Guild Wars 2

i think i have maybe 15 AP from dungeons and i have 14.7k AP. The dungeon master title would be much better at measuring skill then AP (and even that is a flawed measurement).

Shouldn’t this topic be in the dungeon/fractals board since that is what it is about? Why are you complaining about noobs in dungeons that dont do what you think they should do in a topic that isn’t posted on a forum board designed specificly for dungeons?

Mirta.5029:

TheFool.4589:

I’m still trying to figure out how people got to lvl 11 fractals and STILL don’t know what to do.

11 isn’t that high. I always considered 1 to 20 to be noob friendly.

Yes but it’s lvl 11. You have to do 1-10 to get there. How can you play the same thing 10 times and still have no idea what you’re doing?

TheFool.4589:

Mirta.5029:

TheFool.4589:

I’m still trying to figure out how people got to lvl 11 fractals and STILL don’t know what to do.

11 isn’t that high. I always considered 1 to 20 to be noob friendly.

Yes but it’s lvl 11. You have to do 1-10 to get there. How can you play the same thing 10 times and still have no idea what you’re doing?

By no means do you have to have done level 1-10 to play a level 11 fractal. By doing a level 11 fractal without doing any previous fractals you would have a reward level at level 1. That’s the only difference.

Add trait/gear inspect so we don’t have to loot at AP.

vpchelko.4261:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Knowing a dungeon path != knowing the game.

Dungeons is major part of the game knowledge.

No, absolutely untrue.

I am a casual player who has being playing since start (although I did take a break for personal reasons).
I have 11k AP and 8 level 80’s (One of each class) and I do not PvP.
I have done the story path on each dungeon once (except Arah story which I have done 5 times) and I have done two of the other Arah paths.

GW2 is made up of 3 parts – PvE, WvW & PvP. Dungeons are just a portion of PvE and therefore just a minor part of GW2.

I did consider trying some dungeon paths recently but all the LFGs have AP or equipment requirements or want you to pay gold and although I surpass those AP and equipment requirements and have sufficient gold I think that anyone placing such requirements in an LFG isn’t the sort of person I would want to group with.

Shiyo.3578:

Add trait/gear inspect so we don’t have to loot at AP.

Go away. Trait/gear tells you nothing about skill.

vpchelko.4261:

Turamarth.3248:

Yes.

What part of the game you are playing?

I am interested how people can miss the dungeons.

This may be something new for you but the number of players running a dungeon in any given time is a minority compared to players doing something else(PvP, WvW, non-dungeon PvE).

Also, if someone has 5K-10K AP, chances are, only 10-20% of that AP comes from dungeons/fractal tops. AP doesn’t translate directly to dungeon/game proficiency.

Heh, I have almost 23k AP, can soon display Dungeoneer title but I suck at PvP and there are several Dungeon paths I know nothing about.

Obviously I do have knowledge in other areas ankitten ot totally without skill but as have been said many times earlier, AP nor Equipment, really says anything about specific skills…

Last week i had the pleasure explaining blasting fields to a person with 17k ap, an engeneer.

I have 18k ap and if I even went into an explorable dungeon I would not know what to do. I avoid the explorables (I will do story occasionally) for the same reason I avoid PvP, I WANT to play my build my way and 90% of the time is not the meta. No worries though I don’t see me tarnishing the experience of those that want a certain player in their dungeon, I am quite happy just doing my own thing.

Saint.5647:

pdavis.8031:

evanlegion.7680:

Dakinia.8923:

vpchelko.4261:

How it can be. Player with high AP (i,e, high game activity) but don’t know game?
I suspect only 1 thing – these players buy account from account sellers. I do not respect such things.

I expect that player with +5k AP (maybe less) know everything about game.

Noobies with +10k AP very disappointing.

There are still people that judge player ability by AP? There are so many ways to get AP without doing dungeons, pvp, wvw, etc. Always found it amusing back when I used to play (just came back recently) when people looked for a certain AP level to get into a dungeon group.

AP is a bad measurement but its the only one we have

So instead of basing a judgement about how well a player is using a bad measuring device, why not play with them and see how well they do, then judge them?

The “elite” dungeon community often uses AP as a measuring device to restrict certain “unskilled players” from joining their specific speed run groups. (aka. 5k+ AP or kick.) They feel that this is a measure of how long a person has played, and having such an AP score, they can determine if they are going to be a decent player, in that they at least know their class. But as these people are saying, that you can have a huge amount of AP, but not know a dang thing about dungeons, or have a bunch of different alts so that you are not exactly proficient on any single one of them.

