Guild Wars 2

Gamers are the most entitled social demographic out there.

Then within that you have MMO players

I can understand when you have an MMO with a subscription but the fact that this is B2P..

You are not allowed to like the game and then say that you like the game. I don’t know, I agree the game has been a great ride so far, give the forums a pass to save on stress.

GW2 players don’t whine, people that go on game forums whine. The attitudes of people in-game almost never reflect the things you see on here. This is the vocal minority, and people only ever want to post about something when they’re mad about it. The people who are happy and don’t care are usually just playing the game and keeping their opinions to themselves. :V

There used to be a ton of stuff in GW2 to complain about, but lately, with the new patches and content, there’s absolutely nothing to complain about.

Let’s start with what I complained about before these past few patches. Too few rewards and too crappy of rewards, gap of stats between legendary and exotic weapons, repetitive two-week content, and dungeon rewards.

They fixed all of that in two patches, which I think is pretty awesome. I’ve been having more fun in the past week than I had in an entire month pre-patch. They’ve been doing decently so far, and there are a few things that make me just want to stop playing, but let’s hope that the game turns out to be great instead of good.

I agree. I am sure there are things in-game that not everyone loves. Heck, I’m not a big fan of SAB. Not because I think it’s stupid or doesn’t belong, but just because I suck at it. Lol. Still, you don’t find me complaining all over the forums; some people love it, and I am happy this game has some things each of us can enjoy. I really don’t understand some of the vitriol on the forums, and I feel for the devs; it can’t be easy to try to sift through some of the cesspools and find some constructive feedback. There really is no need to attack those that are providing so much for so little cost. I hope the devs get to read some of the more complimentary posts, and it makes them feel a bit better about continuing to their jobs, and makes them feel appreciated. We all enjoy and need to feel appreciated. Thank you.

It is difficult to keep my head above the relentless waves of despair that are these forums. Actually I failed and drowned beneath them long ago. The game is much better without this steaming pile of forum.

Brienson.7319:

GW2 players don’t whine, people that go on game forums whine. The attitudes of people in-game almost never reflect the things you see on here. This is the vocal minority, and people only ever want to post about something when they’re mad about it. The people who are happy and don’t care are usually just playing the game and keeping their opinions to themselves. :V

i love this game.
i hate this forum . People just whine, whine, whine. For all things.

daragoz.4137:

entire playerbase crys/whines that new tier is to grindy and will take to much time so their going to quit.

I love how they complain it is too grindy and will take too long when I’ve seen people already running around with Ascended weapons. So, uh….about a week is too grindy huh? The complaint threads really make me ashamed to call myself a gamer. We need to have a term that differentiates mature, intelligent, understanding gamers from the entitled, whiny brats that currently make up a large % of us.

You know…the forum’s not that bad. There are a handful of people, six or seven by count, who just love to poke fun at fans of the game and the game itself. If you take what they say personally, you’re probably doing exactly what they want you to do. Me personally, I find them entertaining. That’s why I encourage them.

Because the more they talk, the more obvious it is that they’re just here to stir up trouble and the easier it is for people to ignore them.

But there are also many who post negative posts here that are thought provoking, and genuinely expression concern about the game. Those posters should be encouraged to post and their ideas should be discussed.

This is a good game…which one day could be a great game…but in my opinion it’s got a ways to go before that happens.

It does little good to either take complaints at face value or to simply dismiss them out of hand as the product of some mythical ‘entitled’ socio-group. That is simply a broadly applied ad hominem. A wise person will note the complaining and then evaluate it. Are the complaints justified, do they make sense, are they well and rationally argued. That’s what the best of the forums achieves when people are actually engaging with arguments and not with the personalities.

there’s no smoke without a fire

offence.4726:

Yes this is true on both accounts also a feature like this would really come in handy , I dont understand why so much hate on these forums.

because you likely have no standards and accept any trash that passes by. otherwise you would be able to perceive the egregious marketing that went on before gw2. these 100 actually have decent standards.

Galtrix.7369:

There used to be a ton of stuff in GW2 to complain about, but lately, with the new patches and content, there’s absolutely nothing to complain about.

Let’s start with what I complained about before these past few patches. Too few rewards and too crappy of rewards, gap of stats between legendary and exotic weapons, repetitive two-week content, and dungeon rewards.

