- We’re also looking to make conditions scale better in PvE/WvW leveling so that they’re more viable at different junctures in the level scale.
-Balance and skill team
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/October-15th-balance-skills-updates-preview/first
Sad the buffs didn’t make it into the patch on 15th. :/ It still feels useless to play condition damage in pve especially with these 25 max stacks on bleeding … arenanet?
I hope they don’t forget about condition players – it doesn’t affect me directly but I really would enjoy more different sets used in pve. Right now you only can go for berserker or maybe kitten to be efficient.
toughts?
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And I was excepting buffs
… well – at least I know that I can go full zerk now with my necro! Thx for your info
sigh my lack of english
Ziggs Ironeye – Engineer | Madame Le Blanc – Mesmer | Mentor (PvE) | EU
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Why is this needed? Bring ONE Condi player to dungeons, its DPS is rather strong.. (20 Bleeds hitting for 140/stack, 800+ burning). The damage seems low, but its consistent! I always have a condi ele in my party and if shes the only one applying bleeds and burn, the DPS is solid. The setup I described is unbuffed, and doesn’t include the attack damage, like Churning Earth’s 9k, or Fire Grab’s 10k. Not saying its AMAZING, but it’s something to consider.
Now, in general PvE, in giant world bosses like Tequatl, having no cap would allow 600+ Bleeds… and 600+ Vulnerability, think how broken that is. I may be slightly exaggerating, but think about what you’re asking for
“He shall make whole that which was torn asunder.
Restore that which was lost. And all shall be as one.”
It’s a stackable Condition… all Conditions should he treated equal yes?
“He shall make whole that which was torn asunder.
Restore that which was lost. And all shall be as one.”
Understood, but okay. Take Ranger for example:
Opening Strike on Ranger, and pet, thats 10 stacks of vulnerability. Longbow 2 is another 10, Whirling Defense is another 12. (Yes, I use this setup), that is 32 Vulnerability. If I’m able to see 30 stacks of Bleeds on a foe, I’d like to see all of my Vulnerability applied as well!
“He shall make whole that which was torn asunder.
Restore that which was lost. And all shall be as one.”
There is no need for a cap of conditions who deal damage. Vournability shouldn’t go after 25 stacks, this makes sense to not overpower the whole damage. But it makes no sense to punish bleeding skills.
If I hit with a skill for 5k damage, a bleeding skill that does the same amount over 10 sec shouldn’t be punished if he does it with 10 allies at the same time!
Also everyone deals conditions – especially bleeding – and for those who don’t know how this works: the newest condition allways removes the oldest one. Even if the oldest one was from a condition builder.
If you say “what!? No Tequatl could have 600 stacks bleeding, thats ridiculous op!!” … why? Does it matter if I deal instant 5k damage with a normal attack or if a necro casts a spell that deals 5k damage over 10 second? It’s even worse if you ask me, so why punish someones damage? It’s like to say “no, this enemy get hit by hundres blades right now – your hundred blades will no deal no damage, sry bro” … It’s just stupid and bad designed. And it need a fix.
Ziggs Ironeye – Engineer | Madame Le Blanc – Mesmer | Mentor (PvE) | EU
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It’s a technical limitation. The most you could hope for is for each class to get their own unique form of the various conditions in PvE only. May not be ideal, but you’ll never get more than 25 stacks. It’s the same reason AE cap will never be raised. It’s the same reason pets will forever be useless.
Technical limitation? Really? You have no idea about programming, do you? That’s not even a tiny little problem. Programmers literally are gods :P
Ziggs Ironeye – Engineer | Madame Le Blanc – Mesmer | Mentor (PvE) | EU
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Because you don’t need to send detailed data from those 100 mobs to every one of those 100 players. Whereas if you’re attacking the same mob, you’re required to send the same data (which updates in real time, btw) to all participants. Which can be any number from 1 to … map cap.
I think you are greatly overestimating the task. Just one byte is enough to encode up to 256 stacks. Two bytes – 65536 stacks. A brute-force (the most stupid and simple way to do it) notification for 12 conditions would thus take 24 bytes per player. For 100 players, its 2.4KB of data required for notifications. This can be reduced greatly by using incremental updates + smarter encoding. Surely the server has enough bandwidth to send a few additional KB of data per second.
That is if the only information the game has to send is how many stacks of a specific condition the mob has. Thing is, if each stack is applied by a different player with different condition damage then you also have to add how much damage each stack is doing, which changes every tick because of conditions finishing and being replaced. Add to that as well if one player had condition duration buffed, the other one doesn’t, the third one has twice as much condition duration and so on.
It’s a pile of Elonian protection magic, mixed with a little monk training,
wrapped up in some crazy ritualist hoo-ha from Cantha.
A real grab bag of ‘you can’t hurt me. They’re called Guardians.
The only possible fix I can see (and this is for PVE since on PVP conditions are strong enough):
If target max stack of condition was reached
then apply (X, could be 3/4 or something similar) damage as direct damage.
This will let condition players to keep damaging the boss even when max stacks were applied. Not applying full damage is because I assume condition damage is stronger because it is spread over time and to avoid players speculating on whether apply their conditions now or later when the boss is full on stacks.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
The only possible fix I can see (and this is for PVE since on PVP conditions are strong enough):
If target max stack of condition was reached
then apply (X, could be 3/4 or something similar) damage as direct damage.
This will let condition players to keep damaging the boss even when max stacks were applied. Not applying full damage is because I assume condition damage is stronger because it is spread over time and to avoid players speculating on whether apply their conditions now or later when the boss is full on stacks.
This is no sollution.
People are playing condition builds to do their damage over time and allways the same amount of damage to every enemy.
With your suggestion, every condition build would be played like a direct damage build.
hmmm not really Mr Strawmen, it only patches situations where the target already has enough conditions and its a solution “lag” free for the servers since it only makes a quick check previous all other checks. It would actually be more efficient than what we have today since once the check is done it eliminates the problem by applying the damage as direct instead of creating a queue for more conditions to be applied.
Besides conditions builds are not entirely based on players that likes floating numbers but also because the concept behind, burning enemies or bleeding them to death sounds appealing but when your target its already cut and burnt… well just finish him.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
