Guild Wars 2

PraetorMortis.8610:

Apparently shorting the supply of t6 mats and letting the price drive endlessly upward is okay but giving out rares let and right and crashing the price of ectos is cool.

Truth-O-Meter: Pants On Fire

Vayne.8563:

Now, this COULD be an abberation because I don’t do it that often, but for my money, I’ve personally made more money farming the armored scales.

Some people say they can make 9g/h with skelk on another post.

I didn’t know you can make that much on armor scales. So how many scale you get an hour? like 30?

laokoko.7403:

Vayne.8563:

Now, this COULD be an abberation because I don’t do it that often, but for my money, I’ve personally made more money farming the armored scales.

Some people say they can make 9g/h with skelk on another post.

I didn’t know you can make that much on armor scales. So how many scale you get an hour? like 30?

I don’t know. I got 10 in about 15 minutes…but it might just be an aberration.

Vayne.8563:

laokoko.7403:

Vayne.8563:

Now, this COULD be an abberation because I don’t do it that often, but for my money, I’ve personally made more money farming the armored scales.

Some people say they can make 9g/h with skelk on another post.

I didn’t know you can make that much on armor scales. So how many scale you get an hour? like 30?

I don’t know. I got 10 in about 15 minutes…but it might just be an aberration.

I got 50 in under 10 minutes!!! You people crack me up. There’s no way to know what he got. He could say anything he wanted in order to back up his posts, why bother even asking him.

You see farmers lowered the shelk population to get the highly prized blood, so anet lowered their population to reflect that. Living Story!!!

killcannon.2576:

Vayne.8563:

laokoko.7403:

Vayne.8563:

Now, this COULD be an abberation because I don’t do it that often, but for my money, I’ve personally made more money farming the armored scales.

Some people say they can make 9g/h with skelk on another post.

I didn’t know you can make that much on armor scales. So how many scale you get an hour? like 30?

I don’t know. I got 10 in about 15 minutes…but it might just be an aberration.

I got 50 in under 10 minutes!!! You people crack me up. There’s no way to know what he got. He could say anything he wanted in order to back up his posts, why bother even asking him.

Are you accusing me of lying? Because if you are, I’m done with you. I have no reason to lie. If you think it’s impossible to get 10 armored scale in 15 minutes using the buff by killing sharks I ASSURE you it’s not. I’m not even farming that hard. I’m sure you can get MORE.

Vayne.8563:

killcannon.2576:

Vayne.8563:

laokoko.7403:

Vayne.8563:

Now, this COULD be an abberation because I don’t do it that often, but for my money, I’ve personally made more money farming the armored scales.

Some people say they can make 9g/h with skelk on another post.

I didn’t know you can make that much on armor scales. So how many scale you get an hour? like 30?

I don’t know. I got 10 in about 15 minutes…but it might just be an aberration.

I got 50 in under 10 minutes!!! You people crack me up. There’s no way to know what he got. He could say anything he wanted in order to back up his posts, why bother even asking him.

Are you accusing me of lying? Because if you are, I’m done with you. I have no reason to lie. If you think it’s impossible to get 10 armored scale in 15 minutes using the buff by killing sharks I ASSURE you it’s not. I’m not even farming that hard. I’m sure you can get MORE.

I tried for 15 minutes I got 0. And I’m a grenaide engineer. Theoretically the fastest killing class in water. I think you just mistaken armored scale with large scale.

And if you get 10 armored scale how many large scale you got? Like 100? I can honestly say there is no way anyone can get 10 armored scale in 15 minutes at least not consistantly over a long period of time.

Vayne.8563:

killcannon.2576:

Vayne.8563:

laokoko.7403:

Vayne.8563:

Now, this COULD be an abberation because I don’t do it that often, but for my money, I’ve personally made more money farming the armored scales.

Some people say they can make 9g/h with skelk on another post.

I didn’t know you can make that much on armor scales. So how many scale you get an hour? like 30?

I don’t know. I got 10 in about 15 minutes…but it might just be an aberration.

I got 50 in under 10 minutes!!! You people crack me up. There’s no way to know what he got. He could say anything he wanted in order to back up his posts, why bother even asking him.

Are you accusing me of lying? Because if you are, I’m done with you. I have no reason to lie. If you think it’s impossible to get 10 armored scale in 15 minutes using the buff by killing sharks I ASSURE you it’s not. I’m not even farming that hard. I’m sure you can get MORE.

Make a video. 15 minutes. At least 10 armored scales.

Go travel, there are plenty of skelks on the island. Why do farmers just want to sit in one spot spamming tab and 1?

laokoko.7403:

Vayne.8563:

killcannon.2576:

Vayne.8563:

laokoko.7403:

Vayne.8563:

Now, this COULD be an abberation because I don’t do it that often, but for my money, I’ve personally made more money farming the armored scales.

Some people say they can make 9g/h with skelk on another post.

I didn’t know you can make that much on armor scales. So how many scale you get an hour? like 30?

I don’t know. I got 10 in about 15 minutes…but it might just be an aberration.

I got 50 in under 10 minutes!!! You people crack me up. There’s no way to know what he got. He could say anything he wanted in order to back up his posts, why bother even asking him.

Are you accusing me of lying? Because if you are, I’m done with you. I have no reason to lie. If you think it’s impossible to get 10 armored scale in 15 minutes using the buff by killing sharks I ASSURE you it’s not. I’m not even farming that hard. I’m sure you can get MORE.

I tried for 15 minutes I got 0. And I’m a grenaide engineer. Theoretically the fastest killing class in water. I think you just mistaken armored scale with large scale.