They fixed all of that in two patches, which I think is pretty awesome. I’ve been having more fun in the past week than I had in an entire month pre-patch. They’ve been doing decently so far, and there are a few things that make me just want to stop playing, but let’s hope that the game turns out to be great instead of good.

I would just like to point out that there was no stat gap between exotic and legendary since legendary mimics the highest tier of gear for stats. Once ascended items were introduced it created a gap of stats between legendary and exotic when there was not one before. It’s a simple and largely pointless carrot that serves no other purpose than time filler for someone who does not understand the theory behind horizontal progression.

wolfie.7296:

offence.4726:

Yes this is true on both accounts also a feature like this would really come in handy , I dont understand why so much hate on these forums.

because you likely have no standards and accept any trash that passes by. these 100 actually have decent standards.

Well done for proving a point Wolfie

Forum pvp is the best pvp in GW2. That’s all I will say about it, cause if I say it’s a children’s game some people might get upset again and I wouldn’t want that to happen.

Most people come to forum to complain/troll, whine is to be expected.

I love this game and use ANY spare time to play it.

That being said, if the developers come out with something that players don’t like, what better way is there to let them know than the forums? If we, as players, feel we should just go along with whatever they throw at us, Anet will not know if a LARGE percentage of the player base is unhappy and maybe contemplating leaving. Sure, most will not, and I would imagine that MOST of the time, it’s a very small percentage indeed that actually are that upset about changes.

I have made a few complaints myself, as I feel that… if I say nothing, maybe they will come out with more of the stuff I don’t like, which will eventually drive me away. Rest assured that Anet knows what to take seriously and what not to. I.E. many players (like myself) detest crafting for various reasons (or maybe you hate JPs or whatever). So yes, I complain about how boring it is. Anet will not change that because the majority of players like or don’t mind it or maybe the TP stuff is integral to the game. And on it goes. But if the MAJORITY of players come on here and say “wait, now I MUST craft to get the best weapons??!! OK, I’ve had it, this is too much”… well, maybe Anet will realize they’ve made an error in their assessment of the player base and maybe they will change it.

You don’t have to read all the complaint threads. They’re very apparent usually from the titles. But Anet SHOULD read them all and make assessments about game play and content accordingly.

Just because you like the game doesn’t mean you like all aspects of the game. the forums are a public place for people to discuss the parts of the game they like or dislike, and come together with others that share that opinion. since we are all here we clearly like the game on some level. but to think that everyone who posts negatively, hates the game seems as silly as thinking anyone who posts positively thinks the game is absolutely perfect.

Lokki.1092:

Just because you like the game doesn’t mean you like all aspects of the game. the forums are a public place for people to discuss the parts of the game they like or dislike, and come together with others that share that opinion. since we are all here we clearly like the game on some level. but to think that everyone who posts negatively, hates the game seems as silly as thinking anyone who posts positively thinks the game is absolutely perfect.

I think it has to do more with the lack of constructive criticism. So the forums are full of filth that is fully of complaints with no basis, direction or solution. And I think those posts deserve to be scrutinized(which I do often)

What lack of constructive criticism? There has been PLENTY of remarks on how to improve the ascended mess already, some dating back from November last year.

Nothing was listened too, all we got was worse and worse implementations. First the Laurel daily gating for necklace, then the stupid idea of locking the earrings behind zerg guild missions, with an “alternate” scam of paying a huge amount of ectos and laurels for them.

And now, as if the complaints about that ecto price for non zerg guild access for earrings was nothing, let’s put the weapons behind a 250g markup price in our savings for the first weapon. All that without ever fixing the stupid idea that 2H weapon costs the same to craft than a single 1H weapon (in the most expensive mats)

Don’t make the mistake that it’s always the same people complaining.

A month after launch, when there were people complaining that they’d done everything, maxed their stats, and there was no “endgame”, I was happily playing.

Six months ago when Ascended was announced, I was wary but hopeful.

Now, with Ascended in full swing, I am complaining.

Yes, there is always complaining, because we all like different things. The game has shifted from appealing to one sort of audience to appealing to another. Whether that is good or bad all depends to which audience you belong the most.

I love a great deal of the game. That is why I’m still here making sure ANet knows that I dislike Ascended gear, and am willing to put my money where my mouth is. If I thought the game sucked, I’d be playing something else.

stof.9341:

What lack of constructive criticism? There has been PLENTY of remarks on how to improve the ascended mess already, some dating back from November last year.

