Guild Wars 2

vox.5019:

mulch.2586:

Columba.9730:

GADefence.5634:

“Well you can seemingly run t1 and get the one item that you need from these dungeons but if you cant do that much may be you do not need these items because its just so painful that your reward of the “self view” ideal that your week in wvw. Its on you to get your gear to what level you want its no one else job to tell you how to play or what to do.”

O.o

Dear god, the community’s collective intelligence must have flatlined after the WoW locusts returned.

Do I really have to tell you why this is really a bad statement?

This game should not be a JOB. T6 mats are goign to skyrocket. These people probably bought gold (and considering how conditioned they are to it in WoW I doubt from ANet’s gem store), the dungeons are 50% boring, and this is going against ANet’s do anything (WvW sPvP real PvE dungeons) philosophy.

So wrong, so many levels.

Agreed. So I am forced to endure misery to compete in WvWvW now? Isn’t this the opposite of their promise to us?

You’re not forced. Even more, you’ll compete just as well in WvW if you don’t endure misery.

WvW is not like pvp in GW2. Your build, your gear really doesn’t contribute very much to the whole endeavor. A few stat points isn’t going to matter a lick. And if you’re the kind of player who needs every point he can get, you’re still gonna suck no matter what.

Relax and trust that by the time ascended gear gets past 3 accessory slots, by the time it makes a statistically-discernible difference, there’ll be a bunch of ways you can get that gear.

It doesn’t matter as much at the zergs, but whether you’re running supplies, scouting, ganking yakks, taking the pve objectives, or just getting back to the zerg after dying there are still plenty of instances where 1v1s or small fights occur. Yes it will matter.

It also matters when running with the zerg. Thanks to Anet’s loot and badge drop algorithms you need a team to keep up with badges and repairs, much less siege. Who is going to want an undergeared player in their team?

My level 80 in rares couldn’t get a team the other day when I asked in TS. I got not one badge. Not one loot bag.

mulch.2586:

Columba.9730:

GADefence.5634:

“Well you can seemingly run t1 and get the one item that you need from these dungeons but if you cant do that much may be you do not need these items because its just so painful that your reward of the “self view” ideal that your week in wvw. Its on you to get your gear to what level you want its no one else job to tell you how to play or what to do.”

O.o

Dear god, the community’s collective intelligence must have flatlined after the WoW locusts returned.

Do I really have to tell you why this is really a bad statement?

This game should not be a JOB. T6 mats are goign to skyrocket. These people probably bought gold (and considering how conditioned they are to it in WoW I doubt from ANet’s gem store), the dungeons are 50% boring, and this is going against ANet’s do anything (WvW sPvP real PvE dungeons) philosophy.

So wrong, so many levels.

Agreed. So I am forced to endure misery to compete in WvWvW now? Isn’t this the opposite of their promise to us?

You’re not forced. Even more, you’ll compete just as well in WvW if you don’t endure misery.

WvW is not like pvp in GW2. Your build, your gear really doesn’t contribute very much to the whole endeavor. A few stat points isn’t going to matter a lick. And if you’re the kind of player who needs every point he can get, you’re still gonna suck no matter what.

Relax and trust that by the time ascended gear gets past 3 accessory slots, by the time it makes a statistically-discernible difference, there’ll be a bunch of ways you can get that gear.

Who are you to tell me what I need in wvwvw? You don’t even know how I play. They aren’t a few stat points. it’s 20%+ improvement. Why should wvwvw players be pushed to the back of the bus for this new content? Why are you against wvwvw players getting equal treatment?

There’s a supply of less than 20k of the T6 materials needed for ascended backpacks and infusions on the trading post.

That means only 40 out of the 2 million+ people who play the game will be able to craft the backpack and the infusion.

That’s 0.002% of the player base.

No gear disparity? Yeah right.

Cerise.9045:

There’s a supply of less than 20k of the T6 materials needed for ascended backpacks and infusions on the trading post.

That means only 40 out of the 2 million+ people who play the game will be able to craft the backpack and the infusion.

That’s 0.002% of the player base.

No gear disparity? Yeah right.

And people are saying the drop rate for those mats just got nerfed, too.