And if you get 10 armored scale how many large scale you got? Like 100? I can honestly say there is no way anyone can get 10 armored scale in 15 minutes at least not consistantly over a long period of time.

No, I’m NOT mistaken armored scale for large scale. I have far more than 10 large scale. I’m farming with a ranger using a jellyfish, with that F2 AOE. It works just fine. I really hope someone else verifies this, because this is just silly.

Vayne.8563:

killcannon.2576:

Vayne.8563:

laokoko.7403:

Vayne.8563:

Now, this COULD be an abberation because I don’t do it that often, but for my money, I’ve personally made more money farming the armored scales.

Some people say they can make 9g/h with skelk on another post.

I didn’t know you can make that much on armor scales. So how many scale you get an hour? like 30?

I don’t know. I got 10 in about 15 minutes…but it might just be an aberration.

I got 50 in under 10 minutes!!! You people crack me up. There’s no way to know what he got. He could say anything he wanted in order to back up his posts, why bother even asking him.

Are you accusing me of lying? Because if you are, I’m done with you. I have no reason to lie. If you think it’s impossible to get 10 armored scale in 15 minutes using the buff by killing sharks I ASSURE you it’s not. I’m not even farming that hard. I’m sure you can get MORE.

I don’t know you, though I do know you have an agenda here on the forums. You can assure everyone anything you wish and it doesn’t make it true, false, blue, pink, 4, or 33. It’s possible to get 10 precursors back to back from killing 10 mobs, just because I say I did get 10 precursors doesn’t make it true.

If you want to make statements, you need to prove they are true. As many people state, just because you see a poster say one thing, doesn’t make it true.

killcannon.2576:

Vayne.8563:

killcannon.2576:

Vayne.8563:

laokoko.7403:

Vayne.8563:

Now, this COULD be an abberation because I don’t do it that often, but for my money, I’ve personally made more money farming the armored scales.

Some people say they can make 9g/h with skelk on another post.

I didn’t know you can make that much on armor scales. So how many scale you get an hour? like 30?

I don’t know. I got 10 in about 15 minutes…but it might just be an aberration.

I got 50 in under 10 minutes!!! You people crack me up. There’s no way to know what he got. He could say anything he wanted in order to back up his posts, why bother even asking him.

Are you accusing me of lying? Because if you are, I’m done with you. I have no reason to lie. If you think it’s impossible to get 10 armored scale in 15 minutes using the buff by killing sharks I ASSURE you it’s not. I’m not even farming that hard. I’m sure you can get MORE.

I don’t know you, though I do know you have an agenda here on the forums. You can assure everyone anything you wish and it doesn’t make it true, false, blue, pink, 4, or 33. It’s possible to get 10 precursors back to back from killing 10 mobs, just because I say I did get 10 precursors doesn’t make it true.

If you want to make statements, you need to prove they are true. As many people state, just because you see a poster say one thing, doesn’t make it true.

I’ve made many statements people have doubted in the past and when push came to shove, I’ve gone out and found evidence. It’s getting tiresome.

Most recently someone said Prophecies had more content at launch than Guild Wars 2, so I looked it up and showed how Prophecies had a single starter zone, 203 quests, and 25 missions. No one could possibly construe it to have more content. Since I posted that fact not a single reply in the thread.

I’ll wait for someone who enjoys farming to go find the spot, do the math, because I don’t enjoy farming enough to keep it up, but yes, it’s entirely possible to get 10 armored scale in 15 minutes. I’m not even sure why what’s a discussion.

Vayne.8563:

laokoko.7403:

Vayne.8563:

killcannon.2576:

Vayne.8563:

laokoko.7403:

Vayne.8563:

Now, this COULD be an abberation because I don’t do it that often, but for my money, I’ve personally made more money farming the armored scales.

Some people say they can make 9g/h with skelk on another post.

I didn’t know you can make that much on armor scales. So how many scale you get an hour? like 30?

I don’t know. I got 10 in about 15 minutes…but it might just be an aberration.

I got 50 in under 10 minutes!!! You people crack me up. There’s no way to know what he got. He could say anything he wanted in order to back up his posts, why bother even asking him.

Are you accusing me of lying? Because if you are, I’m done with you. I have no reason to lie. If you think it’s impossible to get 10 armored scale in 15 minutes using the buff by killing sharks I ASSURE you it’s not. I’m not even farming that hard. I’m sure you can get MORE.

I tried for 15 minutes I got 0. And I’m a grenaide engineer. Theoretically the fastest killing class in water. I think you just mistaken armored scale with large scale.

And if you get 10 armored scale how many large scale you got? Like 100? I can honestly say there is no way anyone can get 10 armored scale in 15 minutes at least not consistantly over a long period of time.

No, I’m NOT mistaken armored scale for large scale. I have far more than 10 large scale. I’m farming with a ranger using a jellyfish, with that F2 AOE. It works just fine. I really hope someone else verifies this, because this is just silly.

I kill like 5-6 shark at a time using grenaide. All I can say is I can’t do it. I think you are crazy to say you can get 10 armored scale in 15 minutes? If you want to know I only get 15 large scale in 15 minutes. Not even an armored scale.

Vayne.8563:

killcannon.2576:

Vayne.8563:

killcannon.2576:

Vayne.8563:

laokoko.7403:

Vayne.8563:

Now, this COULD be an abberation because I don’t do it that often, but for my money, I’ve personally made more money farming the armored scales.

Some people say they can make 9g/h with skelk on another post.

I didn’t know you can make that much on armor scales. So how many scale you get an hour? like 30?

I don’t know. I got 10 in about 15 minutes…but it might just be an aberration.