Nothing was listened too, all we got was worse and worse implementations. First the Laurel daily gating for necklace, then the stupid idea of locking the earrings behind zerg guild missions, with an “alternate” scam of paying a huge amount of ectos and laurels for them.

And now, as if the complaints about that ecto price for non zerg guild access for earrings was nothing, let’s put the weapons behind a 250g markup price in our savings for the first weapon. All that without ever fixing the stupid idea that 2H weapon costs the same to craft than a single 1H weapon (in the most expensive mats)

And those constructive points ended up devolving into huge whine fests and massive exaggerations like the one you are using. Scam for using ectos? Colin said back then that it was an incentive for people to guild up. If you didn’t want to, then fine, you would have to pay a premium.

Furthermore, I could make up a ridiculous suggestion in a very constructive manner. Just cause you present it in a professional way doesn’t mean Anet needs to listen to you.

I’m glad that Anet didn’t listen about the ascended complaints because the complaints were from a vocal minority (and mainly from casuals)

Vol.5241:

stof.9341:

What lack of constructive criticism? There has been PLENTY of remarks on how to improve the ascended mess already, some dating back from November last year.

Nothing was listened too, all we got was worse and worse implementations. First the Laurel daily gating for necklace, then the stupid idea of locking the earrings behind zerg guild missions, with an “alternate” scam of paying a huge amount of ectos and laurels for them.

And now, as if the complaints about that ecto price for non zerg guild access for earrings was nothing, let’s put the weapons behind a 250g markup price in our savings for the first weapon. All that without ever fixing the stupid idea that 2H weapon costs the same to craft than a single 1H weapon (in the most expensive mats)

And those constructive points ended up devolving into huge whine fests and massive exaggerations like the one you are using. Scam for using ectos? Colin said back then that it was an incentive for people to guild up. If you didn’t want to, then fine, you would have to pay a premium.

Furthermore, I could make up a ridiculous suggestion in a very constructive manner. Just cause you present it in a professional way doesn’t mean Anet needs to listen to you.

I’m glad that Anet didn’t listen about the ascended complaints because the complaints were from a vocal minority (and mainly from casuals)

So what is a “casual” player to you? I can make an assumption through context that you mean it in a disparaging way as someone who does not value the things you do. I would prefer to not make an assumption and hear what your definition is so I can understand the basis of your argument. The problem with using terms like “casual” and “hardcore” is that they are subjective in nature. This makes those terms nearly worthless in determining whether or not a complaint is logical, since they both tend to be used in a biased manner on either side of the fence.

I love the whining about whining threads, LOL.

Mr Whipple says…..“Please don’t squeeze the Charmin”.

ShadowPuppet.3746:

Vol.5241:

stof.9341:

What lack of constructive criticism? There has been PLENTY of remarks on how to improve the ascended mess already, some dating back from November last year.

Nothing was listened too, all we got was worse and worse implementations. First the Laurel daily gating for necklace, then the stupid idea of locking the earrings behind zerg guild missions, with an “alternate” scam of paying a huge amount of ectos and laurels for them.

And now, as if the complaints about that ecto price for non zerg guild access for earrings was nothing, let’s put the weapons behind a 250g markup price in our savings for the first weapon. All that without ever fixing the stupid idea that 2H weapon costs the same to craft than a single 1H weapon (in the most expensive mats)

And those constructive points ended up devolving into huge whine fests and massive exaggerations like the one you are using. Scam for using ectos? Colin said back then that it was an incentive for people to guild up. If you didn’t want to, then fine, you would have to pay a premium.

Furthermore, I could make up a ridiculous suggestion in a very constructive manner. Just cause you present it in a professional way doesn’t mean Anet needs to listen to you.

I’m glad that Anet didn’t listen about the ascended complaints because the complaints were from a vocal minority (and mainly from casuals)

So what is a “casual” player to you? I can make an assumption through context that you mean it in a disparaging way as someone who does not value the things you do. I would prefer to not make an assumption and hear what your definition is so I can understand the basis of your argument. The problem with using terms like “casual” and “hardcore” is that they are subjective in nature. This makes those terms nearly worthless in determining whether or not a complaint is logical, since they both tend to be used in a biased manner on either side of the fence.

My view of casual player boils down to playtime – someone who does not plan on playing the game for hours upon hours. Probably no more than an hour a day, and no more than 3 hours a week.

