leveling is painful
I think the op is commenting on the boredom of open world PvE more than actual “leveling grind”. That would be my guess anyway.
And I have to agree. I can’t bring myself to play PvE to level.
I think it really depends on how you approach it. A lot of the hearts are not much fun once you have done them once or twice, so in that case I would simply avoid them. You do not need to get world complete to level to 80. You can do personal story, events, and random WP’s, SP’s, Poi’s and vista while you travel around unlocking access to different areas, and that will nett you sufficient xp.
Also, as I said earlier, if you do not focus on the levelling process, and simply do the stuff you like to do in the areas you currently have access to, you will find the levels go by without you really noticing.
I think part of the problem is people want a max level 80 now, but do not enjoy PvP or WvW, so feel the only option is to grind unenjoyable hearts and clear each zone in order to get to max as quickly as possible. But that’s really not necessary. You will get tomes from the log-ins and you should get lots of xp from PS missions and events. I found leveling pretty fast doing it this way and because I wasn’t focused on leveling as fast as possible it didn’t feel painful.
If you really want to do end game content, do it with an existing level 80, and use the money you make to level the other character’s crafting disciplines. I levelled two of my characters from login tomes alone, while I enjoyed end game content on my other level 80 chars.
If you need a lvl 80 quick, and only want to do it via PvE, then yeah, your a bit restricted (or more accurately your paced more). The problem is, because you can enter WvW and PvP early, you can jump straight in with a group and start earling lots of xp quickly. In PvE you are forced to take a more gradual path. But if you are not in a rush, it is a good pace and better than a lot of other MMO’s out there. It’s just the slowest option of the three at the moment.
Leveling in GW2 is comparatively easy (I hve 10 characters at 80, with all skills unlocked and at least all traits to XII unlocked) in relation with other games (I only have 1 lvl 50 in AA, poorly equiped, and the leveling was tedious at best), BUT leveling in GW2 WAS easier in the past, and I feel sadness for players which have to unlock the traits with the revamped new system.
I just expect that HoT keeps my toons witch ALL the traits and skills I already have unlocked still unlocked because NO WAY I would spent time re-unlocking those again.
This game lvling is boring as in 80% of others MMOs, but at least here you have options.
a) Bored to death – map completition and personal story
b) Fast and bored – EotM zerg auto attack spam fest
c) Poor and bored – 2 hours burning your money in mats to craft your kitten to lvl 80.
d) Bored train – Pretty much like option “b” but in PvE
e) Really frustrated but not bored – Throw your fate in the hands of GW2’s matchmaking gods and get hours and hours of complete one sided matches.
Don’t worry boys, Blade and Soul is coming.
I’ve played a lot of MMOs and gw2 has the worst leveling grind of them all imo.
I have 3 lvl 80s and that last 80 was such a kitten drag I almost gave up on it.
It’s so kitten boring. I would literally pay for instant 80, and I hated that feature in WoW.
Uhm…I have to disagree with you on leveling. It’s far from a grind…ok maybe it’s a “grind” if you only do one thing across all your characters, but that’s on you. This game gives you experience for practically everything, so it’s very easy to change up and get some variety in leveling. I’m presently working on leveling my 14th and 15th character to 80. (I’ll even give ya screenies of my character select screen if you so desire)
Yes, it can be boring, especially if you only play alone. I will agree there. However, as I said originally, that’s partially on you considering there are a multitude of ways to level. You aren’t limited to “just” creature killing or just doing quests or whatever. You can play your 80 through a dungeon and swap your lowbie in at the end for a quick experience burst. You can craft. You can get tomes and experience scrolls from pvp and/or dailies. Simple exploration gives nice chunks of xp. You can go run around eotm or wvw (depending on how you’re server is doing). Lot of options out there to switch it up, including not even having to play the character.
Strangely enough, I find the opposite is true, and this is coming from several other MMOs.