I got 50 in under 10 minutes!!! You people crack me up. There’s no way to know what he got. He could say anything he wanted in order to back up his posts, why bother even asking him.

Are you accusing me of lying? Because if you are, I’m done with you. I have no reason to lie. If you think it’s impossible to get 10 armored scale in 15 minutes using the buff by killing sharks I ASSURE you it’s not. I’m not even farming that hard. I’m sure you can get MORE.

I don’t know you, though I do know you have an agenda here on the forums. You can assure everyone anything you wish and it doesn’t make it true, false, blue, pink, 4, or 33. It’s possible to get 10 precursors back to back from killing 10 mobs, just because I say I did get 10 precursors doesn’t make it true.

If you want to make statements, you need to prove they are true. As many people state, just because you see a poster say one thing, doesn’t make it true.

I’ve made many statements people have doubted in the past and when push came to shove, I’ve gone out and found evidence. It’s getting tiresome.

Most recently someone said Prophecies had more content at launch than Guild Wars 2, so I looked it up and showed how Prophecies had a single starter zone, 203 quests, and 25 missions. No one could possibly construe it to have more content. Since I posted that fact not a single reply in the thread.

I’ll wait for someone who enjoys farming to go find the spot, do the math, because I don’t enjoy farming enough to keep it up, but yes, it’s entirely possible to get 10 armored scale in 15 minutes. I’m not even sure why what’s a discussion.

Here’s an idea if people are getting tired….they should quit making declarative statements meant to push their agenda on every single player. Would probably save on eyestrain for everyone.

I don’t know why they would nerf it, I was farming in southsun before these living world stories started, if it was that much of a big deal, just remove the 200% MF buff.

The place was perfectly fine before they started the Living World events, why decide to nerf it now?

This is just going to reduce the places I farm at once they stop these living world events, and leave these farming areas gutted, and a shell of there former self once they remove the 200% MF buff.

killcannon.2576:

Vayne.8563:

killcannon.2576:

Vayne.8563:

killcannon.2576:

Vayne.8563:

laokoko.7403:

Vayne.8563:

Now, this COULD be an abberation because I don’t do it that often, but for my money, I’ve personally made more money farming the armored scales.

Some people say they can make 9g/h with skelk on another post.

I didn’t know you can make that much on armor scales. So how many scale you get an hour? like 30?

I don’t know. I got 10 in about 15 minutes…but it might just be an aberration.

I got 50 in under 10 minutes!!! You people crack me up. There’s no way to know what he got. He could say anything he wanted in order to back up his posts, why bother even asking him.

Are you accusing me of lying? Because if you are, I’m done with you. I have no reason to lie. If you think it’s impossible to get 10 armored scale in 15 minutes using the buff by killing sharks I ASSURE you it’s not. I’m not even farming that hard. I’m sure you can get MORE.

I don’t know you, though I do know you have an agenda here on the forums. You can assure everyone anything you wish and it doesn’t make it true, false, blue, pink, 4, or 33. It’s possible to get 10 precursors back to back from killing 10 mobs, just because I say I did get 10 precursors doesn’t make it true.

If you want to make statements, you need to prove they are true. As many people state, just because you see a poster say one thing, doesn’t make it true.

I’ve made many statements people have doubted in the past and when push came to shove, I’ve gone out and found evidence. It’s getting tiresome.

Most recently someone said Prophecies had more content at launch than Guild Wars 2, so I looked it up and showed how Prophecies had a single starter zone, 203 quests, and 25 missions. No one could possibly construe it to have more content. Since I posted that fact not a single reply in the thread.

I’ll wait for someone who enjoys farming to go find the spot, do the math, because I don’t enjoy farming enough to keep it up, but yes, it’s entirely possible to get 10 armored scale in 15 minutes. I’m not even sure why what’s a discussion.

Here’s an idea if people are getting tired….they should quit making declarative statements meant to push their agenda on every single player. Would probably save on eyestrain for everyone.

I made a statement on how many skale I got in ROUGHLY 15 minutes of farming…or more likely three lots of five minutes each. I was standing on the island where they have the crab toss. Schools of sharks pass by there quite regularly. Every time they swam by, I took them out. I never strayed far from the spot and I did end up with 10 armored scale in my inventory and I had just cleared my inventory before that. I have no reason to lie.

I don’t care if you believe me or not.

Vayne.8563:

I made a statement on how many skale I got in ROUGHLY 15 minutes of farming…or more likely three lots of five minutes each. I was standing on the island where they have the crab toss. Schools of sharks pass by there quite regularly. Every time they swam by, I took them out. I never strayed far from the spot and I did end up with 10 armored scale in my inventory and I had just cleared my inventory before that. I have no reason to lie.

I don’t care if you believe me or not.

So you want to take on a challenge? get a clock, kill those shark for 15 minutes and come back and post how many armored scale you got.

If you are willing to spend so much time yaping on the forum, I’m sure you willing to do a test for 15 minutes.

I will when I get back.

Vayne.8563:

Ruh roh. Looks like the farmers are up in arms. Anyone actually play and see how much slower it is to make money? Maybe try killing some of the other stuff on the island which drops blood and fangs?

Honestly I don’t get you guys. In the time you’ve been here complaining, I’ve gotten 4 armored scales. And it hasn’t been that long.

I was farming in these areas before this 200% MF buff chaos even started, I’m worried about what happens after.

As for going to farm armored scales, here is a post I responded to 4 days before this skelk nerf, regarding the karka nerf a little while ago. Note the bold

Lambent.6375:

Minos.3450:

Who farms karka anymore anyway ?