Vol.5241:

ShadowPuppet.3746:

Vol.5241:

stof.9341:

What lack of constructive criticism? There has been PLENTY of remarks on how to improve the ascended mess already, some dating back from November last year.

Nothing was listened too, all we got was worse and worse implementations. First the Laurel daily gating for necklace, then the stupid idea of locking the earrings behind zerg guild missions, with an “alternate” scam of paying a huge amount of ectos and laurels for them.

And now, as if the complaints about that ecto price for non zerg guild access for earrings was nothing, let’s put the weapons behind a 250g markup price in our savings for the first weapon. All that without ever fixing the stupid idea that 2H weapon costs the same to craft than a single 1H weapon (in the most expensive mats)

And those constructive points ended up devolving into huge whine fests and massive exaggerations like the one you are using. Scam for using ectos? Colin said back then that it was an incentive for people to guild up. If you didn’t want to, then fine, you would have to pay a premium.

Furthermore, I could make up a ridiculous suggestion in a very constructive manner. Just cause you present it in a professional way doesn’t mean Anet needs to listen to you.

I’m glad that Anet didn’t listen about the ascended complaints because the complaints were from a vocal minority (and mainly from casuals)

So what is a “casual” player to you? I can make an assumption through context that you mean it in a disparaging way as someone who does not value the things you do. I would prefer to not make an assumption and hear what your definition is so I can understand the basis of your argument. The problem with using terms like “casual” and “hardcore” is that they are subjective in nature. This makes those terms nearly worthless in determining whether or not a complaint is logical, since they both tend to be used in a biased manner on either side of the fence.

My view of casual player boils down to playtime – someone who does not plan on playing the game for hours upon hours. Probably no more than an hour a day, and no more than 3 hours a week.

So players who have more time but not necessarily more “skill” should be given a statistical advantage?

ShadowPuppet.3746:

Vol.5241:

ShadowPuppet.3746:

Vol.5241:

stof.9341:

What lack of constructive criticism? There has been PLENTY of remarks on how to improve the ascended mess already, some dating back from November last year.

Nothing was listened too, all we got was worse and worse implementations. First the Laurel daily gating for necklace, then the stupid idea of locking the earrings behind zerg guild missions, with an “alternate” scam of paying a huge amount of ectos and laurels for them.

And now, as if the complaints about that ecto price for non zerg guild access for earrings was nothing, let’s put the weapons behind a 250g markup price in our savings for the first weapon. All that without ever fixing the stupid idea that 2H weapon costs the same to craft than a single 1H weapon (in the most expensive mats)

And those constructive points ended up devolving into huge whine fests and massive exaggerations like the one you are using. Scam for using ectos? Colin said back then that it was an incentive for people to guild up. If you didn’t want to, then fine, you would have to pay a premium.

Furthermore, I could make up a ridiculous suggestion in a very constructive manner. Just cause you present it in a professional way doesn’t mean Anet needs to listen to you.

I’m glad that Anet didn’t listen about the ascended complaints because the complaints were from a vocal minority (and mainly from casuals)

So what is a “casual” player to you? I can make an assumption through context that you mean it in a disparaging way as someone who does not value the things you do. I would prefer to not make an assumption and hear what your definition is so I can understand the basis of your argument. The problem with using terms like “casual” and “hardcore” is that they are subjective in nature. This makes those terms nearly worthless in determining whether or not a complaint is logical, since they both tend to be used in a biased manner on either side of the fence.

My view of casual player boils down to playtime – someone who does not plan on playing the game for hours upon hours. Probably no more than an hour a day, and no more than 3 hours a week.

So players who have more time but not necessarily more “skill” should be given a statistical advantage?

Why not? It’s the nature of MMOs. You invest more time in a game, you will get more rewards.

Skill in MMOs is pretty much non-existent. The closest thing to skill when it comes to games is fast reaction time and APM, and that’s not important in MMOs.

Probably whining because of all the false promises that we were told pre-release that have either never made it into the game or some things, like gear treadmill, grind (& oh my kittening god this game is the worst), or try some pvp, you`ll see the majority of these “whines” are actually valid.
Or how about the PvErs get to loot all the loots whilst the WvWers (who by the way earn the PvErs more hp/mf etc) get shafted & have to buy the PvErs mats from the TP, which they can barely afford.

Vol.5241:

ShadowPuppet.3746:

Vol.5241:

ShadowPuppet.3746:

Vol.5241:

stof.9341:

What lack of constructive criticism? There has been PLENTY of remarks on how to improve the ascended mess already, some dating back from November last year.

