Guild Wars 2

Hello fellow GW2,

I am writing this to remind you that you have a choice when playing GW2. Your whinning is driving me insane!

No one forced you to purchase keys for BL chests. It’s your choice! As in real life, no one forces you to purchase lottery ticket. It’s your choice!

No one forced you to grind the mats for legendary items (legendary weapons, Halloween weapon skins, and more coming up.) It’s your choice!

You don’t have to pay $10-$15 monthly subscription to play this game, so you don’t have to force yourself to attend events, grind mats to make the monthly subscription worth. It’s your choice.

The word “Rare” means RARE! And I do appreciate the low % chance or the long, tedious grinding. The items will neither be considered as “rare” nor “legendary” if majority of players could obtain the items easy and quick. This will raise the value of the any accounts that could obtain Legendary items.

I am casual player. I have family, working full time. I admired any player had legendary or rare weapons that I ran across. I recently just finished the Jormag’s Breath sword for my thief and I am proudly using it. If the Jormag’s Breath is easy to obtain, it would be boring to even put it on any character. Again, this was my choice to grind mats for the sword.
I bought gems to upgrade bank slots, inventory. It was my choice!

Just like in real life, it is your choice to save all the money toward expensive car such as BMW, Mecerdes, Lexus, et.c or you just want something with an engine and 4 wheels to carry you to work and back home.

At the end, it is you who chose your own destination. It’s your choice!

I enjoy playing this game. Keep up the good work ANet!

I wont even bother to read your whole Q_Q thread.

ill just say this, people who spend RL money on a faded RNG wich yielded nothing even after 30$+ (like me) are allowed to complain, because THEY are the ones who support this game spending so people LIKE YOU can enjoy more content.

/thread.

Denial of Service. Yes, you’re entitled to complain. His point was that he’s sick of reading about it. There’s a reason you don’t see a complaint department at a casino. People who spent money knowingly on RNG and expected a guaranteed result are the very definition of a sucker. The right to whine doesn’t make you right.

Anet introduced a potentially real world money using gambling mechanic without posting odds of winning. That’s shady. People complaining absolutely have a right to do so.

We complain because we enjoy the game of GW2 and would like honest and positive business practices to accompany it.

No one said the probability rate is high. It is low, you guys all know its low. If you choose to spend money on keys, then you need to know what you are doing, and it seems like not many of you guys don’t have a clue what you are doing.

Every time you roll it, each roll is independent so it doesn’t matter how many boxes you open, the probability rate stays the same. So when you say I have spend 30 or 60 keys, it doesn’t mean anything because irrespective of how many key you used, the rate stays the same which is low.

That’s how probability works. So when you decided to spend on the keys, you are agreeing to the chances that you are NOT going to get anything. There is no guarantee, that’s how probability works.

That’s the sad and only truth:

they disapointed exactly those people who supported them financially the most.

Speaking of ’it’s your choice’: if it’s the customers choice to vent their disapointmentthis much, you better wonder what went wrong… instead of complaining about the ‘whiners’.

Forums are for feedback. Why do you even bother to complain about feedback others are giving?
Who made you the judge of what feedback is justified and what is not?

You like the game. Great.
That’s about all that is relevant here.

Coregrin.6150:

Denial of Service. Yes, you’re entitled to complain. His point was that he’s sick of reading about it. There’s a reason you don’t see a complaint department at a casino. People who spent money knowingly on RNG and expected a guaranteed result are the very definition of a sucker. The right to whine doesn’t make you right.

But we are also allowed to complain that holiday items (or other in game things) should be more accessible through gameplay means, rather than gamble boxes.

GW2 isn’t a casino. A better comparison would be if your grocery store had grab bags that have a 1% chance of food and a 99% chance to contain dirt. You bet people would complain if that was the only way of getting a particular type of fruit.

OP , you’ve got to check out the other thread about this , the whiners are actually starting to blame ArenaNet for preying on their addiction to gambling.

No , seriously , they are actually starting to go down the “they couldnt help it because of the chemical reactions of gambling” route.

It’s a hoot.

Denial Of Service.5732:

I wont even bother to read your whole Q_Q thread.

ill just say this, people who spend RL money on a faded RNG wich yielded nothing even after 30$+ (like me) are allowed to complain, because THEY are the ones who support this game spending so people LIKE YOU can enjoy more content.

/thread.

I won’t even bother reading your whole QQ post.

I’ll just say this, people who spend real life money on gambling for things that are expected to be in the 1-2% range then complain that they didn’t get their skin are rather entitled and soar losers and this is their way to cry that they didn’t get it, they spout terms like “We support the game so we should win the gambling with RNG.”