Skelks are the way to go

When you don’t want to deal with the crowd of peoples at skelks, or want to avoid DR, or just want to get your hands on some extra karka shells, or someone might be the type of person that doesn’t like farming in one area, and like variety.

Aside from that, when anet sees a large part of a map population all concentrated in one area of the map, they tend to bring down the 10 ton nerf hammer, and I would like to avoid that.

I still think the karka changes in this are might have been unintended, and I hope it gets revered.

As someone who farmed skelks the first day of southsun cove release i must say i’m a bit sad. It was my favorite farming spot and was a nice change of pace from cof1 or random dungeon farming.

To be fair, this area was noticeably broken. Skelks would instantly respawn right after you killed them — sometimes two or three times, right on top of each other.

If they brought the spawn down to normal rates, I’d say it was a fix.

FYI you don’t get armored scales from reef. You get bloods and I believe one of either fangs or claws.

That’s how I made 9g/h.

Vayne no offence but for som reason i really think your a under cover anet field operative, Idk why you would want to justify anet nerfing good ways of farming when all everyone knows there trying to do is funnel people into the cash shop to convert gems.

theres always going to be somewhere in game which you can make more money quickly so are you saying they should nerf everything until all you loot is whites?

lets have a quick look at what has happened since launch, cs farming nerfed into oblivion, you use to be able to get charged lodestones easily in coe, guess what not anymore, you use to be able to farm sparks for lodes not anymore, all mobs which use to drop t6 matts have had a huge decrease in chances of getting lucky.

http://www.gw2state.com/temples.html

have a look at that website which shoes which temples are open atm for all servers, atm i see 2, TWO temples on all eu and na servers are open?

hmmmm so that makes me think why doesn’t anyone want to do temple runs because loots have been nerfed so badly that the majority of players get funneled into a few zones.

i was in a guild at launch that had over 300ppl who were active now its a dead zone maybe 3 ppl still play, majority of bugs never got fixed and there is hardly and challenging content, the hardest thing in this game to do is whip out ur card buy some gems and loot some rng boxes to get some trash loots.

more people need to inform anet of what needs to be fixed because this could be a really great game and i do have high hopes for it, but atm i just feel disappointed and let down about anet’s attitude (not bothering to fix all the bugs and just throw in temp content that seems half done, hey wow look a new dungeon its only 1 boss and takes 3mins who needs strat anymore) and their priorities ( rng boxes and stealth nerfing ways people can make money)

pickpocket.2071:

Vayne no offence but for som reason i really think your a under cover anet field operative,

I thought that was common knowledge around here.

Instead of fighting sharks, kill Barracudas, they have a higher rate of dropping scales and armored scales, easy collect to get 10 armored an hour.

But I wish the skelk farm wasn’t destroyed.

Oops, In B4 Nerf

sweatycool.9624:

Instead of fighting sharks, kill Barracudas, they have a higher rate of dropping scales and armored scales, easy collect to get 10 armored an hour.

But I wish the skelk farm wasn’t destroyed.

Oops, In B4 Nerf

Too late that was nerfed way back.

As I hate the rng stuff AND seeing the laughable drop rate AND watching the crazy prices in TP AND having a nice hot weather outside, I am sorry Anet I COMPLETELY stop playing until these major issues are fixed and balance to go out and enjoy the coming summer time. AS I am fully equipped and no ascended weapons still you wont see me in game for a while and it’s not the 2chests per level in wvw with so poor loot that will push me loging in haha !! Not mentionning I won’t buy any gem because last time I did and tried for the MF precursor RNG I lost 50Euro to get nothing. Behind the train station in Luxembourg city for 50euro I would have something and it’s not RNG based
Enjoy fixing your game I ll be back in a month or two now ^^

Tried it again and only got 4 in 15 minutes this time. But I definitely did get 10 the first time. And I’m sure it wasn’t more than 20 minutes…again I didn’t have a timer going.

Vayne.8563:

Ruh roh. Looks like the farmers are up in arms. Anyone actually play and see how much slower it is to make money? Maybe try killing some of the other stuff on the island which drops blood and fangs?

Honestly I don’t get you guys. In the time you’ve been here complaining, I’ve gotten 4 armored scales. And it hasn’t been that long.

Farmers are upset their preferred method of enjoying this game has taken a hit.

If I enjoyed farming, I’d be upset too.

Guns and Giblets.9308:

Vayne.8563:

Ruh roh. Looks like the farmers are up in arms. Anyone actually play and see how much slower it is to make money? Maybe try killing some of the other stuff on the island which drops blood and fangs?

Honestly I don’t get you guys. In the time you’ve been here complaining, I’ve gotten 4 armored scales. And it hasn’t been that long.

Farmers are upset their preferred method of enjoying this game has taken a hit.

If I enjoyed farming, I’d be upset too.

If the method is broken, it’s broken, which by all accounts it is. I’ve had builds nerfed in many games over the years. They nerfed time warp on my mesmer. I didn’t complaint, because it was a nerf well done. I’d feel the same about this, even if I was a farmer.

There’s farming and then there’s shooting fish in a barrel.

Vayne.8563:

Tried it again and only got 4 in 15 minutes this time. But I definitely did get 10 the first time. And I’m sure it wasn’t more than 20 minutes…again I didn’t have a timer going.

I dont’ believe anything you said any way. But if number is inflated by that much not only me I’m sure no one will believe you.

And I’m saying it in a respectful way. This is the internet. You don’t believe everything random people tell you.