Rejam.3946:

Namu.5712:

Garenthal.1480:

It isn’t ‘easy’ to obtain at all. It involves a grind, be it a direct or indirect one. Some people will be lucky enough to be able to throw gold at anything they need, which isn’t ideal for those of us who don’t devote our time to grinding money.

Time to wake up buddy.

Getting to 80 was a grind.

Getting your exotics guess what…. oh thats right it was a grind.

I like how people seem to think that with ascended gear theres now a grind…. it was there all along. What do some of you smoke?

It was a grind, yes. I don’t think anyone has suggested otherwise.
But it was a grind with an end in sight. It was an achievable grind.
People could achieve it without repeating the same content over and over again. Endlessly grinding the same stuff for another stat upgrade is not comparable.

And that sums it up nicely for those that seem to think we have no clue on what a grind is. The whole point to this game and the way it was promoted was basicly…

“you have an end in sight that is resonable to obtain, once there, you can “grind” if you like for some cool skins, but your not obligated to compete" I think sums it up well.

Columba.9730:

mulch.2586:

Columba.9730:

mulch.2586:

Narkosys.5173:

Namu.5712:

Garenthal.1480:

It isn’t ‘easy’ to obtain at all. It involves a grind, be it a direct or indirect one. Some people will be lucky enough to be able to throw gold at anything they need, which isn’t ideal for those of us who don’t devote our time to grinding money.

Time to wake up buddy.

Getting to 80 was a grind.

Getting your exotics guess what…. oh thats right it was a grind.

I like how people seem to think that with ascended gear theres now a grind…. it was there all along. What do some of you smoke?

Getting to 80 was fun and a blast – guess what no grind.

Getting my exotics I bought with gold that I did playing the game and WvW.
Guess what No Grind and it was fun.

Getting Ascend gear – Guess what – Grind and no fun.
Try again Please……
PS you did it wrong
Other users experience may vary but no grind for me

Did you try the FotM? My initial runs were a lot of fun, even more than the dungeons we had at launch.

The cool thing in GW2 is if you don’t want to grind that gear, you don’t have to. Exotic gear works just as well as it ever did.

Exotic will put me at a big disadvantage in WvWvW. I tried the dungeons and hated them. Why can’t I get these items via WvWvW? Right now?

“big disadvantage” in WvWvW? Is 2 rings and a back, what reportedly is just a few stat points difference, max right now.

How bad are you that you have a big disadvantage because of a few stats points?

You know, you could use a consumable or two and more than make up for your woeful performance.

Use your wealth from WvW to buy yourself the power you need to equalize the disadvantage.

Do the math, pal. It’s a 10-30% advantage. It’s not trivial. Everyone has consumables, so that’s irrelevant . Nice personal attack.

lol, apparently you are terrible at mathematics. Don’t worry, I am too. But I saw someone do the math breakdown.

The reason for the ambiguity is the lower number is rough magic find math per-stat values, while the upper number is more consistent with a 40% increase on the ring and a 60% on the gem (which is approximately the stat split on various quality rings and gems). When we compare this potential ring versus the current exotic status quo, we get an ~8.9% increase. Due to not knowing exactly how magic find breaks down, I think it’s safe to call this a half-tier (two-thirds tier?), which should be a ~6.5-8.5% increase.

(5 more power / 63 power in exotics = 7.937% increase) minuscule when you take into account your total stats. Keep in mind that a single stack of MIGHT gives you 35 power, and I barely even notice it. These numbers are so anaemic of an increase that this whole thing is becoming a laughable charade. The Infusion slots are for stacking resistances to and power against the dungeon specific mechanics.

An ele with all healing power with the exception of runes will heal for ~2700 with this skill. And 8% of this number is 216. A SMALL number, none-the-less, it’s still an increase. But will that save you? The lowest base health on ANY character is 10,000 life (ele, guardian, thief). You can see how tiny that is… to heal 2% more of a player life is insignificant. And that is the base life of the lowest classes. Try scaling it with the base life of 20,000 (warrior, necro, engi). That’s 1%! A meaningless number. Power to damage scales a LOT worse than healing power and does not have a constant value.

