Guild Wars 2

when is ncsoft going to add housing to guild wars 2?

I would ask arenanet. NCsoft added housing to Aion.

I doubt it will happen. They haven’t even added guild halls yet.

Clay, what part of building do you not get. They said they would be adding Guild Halls and player housing in a quote by Martin Kerstein. He didn’t say it would be soon. Rift added player housing after the game was more than a year old. Aion added player housing after the game was more than a couple of years old.

Just because they didn’t do it in the first nine months, doesn’t mean it won’t be done. I have an actual quote (no you can research it yourself) where Martin Kerstein said that both Guild Halls and Player housing will be in the game.

Where does your doubt come from?

There’s too much other stuff to do. Seriously though, this just goes back to the fact that you think it is ok to release a game in beta so a company can sell out it’s player base for their money ad I don’t think it is ok to release an unfinished game.

Get over it. I don’t care that you’re ok holdin on for years. I’m not. Neither, it seems, is the OP.

Vayne.8563:

Clay, what part of building do you not get. They said they would be adding Guild Halls and player housing in a quote by Martin Kerstein. He didn’t say it would be soon. Rift added player housing after the game was more than a year old. Aion added player housing after the game was more than a couple of years old.

Just because they didn’t do it in the first nine months, doesn’t mean it won’t be done. I have an actual quote (no you can research it yourself) where Martin Kerstein said that both Guild Halls and Player housing will be in the game.

Where does your doubt come from?

They already have “Homes” for players in each races area. I don’t think it would take much to give these instanced areas customization through gem store and in game purchases.

“It is helpful to take Eric’s full statement into account.

He mentioned that there will be no Guild Halls on release as we want to make Guild Halls a great experience and not just a “place”. We will introduce player housing at some point after launch, and at that time we will also implement guild halls. "

NCsoft released housing for Aion on April 11 2012. Aion was released in the US September 2009.

Oh and paying lip service to players and not following through is also not something I think is good. Kinda like they said custom arenas were coming soon. In November.

clay.7849:

….I don’t think it is ok to release an unfinished game.

I haven’t logged in for a LONG time..but I just had to ask…this game is technically “unfinished” is it not? They’re constantly evolving the game…I thought that was the entire point.

When its ready. Or if you are a religious person – “soon”.

God, i hope they don’t. “Guild Halls” are something we definitely need, but, “houses” are just too much. They’re completely useless to at least one of the characters, as well. What use does a “Charr” have for a “house”??…they spend their whole lives training, and on the battlefield. That IS their “house”. The only way for “houses” to make sense for THEM, would be to make a giant “campsite”, that every legion returns to at the end of the day.

Solbrio.1902:

clay.7849:

….I don’t think it is ok to release an unfinished game.

I haven’t logged in for a LONG time..but I just had to ask…this game is technically “unfinished” is it not? They’re constantly evolving the game…I thought that was the entire point.

Constantly evolving and missing key features the game should have shipped with are two different things.

clay.7849:

Solbrio.1902:

clay.7849:

….I don’t think it is ok to release an unfinished game.

I haven’t logged in for a LONG time..but I just had to ask…this game is technically “unfinished” is it not? They’re constantly evolving the game…I thought that was the entire point.

Constantly evolving and missing key features the game should have shipped with are two different things.

Guild halls and houses are not key features, they add to the game yes but they are not necessary to enjoy the game.

It’d be interesting to know if they’re still actively working on it, I certainly hope so… But if they aren’t then I’d love to know what they are working on.

Geotherma.2395:

I would ask arenanet. NCsoft added housing to Aion.

yes get your companies right when asking a question.

Ncsoft is the publisher

Arenanet is the game designers

Wildstar online is making a big thing of its housing. It will be interesting to see what impact wildstar has on gw2.

clay.7849:

Solbrio.1902:

clay.7849:

….I don’t think it is ok to release an unfinished game.

I haven’t logged in for a LONG time..but I just had to ask…this game is technically “unfinished” is it not? They’re constantly evolving the game…I thought that was the entire point.

Constantly evolving and missing key features the game should have shipped with are two different things.

OK, so who defines “key features?”

clay.7849:

I don’t think it is ok to release an unfinished game.

MMO’s are never finished. If you wait for an mmo to be finished before releasing, we would never have an mmo.

clay.7849:

Solbrio.1902:

clay.7849:

….I don’t think it is ok to release an unfinished game.

I haven’t logged in for a LONG time..but I just had to ask…this game is technically “unfinished” is it not? They’re constantly evolving the game…I thought that was the entire point.

