Guild Wars 2

Hey
im new to the game and i bet ppl have been asking for this many times! so sorry :P

inspecting and dueling is that something they are going to add to gw2? and if not why?

Thanks for answer!

I am assuming that you mean gear inspecting by “inspecting.” That’s something a lot of players have been asking for, and a lot of players are against because it invites toxicity within the community. We already have plenty of “ping gear or kick” dungeon runs and that seems to work perfectly fine for those running those dungeons. I am in the “no” camp on this one.

As for dueling, we don’t have it yet and have no official word on it. I used to be firmly in the “no” camp on this, but would be willing to reconsider my personal stance if there were ways to turn off the dueling option, or only certain well marked areas where dueling even became an option so the rest of PvE could be unbothered by it. I think placing a dueling arena (like a gladitorial theater) in Lion’s Arch wouldn’t be a bad idea. It gives the duelers the option to duel while letting the rest of us be left alone. I am not in favor of open world PvE dueling anywhere, but a labeled arena would be acceptable.

No and no. This is not wow let’s keep it that way.

I hope they never introduce duelling.

Inspecting might become available with the new character API endpoint, which is discussed here
https://github.com/arenanet/api-cdi/pull/16

and in the API subforum.

It has been discussed and the majority is against it.
I’ll go over my personal arguments.

Inspecting: It causes what I call speudo-elitism. I create my own guardian build. It is pretty much standard dps-zerker build. But in PUG’s (pick up groups) I like it to have a lil bit of a healing-punch to it (I’m bout 85 % pure zerker and 15% is put in healing). Just cause some pug’s. need it.
Some people are so concerned with any loss of “efficiency”. that they critise me for not running 100% zerker. Personally I prefer getting through the dungeon once I started, even if the group is meh. the time needed to find a new group is just not worth it.
I’m happy to ping my gear, if it is asked for the right purpose and right reasons. with inspecting you just got get kicked without conversation bout the reasons.

Dueling: In the game that I played that had this, it was often so badly misused that even the option to turn it off was not enough to have some children chase you half way through a map calling you terrible things for just not dueling them. I got nothing against dueling itself, but I know not everyone can handle the option responsable. If there where some clear rules bout and if support had the time and means to make sure the rules are upheld, I wouldn’t have a problem with it. As this is not the case, I’m against it.

Maybe this will help understanding the community’s Dueling attitude.

From a year and a half ago:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Why-not-add-Duel/first

12 pages from a year ago:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/PvE-Dueling/

This one is from a month ago:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/Dueling/

From 3 weeks ago:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Player-dueling-suggestion

From 2 weeks ago:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/So-like-Can-I-have-duel-yet

A summary Dueling thread:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/PSA-Dueling-and-Mounts

mercury ranique.2170:

It has been discussed and the majority is against it.

I’d like to see some numbers to back that up.

Personally I’d like to see both of these as well, open-world dueling moreso then inspecting. Imo having dueling be in some specific area/arena would be far from ideal, since dueling is a great way to kill time while waiting for a world boss to spawn or that sort of thing.

I just read uspen’s post asking about dueling and inspecting (thread located here) and it got me to wondering: what does everyone feel regarding both subjects? I know there’s always going to be the simple statement of ‘this isn’t X game’ but I’d like to see true opinions and reasoning as to why some people feel that way.

My two cents?

Dueling
Dueling has always been a mixed bag for me in other MMO games. I’ve come across many types of duelers, ranging from the random troll who spams duel requests to the friendly player wanting to test their skills. But the question I asked myself after I read uspen’s thread was, “Will it fit with Guild Wars 2?”

Hard question to answer, but if I had to wager one it’d be that yes, it would fit…but only at certain points. Things such as a custom arena in Lion’s Arch/Gendarren Fields would be great fits for this, and maybe even custom rule sets in PvP to allow PvE items and consumables all crossed my mind, but to me, there’s a simple solution.

Create a dueling mini-game. Kind of like how the Dragon Bash arena was created, make a new dueling activity/mini-game that you can set your own rules for before creating the room/creating the instance, allowing party members to participate and spectate. That way, the dueling ‘invites’ are limited to those in your party to prevent some level of spam and trolling. If anyone has any suggestions on that, please share, as it may turn into a full-fledged suggestion thread.

Inspecting
Short answer: no.