TL:DR; Your total dps and armor will increase LESS THAN 1%.

Bardes.1870:

]Yeah, 1 day to gain backslot asc gear, Anet’s wonderful plan would allow those boring guys to enjoy 20 more days ….

The problem is:

1) Sure, it may be easy for you to get one ascended item, but how long will it take once ascended items are fully implemented and you want 6 trinkets, 6 armor pieces, and 2-4 weapons, plus infusions? Per character?

2) Not everyone is rich enough to afford 250 t6 crafting materials and 50 ectos in a day, especially if the ascended with the stats or skin they want requires one of the more expensive t6s. In typical MMO fashion it’s likely that they’ll become easier to obtain down the line, but right now one ascended piece is as expensive as a full set of exotic gear.

I’ll be sticking with my exotics, thank you very much. I just hope the infusion/agony mechanic is going to be for FotM only.

It’s frustrating how GW1 has gone seven and a half years without raising the cap on item stats, and GW2 has done it in under three months.

Jasher.6580:

Columba.9730:

mulch.2586:

Columba.9730:

mulch.2586:

Narkosys.5173:

Namu.5712:

Garenthal.1480:

It isn’t ‘easy’ to obtain at all. It involves a grind, be it a direct or indirect one. Some people will be lucky enough to be able to throw gold at anything they need, which isn’t ideal for those of us who don’t devote our time to grinding money.

Time to wake up buddy.

Getting to 80 was a grind.

Getting your exotics guess what…. oh thats right it was a grind.

I like how people seem to think that with ascended gear theres now a grind…. it was there all along. What do some of you smoke?

Getting to 80 was fun and a blast – guess what no grind.

Getting my exotics I bought with gold that I did playing the game and WvW.
Guess what No Grind and it was fun.

Getting Ascend gear – Guess what – Grind and no fun.
Try again Please……
PS you did it wrong
Other users experience may vary but no grind for me

Did you try the FotM? My initial runs were a lot of fun, even more than the dungeons we had at launch.

The cool thing in GW2 is if you don’t want to grind that gear, you don’t have to. Exotic gear works just as well as it ever did.

Exotic will put me at a big disadvantage in WvWvW. I tried the dungeons and hated them. Why can’t I get these items via WvWvW? Right now?

“big disadvantage” in WvWvW? Is 2 rings and a back, what reportedly is just a few stat points difference, max right now.

How bad are you that you have a big disadvantage because of a few stats points?

You know, you could use a consumable or two and more than make up for your woeful performance.

Use your wealth from WvW to buy yourself the power you need to equalize the disadvantage.

Do the math, pal. It’s a 10-30% advantage. It’s not trivial. Everyone has consumables, so that’s irrelevant . Nice personal attack.

lol, apparently you are terrible at mathematics. Don’t worry, I am too. But I saw someone do the math breakdown.

The reason for the ambiguity is the lower number is rough magic find math per-stat values, while the upper number is more consistent with a 40% increase on the ring and a 60% on the gem (which is approximately the stat split on various quality rings and gems). When we compare this potential ring versus the current exotic status quo, we get an ~8.9% increase. Due to not knowing exactly how magic find breaks down, I think it’s safe to call this a half-tier (two-thirds tier?), which should be a ~6.5-8.5% increase.

(5 more power / 63 power in exotics = 7.937% increase) minuscule when you take into account your total stats. Keep in mind that a single stack of MIGHT gives you 35 power, and I barely even notice it. These numbers are so anaemic of an increase that this whole thing is becoming a laughable charade. The Infusion slots are for stacking resistances to and power against the dungeon specific mechanics.

An ele with all healing power with the exception of runes will heal for ~2700 with this skill. And 8% of this number is 216. A SMALL number, none-the-less, it’s still an increase. But will that save you? The lowest base health on ANY character is 10,000 life (ele, guardian, thief). You can see how tiny that is… to heal 2% more of a player life is insignificant. And that is the base life of the lowest classes. Try scaling it with the base life of 20,000 (warrior, necro, engi). That’s 1%! A meaningless number. Power to damage scales a LOT worse than healing power and does not have a constant value.

