Guild Wars 2

The title restrictions on these forums is bonkers.

Anyway, what I mean to say is that the recommended potions for dungeons on GW2dungeons.net and other resources are often misjudged imo. For instance on HotW p2 + p3 it is recommended to run potions of sons of svanir slaying, but 3 of the 4 bosses on each path are Icebrood. Only an easy ‘nothing boss’ on each path is sons of svanir. It just seems to me that the recommended potion for HotW P2+P3 should be Icebrood slaying. You’re going to want that extra damage against the bosses not the mooks, Am I right??

The truth is people rely heavily on these resources and often do not know the enemy type they are fighting. Just today in CoE a member of my guild was running Inquest slaying potions and he didn’t believe me when I told him Alpha is actually an undead. Which is what prompted me to make this post :P

Use the right potions people, it helps ^^

Edit: Was thinking of GW2dungeons.net not Dulfy.net. I have edited the post to reflect this.

This seems like it would be better posted on the pages providing this information.

Khisanth.2948:

This seems like it would be better posted on the pages providing this information.

This. ANet doesn’t run Dulfy’s site. The best way to get Dulfy’s site changed is to contact Dulfy and present your case as to why the site needs updating.

It’s rare enough to find a group using any food or potions at all, to be honest. Haven’t seen people do this consistently since COF P1 farming.

meh, just wanted to get peoples opinion on it really.

idk where you got your information from…. but you are misinformed.

Lets take path 2 for example.

2 of the 4 bosses you fight are icebrood, (Torn Fur + Jaddeor Icefist) the other two are sons of svanir. (Andal + Wollam)

True… Andal has two icebrood quaggan with him… but if you had to choose one potion for this fight…. and you are going through as efficiently as possible… you would use a svanir potion and the quaggans would die from cleave/aoe used against Andal long before Andal does.

Path three has all Sons of Svanir Bosses (Svánigandr + Sorge’s champion + Sorge) with the exception of the champion icebrood ogre, which is more of a dps sponge than he is an actual boss encounter…. and this fight also comes with two silver sons of svanir rangers.

There is almost always an equal or greater amount of Sons of Svanir over Icebrood in every path.
Unless Arenanet changes the icebrood and the Sons of Svanir inside HotW to all be the same type, you will never really have a better experience running one potion over alternating potions.

Hell… some of the sons of svanir mobs…. like the Rangers and Casters even summon icebrood wolves or elementals.

Either you use a svanir potion the entire time for a slightly better overall experience…. (vs icebrood potion) or you use both of the potions and alternate between encounters…. sometimes switching potions for switching foes mid encounter…

Idk about you…. but to me, in a casual run its really not worth it to keep my inventory open the entire dungeon spamming alternating potions instead of paying attention to my rotations and positioning.

Which dulfy guides are you referring to?

I’m the current author of both the guides for elementalists and warriors, so if you see a typo or incorrect information you can feel free to confront me about it on either the guide comment section itself or through ingame mail or whatever.

We write these guides with the intention of them being as good as we can manage to but we’re only human and mistakes do happen.

That said, I’m not seeing ill-advised potion suggestions in either of my guides.

Ballistic.2570:

TheBlackLeech.9360:

idk where you got your information from…. but you are misinformed.

Lets take path 2 for example.

2 of the 4 bosses you fight are icebrood, (Torn Fur + Jaddeor Icefist) the other two are sons of svanir. (Andal + Wollam)

True… Andal has two icebrood quaggan with him… but if you had to choose one potion for this fight…. and you are going through as efficiently as possible… you would use a svanir potion and the quaggans would die from cleave/aoe used against Andal long before Andal does.

Path three has all Sons of Svanir Bosses (Svánigandr + Sorge’s champion + Sorge) with the exception of the champion icebrood ogre, which is more of a dps sponge than he is an actual boss encounter…. and this fight also comes with two silver sons of svanir rangers.