GW2 gives XP for everything, and the big chunks come from reputation quests. If I don’t feel like doing one (because it’s gimmicky or no events are going on) I skip it. I don’t craft, except to get the low-level food and oil/stone/dust for +20% experience. I can go anywhere, do what I want, and get experience. I don’t even have to be in a leve-appropriate zone. That open-ended play is fantastic.
Comparatively, WoW requires I slough through level-appropriate zones (usually a few levels ahead) just to get decent XP rewards. If I’m not surfing an entire level’s worth of rest-XP, each kill and quest is a huge chore. Heirlooms are giving me at least 20-40% of my experience boosts, and it’s still a bore, because I’m funneled into my ‘choice’ of two zones and storyline paths. By the time I finish a chunk of the zone, I’ve passed the boundary of level progression and need to move on.
Alternately, I have to dungeon grind. Which means queues, unless I want to bore myself with tanking or healing. It might be easy, but it’s boring and unrewarding.
FF14 is roughly the same as WoW, except I can do levequests. Fantastic in concept, and I farm Venture tokens like no tomorrow, but there are a total of 4-6 quests in a zone, and repeating them until I level 5 times to open up a class quest or new set of leves is, again, kind of a chore. At least with FF14, I can level once or twice, pick something else to do, and work on that.
Or, again, dungeon-grind.
And WildStar? Pff, killed me before I even made it to dungeons. It kept all the “fun” stuff behind level 15. Which, yeah, I can see how GW2 can get accused, after the NPE. Locking down weapon skills and utilities and traits until later was a terrible decision.
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Here are some tips from me:
If you must do hearts, do the events around them. An event very close to the heart or affects that area the heart is at, makes a heart complete faster.
Killing mobs that haven’t been killed in hours give big bonus exp amounts. This includes a run-of-the-mill deer, moa, or vet oakheart (might need help on that one if low level).
Events, events, events! If there isn’t an event going on, listen to your surroundings! An npc may be trying to get you attention or something in the environment has changed, meaning an event is going on nearby.
Personal story awards a lot of exp! But it may not be soloable anymore as NPE messed that up with no usable traits or a good build until 80. So bring a friend.
I just leveled a engineer, she’s lvl 80 now did fight shadow behemoth and tequatl and ran to cursed shore, 5% Map and 1,5 hours old, l80, ascneded trinkets & back, exotic armor , runed etc.
Slow leveling?
LOL!
When you played this game for over 6 mothns now and haven’t already speed;levelled a character youu should be abnle to level 1 or maybe 2 characters now in ~1 hour. (ToK, click, clickclick and so on… buy trinkets/weapons on TP done, use a BL box to ghet a bl merchant in your starting instance: done!
l80 0% map… Mine even did the l1 instance in l80 gear… though without most of the trinkets, only 2 ascneded rings… love golem banker, and some creative buyiing beforehand.
Been There, Done That & Will do it again…except maybe world completion.
Its so easy to lvl in this game compare to others MMOs,and you get so much XP items from daily’s to that make you lvl your alts just by playing your main ;D
I got my last character to level 80 in half a day without crafting. Granted it was during the x2 exp boost a few months back, but clearly, leveling here is a joke compared to other games.
I’ve played a lot of MMOs and gw2 has the worst leveling grind of them all imo.
I have 3 lvl 80s and that last 80 was such a kitten drag I almost gave up on it.
It’s so kitten boring. I would literally pay for instant 80, and I hated that feature in WoW.
Levelling to 80 is fast in this game.
I have 11x 80s working on another 2.
If anything it’s too fast.
Before mega servers it was even more boring being in an empty zone. Atleast now you’ll have people around to help kill a champ or do an event.
I have leveled 31 chars to lvl 80 and mostly enjoyed it. Must be something wrong with me.
I’ve yet to play a game in which I enjoyed “leveling” — I don’t need to feel a progression from “barely can do anything” to “can leap tall buildings in a single bound.” After the first character maxes, I am ready to insta-max on all remaining characters, which includes unlocking skills, traits, and any other options that apply to combat or movement mechanics.