Long answer: If you ask me we don’t need inspecting. The combat in Guild Wars 2 is measured off of player skill way more than any stat or item level (heck, I know a guy that runs greens in Silverwastes for kicks and giggles), so inspecting would be pretty much useless in terms of figuring out if you want this guy or that girl in your party/guild. Also, in my opinion it would only further the segregation that already occurs with some players asking for certain achievement point numbers or specific gear stats and, while that’s not a bad thing (to each their own) it paints a picture for those unfamiliar or new to the game.

So, what do you guys think about dueling and inspecting? Good/bad, and why? All the things.

Why didn’t you just post this in the thread you linked to?

RoseofGilead.8907:

Why didn’t you just post this in the thread you linked to?

I didn’t want to hijack uspen’s thread. I also felt that it would fit better as a thread more than a reply to a thread. I linked to his thread so that others may read it if they so chose.

I think it’d be nice to have gear inspecting that only let you see what skins a person was using, but not the quality and stats of the gear. If I see someone with particularly good looking armor, it’s nice to be able to inspect them to see what it is.

MrWubzy.3587:

RoseofGilead.8907:

Why didn’t you just post this in the thread you linked to?

I didn’t want to hijack uspen’s thread. I also felt that it would fit better as a thread more than a reply to a thread. I linked to his thread so that others may read it if they so chose.

both will be morged with another existing duelling thread anyways.

Dueling? YES PLEASE. but make a checkbox in game options to auto decline duel invites, for those people who are worried about a toxic behaviour coming out of this, perhaps make certain areas in the game to duel places.

Inspecting? I have no opinion on it as people can run whatever build they please.

Wanze.8410:

MrWubzy.3587:

RoseofGilead.8907:

Why didn’t you just post this in the thread you linked to?

I didn’t want to hijack uspen’s thread. I also felt that it would fit better as a thread more than a reply to a thread. I linked to his thread so that others may read it if they so chose.

both will be morged with another existing duelling thread anyways.

That would make it difficult to gather opinions, but if ArenaNet feels it should be merged, it’s their forum. Personally I feel that it should remain its own thread so that people can gather opinions here instead of perusing a megathread.

EDIT: Well, it was merged. I suppose I’ll have to look for the opinions some other way.

MrWubzy.3587:

Create a dueling mini-game.

(costume brawl)

For dueling anet will have to balance classes for 1v1 combat so I doubt it will be released anytime soon.
Inspect option would be great time saver. Ability to detect leechers and liars before first boss “trial” would save a lot of time. So it is very unlikely that we will ever see this feature because gw2 is leech friendly.

MrWubzy.3587:

That would make it difficult to gather opinions, but if ArenaNet feels it should be merged, it’s their forum. Personally I feel that it should remain its own thread so that people can gather opinions here instead of perusing a megathread.

EDIT: Well, it was merged. I suppose I’ll have to look for the opinions some other way.

It’s two threads that are going to have the exact and conversation about the exact same thing. Did you really think it wasn’t going to be merged?

I’d like a skin and dye inspect, no need for stats or rarity of gear. More often than not I find myself wondering what dyes and armor pieces is someone using, though there are some pretty obvious looks, some are not that much. And when it comes to dyes it is even harder to guess what was that awesome tint of green or red that guy was using. So I’m all up to aesthetic inspect.

Healix.5819:

MrWubzy.3587:

Create a dueling mini-game.

(costume brawl)

Costume Brawl is a duel in which two players enter a transformed state to fight using predetermined skills. What I was asking about is PvE dueling, in which two players fight using their currently equipped armor, weapons, food effects and whatever else they desire.

aight i see its a really mixed feeling about it! i like what sylly said about having a “dueling place” i agree that dueling everywhere its abit annyoing “not for me” but i can see why someone feel that it is! but ye its mixed feeling about it so all we can do its just wait and see uspen out!

MrWubzy.3587:

What I was asking about is PvE dueling, in which two players fight using their currently equipped armor, weapons, food effects and whatever else they desire.

Back in beta, open world dueling was something they were open to. What we ended up with was casual dueling in the form of costume brawl and actual dueling in the form of custom arenas.

Healix.5819:

MrWubzy.3587:

What I was asking about is PvE dueling, in which two players fight using their currently equipped armor, weapons, food effects and whatever else they desire.

Back in beta, open world dueling was something they were open to. What we ended up with was casual dueling in the form of costume brawl and actual dueling in the form of custom arenas.

Interesting, I’ll give that a look. My hope is that they revisit the idea in the future.

There’s already an arena in Charr city which is like completely desert.
That place is ideal

Wanze.8410:

I hope they never introduce duelling.