Vayne.8563:

Guns and Giblets.9308:

Vayne.8563:

Ruh roh. Looks like the farmers are up in arms. Anyone actually play and see how much slower it is to make money? Maybe try killing some of the other stuff on the island which drops blood and fangs?

Honestly I don’t get you guys. In the time you’ve been here complaining, I’ve gotten 4 armored scales. And it hasn’t been that long.

Farmers are upset their preferred method of enjoying this game has taken a hit.

If I enjoyed farming, I’d be upset too.

If the method is broken, it’s broken, which by all accounts it is.

By “all accounts”? I’m not sure what that means. Lots of people disagreed it was “broken.”

I’ve had builds nerfed in many games over the years. They nerfed time warp on my mesmer. I didn’t complaint, because it was a nerf well done. I’d feel the same about this, even if I was a farmer.

Who cares if some farmers complain about one spot that doesn’t affect your gameplay?

laokoko.7403:

Vayne.8563:

laokoko.7403:

Vayne.8563:

laokoko.7403:

Vayne.8563:

Phaedryn.3698:

I am curious what the thought process was the lead to the 200% MF buff on the island if they were just going to turn around and do kitten like this? It almost seems like a cruel joke now. Just waiting for a dev to pop on and yell “Psych!”. If anyone ever asks why I will not buy gems, I point to kitten like this and just reply “kitten em…”

I don’t know, that buff’s been around for a couple of weeks. They nerfed one area of an entire island. I’m not so sure what’s so hard about killing karka or killing reef riders, or going into the water and killing sharks. Maybe it’s me.

Don’t you notice some place get you more money? That’s say you make 2 gold maybe the other people can make 5?

I saw your comment the first time.

The farm was too easy. Everyone was doing it. They took it away, and people will find another farming spot, in this case 5 feet away.

Do you know the express “storm in a teacup”. Every time they nerf a farming spot, a few guys get irate, someone else finds another farming spot and they farm.

Storm in a teacup. I’m sure you can make just as much money if not more farming armored scale. The sharks are fantastic.

And how much money you make per hour? Your just giving out sentimental argument without real concrete number.

I know this stuns you but I’ll never farm for an hour straight, so I couldn’t possibly tell you. But since armored scale seem to be dropping quite well and since they sell for more than blood at this moment, I’ll go and say that until you try it, you’ll never know.

And if there is one single spot in the game where you can make significantly more than any other spot, for significantly less effort, it should be nerfed. That’s actually good game design, not bad game design.

So basically you can’t back up what you are saying. You say those shark are as good as farming other event in terms of efficiency but you can’t back it up.

And someone actually told me about shark farming a while ago. I believe those shark don’t have knockback and engineer is great to grenaide them. But the thing with farming those is they are not event, so if there are too many people it’ll get over crowded.

I can still make 8-10g an hour in other places that are not glitch/exploit farms. Others do it as well, and they don’t come to forums complaining every-time an easy farm gets toned down, because it was a little too easy to begin with. Best advice is to stop playing follow the leader and finding glitched or heavily farmed areas, and just do your own thing. Otherwise this thread is the end result. And I’ve posted plenty of video/picture evidence in the past to back this up, people who know me in game know I toss my gold at random things because it is so easy to obtain.

laokoko.7403:

Vayne.8563:

Tried it again and only got 4 in 15 minutes this time. But I definitely did get 10 the first time. And I’m sure it wasn’t more than 20 minutes…again I didn’t have a timer going.

I dont’ believe anything you said any way. But if number is inflated by that much not only me I’m sure no one will believe you.

And I’m saying it in a respectful way. This is the internet. You don’t believe everything random people tell you.

I don’t care if you believe me. One thing you’ll find I seldom do is exaagerate. I admit I wasn’t timing it, but I know for a fact it was ten and I know for a fact it was less than half an hour…far less.

Aside from that your belief isn’t required. It happened. Are you saying it can’t happen? You’ve never had a lucky run?

I farmed Sharks for scales off and on for several days with a consistent MF number.

I used the 200% from the NPC boost, 30% from food and a 3% from the spear on my warrior.

The key is to be able to kill many sharks often. If you can’t round them up and destroy them in groups farming the sharks is not going to be very profitable.

Too many people in the area working alone will also affect the results. I will group with people, but far too often they work against the results by trying to tagging everything and dragging the sharks out of the kill zone more often than not.

On average with the low MF number I would net between 12 and 25 T6 scales per hour. I found the results varied on the drops of other items. When I get fewer T6 scales, I tend to get more rare weapon/gear drops, crates, and the occasional dye or crate.

When I had the extra MF boost of a bonfire and banners the results were slightly better, usually between 19 T6 scales up to 31 T6 scales.

I have no other MF gear and would not invest in it at this point in time and therefore I am unable to put any of those number into my results.

These number are fairly accurate based on my experiences and I made note of it because I was farming for gold at this time.

There are many variables to consider. class, build, gear, DPS, mob density, other players, the Champion Shark, time spent chatting or typing and so on.

Your experience might not be similar to mine at all, it does not make my results fictitious, unattainable, the norm, or the the most efficient.

I just wanted to give some actual number results and an idea of what I do and how I make it work.

When no one else is in the area, I can get a great farming pattern going where the results climax, but I can’t control the other players obviously. When too many people flood the area, I go and do something else.

I also would like to add that I tend to farm in 30 minute periods before taking a break to do something else. It is my way of fighting off boredom and DR at the same time.

Happy farming

Guns and Giblets.9308:

Vayne.8563:

Guns and Giblets.9308:

Vayne.8563:

Ruh roh. Looks like the farmers are up in arms. Anyone actually play and see how much slower it is to make money? Maybe try killing some of the other stuff on the island which drops blood and fangs?

