented on.

“A B2P MMORPG should be cash-shop centric or the MMO would die” Now this is at least relevant to what I did original say. But no it does not have to be cash-shop focused. It could have been Expansion pack focused. (Thats what I said.. maybe thats what you translated to ’’OMG, THIS IS THE FIRST MMO IN HISTORY TO HAVE AN EXPANSION SO LATE"?). Now a F2P MMORPG should indeed be focused on the cash-shop or would die because of n income. You see the difference there?

“GW1 was never an MMORPG, it was just a smaller CORPG” Thats why I said “MMO like game” Like as in not really but something along those lines.. like.

And that was a reaction on your statement “GW was the franchise that started the trend with B2P talking about MMOs” so you are arguing here more with your own statement then with mine.

“that hardly needed the same recourses to keep it alive or updated.” So you think regular expansion would make less money then cash-shop sales do? If that is what you are saying I am afraid the numbers seems to point out differendly.

Have a look at this statistics: https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/151443/1q14_NCSoft.jpg If you would use the release dates of GW1’s expansions / campaigns and put them against the GW1 line you would see that every time they released an expansion the income with on average up to 100% of the initial sales. Comparing that to GW2 it means that if GW2 had released it on a yearly base they might have made more money then they did now.

Oow and just for the records, I don’t expect the sales to spike to 100% again if this expansion where to be released because they already did some damage to the game the last 2,5 years scaring of people that will not come back. But I do think that if they would have hold true, to B2P and would have released on about a yearly base they would have hit the 100% just as they did with GW1.

Also games like GTA and Battlefield use this model. You really think those are so much cheaper to make? In fact GTA 5 was the most expansive game when it got released, sure it will have lower upkeep cost but a game like Battlefield likely has similar cost to keep the servers running. So statistically and logically there is no reason to assume the B2P approach would not have generated enough income.

“If you want an MMORPG with no focus on the cash-shop, you may want to play P2P games, not B2P ones. Not to mention the fact that a lot of P2P games, including WoW is having a lot of exclusive cosmetics in their shops by this point.”
You see, what you do here is using what you see in GW2, consider that B2P (this cash-shop focus) and that’s where you base your idea’s on. No when I want no cash-shop focus I should not only look for P2P I should look for P2P or B2P and not F2P. Sadly GW2 turned more into F2P the last 2 years but lets hope it makes a turn into the right direction now. And also I was talking about a focus. Yes WoW has a cash-shop but no cash-shop focus like GW2 does at this moment.

“This fancy MMORPG where the cash-shop is irrelevant doesn’t exist yet. Good luck waiting for one though.” It’s irrelevant in WoW to keep it in your example right? And I did wait for it and then GW2 came.. Announced as the B2P MMORPG. They even said the cash-shop would be irrelevant (what makes sense for a B2P game). P2P is also not my thing, no I would prefer a true B2P game like GW2 promised to be.

pdavis.8031:

Moldur.6275:

Zoid.2568:

Yargesh.4965:

Zoid.2568:

NcSoft said in their report that there will be an expansion 2015 and it will not be free.

NcSoft did not say this.

Yes they did say it. Have you seen the report?
http://www.kdbdw.com/bbs/download/192028.pdf?attachmentId=192028

“Also, in 2015, NCsoft is expected to roll out an expansion pack for Guild Wars 2, which
has sold more than 3mn copies since its release in 2012 in the US and Europe. We
assumed in our 2015 earnings estimates Guild Wars 2 expansion pack sales of around
2mn copies (US$50 per copy), and note that the expansion packs for Guild Wars 1 have
sold almost as much as the original game in the year of their release.”

Do you honestly think NCsoft would write about themselves in third person?
Btw have a look at that url you posted. Kdbdw doesn’t have a quaggan to do with NCsoft, they are just analytics who have tried to be like “omg we were so right about this expansion date” for the past years now. Every year they’re sooooo sure it will arrive, yet they end up being wrong over and over again, until when we finally have one, and they manage to fool you into thinking their annual predictions were accurate.
Source criticism, you’re welcome.

I also think that while NCSoft may want to release an expansion, it really comes down to what Anet wants to do. NCSoft may be the parent company of Anet, and Anet is basically just contractors for NCSoft, I am sure that it is part of Anets contract that Anet has a large say as to how the game is developed and run. IIRC early in 2013 NCSoft stated an expansion was in the works, and on the way, but Anet came forward and said “No there isn’t. Sorry for the confusion.”

If this is the case, then NCSofts predictions for an increase in revenue from more sales may be based on their desire for a traditional expansion, but those same predictions may not even be based on what Anet is actually doing, and the upcoming announcment.