Inspecting might become available with the new character API endpoint, which is discussed here
https://github.com/arenanet/api-cdi/pull/16

and in the API subforum.

Hope not, there’s no reason to inspect anyone.

if you want to pvp please go into pvp areas. meetup against another guild or wait till guildvguild is introduced again into the game. pve is pve, and the majority, i am fairly sure, will want to keep it that way.
I do know that some players play both parts of the game, but the general impression is that pve players play pve content only, and the majority of pvp players play pvp only. Therefore it would be a bad idea to bring this into pve areas. you can always try to find some people with a custom arena? ( i think this is what it is for??)

Dueling I never saw a problem with in other games. Just give your character an option to block Duel invites so you don’t get spammed by that one guy who wants to wave around his kitten all day.

As for inspecting it pretty much invites harassment. “Oh why are you using that gear scrub!” Yeah it happens more often than you think.

I would love to have gear/trait check.

Dueling, sure, if I have the option to auto-decline.

Azala Yar.7693:

Wanze.8410:

I hope they never introduce duelling.

Inspecting might become available with the new character API endpoint, which is discussed here
https://github.com/arenanet/api-cdi/pull/16

and in the API subforum.

Hope not, there’s no reason to inspect anyone.

You have ot give other players an API character key you generate, so they can inspect you via an app.

Sweet. No key = Kick from party

Wanze.8410:

Azala Yar.7693:

Wanze.8410:

I hope they never introduce duelling.

Inspecting might become available with the new character API endpoint, which is discussed here
https://github.com/arenanet/api-cdi/pull/16

and in the API subforum.

Hope not, there’s no reason to inspect anyone.

You have ot give other players an API character key you generate, so they can inspect you via an app.

I don’t want an API character key, because players will use it to exclude people from groups like they do in other games.

Well, if I put up a LFG zerker dungeon/fractal meta build and then you come in with your hambow warrior completely disregarding the LFG description, then you should be kicked because you didn’t read the LFG. If I put up a LFG run whatever you want then bring your hambow warrior all day. Both groups have the right to include or exclude who they want to group with, and a gear/trait inspect tool will greatly help both groups by allowing people who want to play together to play together.

fast forward to 14:10 we will find out over time, I hope so!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy7CcwnfUdU&feature=youtu.be&t=13m24s

TheFantasticGman.9451:

Well, if I put up a LFG zerker dungeon/fractal meta build and then you come in with your hambow warrior completely disregarding the LFG description, then you should be kicked because you didn’t read the LFG. If I put up a LFG run whatever you want then bring your hambow warrior all day. Both groups have the right to include or exclude who they want to group with, and a gear/trait inspect tool will greatly help both groups by allowing people who want to play together to play together.

And what you will end up with is the same kind of elitist attitude that you find in WoW. Great way to turn the community into one that mimics WoW.

SyllyReth.2495:

I am assuming that you mean gear inspecting by “inspecting.” That’s something a lot of players have been asking for, and a lot of players are against because it invites toxicity within the community. We already have plenty of “ping gear or kick” dungeon runs and that seems to work perfectly fine for those running those dungeons. I am in the “no” camp on this one.

As for dueling, we don’t have it yet and have no official word on it. I used to be firmly in the “no” camp on this, but would be willing to reconsider my personal stance if there were ways to turn off the dueling option, or only certain well marked areas where dueling even became an option so the rest of PvE could be unbothered by it. I think placing a dueling arena (like a gladitorial theater) in Lion’s Arch wouldn’t be a bad idea. It gives the duelers the option to duel while letting the rest of us be left alone. I am not in favor of open world PvE dueling anywhere, but a labeled arena would be acceptable.

One in LA will be cool, but remember that we alredy have several:

-1 diessa plateu.
-1 in the charrs level 1 -15 area.
- 1 in the Black Citadel,
- One in the norns first area.
- 2 arenas in Gerradan Fields (cant traduce maps names because i have the game in spanish).

Perphaps im missing some.

I’m with Daegony. I feel an aesthetic inspect option would be ideal. No stats, no skills. I, like him, have often wondered what dye or skin another player was using, but more often than not am uncomfortable in deliberately harassing another player simply to ask “Whatcha wearin’? What color is it? Where’d you get it?”. I feel that most players would be annoyed by this, and that feeling, be it correct or not, is what keeps me from any dialogue whatsoever.
For an actual stat/skill inspection- my answer is a resounding No.
Coming from WoW to GW2 it is a huge weight lifted from me knowing that because I can play my character- no matter how I am specced- I (should) have no fear of an instant ban from a group because someone didn’t like a certain piece of gear I was using.
Far too often I have had this happen, for any number of reasons: Changing Specs, New LvlCap, New Idea in Balancing- only to be met with some nasty person who does nothing but right-click my portrait, scans my gear for 2 seconds, and boots me from a group without -ever- saying a word to me. If I was lucky. Oftentimes They would feel the need to snipe at me as they were booting me.
There is no reason whatsoever to degrade Guild Wars 2 to that level of kitten-ness.