TL:DR; Your total dps and armor will increase LESS THAN 1%.

Took math through differential equations. Hardly terrible. Others have run the math and shared their details. It’s not even close to 1%. It’s at least 8%, in some cases over 20%

Columba.9730:

Jasher.6580:

Columba.9730:

mulch.2586:

Columba.9730:

mulch.2586:

Narkosys.5173:

Namu.5712:

Garenthal.1480:

It isn’t ‘easy’ to obtain at all. It involves a grind, be it a direct or indirect one. Some people will be lucky enough to be able to throw gold at anything they need, which isn’t ideal for those of us who don’t devote our time to grinding money.

Time to wake up buddy.

Getting to 80 was a grind.

Getting your exotics guess what…. oh thats right it was a grind.

I like how people seem to think that with ascended gear theres now a grind…. it was there all along. What do some of you smoke?

Getting to 80 was fun and a blast – guess what no grind.

Getting my exotics I bought with gold that I did playing the game and WvW.
Guess what No Grind and it was fun.

Getting Ascend gear – Guess what – Grind and no fun.
Try again Please……
PS you did it wrong
Other users experience may vary but no grind for me

Did you try the FotM? My initial runs were a lot of fun, even more than the dungeons we had at launch.

The cool thing in GW2 is if you don’t want to grind that gear, you don’t have to. Exotic gear works just as well as it ever did.

Exotic will put me at a big disadvantage in WvWvW. I tried the dungeons and hated them. Why can’t I get these items via WvWvW? Right now?

“big disadvantage” in WvWvW? Is 2 rings and a back, what reportedly is just a few stat points difference, max right now.

How bad are you that you have a big disadvantage because of a few stats points?

You know, you could use a consumable or two and more than make up for your woeful performance.

Use your wealth from WvW to buy yourself the power you need to equalize the disadvantage.

Do the math, pal. It’s a 10-30% advantage. It’s not trivial. Everyone has consumables, so that’s irrelevant . Nice personal attack.

lol, apparently you are terrible at mathematics. Don’t worry, I am too. But I saw someone do the math breakdown.

The reason for the ambiguity is the lower number is rough magic find math per-stat values, while the upper number is more consistent with a 40% increase on the ring and a 60% on the gem (which is approximately the stat split on various quality rings and gems). When we compare this potential ring versus the current exotic status quo, we get an ~8.9% increase. Due to not knowing exactly how magic find breaks down, I think it’s safe to call this a half-tier (two-thirds tier?), which should be a ~6.5-8.5% increase.

(5 more power / 63 power in exotics = 7.937% increase) minuscule when you take into account your total stats. Keep in mind that a single stack of MIGHT gives you 35 power, and I barely even notice it. These numbers are so anaemic of an increase that this whole thing is becoming a laughable charade. The Infusion slots are for stacking resistances to and power against the dungeon specific mechanics.

An ele with all healing power with the exception of runes will heal for ~2700 with this skill. And 8% of this number is 216. A SMALL number, none-the-less, it’s still an increase. But will that save you? The lowest base health on ANY character is 10,000 life (ele, guardian, thief). You can see how tiny that is… to heal 2% more of a player life is insignificant. And that is the base life of the lowest classes. Try scaling it with the base life of 20,000 (warrior, necro, engi). That’s 1%! A meaningless number. Power to damage scales a LOT worse than healing power and does not have a constant value.

TL:DR; Your total dps and armor will increase LESS THAN 1%.

Took math through differential equations. Hardly terrible. Others have run the math and shared their details. It’s not even close to 1%. It’s at least 8%, in some cases over 20%

I’m not a mathematician… and I agree with the 8% since I’ve seen the actual breakdown… but that 8% in stats when compared to the health of the npc or the professions turns out to be less than 1% of player contribution.

I fail to see how it could possibly be 20% in any case whatsoever, much less 30% like what you said earlier.

Columba.9730:

mulch.2586:

Columba.9730:

GADefence.5634:

“Well you can seemingly run t1 and get the one item that you need from these dungeons but if you cant do that much may be you do not need these items because its just so painful that your reward of the “self view” ideal that your week in wvw. Its on you to get your gear to what level you want its no one else job to tell you how to play or what to do.”