Constantly evolving and missing key features the game should have shipped with are two different things.

I don’t see housing as a key feature or guild halls, but a LFG tool , guild data log/entry and custom arena are some of the basic for a game and esport that A-net wanted it to be.

chronometria.3708:

Wildstar online is making a big thing of its housing. It will be interesting to see what impact wildstar has on gw2.

I foresee that every1 will be sitting home, staring at a computer trying to build their “homes” from their home and stay home playing home and nv go out into the world and “world”. XD

Invizible.2960:

clay.7849:

Solbrio.1902:

clay.7849:

….I don’t think it is ok to release an unfinished game.

I haven’t logged in for a LONG time..but I just had to ask…this game is technically “unfinished” is it not? They’re constantly evolving the game…I thought that was the entire point.

Constantly evolving and missing key features the game should have shipped with are two different things.

Guild halls and houses are not key features, they add to the game yes but they are not necessary to enjoy the game.

When you expect a key feature of the game should be GvG, then guild halls are a key feature. Sadly, GW2 doesn’t seem to care about it’s old PvP player base. I understand that you may not empathize with me. That’s ok. It used to be that ANet took PvP seriously. That was before they decided to just make games for carebears.

LonelyReaper.8075:

clay.7849:

Solbrio.1902:

clay.7849:

….I don’t think it is ok to release an unfinished game.

I haven’t logged in for a LONG time..but I just had to ask…this game is technically “unfinished” is it not? They’re constantly evolving the game…I thought that was the entire point.

Constantly evolving and missing key features the game should have shipped with are two different things.

I don’t see housing as a key feature or guild halls, but a LFG tool , guild data log/entry and custom arena are some of the basic for a game and esport that A-net wanted it to be.

A VERY valid point as well.

clay.7849:

There’s too much other stuff to do. Seriously though, this just goes back to the fact that you think it is ok to release a game in beta so a company can sell out it’s player base for their money ad I don’t think it is ok to release an unfinished game.

Get over it. I don’t care that you’re ok holdin on for years. I’m not. Neither, it seems, is the OP.

The point remains that not having housing is not seen as an incomplete game. You seem to forget that other games, even Guild Wars 1 added tons of stuff over the years. Does that mean it wasn’t complete at launch?

If you think ANY MMO ever is going to be complete at launch or even near complete, you might as well give up on them now.

clay.7849:

Oh and paying lip service to players and not following through is also not something I think is good. Kinda like they said custom arenas were coming soon. In November.

Define soon? That’s your problem. You don’t have a definition. You’re making up your own. If I say I’m going to be making dinner soon, it wouldn’t be six months later. If I say I’m going to add these features to a program, soon takes on a different definition. You have an unrealistic expectation of what programmers can do and what amount of time they can do it it in. That’s not anyone’s problem but yours.

they have indicated that this feature will be added to gw2 but not releasing the date of when this will be available. it wont be in the end of april patch!

Vayne.8563:

clay.7849:

Oh and paying lip service to players and not following through is also not something I think is good. Kinda like they said custom arenas were coming soon. In November.

Define soon? That’s your problem. You don’t have a definition. You’re making up your own. If I say I’m going to be making dinner soon, it wouldn’t be six months later. If I say I’m going to add these features to a program, soon takes on a different definition. You have an unrealistic expectation of what programmers can do and what amount of time they can do it it in. That’s not anyone’s problem but yours.

Lol ok. I thought 6 years was a long time to add basic features to a game that defined their previous game that they had at least 10 years of developing and actual game play.

It’s not my problem, it is the developers problem. Lots of people notice. If the game doesn’t live up to expectations because of it, should we still blame the players?

Just keep defending them an telling me it’s my fault. Lmfao. I love when people say the customer is to blame.

Vayne.8563:

Define soon? That’s your problem. You don’t have a definition. You’re making up your own. If I say I’m going to be making dinner soon, it wouldn’t be six months later. If I say I’m going to add these features to a program, soon takes on a different definition. You have an unrealistic expectation of what programmers can do and what amount of time they can do it it in. That’s not anyone’s problem but yours.

Forget “soon.” Define too late. Several years? Half a decade? Does it even exist on your timetable? Your definitions are just as “made up” as clay’s.

And it’s only his problem in your opinon, remember? Lots of people want lots of features earlier rather than later, and that includes player housing. Not everyone has to share your level of patience or optimism, and, in words you use quite often, “that’s okay.”