Nothing was listened too, all we got was worse and worse implementations. First the Laurel daily gating for necklace, then the stupid idea of locking the earrings behind zerg guild missions, with an “alternate” scam of paying a huge amount of ectos and laurels for them.

And now, as if the complaints about that ecto price for non zerg guild access for earrings was nothing, let’s put the weapons behind a 250g markup price in our savings for the first weapon. All that without ever fixing the stupid idea that 2H weapon costs the same to craft than a single 1H weapon (in the most expensive mats)

And those constructive points ended up devolving into huge whine fests and massive exaggerations like the one you are using. Scam for using ectos? Colin said back then that it was an incentive for people to guild up. If you didn’t want to, then fine, you would have to pay a premium.

Furthermore, I could make up a ridiculous suggestion in a very constructive manner. Just cause you present it in a professional way doesn’t mean Anet needs to listen to you.

I’m glad that Anet didn’t listen about the ascended complaints because the complaints were from a vocal minority (and mainly from casuals)

So what is a “casual” player to you? I can make an assumption through context that you mean it in a disparaging way as someone who does not value the things you do. I would prefer to not make an assumption and hear what your definition is so I can understand the basis of your argument. The problem with using terms like “casual” and “hardcore” is that they are subjective in nature. This makes those terms nearly worthless in determining whether or not a complaint is logical, since they both tend to be used in a biased manner on either side of the fence.

My view of casual player boils down to playtime – someone who does not plan on playing the game for hours upon hours. Probably no more than an hour a day, and no more than 3 hours a week.

So players who have more time but not necessarily more “skill” should be given a statistical advantage?

Why not? It’s the nature of MMOs. You invest more time in a game, you will get more rewards.

Skill in MMOs is pretty much non-existent. The closest thing to skill when it comes to games is fast reaction time and APM, and that’s not important in MMOs.

Well “skill” for mmorpgs comes in different forms, between knowing strategies to the most effective builds to knowing how to play said build in traditional mmorpgs. But by your definition dodging and using active defenses when appropriate are not important to success in GW2? If I am not mistaken this is what has led to all the proclamations of berserker gear being the only “viable” set in pve since if you miss a dodge or some other active mitigation you will often be one shot regardless of gear. So someone can show “skill” versus let’s say simply auto attacking in a zerg as an example. Now what about the WvW players, who can only play for a few hours a week but are highly “skilled” at beating their opponents, it’s still ok for the people with time to have a statistical advantage?

Vol.5241:

stof.9341:

What lack of constructive criticism? There has been PLENTY of remarks on how to improve the ascended mess already, some dating back from November last year.

Nothing was listened too, all we got was worse and worse implementations. First the Laurel daily gating for necklace, then the stupid idea of locking the earrings behind zerg guild missions, with an “alternate” scam of paying a huge amount of ectos and laurels for them.

And now, as if the complaints about that ecto price for non zerg guild access for earrings was nothing, let’s put the weapons behind a 250g markup price in our savings for the first weapon. All that without ever fixing the stupid idea that 2H weapon costs the same to craft than a single 1H weapon (in the most expensive mats)

And those constructive points ended up devolving into huge whine fests and massive exaggerations like the one you are using. Scam for using ectos? Colin said back then that it was an incentive for people to guild up. If you didn’t want to, then fine, you would have to pay a premium.

Furthermore, I could make up a ridiculous suggestion in a very constructive manner. Just cause you present it in a professional way doesn’t mean Anet needs to listen to you.

I’m glad that Anet didn’t listen about the ascended complaints because the complaints were from a vocal minority (and mainly from casuals)

I think most of the threads had good and bad posts. It’s hard to stay positive when your upset / disappointed. There’s parts of you that wants to discuss things like an adult and parts of you that wants to kick something. Add to that people trolling and attempting to make people lose their cool.

I also think that there are some people who just can’t empathize with others. Suppose, for example, I had well over 1000 gold and could pretty much buy whatever I wanted. Under those circumstances, I may not mind ascended gear either.

Yet another thread where someone complains about complaints..

/sigh

wolfie.7296:

offence.4726:

Yes this is true on both accounts also a feature like this would really come in handy , I dont understand why so much hate on these forums.

because you likely have no standards and accept any trash that passes by. otherwise you would be able to perceive the egregious marketing that went on before gw2. these 100 actually have decent standards.