That said, the process is by far the least-painless in this game compared to anything else I’ve played. Is it boring? yes, for me it is. But far less boring than any other system I’ve seen or even heard described in glowing terms.
(edited by Illconceived Was Na.9781)
Uh….you can easily gain multiple levels a day in this game. Try complaining after playing a game where a single level can take ages to complete.
As someone who has been playing this game for two months, I was so busy exploring and doing things, I barely even noticed the leveling.
Op must have been playing a different game.
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The OP isn’t a troll, because a troll isn’t “someone who disagrees with you” or “someone who has an opinion”.
A troll can be neither of those things, and simply a forum user who posts about a subject that everyone and their grandmother has always posted about, because they know it gets a rise out of other forum users. Those users who reply directly, let’s face it, generally enjoy doing so even though they might claim otherwise.
For me, it’s irritating seeing the same complaints come up time after time. Maybe he’s not a troll, sure. Maybe he’s genuinely a new(ish) player with a gripe. Also, maybe he’s “yet another user who can’t use the search feature” in order to find one of the other 1000 posts on the same topic to post in. And now, I’m past caring.
This is likely one of the easiest, and honestly most fun, MMOs to level in. OP must be doing some Krytan weed or something.
Meanwhile ive leveled 12 characters to 80 in PVE alone!
I agree. Leveling was much better before the so-called “new player experience” patch.
Oh… this thread makes kitty sad
Really makes me miss EQ1 early launch state.
Man, that was some really easy stuff
GW2 is just just sooo haaard.
Leveling in this game becomes awful by the 8th character. I’ve played every storyline after level 30 to death, and I cannot stomach it again, especially since I’ve also played every storyline for the races I like. I’d love to see leveling freshened up in this game.
Restart WvW: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Clean-The-Slate/first#post6208959
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I agree. Leveling was much better before the so-called “new player experience” patch.
I couldn’t agree more.
I’m sooooo lucky that i had finished 7 out of 8 classes before that.
Leveling in this game becomes awful by the 8th character. I’ve played every storyline after level 30 to death, and I cannot stomach it again, especially since I’ve also played every storyline for the races I like. I’d love to see leveling freshened up in this game.
level by personal story mode? hah not me no way. I’ve only completed story once, and that was it! Just not “mmo” for me, may as well just load skyrim or X3. One I leveled in wvw, the other 7 classes doing map completion really fast. Done and done.
Leveling in this game becomes awful by the 8th character. I’ve played every storyline after level 30 to death, and I cannot stomach it again, especially since I’ve also played every storyline for the races I like. I’d love to see leveling freshened up in this game.
I don’t think leveling is designed to keep your attention after you leveled 8 chars.
I remember when leveling was a joyful experience and you where rewarded for your time spend.Now is a boring race to reach level 30 to gain your “FIRST TRAIT” and hope you have enough enthusiasm to have a fully functional toon at level 80.I can’t wait to entertain cows in Queensdale when Hot launches.
I agree with you, but a lot of people will say that is extremely easy to gain EXP and that you are lying or something like that because you can’t say one bad thing about their “perfect” game.
But you have Tomes of Knowledge from daily rewards and from PvP and you can try to craft your character to 80 or at least to lvl 50 then go for areas lvl 50.
Use consumables too.
I’ve played a lot of MMOs and gw2 has the worst leveling grind of them all imo.
I have 3 lvl 80s and that last 80 was such a kitten drag I almost gave up on it.
It’s so kitten boring. I would literally pay for instant 80, and I hated that feature in WoW.
Not sure what gw2 you have been playing lol.
Levelling in this game is easy as hell. I have 16 lvl 80 characters and currently working on 8 more for HoT. Once you level that many characters we will talk
~Sincerely, Scissors
I’ve played a lot of MMOs and gw2 has the worst leveling grind of them all imo.
I have 3 lvl 80s and that last 80 was such a kitten drag I almost gave up on it.