There is almost always an equal or greater amount of Sons of Svanir over Icebrood in every path.
Unless Arenanet changes the icebrood and the Sons of Svanir inside HotW to all be the same type, you will never really have a better experience running one potion over alternating potions.

Hell… some of the sons of svanir mobs…. like the Rangers and Casters even summon icebrood wolves or elementals.

Either you use a svanir potion the entire time for a slightly better overall experience…. (vs icebrood potion) or you use both of the potions and alternate between encounters…. sometimes switching potions for switching foes mid encounter…

Idk about you…. but to me, in a casual run its really not worth it to keep my inventory open the entire dungeon spamming alternating potions instead of paying attention to my rotations and positioning.

On Gw2dungeons.net Hotw p2:
Jaddeor Icefist is listed as Icebrood
Belgren Creedbreaker is listed as Icebrood
Andal the thug is listed as Svanir
Wollum the plunderer is listed as Icebrood.
That’s 3 of 4.

Gw2Dungeons.net HotW p3:
Icebrood Goliath is Listed as Icebrood
Svánigandr is listed as Icebrood.
Fimbul is listed as Svanir
Sorge the Zealot is listed as Icebrood.
That’s 3 of 4.

Now I’m not saying that is their actual type because I’m not so sure anymore, but that is what they are listed as on gw2dungeons.net.

http://gw2dungeons.net/HotW2
http://gw2dungeons.net/HotW3

So which is it? And what resource should I trust? Is there a way to identify an enemy type in-game? and if not, Why not?

Ballistic.2570:

So which is it? And what resource should I trust? Is there a way to identify an enemy type in-game? and if not, Why not?

I’ve never heard of gw2dungeons.net…. but the official wiki backs me up
wiki.guildwars2.com/index.php?title=Sons_of_Svanir

Races and Species for the appropriate use of Potions. You are welcome.

On the side note, gw2dungeons.net is currently under heavy makeover and update. We appreciate any helps to the site. Please contact the site admin regarding volunteer.
Also: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/gw2dungeons-net-Assistance-needed/first#content

TheBlackLeech.9360:

Ballistic.2570:

So which is it? And what resource should I trust? Is there a way to identify an enemy type in-game? and if not, Why not?

I’ve never heard of gw2dungeons.net…. but the official wiki backs me up
wiki.guildwars2.com/index.php?title=Sons_of_Svanir

I think I’m starting to see where the confusion is coming from. On the wiki:
Wollam the Plunderer, Race: Icebrood. Organisation: sons of Svanir. How absolutely pants on head kittened is it that both potion types would not work here.

That’s the equivalent of having a potion that boosts damage against humans that doesn’t work against outlaws in CM.

So to be clear, it’s the organisation and not the race that matters for potions?

Why these two potions are separate is beyond me…

just use a utility/food buff combo that complements your build instead of slayer potions. the dps you lose/don’t gain against X mob will even out since you will be doing the same vs everything.

if you are using slayer potions for the reduced damage, you need a piece or two of toughness gear and need better dodge management.

generally, slayer potions are only really useful for singlewashed dungeons, like Arah, TA or CoF. the +/-10% can be nice, but I have found its almost never preferred over a solid stat boost utility and might stacking/stat boosting food.

roachsrealm.9284:

just use a utility/food buff combo that complements your build instead of slayer potions. the dps you lose/don’t gain against X mob will even out since you will be doing the same vs everything.

if you are using slayer potions for the reduced damage, you need a piece or two of toughness gear and need better dodge management.

generally, slayer potions are only really useful for singlewashed dungeons, like Arah, TA or CoF. the +/-10% can be nice, but I have found its almost never preferred over a solid stat boost utility and might stacking/stat boosting food.

I just like to be optimal in a dungeon run. I don’t think it’s too much to ask to know what enemy type we are fighting.

Anet really needs to add into the description of enemies what they are. Mainly so they read: Chills – Taunts – Icebrood. Or something of that nature. I know most enemies you can tell by their name but others, like Experiment Alpha, are guess work.