So having standards these days means to cry and moan for everything that isn’t free or served on a silver platter , geez that’s some huge news you changed everyone’s life in here. /sarcasm 1/10 for the attempt.

ShadowPuppet.3746:

Vol.5241:

ShadowPuppet.3746:

Vol.5241:

ShadowPuppet.3746:

Vol.5241:

stof.9341:

What lack of constructive criticism? There has been PLENTY of remarks on how to improve the ascended mess already, some dating back from November last year.

Nothing was listened too, all we got was worse and worse implementations. First the Laurel daily gating for necklace, then the stupid idea of locking the earrings behind zerg guild missions, with an “alternate” scam of paying a huge amount of ectos and laurels for them.

And now, as if the complaints about that ecto price for non zerg guild access for earrings was nothing, let’s put the weapons behind a 250g markup price in our savings for the first weapon. All that without ever fixing the stupid idea that 2H weapon costs the same to craft than a single 1H weapon (in the most expensive mats)

And those constructive points ended up devolving into huge whine fests and massive exaggerations like the one you are using. Scam for using ectos? Colin said back then that it was an incentive for people to guild up. If you didn’t want to, then fine, you would have to pay a premium.

Furthermore, I could make up a ridiculous suggestion in a very constructive manner. Just cause you present it in a professional way doesn’t mean Anet needs to listen to you.

I’m glad that Anet didn’t listen about the ascended complaints because the complaints were from a vocal minority (and mainly from casuals)

So what is a “casual” player to you? I can make an assumption through context that you mean it in a disparaging way as someone who does not value the things you do. I would prefer to not make an assumption and hear what your definition is so I can understand the basis of your argument. The problem with using terms like “casual” and “hardcore” is that they are subjective in nature. This makes those terms nearly worthless in determining whether or not a complaint is logical, since they both tend to be used in a biased manner on either side of the fence.

My view of casual player boils down to playtime – someone who does not plan on playing the game for hours upon hours. Probably no more than an hour a day, and no more than 3 hours a week.

So players who have more time but not necessarily more “skill” should be given a statistical advantage?

Why not? It’s the nature of MMOs. You invest more time in a game, you will get more rewards.

Skill in MMOs is pretty much non-existent. The closest thing to skill when it comes to games is fast reaction time and APM, and that’s not important in MMOs.

Well “skill” for mmorpgs comes in different forms, between knowing strategies to the most effective builds to knowing how to play said build in traditional mmorpgs. But by your definition dodging and using active defenses when appropriate are not important to success in GW2? If I am not mistaken this is what has led to all the proclamations of berserker gear being the only “viable” set in pve since if you miss a dodge or some other active mitigation you will often be one shot regardless of gear. So someone can show “skill” versus let’s say simply auto attacking in a zerg as an example. Now what about the WvW players, who can only play for a few hours a week but are highly “skilled” at beating their opponents, it’s still ok for the people with time to have a statistical advantage?

I should preface that I expect the average GW2 user to have average reaction times. They know when to dodge in CoE for example, or dodge on Lupi’s telegraphs. So I really don’t equate that with skill.

WvW is not largely about gear, so minor statistical advantages are irrelevant. I bet ascended weapons will not make any noticeable difference. More often than not WvW is about coordination and numbers, and that’s not a really high skill set.

Coordination is merely going on voice coms and working together with a goal. You don’t need skill there. Numbers are self-explanatory.

Now, skill is different than strategy, and strategy sure is important in WvW. Strategy IMO sets apart the elite guilds and the average guilds. Knowing when to push, how to push, what skills to use, e.t.c.

And even if you were to consider that skill – who exactly has it? Does everyone who is running with the commander have it? Or is it just the commander?

I think I am going to take my own advice and leave the forums to those who enjoy it.

Yargesh.4965:

I think I am going to take my own advice and leave the forums to those who enjoy it.

Sorry to see you go, but I understand your decision. It’s not easy out here. lol

Threads like this are a fire risk, so many straw men.

oh and OT OP I gotta Team Speak

People whine because Anet gives them things nobody asked for instead of what they want. How long have people been asking for a LFG in game? Revamped dungeons and Champs? Hell, even the loot was terrible for months. People wanted fun, interesting end game, what they got was a grind for Ascended gear. Pretty sad, I can understand where most of the whine comes from.