Vayne.8563:

clay.7849:

There’s too much other stuff to do. Seriously though, this just goes back to the fact that you think it is ok to release a game in beta so a company can sell out it’s player base for their money ad I don’t think it is ok to release an unfinished game.

Get over it. I don’t care that you’re ok holdin on for years. I’m not. Neither, it seems, is the OP.

The point remains that not having housing is not seen as an incomplete game. You seem to forget that other games, even Guild Wars 1 added tons of stuff over the years. Does that mean it wasn’t complete at launch?

If you think ANY MMO ever is going to be complete at launch or even near complete, you might as well give up on them now.

GW1 was more complete at launch than this pile. And according to you they had a quarter of the staff and less time.

clay.7849:

There’s too much other stuff to do. Seriously though, this just goes back to the fact that you think it is ok to release a game in beta so a company can sell out it’s player base for their money ad I don’t think it is ok to release an unfinished game.

Get over it. I don’t care that you’re ok holdin on for years. I’m not. Neither, it seems, is the OP.

Constantly evolving and missing key features the game should have shipped with are two different things.

GW1 was more complete at launch than this pile. And according to you they had a quarter of the staff and less time.

Man, I’m hardly an ArenaNet apologist. They’ve done some horrendous, nonsensical crap with GW2, and I’ve been pretty vocal about it here, on my blog and in bug reports. Also, Guild Wars 2 had plenty of problems when it launched, and still does. I’ve got a laundry list of things that drive me nuts, from the recent vault transport change that screws small guilds, to the cluttered and distracting interface, and ArenaNet doesn’t seem to care about any of them. So yes, granted. There are problems and myriad justifiable complaints about both the game and the company’s behavior.

But jeez….

For better or worse, this is the nature of the MMO beast.

Even the most strenuous beta test is unlikely to accurately simulate a full launch. Stuff breaks, doesn’t perform as intended, and sometimes has to be shelved in lieu of better solutions. Apart from the trading post debacle and some connection issues, things really weren’t that bad for such a huge launch, especially relative to some other games I could mention. Even with release woes in the rear-view mirror, the priority given to new features, bug fixes and balance changes is almost always contentious. This is more or less a constant across the genre. It doesn’t mean a developer is incompetent or lazy or greedy, or whatever it is you seem to think.

Not only were you provided with a complete game on release, but you have also gotten a fairly substantial amount of free additional content over these eight months. As already noted above by someone else, guild halls and player housing were expressly said to be coming post-launch. That you interpreted that in relation to some time-table of your own imagining is not ArenaNet’s fault.

Oh, I thought when ANet said that people who loved GW1 would love GW2 might include their competitive PvP player base who has all but given up on the PvP in this game. Where is there any indication that they are trying to make eSport?

Also, weren’t we told this game was not going to be like other MMO’s? So why must everyone keep comparing it to MMO’s? I though it was supposed to be different?

Keep blaming the players for having no patience… Lmfao.

clay.7849:

Vayne.8563:

clay.7849:

There’s too much other stuff to do. Seriously though, this just goes back to the fact that you think it is ok to release a game in beta so a company can sell out it’s player base for their money ad I don’t think it is ok to release an unfinished game.

Get over it. I don’t care that you’re ok holdin on for years. I’m not. Neither, it seems, is the OP.

The point remains that not having housing is not seen as an incomplete game. You seem to forget that other games, even Guild Wars 1 added tons of stuff over the years. Does that mean it wasn’t complete at launch?

If you think ANY MMO ever is going to be complete at launch or even near complete, you might as well give up on them now.

GW1 was more complete at launch than this pile. And according to you they had a quarter of the staff and less time.

Guild Wars 2 wasn’t an MMO and it wasn’t this ambitious. It didn’t have near the level of content this game had. Comparing Guild Wars 1 to Guild Wars 2 is like comparing a dog house to a building.

You didn’t have to worry about people straying off path, because the game was pathed. You didn’t have to worry about 50 people in the same event, because you could only have a maxium of 8 people Much easier to get the scaling down.

Guild Wars 1 launched with about 500 quests and 25 missions. Not 1500 events, and personal stories.

Prophecies launched with a single starting areas and one race, not five.

You couldn’t go into the water making the explorable area much larger.

You could finish ALL the content in Prophecies at launch is well under a month.

MMOs are far harder and far more expensive to produce. Compare if you like but even Anet said Guild Wars 1 wasn’t an MMO.

clay.7849:

Oh, I thought when ANet said that people who loved GW1 would love GW2 might include their competitive PvP player base who has all but given up on the PvP in this game. Where is there any indication that they are trying to make eSport?