Honestly I don’t get you guys. In the time you’ve been here complaining, I’ve gotten 4 armored scales. And it hasn’t been that long.

Farmers are upset their preferred method of enjoying this game has taken a hit.

If I enjoyed farming, I’d be upset too.

If the method is broken, it’s broken, which by all accounts it is.

By “all accounts”? I’m not sure what that means. Lots of people disagreed it was “broken.”

I’ve had builds nerfed in many games over the years. They nerfed time warp on my mesmer. I didn’t complaint, because it was a nerf well done. I’d feel the same about this, even if I was a farmer.

Who cares if some farmers complain about one spot that doesn’t affect your gameplay?

It doesn’t affect anyone’s gameplay. Farming one spot over and over again isn’t gameplay. It’s gaming the game. My son does it too. That’s his whole style of play. He was one of the guys who solo farmed the swamp in the Fractals for hours, before they nerfed it. They nerfed it because of guys like him. Now no one can get drops in the swamp because a couple of people gamed the game.

It’s not an exploit. But it does affect other people.

Anet, for the love of all that is holy, just do what we all know you want to do. Add the T6 mats to your gem store so we can just buy them from you.

Vayne.8563:

It doesn’t affect anyone’s gameplay.

Great! So…why are you here telling people they should get over the farming nerf?

Farming one spot over and over again isn’t gameplay. It’s gaming the game.

Ah, the truth comes out.

Here I thought players could enjoy farming as a legitimate GW2 activity. But, no, it’s “gaming the game.”

What exactly does that mean, anyway?

It’s not an exploit. But it does affect other people.

ArenaNet’s overreach is the farmer’s fault? If it wasn’t working as intended, they should have just implemented draconian DR. Problem solved.

I can’t tell you how many times in Guild Wars 1, skills and builds were changed to prevent people from farming too fast. That’s why I say it isn’t just the gem store. Guild Wars 1 had no way to trade gems for cash, the game didn’t profit from nerfing farming, but Anet still had DR and still nerfed farming.

If all you want to do is farm, you’re affecting the game. You may think, well, I should be able to farm anywhere I want for as long as I want. But since that’s not how the game is designed, you’d be wrong.

You can argue with me all you want, but it’s Anet’s game.

And before you use the “play the way you want line” that’s been explained by Anet several times. It doesn’t mean you can do anything you want it game. It means that you’re not limited to one style of play to get to max level. You can level in WvW, skip PvE altogether and just PvP, level through events and buy exotic gear with karma, level through dungeons. That’s what play your own way means.

Every game has parameters. I’m not sure why people can’t accept this.

Vayne.8563:

I can’t tell you how many times in Guild Wars 1, skills and builds were changed to prevent people from farming too fast. That’s why I say it isn’t just the gem store. Guild Wars 1 had no way to trade gems for cash, the game didn’t profit from nerfing farming, but Anet still had DR and still nerfed farming.

If all you want to do is farm, you’re affecting the game. You may think, well, I should be able to farm anywhere I want for as long as I want. But since that’s not how the game is designed, you’d be wrong.

You can argue with me all you want, but it’s Anet’s game.

And before you use the “play the way you want line” that’s been explained by Anet several times. It doesn’t mean you can do anything you want it game. It means that you’re not limited to one style of play to get to max level. You can level in WvW, skip PvE altogether and just PvP, level through events and buy exotic gear with karma, level through dungeons. That’s what play your own way means.

Every game has parameters. I’m not sure why people can’t accept this.

Putting words in the dev’s mouths again eh? Anet has never once stated that they do not want people to farm. Never. Not once. Nada. Zero. They have in fact put mechanics in game to assist farming.

Guns and Giblets.9308:

Here I thought players could enjoy farming as a legitimate GW2 activity. But, no, it’s “gaming the game.”

What exactly does that mean, anyway?

It means harming the game’s balance as created and maintained by the devs.

ArenaNet’s overreach is the farmer’s fault? If it wasn’t working as intended, they should have just implemented draconian DR. Problem solved.

That’s not the problem. Sure, a few people farming a goldmine won’t hurt much. But then a few more learn what they’re up to and join in. And a few more after that. And more and more join and, well…

Does the term ‘AE Baby’ ring any bells?

JonPeters.5630:

We thought we should put in our 2 cents as well.

Guild Wars 2 is a game about freedom. We want you to be able to explore the world and engage in a huge variety of activities, focusing on whatever best suits your tastes.

Some players have run into “diminishing returns” thresholds we put into the game to provide a safety net against unanticipated economy-breaking issues. We do have these thresholds in place, but it’s not our intention that normal players should ever run into them. We’ve recently had bugs and imbalances that have caused normal players to hit thresholds, and we’ll fix those.

These systems are put in place to protect the economy from botters and exploiters. We will close exploits as quickly as we can. These thresholds help create a safety net to keep the economy safe when we aren’t there to deal with the offender. It’s important to have a safety net in place. It would be bad for everyone if, for example, a group of players learned how to speed-clear a dungeon in 5 minutes, with full rewards each time, and then repeated that continuously. When one activity emerges that’s order of magnitudes more profitable than anything else in the game, it forces everyone to either engage in that activity or get priced out of the economy.

While we need a safety net to stop unanticipated economy-breaking exploits and botting, we have no desire to stop farming. Farmers are a part every online economy and when they are doing normal game activity they do not cause any harm. If a player finds a normal game activity fun and would like to keep doing it, that’s fine with us.