It’s so kitten boring. I would literally pay for instant 80, and I hated that feature in WoW.Not sure what gw2 you have been playing lol.
Levelling in this game is easy as hell. I have 16 lvl 80 characters and currently working on 8 more for HoT. Once you level that many characters we will talk
“i have a kittenton of Tomes of Knowledge, Writs of Experience and gold like mad to spend on crafting.”
“leveling is so easy bruh ,i don’t know what you are talking about xD’
How many is " a lot" to you? Because in over a decade of playing MMORPG’s I have never come across one with a gentler levelling curve and easier levelling system than GW2.
It’s not very boring, either. In a vast majority of MMO’s you are left to grind out your levels on the same mob/quest run/etc. Here there’s a myriad of things to do, all of which give you exp.
GW2’s leveling is easy, casual and fun. I dunno what you’re doing wrong, maybe you’re just endlessly grinding eotm for levels? Because that sure is boring as heck
I never said it was hard to lvl. Just boring.
Then keep it varied, there are plenty of ways to level as I already mentioned earlier.
Map completion, crafting, EotM, PvP, Dungeons, world bosses. Switching between those can keep things interesting, and levelling multiple professions at the same time also helps keeping things fresh. Not to mention having some friends to play with goes a long way.
If all of that fails, you can always just level from just the login rewards (you can get 16 tomes every 28 days). Just do what you want to do on your lvl 80 character while you while your alt slowly levels. Sure it takes a while but at least you didn’t have to do anything for it.
~Sincerely, Scissors
I’ve always found leveling boring after the first round. Now I just see it as an obstacle between me and caring about my gear. If it’s not max level then it’s a waste of time.
I have leveled 31 chars to lvl 80 and mostly enjoyed it. Must be something wrong with me.
I must agree
“…let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we shall die;.”
I have a lot of complaints when it comes to GW2, but leveling isn’t one of them. Honestly, leveling here is so fast and easy compared to other games and there’s so many ways to do it – WvW, map completions, dynamic events, crafting, etc. Then there are Tomes of Knowledge if all else fails. I don’t play any other games where I can just click a scroll all the way to the cap.
You want to know pain? Try leveling a character to 100 in LOTRO. Hurts so bad.
Yea, it’s so hard. My finger always gets so sore from clicking all those Tomes of Knowledge. =P
lol this “HAS TO BE A TROLL THREAD”. I’ve played a lot of mmo’s and GW2 has one of the best leveling systems I’ve ever seen by giving players an opportunity to progress their characters in many ways. In this respect the developers got it right.
Leveling is painful to me too. It is easy to do and there are many ways to go about doing it. However, now that they’ve cursed us with the New Player Experience, leveling is a bit more difficult in the open world (and you don’t start getting your build going until the end of the line) and also more boring (no more difficult champion encounters — I’d prefer some champions in a blue moon to none at all). In addition, I don’t want to spend the time or the gold to acquire traits since the revamp is coming up soon. This deters me from wanting to level an alt at the moment. That’s a lot of mindless crap to grind just to unlock all the traits — and they’re being redone anyways. Why pay tons of gold, or spend tons of time, just to have it all wasted when they undo this aspect of the NPE?
There are still plenty of champions … unless you never left the 1-15 start zone.
The thing that gets me is … how can you hate leveling but like playing a character at max level? There’s so little to do at 80 that cannot also be done while leveling. Unless it’s about having a full build with traits — now, that I can understand.
The thing that gets me is … how can you hate leveling but like playing a character at max level? There’s so little to do at 80 that cannot also be done while leveling. Unless it’s about having a full build with traits — now, that I can understand.
Almost everything you do at 80 you do while leveling, the only difference while leveling you’re dealing with revolving gear, wasted cosmetics, and sub par build. Which is one of the double edges of GW2s, while all content is available it makes leveling redundant.