Are you complaining about PvP or guild halls and housing? I could have sworn this thread was about guild halls and housing….

I don’t play PvP, so I got nothing for ya on that. I did, however, put hundreds thousands of hours into GW1.

Also, weren’t we told this game was not going to be like other MMO’s? So why must everyone keep comparing it to MMO’s? I though it was supposed to be different?

How does one determine differences from other MMOs . . . without comparing it to them?

Keep blaming the players for having no patience… Lmfao.

I wasn’t blaming the abstraction “players” for anything. I was (and still am) addressing specific statements by a specific individual.

GW2 isn’t nearly as ambitious as GW1 was. That game actually tried to break the mold, and did quite successfully.

This game is just another MMO. For all it’s ambition, it’s really falling into the same path that every MMO is falling in to. And you use that to justify patience.

Let me just ask you – how many of those MMOs lived up to expectations and how many of them are considered failures today?

kitanas.3596:

clay.7849:

Solbrio.1902:

clay.7849:

….I don’t think it is ok to release an unfinished game.

I haven’t logged in for a LONG time..but I just had to ask…this game is technically “unfinished” is it not? They’re constantly evolving the game…I thought that was the entire point.

Constantly evolving and missing key features the game should have shipped with are two different things.

OK, so who defines “key features?”

Easy to define. What where the major aspects that pushed by the publishers? What was used to draw people into the game.

Those are key features of the game. Nowhere did it state, guild halls or guild battles, therefor they are not key features. Player Housing is not mentioned by developers as a way to draw more people therefor its not a key feature.

Key in this contest along with speeches and other aspects means can not do without. Removing a key argument from a speech and the speech becomes useless mumble that no one would care to listen to. Key features of the game are without them the game would not be attractive. Evolutionary world is one of the key features of this game and they are holding true it so far.

Player Housing, custom PvP, Guild Halls, and ect. are not key features and the game would go on playing without as it is currently. They are certain player wants but are not necessary for the game to survive.

I have a house IRL. I want stuff in games I don’t have IRL, like swords and magic. Couldn’t care less about houses.

Suddenflame.2601:

kitanas.3596:

clay.7849:

Solbrio.1902:

clay.7849:

….I don’t think it is ok to release an unfinished game.

I haven’t logged in for a LONG time..but I just had to ask…this game is technically “unfinished” is it not? They’re constantly evolving the game…I thought that was the entire point.

Constantly evolving and missing key features the game should have shipped with are two different things.

OK, so who defines “key features?”

Easy to define. What where the major aspects that pushed by the publishers? What was used to draw people into the game.

Those are key features of the game. Nowhere did it state, guild halls or guild battles, therefor they are not key features. Player Housing is not mentioned by developers as a way to draw more people therefor its not a key feature.

Key in this contest along with speeches and other aspects means can not do without. Removing a key argument from a speech and the speech becomes useless mumble that no one would care to listen to. Key features of the game are without them the game would not be attractive. Evolutionary world is one of the key features of this game and they are holding true it so far.

Player Housing, custom PvP, Guild Halls, and ect. are not key features and the game would go on playing without as it is currently. They are certain player wants but are not necessary for the game to survive.

Promise of eSport was used to drive me in. Where are those key features? You can’t have GvG without guild halls. The name of the kitten game is Guild Wars. And don’t give me that lore crap – that is just bullkitten.

clay.7849:

This game is just another MMO. For all it’s ambition, it’s really falling into the same path that every MMO is falling in to.

It is indeed “another MMO,” but I disagree on the basis that GW2 has kept my attention, whereas many other games have lost me within hours or days.

In any case, I’m not even sure why you’re worried about housing and guild halls if that’s what you really think.

clay.7849:

GW2 isn’t nearly as ambitious as GW1 was. That game actually tried to break the mold, and did quite successfully.

This game is just another MMO. For all it’s ambition, it’s really falling into the same path that every MMO is falling in to. And you use that to justify patience.

Let me just ask you – how many of those MMOs lived up to expectations and how many of them are considered failures today?

Actually, Guild Wars 2 did break a lot of MMO ground. The skills linked to weapons, whether you like it or not, is ground-breaking for an MMO. The cooperative style of PvE play including everyone being able to rez is pretty unique too. Downed state appears in no other MMO and cross profession combos I’ve not seen in an MMO either. Not to mention everyone having their own nodes and even the overflow servers.