Initially we have to rely on smaller data sets, instinct and some guesswork to find the correct cutoff. What this means is that some players are going to bump into the edges of these systems for a while as we get them sorted out. Please bear with us while we gather more data and lower the safety net until it’s only providing critical economy protection. Looking at the numbers this morning, we believe some of the threshold systems are just too harsh empirically and we’ll be adjusting those systems within the next few weeks to ensure that fewer legitimate players are being impacted.

I hope this helps to explain why a game like this needs systems such as this to protect its economy. I also hope it gives some insight into our philosophy about botters (BAD) and exploiters (BAD) vs. farmers (GOOD). Thanks for your support and we will see you in game.

Jon

killcannon.2576:

Vayne.8563:

killcannon.2576:

Vayne.8563:

killcannon.2576:

Vayne.8563:

laokoko.7403:

Vayne.8563:

Now, this COULD be an abberation because I don’t do it that often, but for my money, I’ve personally made more money farming the armored scales.

Some people say they can make 9g/h with skelk on another post.

I didn’t know you can make that much on armor scales. So how many scale you get an hour? like 30?

I don’t know. I got 10 in about 15 minutes…but it might just be an aberration.

I got 50 in under 10 minutes!!! You people crack me up. There’s no way to know what he got. He could say anything he wanted in order to back up his posts, why bother even asking him.

Are you accusing me of lying? Because if you are, I’m done with you. I have no reason to lie. If you think it’s impossible to get 10 armored scale in 15 minutes using the buff by killing sharks I ASSURE you it’s not. I’m not even farming that hard. I’m sure you can get MORE.

I don’t know you, though I do know you have an agenda here on the forums. You can assure everyone anything you wish and it doesn’t make it true, false, blue, pink, 4, or 33. It’s possible to get 10 precursors back to back from killing 10 mobs, just because I say I did get 10 precursors doesn’t make it true.

If you want to make statements, you need to prove they are true. As many people state, just because you see a poster say one thing, doesn’t make it true.

I’ve made many statements people have doubted in the past and when push came to shove, I’ve gone out and found evidence. It’s getting tiresome.

Most recently someone said Prophecies had more content at launch than Guild Wars 2, so I looked it up and showed how Prophecies had a single starter zone, 203 quests, and 25 missions. No one could possibly construe it to have more content. Since I posted that fact not a single reply in the thread.

I’ll wait for someone who enjoys farming to go find the spot, do the math, because I don’t enjoy farming enough to keep it up, but yes, it’s entirely possible to get 10 armored scale in 15 minutes. I’m not even sure why what’s a discussion.

Here’s an idea if people are getting tired….they should quit making declarative statements meant to push their agenda on every single player. Would probably save on eyestrain for everyone.

Amen!!!

Titan.3472:

Not mentionning I won’t buy any gem because last time I did and tried for the MF precursor RNG I lost 50Euro to get nothing. Behind the train station in Luxembourg city for 50euro I would have something and it’s not RNG based
Enjoy fixing your game I ll be back in a month or two now ^^

Careful, you might catch something that is RNG-based, sorta like some irl Sclerite

killcannon.2576:

Vayne.8563:

I can’t tell you how many times in Guild Wars 1, skills and builds were changed to prevent people from farming too fast. That’s why I say it isn’t just the gem store. Guild Wars 1 had no way to trade gems for cash, the game didn’t profit from nerfing farming, but Anet still had DR and still nerfed farming.

If all you want to do is farm, you’re affecting the game. You may think, well, I should be able to farm anywhere I want for as long as I want. But since that’s not how the game is designed, you’d be wrong.

You can argue with me all you want, but it’s Anet’s game.

And before you use the “play the way you want line” that’s been explained by Anet several times. It doesn’t mean you can do anything you want it game. It means that you’re not limited to one style of play to get to max level. You can level in WvW, skip PvE altogether and just PvP, level through events and buy exotic gear with karma, level through dungeons. That’s what play your own way means.

Every game has parameters. I’m not sure why people can’t accept this.

Putting words in the dev’s mouths again eh? Anet has never once stated that they do not want people to farm. Never. Not once. Nada. Zero. They have in fact put mechanics in game to assist farming.

I don’t have to put words into their mouths. It’s like politics. You don’t listen to what a politician says, you watch what they DO. I’ve been watching what they do for quite a few years now and I think I know the company pretty well.

No one said you can’t farm…but if farming gets too successful in one area they WILL nerf it. Because in their mind, somewhere, they must have some sort of critieria for how much is too much. That’s all I’m saying.

They don’t mind farming. What they don’t want is farming exploited to the point where someone is making money faster than the suggested gold gain rate. You can argue all you want that Anet hasn’t said anything. So?

Geotherma.2395:

JonPeters.5630:

We thought we should put in our 2 cents as well.

Guild Wars 2 is a game about freedom. We want you to be able to explore the world and engage in a huge variety of activities, focusing on whatever best suits your tastes.

Some players have run into “diminishing returns” thresholds we put into the game to provide a safety net against unanticipated economy-breaking issues. We do have these thresholds in place, but it’s not our intention that normal players should ever run into them. We’ve recently had bugs and imbalances that have caused normal players to hit thresholds, and we’ll fix those.

These systems are put in place to protect the economy from botters and exploiters. We will close exploits as quickly as we can. These thresholds help create a safety net to keep the economy safe when we aren’t there to deal with the offender. It’s important to have a safety net in place. It would be bad for everyone if, for example, a group of players learned how to speed-clear a dungeon in 5 minutes, with full rewards each time, and then repeated that continuously. When one activity emerges that’s order of magnitudes more profitable than anything else in the game, it forces everyone to either engage in that activity or get priced out of the economy.