O.o

Dear god, the community’s collective intelligence must have flatlined after the WoW locusts returned.

Do I really have to tell you why this is really a bad statement?

This game should not be a JOB. T6 mats are goign to skyrocket. These people probably bought gold (and considering how conditioned they are to it in WoW I doubt from ANet’s gem store), the dungeons are 50% boring, and this is going against ANet’s do anything (WvW sPvP real PvE dungeons) philosophy.

So wrong, so many levels.

Agreed. So I am forced to endure misery to compete in WvWvW now? Isn’t this the opposite of their promise to us?

You’re not forced. Even more, you’ll compete just as well in WvW if you don’t endure misery.

WvW is not like pvp in GW2. Your build, your gear really doesn’t contribute very much to the whole endeavor. A few stat points isn’t going to matter a lick. And if you’re the kind of player who needs every point he can get, you’re still gonna suck no matter what.

Relax and trust that by the time ascended gear gets past 3 accessory slots, by the time it makes a statistically-discernible difference, there’ll be a bunch of ways you can get that gear.

Who are you to tell me what I need in wvwvw? You don’t even know how I play. They aren’t a few stat points. it’s 20%+ improvement. Why should wvwvw players be pushed to the back of the bus for this new content? Why are you against wvwvw players getting equal treatment?

Here you’re just plain wrong, in the sense of arithmetic.

I do understand you’re feeling hurt and betrayed. That’s real.
20% from 2 rings and a backpack isn’t gonna happen even if you’re upgrading from blue.

(for what it’s worth, I am good at math, taught grad and undergrad for years, with the dozens of pages long CV to prove it — the math for GW2 however is simple but does take a little homework)

not 20% increase in stats? many have shown otherwise.

Cerise.9045:

There’s a supply of less than 20k of the T6 materials needed for ascended backpacks and infusions on the trading post.

That means only 40 out of the 2 million+ people who play the game will be able to craft the backpack and the infusion.

That’s 0.002% of the player base.

No gear disparity? Yeah right.

that’s 20k at any given time. Not 20k total. That 20k is bought and restocked like 1000x a day. There is a constant flow in and out. if you don’t believe me just try it. Buy a few and then sell them at the current price. Also take note of how many are currently available at that price because yours will be added to the end of that list. typically there are about 600 at a given price and if you add one to that it usually sells within 10 minutes…

using those rough numbers that means 1 is bought every second, yet the total supply stays roughly constant all the time.

What is the recipe for the power vit tougness backpack (no magic find addition)

Great and Congrats on the achievement.
So Anet now that the gear is out when can the next dungeon be released.
People need something to do after all.
They are 80 now with Ascended gear – There is nothing else to do .
When is the next dungeon launch.
have to keep the grind going and going….

Columba.9730:

Jski.6180:

Columba.9730:

mulch.2586:

Narkosys.5173:

Namu.5712:

Garenthal.1480:

It isn’t ‘easy’ to obtain at all. It involves a grind, be it a direct or indirect one. Some people will be lucky enough to be able to throw gold at anything they need, which isn’t ideal for those of us who don’t devote our time to grinding money.

Time to wake up buddy.

Getting to 80 was a grind.

Getting your exotics guess what…. oh thats right it was a grind.

I like how people seem to think that with ascended gear theres now a grind…. it was there all along. What do some of you smoke?

Getting to 80 was fun and a blast – guess what no grind.

Getting my exotics I bought with gold that I did playing the game and WvW.
Guess what No Grind and it was fun.

Getting Ascend gear – Guess what – Grind and no fun.
Try again Please……
PS you did it wrong
Other users experience may vary but no grind for me

Did you try the FotM? My initial runs were a lot of fun, even more than the dungeons we had at launch.

The cool thing in GW2 is if you don’t want to grind that gear, you don’t have to. Exotic gear works just as well as it ever did.

Exotic will put me at a big disadvantage in WvWvW. I tried the dungeons and hated them. Why can’t I get these items via WvWvW? Right now?