Guild Wars 2 did well enough in doing something new that a lot of the new games coming out are copying them, and even some of the old games are copying Guild Wars 2.

Just because you don’t like what they’ve done doesn’t mean it’s not a quantum step forward in the MMO space.

UndeadRufus.6832:

clay.7849:

This game is just another MMO. For all it’s ambition, it’s really falling into the same path that every MMO is falling in to.

It is indeed “another MMO,” but I disagree on the basis that GW2 has kept my attention, whereas many other games have lost me within hours or days.

In any case, I’m not even sure why you’re worried about housing and guild halls if that’s what you really think.

I’m not. If you go back to the beginning I was attacked by Vayne as usual for saying that I doubt Player housing will happen any time soon because they haven’t even added guild halls yet.

I was happy to leave it at that. Then the fanboys started their belligerent protests that was should all be patient because the game that took 6 years to develop isn’t ready yet.

Vayne.8563:

clay.7849:

GW2 isn’t nearly as ambitious as GW1 was. That game actually tried to break the mold, and did quite successfully.

This game is just another MMO. For all it’s ambition, it’s really falling into the same path that every MMO is falling in to. And you use that to justify patience.

Let me just ask you – how many of those MMOs lived up to expectations and how many of them are considered failures today?

Actually, Guild Wars 2 did break a lot of MMO ground. The skills linked to weapons, whether you like it or not, is ground-breaking for an MMO. The cooperative style of PvE play including everyone being able to rez is pretty unique too. Downed state appears in no other MMO and cross profession combos I’ve not seen in an MMO either. Not to mention everyone having their own nodes and even the overflow servers.

Guild Wars 2 did well enough in doing something new that a lot of the new games coming out are copying them, and even some of the old games are copying Guild Wars 2.

Just because you don’t like what they’ve done doesn’t mean it’s not a quantum step forward in the MMO space.

Boring mechanics for carebears isn’t groundbreaking. It’s insulting.

And you didn’t answer my question at all.

clay.7849:

UndeadRufus.6832:

clay.7849:

This game is just another MMO. For all it’s ambition, it’s really falling into the same path that every MMO is falling in to.

It is indeed “another MMO,” but I disagree on the basis that GW2 has kept my attention, whereas many other games have lost me within hours or days.

In any case, I’m not even sure why you’re worried about housing and guild halls if that’s what you really think.

I’m not. If you go back to the beginning I was attacked by Vayne as usual for saying that I doubt Player housing will happen any time soon because they haven’t even added guild halls yet.

I was happy to leave it at that. Then the fanboys started their belligerent protests that was should all be patient because the game that took 6 years to develop isn’t ready yet.

First, you didn’t say you doubted they’d be coming soon. The only way to read your post is that you doubt they were coming at all.

And since Anet said they were planning on them, you have no real basis to say that. If you want to consider that an attack, so be it.

But it’s again you offering an opinion without a shred of evidence to back it up. Particularly when you consider how long other games have taken to add housing.

clay.7849:

GW2 isn’t nearly as ambitious as GW1 was. That game actually tried to break the mold, and did quite successfully.

Sure did. By not being an MMO.

There are probably a lot of ways you can compare GW1 and GW2, but how they “break the mold” of the MMO market isn’t one of them. GW2 is trying to be different by turning some core ideas of the MMO market around while still maintaining what it is to be an MMO. GW1 was different by being a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

To say Anet is not being ambitious is, I think, disingenuous. But their ambition is different than what it was in GW1, and different than what they’ve done before, and it’s going to take a lot of trying and failing as they really feel out where they want their game to go.

You do not wake up and say “I’m going to do something different, different than everyone before!” and churn out this glowing unique piece of work, especially not with something that’s going to require years of constant development being funded, effectively, by the customers; where you have to try and compromise what you want to do, what you can do, and what your players want you to do. It’s just not that simple, and it’s not going to come out that smoothly even 8 months after launch which, let’s be honest, is still pretty young for an MMO.

Which doesn’t mean Anet shouldn’t be given feedback on what they do (and boy, do we players give it) because input is very very important, but you’re really undermining the sheer challenge of what Anet is trying to take on, in a game model that is very long-term and very expensive and intensive to make.

Also I can’t find any indication that “eSport” every equaled “GvG”—in fact, the only statement I’ve found about GvG is one why they weren’t planning to implement it, and nothing to contradict that stance. What was important in GW1 =/= what will be important in GW2.

clay.7849:

Vayne.8563:

clay.7849:

GW2 isn’t nearly as ambitious as GW1 was. That game actually tried to break the mold, and did quite successfully.