Kaizer.7135:

People whine because Anet gives them things nobody asked for instead of what they want. How long have people been asking for a LFG in game? Revamped dungeons and Champs? Hell, even the loot was terrible for months. People wanted fun, interesting end game, what they got was a grind for Ascended gear. Pretty sad, I can understand where most of the whine comes from.

I’m pretty sure that people asked for a lot of the stuff Anet has given us. For every person who said we want an LFG tool, someone in that thread said, no worries just use gw2lfg.com, it’s no problem. For every person who said we want revamped dungeons and champs, someone was complaining dungeons were too hard and there wasn’t enough stuff in the open world.

What you’re really saying is they didn’t do what you wanted. They’ve certainly addressed a lot of the people complaining about loot issues. The LFG tool is coming in less than 2 weeks. They’re addressing concerns. They just didn’t drop everything and address them all at once.

forums are….at it’s core…a place to get feedback to the Dev’s about something you don’t like….

thus, this forum is a place for whiners….anyone who doesn’t have anything to whine about is already in the game playing it

the only reason i usually come to these forums every day is

1)Read front page of Gen Discussion whiners
2)Read front page of Living Story whiners
3)Ask a question i need answers to
4)Go to my class’ forums

I agree with the fact that most of players’ attitudes inside the game differ greatly from those in these forums. Which I’m grateful for.

This thread does not provide any sort of constructive discussion.

Jordo.5913:

forums are….at it’s core…a place to get feedback to the Dev’s about something you don’t like….

thus, this forum is a place for whiners….anyone who doesn’t have anything to whine about is already in the game playing it

the only reason i usually come to these forums every day is

1)Read front page of Gen Discussion whiners
2)Read front page of Living Story whiners
3)Ask a question i need answers to
4)Go to my class’ forums

I would hope the forums are also a place to give the Devs feedback about what we do like, as well. Otherwise, how will they know what to make more of, or refrain from removing from the game. =)

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Jordo.5913:

forums are….at it’s core…a place to get feedback to the Dev’s about something you don’t like….

thus, this forum is a place for whiners….anyone who doesn’t have anything to whine about is already in the game playing it

the only reason i usually come to these forums every day is

1)Read front page of Gen Discussion whiners
2)Read front page of Living Story whiners
3)Ask a question i need answers to
4)Go to my class’ forums

I would hope the forums are also a place to give the Devs feedback about what we do like, as well. Otherwise, how will they know what to make more of, or refrain from removing from the game. =)

Forum is wrong place to give the Devs feedback, because the people having fun ( majority ) are playing.

Minority are complaining in forum !

Vayne.8563:

Kaizer.7135:

People whine because Anet gives them things nobody asked for instead of what they want. How long have people been asking for a LFG in game? Revamped dungeons and Champs? Hell, even the loot was terrible for months. People wanted fun, interesting end game, what they got was a grind for Ascended gear. Pretty sad, I can understand where most of the whine comes from.

I’m pretty sure that people asked for a lot of the stuff Anet has given us. For every person who said we want an LFG tool, someone in that thread said, no worries just use gw2lfg.com, it’s no problem. For every person who said we want revamped dungeons and champs, someone was complaining dungeons were too hard and there wasn’t enough stuff in the open world.

What you’re really saying is they didn’t do what you wanted. They’ve certainly addressed a lot of the people complaining about loot issues. The LFG tool is coming in less than 2 weeks. They’re addressing concerns. They just didn’t drop everything and address them all at once.

I don’t give 2 kittens if they don’t add a LFG function or Revamped dungeons/bosses. I don’t PvE unless I need gear for WvW or lvl alt’s. Also, people don’t want to use a third party program for something that should be in game. I thought that was obvious.

Kaizer.7135:

Vayne.8563:

Kaizer.7135:

People whine because Anet gives them things nobody asked for instead of what they want. How long have people been asking for a LFG in game? Revamped dungeons and Champs? Hell, even the loot was terrible for months. People wanted fun, interesting end game, what they got was a grind for Ascended gear. Pretty sad, I can understand where most of the whine comes from.

I’m pretty sure that people asked for a lot of the stuff Anet has given us. For every person who said we want an LFG tool, someone in that thread said, no worries just use gw2lfg.com, it’s no problem. For every person who said we want revamped dungeons and champs, someone was complaining dungeons were too hard and there wasn’t enough stuff in the open world.