As for dueling, in games that allowed it I personally have been chased for 25 minutes and 3 continents because I had an addon that prevented duels. As soon as the duel would be asked for, it was cancelled. Either they thought it was amusing, or were attempting to “punish” me for not being interested. I ultimately had to logoff to get them to stop harassing me. Over the next 8 hours they continued to Spawn Camp me.
I would love to think that this kind of childish behavior is unthinkable from our community… I really truly would. But this is reality. If it can happen once, it can happen again.
My answer to duels is this:
Only if they are in a certain area, like SPvP/WvW are now, and only if in that specific area they are turned on.

Azala Yar.7693:

I don’t want an API character key, because players will use it to exclude people from groups like they do in other games.

The ability to view your character online has a lot of potential. Who should they cater to? If people really wanted to, they could request you to live stream your gear.

By requiring a key, only those who you’ve allowed can see your character. People would of course kick you for not giving it. But the content in GW2 that has those groups is an extreme minority. Dungeons in GW2 were originally revealed as content intended for coordinated groups. The simple solution is to go back to that design by enforcing it. Drop support for dungeons and reveal “guild” dungeons. You’re no longer playing with randoms and you shouldn’t have to hide from your own guild.

I really wouldn’t be surprised if they implemented an API for viewing your character/achievements/etc, allowing players to make a WoW-like armory. Considering the pace of the API development though, I also wouldn’t expect to see it for several years.

For the gear inspect I personally would like to see what the guy that just beat me was wearing in wvw. I do understand that a lot of people have valid reasons to not want it.

PvE dueling yes please. Small arenas or ruins areas would be cool if they where clearly marked and had an auto decline feature. I would love somewhere to test 1v1 builds for wvw.

Azala Yar.7693:

TheFantasticGman.9451:

Well, if I put up a LFG zerker dungeon/fractal meta build and then you come in with your hambow warrior completely disregarding the LFG description, then you should be kicked because you didn’t read the LFG. If I put up a LFG run whatever you want then bring your hambow warrior all day. Both groups have the right to include or exclude who they want to group with, and a gear/trait inspect tool will greatly help both groups by allowing people who want to play together to play together.

And what you will end up with is the same kind of elitist attitude that you find in WoW. Great way to turn the community into one that mimics WoW.

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I have never played WoW. Don’t intend to. I don’t care about this community that you are referring to.

The only people gear inspect threatens are the leechers that get carried. PHIW can group together and play how they want without fear of or using gear inspect. Problem is when Efficients are trying to get through content quickly and PHIW comes into their group when they advertised for another Efficient. PHIW gets kicked. PHIW comes whinig to the forums that elitist jerks kick them for …. drumroll … playing how they want and not reading or flat out refusing to conform to the LFG. So, if you aren’t leeching runs and being carried, then gear inspect really won’t have an effect on you.

I see absolutely no issues with dueling. I think it’s always healthy to gauge your abilities against friends before being tested on a larger scale. It’s also fun. The good thing about dueling is it’s initiated and accepted by invitation only. You can’t just randomly go up to someone and smack them with your mace.

Now, for gear check evaluations like Gear Score. I absolutely despise that system. I remember those toxic days in WoW and I don’t ever want that to come back. However, I don’t mind sanctioned gear inspection. By this I mean, if this feature can be toggled off/on in settings, it would allow for sanctioned gear inspection rather than an kitten Gear Score#. Sometimes I do want to know what FOTM specs or runes/sigils are trending. Sure, you could just chat-link items but who’s to say that item is what’s really equipped and not just in their bag-of-swag. Plus chat-linking is time consuming and spammy. I know most gear and build information can be found on the web but it’d nice to see it in game without being hidden behind skins.

So in conclusion for the TLDR peeps:
-Dueling: Yes plz
-GearScore: NO
-“Sanctioned” Gear Inspection: Yes plz

They can’t add gearscore because there is no gear progression.