This game is just another MMO. For all it’s ambition, it’s really falling into the same path that every MMO is falling in to. And you use that to justify patience.

Let me just ask you – how many of those MMOs lived up to expectations and how many of them are considered failures today?

Actually, Guild Wars 2 did break a lot of MMO ground. The skills linked to weapons, whether you like it or not, is ground-breaking for an MMO. The cooperative style of PvE play including everyone being able to rez is pretty unique too. Downed state appears in no other MMO and cross profession combos I’ve not seen in an MMO either. Not to mention everyone having their own nodes and even the overflow servers.

Guild Wars 2 did well enough in doing something new that a lot of the new games coming out are copying them, and even some of the old games are copying Guild Wars 2.

Just because you don’t like what they’ve done doesn’t mean it’s not a quantum step forward in the MMO space.

Boring mechanics for carebears isn’t groundbreaking. It’s insulting.

And you didn’t answer my question at all.

So what ground did Guild Wars 1 break? And I did answer your question. These are areas where other MMOs suffered. You might not believe this, but there are a lot of people out there who hate MMOs generally. They really don’t like them. And at least some of those people like Guild Wars 2, though they don’t like other MMOs. So your concept of what an MMO should be, your opinion on what is boring mechanics for care bears, says the world about how much your opinion is worth, generally. Because care bears, as you so quaintly put it, make up a pretty big percentage of the MMO player base and we’re entitled to content too. So if Anet did nothing but make a better game for care bears they’ve changed the MMO space forever. Good for them.

And if all the guys who aren’t care bears went and played other games, I’m pretty sure the care bears wouldn’t miss them.

clay.7849:

I’m not. If you go back to the beginning I was attacked by Vayne as usual for saying that I doubt Player housing will happen any time soon because they haven’t even added guild halls yet.

Actually, what you said was: “I doubt it will happen.”

When provided with a dev quote re: that very issue, you commenced a shotgun approach with every game-related ill you could conceive.

You were not “attacked” by Vayne.

I was happy to leave it at that.

Evidently not.

Then the fanboys started their belligerent protests that was should all be patient because the game that took 6 years to develop isn’t ready yet.

No one said that, and I haven’t seen anyone being belligerent toward you. If you disagree, then I suppose you can report the offending post(s).

This has ceased to be productive, if it ever was at all.

Person housing more about your person story. They changes off your chooses.

I’m guessing (and this is just a guess) that personal housing and guild halls will be in the first paid expansion. And while Anet said they’re not currently working on an expansion, that doesn’t mean they haven’t started on parts of it already (which I also believe they have). They’re not actively pursuing now because they’re trying to get stuff out like the LFG tool, observer mode and custom arenas. As features are added, they’ll go back to working on the paid expansion.

I also don’t really expect them to launch the expansion until it’s strategic for them to do so from a marketing standpoint.

UndeadRufus.6832:

clay.7849:

I’m not. If you go back to the beginning I was attacked by Vayne as usual for saying that I doubt Player housing will happen any time soon because they haven’t even added guild halls yet.

Actually, what you said was: “I doubt it will happen.”

When provided with a dev quote re: that very issue, you commenced a shotgun approach with every game-related ill you could conceive.

You were not “attacked” by Vayne.

I was happy to leave it at that.

Evidently not.

Then the fanboys started their belligerent protests that was should all be patient because the game that took 6 years to develop isn’t ready yet.

No one said that, and I haven’t seen anyone being belligerent toward you. If you disagree, then I suppose you can report the offending post(s).

This has ceased to be productive, if it ever was at all.

I do doubt it will happen. The devs like to over promise and under deliver.

What is wrong with me doubting it will happen? Your quote proves that it will?

Davidm.2419:

when is ncsoft going to add housing to guild wars 2?

right after they fix up professions in a couple of years.

So you’re saying everything ANet says has or will come true? Be careful how you answer this one.

clay.7849:

So you’re saying everything ANet says has or will come true? Be careful how you answer this one.

As much as you say is true at least.

Jski.6180:

clay.7849:

So you’re saying everything ANet says has or will come true? Be careful how you answer this one.

As much as you say is true at least.

So we can look forward to more leveling and gear grind in the future too? They said they expect to add that too. I’m sure lots of people will be thrilled to hear that.

But that’s the easy stuff. I can dig up more failed promises.