What you’re really saying is they didn’t do what you wanted. They’ve certainly addressed a lot of the people complaining about loot issues. The LFG tool is coming in less than 2 weeks. They’re addressing concerns. They just didn’t drop everything and address them all at once.

I don’t give 2 kittens if they don’t add a LFG function or Revamped dungeons/bosses. I don’t PvE unless I need gear for WvW or lvl alt’s. Also, people don’t want to use a third party program for something that should be in game. I thought that was obvious.

It’s obvious to me that some people don’t want to use a third party program and some people are fine with it. That’s because I know people who don’t like it and people who like it. It’s formed millions of groups, someone is using it.

Many games, in fact, most AAA games have lauched with an LFG tool. I have no idea why this is but it’s true. SWToR launched without one, Rift lauched without one….no idea why.

But since it’s coming out in a week or so…it’s hardly something to argue about now.

What really gets me is the people who don’t even play GW2 anymore that try to come on these forums and start negativity on any new content that Anet announces.

Vayne.8563:

Kaizer.7135:

Vayne.8563:

Kaizer.7135:

People whine because Anet gives them things nobody asked for instead of what they want. How long have people been asking for a LFG in game? Revamped dungeons and Champs? Hell, even the loot was terrible for months. People wanted fun, interesting end game, what they got was a grind for Ascended gear. Pretty sad, I can understand where most of the whine comes from.

I’m pretty sure that people asked for a lot of the stuff Anet has given us. For every person who said we want an LFG tool, someone in that thread said, no worries just use gw2lfg.com, it’s no problem. For every person who said we want revamped dungeons and champs, someone was complaining dungeons were too hard and there wasn’t enough stuff in the open world.

What you’re really saying is they didn’t do what you wanted. They’ve certainly addressed a lot of the people complaining about loot issues. The LFG tool is coming in less than 2 weeks. They’re addressing concerns. They just didn’t drop everything and address them all at once.

I don’t give 2 kittens if they don’t add a LFG function or Revamped dungeons/bosses. I don’t PvE unless I need gear for WvW or lvl alt’s. Also, people don’t want to use a third party program for something that should be in game. I thought that was obvious.

It’s obvious to me that some people don’t want to use a third party program and some people are fine with it. That’s because I know people who don’t like it and people who like it. It’s formed millions of groups, someone is using it.

Many games, in fact, most AAA games have lauched with an LFG tool. I have no idea why this is but it’s true. SWToR launched without one, Rift lauched without one….no idea why.

But since it’s coming out in a week or so…it’s hardly something to argue about now.

And they’ve already solved the loot problems, yet I still listed it in my previous comment. I don’t think you get it.

Kaizer.7135:

Vayne.8563:

Kaizer.7135:

Vayne.8563:

Kaizer.7135:

People whine because Anet gives them things nobody asked for instead of what they want. How long have people been asking for a LFG in game? Revamped dungeons and Champs? Hell, even the loot was terrible for months. People wanted fun, interesting end game, what they got was a grind for Ascended gear. Pretty sad, I can understand where most of the whine comes from.

I’m pretty sure that people asked for a lot of the stuff Anet has given us. For every person who said we want an LFG tool, someone in that thread said, no worries just use gw2lfg.com, it’s no problem. For every person who said we want revamped dungeons and champs, someone was complaining dungeons were too hard and there wasn’t enough stuff in the open world.

What you’re really saying is they didn’t do what you wanted. They’ve certainly addressed a lot of the people complaining about loot issues. The LFG tool is coming in less than 2 weeks. They’re addressing concerns. They just didn’t drop everything and address them all at once.

I don’t give 2 kittens if they don’t add a LFG function or Revamped dungeons/bosses. I don’t PvE unless I need gear for WvW or lvl alt’s. Also, people don’t want to use a third party program for something that should be in game. I thought that was obvious.

It’s obvious to me that some people don’t want to use a third party program and some people are fine with it. That’s because I know people who don’t like it and people who like it. It’s formed millions of groups, someone is using it.

Many games, in fact, most AAA games have lauched with an LFG tool. I have no idea why this is but it’s true. SWToR launched without one, Rift lauched without one….no idea why.

But since it’s coming out in a week or so…it’s hardly something to argue about now.

And they’ve already solved the loot problems, yet I still listed it in my previous comment. I don’t think you get it.

I get it. I don’t think you do. Shrugs.

I suppose that’s why we disagree. lol