Well you can seemingly run t1 and get the one item that you need from these dungeons but if you cant do that much may be you do not need these items because its just so painful that your reward of the “self view” ideal that your week in wvw. Its on you to get your gear to what level you want its no one else job to tell you how to play or what to do.

Lol what? Hw many days of doing stuff I hate? Why is that fun?

Less then one day god your lazy.
Do you realty want the game just to hand you every thing? And like always you do not need the gear to play most of the game just the T6 and up on the new event that YOU HATE so i do not see your problem other then the need to come of the forms and tell ppl about your made up problems.

Jski.6180:

Columba.9730:

Jski.6180:

Columba.9730:

mulch.2586:

Narkosys.5173:

Namu.5712:

Garenthal.1480:

It isn’t ‘easy’ to obtain at all. It involves a grind, be it a direct or indirect one. Some people will be lucky enough to be able to throw gold at anything they need, which isn’t ideal for those of us who don’t devote our time to grinding money.

Time to wake up buddy.

Getting to 80 was a grind.

Getting your exotics guess what…. oh thats right it was a grind.

I like how people seem to think that with ascended gear theres now a grind…. it was there all along. What do some of you smoke?

Getting to 80 was fun and a blast – guess what no grind.

Getting my exotics I bought with gold that I did playing the game and WvW.
Guess what No Grind and it was fun.

Getting Ascend gear – Guess what – Grind and no fun.
Try again Please……
PS you did it wrong
Other users experience may vary but no grind for me

Did you try the FotM? My initial runs were a lot of fun, even more than the dungeons we had at launch.

The cool thing in GW2 is if you don’t want to grind that gear, you don’t have to. Exotic gear works just as well as it ever did.

Exotic will put me at a big disadvantage in WvWvW. I tried the dungeons and hated them. Why can’t I get these items via WvWvW? Right now?

Well you can seemingly run t1 and get the one item that you need from these dungeons but if you cant do that much may be you do not need these items because its just so painful that your reward of the “self view” ideal that your week in wvw. Its on you to get your gear to what level you want its no one else job to tell you how to play or what to do.

Lol what? Hw many days of doing stuff I hate? Why is that fun?

Less then one day god your lazy.
Do you realty want the game just to hand you every thing? And like always you do not need the gear to play most of the game just the T6 and up on the new event that YOU HATE so i do not see your problem other then the need to come of the forms and tell ppl about your made up problems.

90 hours per piece isn’t one day. I am happy to wvwvw for items. Yes at 20-30% better, the gear is a must have, lol.

Columba.9730:

Jski.6180:

Columba.9730:

Jski.6180:

Columba.9730:

mulch.2586:

Narkosys.5173:

Namu.5712:

Garenthal.1480:

It isn’t ‘easy’ to obtain at all. It involves a grind, be it a direct or indirect one. Some people will be lucky enough to be able to throw gold at anything they need, which isn’t ideal for those of us who don’t devote our time to grinding money.

Time to wake up buddy.

Getting to 80 was a grind.

Getting your exotics guess what…. oh thats right it was a grind.

I like how people seem to think that with ascended gear theres now a grind…. it was there all along. What do some of you smoke?

Getting to 80 was fun and a blast – guess what no grind.

Getting my exotics I bought with gold that I did playing the game and WvW.
Guess what No Grind and it was fun.

Getting Ascend gear – Guess what – Grind and no fun.
Try again Please……
PS you did it wrong
Other users experience may vary but no grind for me

Did you try the FotM? My initial runs were a lot of fun, even more than the dungeons we had at launch.

The cool thing in GW2 is if you don’t want to grind that gear, you don’t have to. Exotic gear works just as well as it ever did.

Exotic will put me at a big disadvantage in WvWvW. I tried the dungeons and hated them. Why can’t I get these items via WvWvW? Right now?

Well you can seemingly run t1 and get the one item that you need from these dungeons but if you cant do that much may be you do not need these items because its just so painful that your reward of the “self view” ideal that your week in wvw. Its on you to get your gear to what level you want its no one else job to tell you how to play or what to do.

Lol what? Hw many days of doing stuff I hate? Why is that fun?