The thing that gets me is … how can you hate leveling but like playing a character at max level? There’s so little to do at 80 that cannot also be done while leveling. Unless it’s about having a full build with traits — now, that I can understand.
Almost everything you do at 80 you do while leveling, the only difference while leveling you’re dealing with revolving gear, wasted cosmetics, and sub par build. Which is one of the double edges of GW2s, while all content is available it makes leveling redundant.
That’s partially true. But once you have gotten map completion, then a lot of the fun is gone. I’m hoping that HoT fixes that with adventures and the new zones. While I did enjoy getting map completion on 3 characters, I now don’t really touch them as I don’t like dungeons in GW2 and fractals are just boring. I probably would have more fun if I found a talkative guild.
GW2 has probably the best leveling system around. Takes the same time to get to level 3 from level 2 as it does to get to 80 from 79 (if, of course, you’re leveling where you’re supposed to). Not many MMO’s can say that.
I’ve got 5 80’s, 4 of them I leveled, and my 5th I used tomes for about ~30 levels. For the other 4 characters I leveled normally, I enjoyed the first two or three. The rest weren’t so fun (hence the level tomes on the last one), but I think I’ll run into that in other games as well.
I don’t think it’s the leveling itself that is painful, it’s doing the same content over again. Doing the same exploration/events/hearts for each character is a pain in my opinion, but it’s not as bad as other games.
I don’t think it’s the leveling itself that is painful, it’s doing the same content over again. Doing the same exploration/events/hearts for each character is a pain in my opinion, but it’s not as bad as other games.
I think that’s the point. In most other games I’ve tried, you are practically forced to follow the same leveling path/quests, no matter how often you have leveled before. In GW2, you are free to level different characters in different areas or even different game modes, giving a much wider variety of leveling experiences.
I’ve always liked playing different characters, but hardly ever got more than one or two to endgame in any game I played before, because leveling required me to do the same stuff over and over again on each character. In this game, I’m not that restricted, and have actually gotten 13 characters to “endgame” (max-level plus appropriate exotic equipment) already, with more on the way. If I get tired of one area/activity/class I just switch to the next that catches my attention, and my characters get to 80 before I even realize it.
If OP had 2 level 80s and was planning on a third, why didn’t he do some crafting and save all his tomes and writs to do a fast level? With the 10 a month from logging in and the tomes from doing PvP dailies, it doesn’t take long to get enough to level to 80 and bypass regular leveling if you don’t like it.
EOTM is reputed to be great too, especially with the various exp boosters available.
Well the problem there is that Tome realistically only drop from SPvP which most people arent a fan of in this game. (Queue numbers and issues are evidence of this).
Also Writs are again mainly a Fractal drop, which most players, especially levelers arent doing.
levelers are very limited post NPE.
Its easy to tell people to just EoTM chain, but where is the fun there? Why not just not have that grindy boring leveling in the first place?
If OP had 2 level 80s and was planning on a third, why didn’t he do some crafting and save all his tomes and writs to do a fast level? With the 10 a month from logging in and the tomes from doing PvP dailies, it doesn’t take long to get enough to level to 80 and bypass regular leveling if you don’t like it.
EOTM is reputed to be great too, especially with the various exp boosters available.
Well the problem there is that Tome realistically only drop from SPvP which most people arent a fan of in this game. (Queue numbers and issues are evidence of this).
Also Writs are again mainly a Fractal drop, which most players, especially levelers arent doing.
levelers are very limited post NPE.
Its easy to tell people to just EoTM chain, but where is the fun there? Why not just not have that grindy boring leveling in the first place?
Writs aren’t mainly a fractal drop. You get them also from the lumber, mining and harvesting dailies as well as 2 from a boss daily, two from doing the daily events, the mystic forge daily and 2 for getting the 10 daily achievement points.
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Writ_of_Experience
Tomes are 10 every 28 days for logging in. Not as many as for doing PvP true, but still a something that adds up for leveling if you put them away for a future alt to be leveled.
ANet may give it to you.