While we need a safety net to stop unanticipated economy-breaking exploits and botting, we have no desire to stop farming. Farmers are a part every online economy and when they are doing normal game activity they do not cause any harm. If a player finds a normal game activity fun and would like to keep doing it, that’s fine with us.

Initially we have to rely on smaller data sets, instinct and some guesswork to find the correct cutoff. What this means is that some players are going to bump into the edges of these systems for a while as we get them sorted out. Please bear with us while we gather more data and lower the safety net until it’s only providing critical economy protection. Looking at the numbers this morning, we believe some of the threshold systems are just too harsh empirically and we’ll be adjusting those systems within the next few weeks to ensure that fewer legitimate players are being impacted.

I hope this helps to explain why a game like this needs systems such as this to protect its economy. I also hope it gives some insight into our philosophy about botters (BAD) and exploiters (BAD) vs. farmers (GOOD). Thanks for your support and we will see you in game.

Jon

Thanks for this. Jon says it a lot better than I do. See, Guns, I’m not putting words into anyone’s mouths.

Vayne.8563:

I can’t tell you how many times in Guild Wars 1, skills and builds were changed to prevent people from farming too fast.

For different reasons, and often in response to bots. The analogy is insufficient for this context.

If all you want to do is farm, you’re affecting the game.

That’s been addressed. Do you have additional examples in need of refutation? If so, let us hope they do not depend on blaming farmers for the overreach of ArenaNet, and rather demonstrate farming that is “gaming the game.”

You may think, well, I should be able to farm anywhere I want for as long as I want. But since that’s not how the game is designed, you’d be wrong.

Because…a tautology?

Sometimes design is wrong. Is/ought fallacy much?

Vayne.8563:

See, Guns, I’m not putting words into anyone’s mouths.

I never said you did.

Vayne.8563:

Geotherma.2395:

JonPeters.5630:

We thought we should put in our 2 cents as well.

Guild Wars 2 is a game about freedom. We want you to be able to explore the world and engage in a huge variety of activities, focusing on whatever best suits your tastes.

Some players have run into “diminishing returns” thresholds we put into the game to provide a safety net against unanticipated economy-breaking issues. We do have these thresholds in place, but it’s not our intention that normal players should ever run into them. We’ve recently had bugs and imbalances that have caused normal players to hit thresholds, and we’ll fix those.

These systems are put in place to protect the economy from botters and exploiters. We will close exploits as quickly as we can. These thresholds help create a safety net to keep the economy safe when we aren’t there to deal with the offender. It’s important to have a safety net in place. It would be bad for everyone if, for example, a group of players learned how to speed-clear a dungeon in 5 minutes, with full rewards each time, and then repeated that continuously. When one activity emerges that’s order of magnitudes more profitable than anything else in the game, it forces everyone to either engage in that activity or get priced out of the economy.

While we need a safety net to stop unanticipated economy-breaking exploits and botting, we have no desire to stop farming. Farmers are a part every online economy and when they are doing normal game activity they do not cause any harm. If a player finds a normal game activity fun and would like to keep doing it, that’s fine with us.

Initially we have to rely on smaller data sets, instinct and some guesswork to find the correct cutoff. What this means is that some players are going to bump into the edges of these systems for a while as we get them sorted out. Please bear with us while we gather more data and lower the safety net until it’s only providing critical economy protection. Looking at the numbers this morning, we believe some of the threshold systems are just too harsh empirically and we’ll be adjusting those systems within the next few weeks to ensure that fewer legitimate players are being impacted.

I hope this helps to explain why a game like this needs systems such as this to protect its economy. I also hope it gives some insight into our philosophy about botters (BAD) and exploiters (BAD) vs. farmers (GOOD). Thanks for your support and we will see you in game.

Jon

Thanks for this. Jon says it a lot better than I do. See, Guns, I’m not putting words into anyone’s mouths.

Yes he does. He says “Farmers good”. Maybe people can take that to heart. I doubt it though, people will see what they want to see….like politicians trying to push an agenda.

Guns and Giblets.9308:

Vayne.8563:

I can’t tell you how many times in Guild Wars 1, skills and builds were changed to prevent people from farming too fast.

For different reasons, and often in response to bots. The analogy is insufficient for this context.

If all you want to do is farm, you’re affecting the game.

That’s been addressed. Do you have additional examples in need of refutation? If so, let us hope they do not depend on blaming farmers for the overreach of ArenaNet, and rather demonstrate farming that is “gaming the game.”

You may think, well, I should be able to farm anywhere I want for as long as I want. But since that’s not how the game is designed, you’d be wrong.

Because…a tautology?

Sometimes design is wrong. Is/ought fallacy much?

From Jon Peters:

It would be bad for everyone if, for example, a group of players learned how to speed-clear a dungeon in 5 minutes, with full rewards each time, and then repeated that continuously. When one activity emerges that’s order of magnitudes more profitable than anything else in the game, it forces everyone to either engage in that activity or get priced out of the economy.

This is the same thing that happens with farming spots that are too profitable. The farming spot must have been too profitable, or Anet wouldn’t have nerfed it…but guess what.

Farmers don’t get to judge that. They don’t have the metrics at their disposal. Neither do I. Anet does.

So when Anet nerfs a farming spot they’re doing it for what they see as the good of the game. The farmers can like it, or hate it, but it won’t stop Anet from doing it. And every time it happens if they come complaining to the forums, it doesn’t change the facts.

Anet nerfed it for a reason. The reason is because they saw it as somehow detrimental to the game.

Why continue to argue after the point’s been proved? Or is this more personal?