I would personally find it rather amusing if the “grandmaster” dungeoneers, the ones who invented the meta, and discovered the processes used to speed clear the dungeons, were kicked from groups and pre-judged because they had a low AP. But thats just me.

That’s some pretty wild misinformation. I’m disappointed considering that I’ve seen you in the dungeon subform a few times so it’s not like you don’t know it exists. You know that that’s not even close to the mentality of the top dungeon runners.

No skilled dungeon runner there even pretends that AP is a measuring device for speed running. Seems to me you already know this but are trying to spread misinformation to the General Discussion sub.

There’s nothing elite about the AP requirement pug groups. They’re just pug groups. They might be better than people who know nothing about dungeons, but not by much. Clearly not by much if they think AP is a reasonable determinant of skill.

They do actually. A lot of those guys play on alt EU/NA account and DO get kicked for having low AP. They get kicked by random crap pugs. Players who can solo Lupi on a Necro faster than a pug can finish it normally can get kicked for playing a Necro.

Just wanted to put this out here because posts like yours are a big part of why there is so much distrust between these gaming communities. I hope that’s not what you were doing but it sure seems like it to me. Let’s not stir the pot up for the sake of controversy.

Sorry. I should clarify. I used “elite” to refer to the psedo top dungeon running crowd, not the actual top dungeon running crowd. Like you said, pugs who are little better than beginners to dungeons. These are the same type of people who can’t look past the meta, rage and kick if one person isn’t running the perfect build or stacks in the correct corner, or uses a 3 skill instead of the proscribed mash 1 tactic.

There is a difference between the 2. I agree though AP isn’t a measure of skill, but such groups who do for what ever reason feel they must exclude certain players because they don’t fit into what they feel is the only way to run dungeons amd if anyone doesn’t meet their standards then they are some sort of sub part player at best.

Just my experience with this matter in defense of some.

A portion of my 20k+ AP friends are older players. They have plenty of free time to play and most don’t play to profit. We’ve discussed things such that they aren’t able to move as fast or their vision isn’t quite as good as once was to follow everything on screen. Stiff joints or arthritis hinders game play making movement more difficult or just aren’t to optimize their builds to meet the meta criteria. Maybe they haven’t gotten a dungeon memorized down to every nook and cranny. They play what works for them.

TheFool.4589:

I’m still trying to figure out how people got to lvl 11 fractals and STILL don’t know what to do.

To be fair, I got a few people in my guild that live in fractals. If I hadn’t asked to know what is going on, they could easily have soloed most low level fractals and happily let me tag along for the rewards. Since I refuse to be a dead weight they were nice enough to tell me WTF was going on, so now I can help them and others.

Just saying, if you go with a good group, they will either ignore you and carry you if possible or just be fine having the challenge to do a fractal with less people. Unless you ask people what is going on, it’s very easy to be lost and dragged along for the ride.

So basically this thread boils down to:

Why is this metric that is not intended to be used as a measure of someone’s skill not living up to my expectations of it being an accurate measure of someone’s skill?

Its really just another attempt to reduce their fellow players to a simple number for their convenience. Why talk to people about what you are going to do together when you can use a meaningless number to screen some of them out?

Shiyo.3578:

Add trait/gear inspect so we don’t have to loot at AP.

Yes, because BUYING something tells you more about a person’s skill than AP does ><

There’s only about 350 AP from dungeons!

I have nearly 17,000 AP but still don’t know all the dungeons. Dungeons are not the centre of every player’s Guild Wars 2 universe

pdavis.8031:

The “elite” dungeon community often uses AP as a measuring device to restrict certain “unskilled players” from joining their specific speed run groups. (aka. 5k+ AP or kick.) They feel that this is a measure of how long a person has played, and having such an AP score, they can determine if they are going to be a decent player, in that they at least know their class. But as these people are saying, that you can have a huge amount of AP, but not know a dang thing about dungeons, or have a bunch of different alts so that you are not exactly proficient on any single one of them.

Trust me, anybody that puts AP requirements in their LFG posts are far from elite.

Wannabes is a good term to use for them.

I’m pretty annoyed actually when the op said “Behave like first time in dungeon” to describe the cluelessness in the game.

Here, I almost got 11k AP and there are 11 explorable dungeons I haven’t done and only lv 2 or 3 fractals idc. And I buy my account officially from the website and I’ve played it since beta.