A lot of people have been asking for these things since before the game launched. I personally don’t care too much about inspecting, even though it would be nice.
I am very interested in having dueling added to the open world though. There were too many times I was just sitting around waiting for a boss to spawn with nothing to do but tab out.

Fernling.1729:

TheRandomGuy.7246:

They can’t add gearscore because there is no gear progression.

of course there is.. What do you think the blue, yellow, orange and pink font means? Blue, and yellow are largely irrelevant considering the ease of obtaining exotic, but progressing from exotic to ascended is easy task.

I have close to a thousand hours logged and haven’t even finished a complete armor set of ascended.

2 tiers of gear (1 of them is just an overpriced gimmick that offers almost no advatage) is not enough to create any kind of gearscore system.

TheRandomGuy.7246:

Fernling.1729:

TheRandomGuy.7246:

They can’t add gearscore because there is no gear progression.

of course there is.. What do you think the blue, yellow, orange and pink font means? Blue, and yellow are largely irrelevant considering the ease of obtaining exotic, but progressing from exotic to ascended is easy task.

I have close to a thousand hours logged and haven’t even finished a complete armor set of ascended.

2 tiers of gear (1 of them is just an overpriced gimmick that offers almost no advatage) is not enough to create any kind of gearscore system.

I know, I was being pedantic. I didn’t delete my post soon enough.

PvP Queues used to allow you to go to the dueling arenas and play/watch there while you waited – now we just hang around HotM (this is not ideal). Dueling being reintroduced in some way would be nice – I don’t mind how its done be it accessing Custom Arenas in queue again or just available through some open world system.

Inspections are a more difficult thing to add in – it certainly does let you cut out people who are running around in awful gear/trait setups but GW2 atm doesn’t have any real requirements anyway (no boss enrages or encounters in which your gear makes any difference at all), except Fractals level 50 (which you don’t need inspect for anyway cause the first application of Agony will tell you if they have 70 AR).

Tbh I don’t think Anet want to add inspect but I think they could be convinced to add duels (even if just in designated locations).

If Anet really doesn’t plan on adding dungeons to the game with HoT or any updates after, I could see inspecting being fairly useless. At the same time, If they do follow through with some of the suggestions in the raid cdi, inspecting will be more important than ever.

I’d really rather not have gear inspections. Nothing good will come of it.

As for dueling, as long as I’m set to auto-reject all duel challenges by default, I don’t care.

Azala Yar.7693:

And what you will end up with is the same kind of elitist attitude that you find in WoW. Great way to turn the community into one that mimics WoW.

TheFantasticGman.9451:

I have never played WoW. Don’t intend to. I don’t care about this community that you are referring to.

You should care if for no other reason than it’s exactly what we don’t want here.
For you to bury your head in the sand and not know how the other games have gone toxic due to the exact features others are requesting, you’re asking for nothing except to perpetuate the same toxicity here in GW2.
It’s called learning from others mistakes before it’s too late.

edit: wow. I need to learn to spell…

tovadaun.6304:

You should care if for no other reason than it’s exactly what we don’t want here.
For you to bury your head in the sand and not know how the other games have gone toxic due to the exact features others are requesting, you’re asking for nothing except to perpetuate the same toxicity here in GW2.
It’s called learning from others mistakes before it’s too late.

edit: wow. I need to learn to spell…

Again, I don’t care. “Toxicity” your refer to is a personal characteristic of the person playing. They are going to be toxic people no matter if gear inspect is here or not. It’s already built into their personality and will find an outlet no matter what. Having gear inspection will only cause toxicity in someone who isn’t normally predisposed to it if someone is trying to join a group that the group doesn’t want them to join. It really is that simple. The gear inspect only allows people to make sure they play with like minded individuals. And who are you to deny them of that? How high is that horse you ride? Don’t want to have your gear inspected? Don’t join those groups. This doesn’t have to be complicated. Bottomline: gear inspection doesn’t cause elitism or toxicity, the player does that.

Dueling
If done right I see nothing wrong with dueling. Allow filtering like:

1. “Accept all duels”
2. “Friend duels”
3. “Guild mate duels”
etc.

And everyone can be happy and safe in their own little bubble. What I find even more toxic than gear elitists are the ones who would deny other people to have fun with the feature by firmly declaring “No” with very little reasoning behind it.

Inspecting
I think it’s unnecessary since we already have list of all skins available in wardrobe if you want it just for skins. But if should be implemented devs can make a inspect window to show only white skins like in wardrobe and hide the gear stats.

Just so ArenaNet knows one player’s opinion….

No to Open World dueling.

No to Gear inspections.