Less then one day god your lazy.
Do you realty want the game just to hand you every thing? And like always you do not need the gear to play most of the game just the T6 and up on the new event that YOU HATE so i do not see your problem other then the need to come of the forms and tell ppl about your made up problems.

90 hours per piece isn’t one day. I am happy to wvwvw for items. Yes at 20-30% better, the gear is a must have, lol.

The thing about wvw is most of the work you do if your not a caption is taking supplies and having a sieges weapon. Other then that your not going to do much for your team unless your one of though lemming type that likes to slam there head into doors and walls (sadly i watch ppl do this vs wall and they are doing nothing but auto attking it but they do not see to understand this).
If you want 1v1 or low man vs low man action spvp is the only places your going to truly get that and it happens that they give you all the gear for spvp for free.

morbidillusion.2759:

250 T6 mats
50 Ectos
24 skill points
1 Mists essense

This is easy to obtain? Considering you still need an infusion for it and it is a single item slot?

Quick calculations, before prices have even sky-rocketted, show that this would cost you 60 gold for one item using Powerful Bloods and Ectos each at 20 silvers, which both are higher than right now.

Add in the fact that drop rates have been obliterated and this will soon cost 100g+ and it will be 100g that is insanely difficult to gain, as if it wasn’t already.

They also said T6 mats were going to be dropped more often now and in more places. I know on the new map today I already got 5 Powerful Bloods from it. They did increase demand but they are also increasing supply of T6 materials. Also as a level 80 character level 55+ zones not have a chance at dropping level 80 materials including T6 materials where it was limited to level 77 stuff before.

AnemoneMeer.7182:

It was done by about 2 am this morning or so.

No, you don’t need some obscene fractal count. They linked it, showed it off, etc. And according to them, it was made in the mystic forge with 250 ancient bones.

So, yeah, people are already getting this stuff day one without going completely insane.

Ancient bones are in overabundance by little need for them and people farming Orr day in day out. Now, T6 mats are needed in massive quantities and you can farm a handful an hour. See any problem here at all?

And oh yes I’m sure somebody with nothing else to do had plenty of mats stockpiled and could get enough dungeon runs in to get a backpack. Does this mean he won’t have to grind to get 18 or so other pieces of ascended for just one build?

Too funny. If anything, this proves how hardcore grinders will be done with this “new content” in no time and still be bored, demanding more “gear progression” or leaving, and the core GW fans will be ever more alienated.

The truth is… this scheme wasn’t made to make either of these groups happy.

Jski.6180:

Less then one day god your lazy.
Do you realty want the game just to hand you every thing? And like always you do not need the gear to play most of the game just the T6 and up on the new event that YOU HATE so i do not see your problem other then the need to come of the forms and tell ppl about your made up problems.

1) He didn’t farm the 50 ecto and 250 T6 mats in that same day.
2) The “not need” argument is silly. People don’t want to play in a game where they suffer from arbitrary disadvantages. They play games to get away from that. If there is anything people do “not need,” it is to have more numbers to fight more numbers.
3) I really enjoy the term “lazy” applied to people that don’t find excessive repetition in A GAME their idea of fun. Yeah, we want to play a game here not work it 9 am to 12 pm (which is what “a day” means). That is why we purchased a game with the PROMISE it wouldn’t put us through that.

I need 250 Armored Scales myself, so yeah, that’s an obscene cost.

Compare that cost to all the doomsaying about needing to run 90-100 hours of fractals. I’ve already got a Triforge and Jormag’s Breath under my belt without hardcore farming (I enjoy dungeons personally, and can get some groups that can speedclear them. TA pays REALLY well with a little luck, and AC can give well over a gold an hour. Even moreso now. As a breakdown for that, the boss gives close to 60s alone with a omnom bar. The champions give over 5s and pay back the cost of the omnom bar in one kill as well. The bags of gold add another 2s or so. The drops then have to cover the last like… 18s, and that’s a 20 minute run with a good group. Three runs = just shy of 3g in an hour. Last I checked, the spider boss was updated to drop an extra 10s, so that’s another 30s right there too.)

Yeah, it’s a pretty insane cost if you were just farming Plinx, but there are harder gold generation methods that pay more than twice as much. Then again everything is harder than Plinx, so yeah….