So in total I have spent 2.8k hours for the past 900 days.

And then, there are these players who are shallow and narrow-minded who act like dungeon is the only “major part of the game knowledge” who will look down upon you if you don’t know what to do (especially if you got “AP +5k”??). I mean surely I can watch youtube and guide before dive in to the instance, but it feels more rewarding when I learn it myself and even better if party member(s) can teach me because that means more interaction in the party.

Well idk about the validity of most tactics are “stand together in a corner and push a button”, but that makes it sounds like really rigid and will not work especially if one or more of your team members is not geared up or below 80 for middle to low lvl dg. Tbh i don’t like to discriminate players based on their level or their gear so you need to try to work things up rather than stacking in the corner.

TL;DR: instead of being a “knowledgeable” dungeon player, try to be a completely knowledgeable player in the game.

Above all, I didn’t mean to stereotype dungeon players, it’s just some player who are really annoying and make the game unenjoyable when it comes to trying out new things, dungeon in my case, luckily there are more players who are more helpful and really have the knowledge to help others out and I am seriously thank you if you are one of them, you guys make the game more playable and keeping it alive. Again, all is just saying. Peace out

I have 14,000 AP, 5 legendaries, 4/10 characters in full ascended gear, rank 977 in WvW, level 33 fractals… And I don’t know every dungeon or fractal. Noobs unite!

17+k AP and only dungeon I’ve done is personal story. I haven’t had the urge to do a dungeon yet.

How do people get 13k points and not do any dungeons fractals ect… I’ve only got 7k and have dungeons masters level 31 fractal done all of s2 living world and a fairk part of. S1

chris.9142:

How do people get 13k points and not do any dungeons fractals ect…

Dungeons and fractals don’t provide many achievement points in the big picture. Most points come from dailies, basic PvE tasks and living story stuff.

This topic annoys me greatly

achievement points mean nothing.. they are nothing but a representation of how much game content you have played
they do not represent player skill nor do they represent how much content you know..

a friend of mine with only 2.5k AP knows 8 dungeon paths and is familiar with the rest of them
me with almost 16k AP know 1 dungeon path and am familiar with about 7 more….
and when it comes to Pvp and WvW I know hardly anything since
I haven’t pvped in over a year and the only time I go to WvW is for map completion and tournament acheivements for weapon skins cause my server always wins gold reward

your achievement points mean nothing and it certainly doesn’t show someones capability as a player
these elitist players demanding some bull standard and judging people based on their equipment, builds and Ap etc are just fools

im glad these people are a minority in Gw2 because I’ve played with many people during my time in the game and it never gets old when someone surprises you out of nowhere
and the hilarity that follows when some self proclaimed expert player gets his party killed and a couple of low AP soo called noobs end up 2 maning or soloing a boss while he keeps crying out die so we can reset is just a brilliant pleasure to witness

as the old saying goes
don’t judge a book by its cover

Tommyknocker.6089:

I have 18k ap and if I even went into an explorable dungeon I would not know what to do. I avoid the explorables (I will do story occasionally) for the same reason I avoid PvP, I WANT to play my build my way and 90% of the time is not the meta. No worries though I don’t see me tarnishing the experience of those that want a certain player in their dungeon, I am quite happy just doing my own thing.

I want to dual wield moots as well, but that just means you don’t join the elitist zerker only groups =D

Even then i swear sometimes i could do more dps with off builds than them

AP is good but do not show player skill. I saw many people with 20+AP who are pure exploiters, using cheap glitches to do puzzles or dungs super fast.
On the other hand I had many dungs with real newbies (not banned boters, exploters on new account) who were under 500AP and could easly get carried throu whole dungeon, while helping experienced player(s).
So i am with people who are sayin that AP is not a good way to judge player skill, i myself hate people who are kicking newbies from dungs, cos how they are suppose to learn how to do certain path without watching experienced team?

vpchelko.4261:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Define, don’t know game

They don’t know their skills, they don’t know small details about the game? Can’t PvP without dying? What?

Behave like first time in dungeon.

I have 18k+ AP and I have no idea what to do in most dungeons (from a speed clear point of view, I did every path but Arah P4), I know CoF P1 and HotW P1 and pretty much just that.
Anything besides dungeons I’m pretty confident that I know what I’m doing with any class.
That mean if we do a dungeon together you’ll think that I bought my account from other?