No, you paid to gamble and essentially lost, I hate to throw out an anatomy like this, but it’s like going to a casino, blowing all your money then whining when you don’t win when you know that the odds are against you. Some people have luck, others don’t.

Once again, I’m presented with a double edged sword to comment on.

I haven’t been “ripped off” as badly as most other people. In 80 chests, I got 2 skins. Most people have gone over 100 with no skins. That part I can understand why they’re kitten It is a pretty devious move by ANet.

However, they have to make their money somehow, and I think people are being willfully ignorant in forgetting how much MMOs cost to keep operating. One need only look at what happened to ToR to see this.

Denial Of Service.5732:

I wont even bother to read your whole Q_Q thread.

ill just say this, people who spend RL money on a faded RNG wich yielded nothing even after 30$+ (like me) are allowed to complain, because THEY are the ones who support this game spending so people LIKE YOU can enjoy more content.

/thread.

You and I aren’t entitled to anything. It was clearly stated it was a chance on opening chest. I “lost” keys as well to this, but so what? I knew I might not get anything. Tough luck is just that.

HEY , PIT BOSS , get OVER HERE.

I just bet even , then red , then odd , then 37 , then 1st 12 , then 00 green.

NONE OF THEM WON , GIMME MY MONEY BACK !!!

/stomp foot

/stomp foot

/cry

/stomp foot

dahkot.3579:

HEY , PIT BOSS , get OVER HERE.

I just bet even , then red , then odd , then 37 , then 1st 12 , then 00 green.

NONE OF THEM WON , GIMME MY MONEY BACK !!!

/stomp foot

/stomp foot

/cry

/stomp foot

GW2 is not Vegas. It’s not a casino. Trying to turn it into a casino is absolutely abhorrent. Halloween is not about gambling, so why make it so the event’s neatest goodies are only accessible through real money mystery box gambling?

It’s also a ‘hoot’ that those defending the game are ignoring the fact so many paying customers were severly disapointed.

This is beyond right or wrong: it’s bad business to kitten of those customers who pay the most…

You might disagree with the complaints, you’re very entitled to do so.

But if you think that that makes the problem less, than you’re mistaken.
If something stirs up so much complaints with your most paying customers, than you did something wrong as a company.
Reputation is everything for an MMO.

Mondy of War.8964:

Once again, I’m presented with a double edged sword to comment on.

I haven’t been “ripped off” as badly as most other people. In 80 chests, I got 2 skins. Most people have gone over 100 with no skins. That part I can understand why they’re kitten It is a pretty devious move by ANet.

However, they have to make their money somehow, and I think people are being willfully ignorant in forgetting how much MMOs cost to keep operating. One need only look at what happened to ToR to see this.

100 chest with no desirable outcome is simply luck. Mathematical, it is possible for someone to roll the dice 10000 times and still doesn’t get the desired outcome.

There is no way to say, oh, the user have opened 100 chest, lets increase the probability for him. That would be unfair. The probability has to stay the same, and so long as it does stay the same, there is always a chance that you won’t get the desired outcome even after many tries.

It’s your choice to read expressions of disappointment and legitimate complains about Anet’s business practices, too. See how that works?

There’s no need for holiday fun stuff to be “rare” and “legendary”. We already have those.

Kimbald.2697:

It’s also a ‘hoot’ that those defending the game are ignoring the fact so many paying customers were severly disapointed.

This is beyond right or wrong: it’s bad business to kitten of those customers who pay the most…

You might disagree with the complaints, you’re very entitled to do so.

But if you think that that makes the problem less, than you’re mistaken.
If something stirs up so much complaints with your most paying customers, than you did something wrong as a company.
Reputation is everything for an MMO.

People are disappointed because they are not mathematically literate.

Its not their fault to a certain extend, but it doesn’t make them right.

To quote bioware. “Whining about whining is not productive.”
Because that’s exactly what you’re doing and before you try to masquerade your thread as some how superior to those who are voicing legitimate concerns, just stop.

Those who are complaining have legitimate concerns, you are not forced to read those threads. There is an ignore post feature, either learn to use it or sit back down.

HornetOne.1640:

Kimbald.2697:

It’s also a ‘hoot’ that those defending the game are ignoring the fact so many paying customers were severly disapointed.

This is beyond right or wrong: it’s bad business to kitten of those customers who pay the most…

You might disagree with the complaints, you’re very entitled to do so.

But if you think that that makes the problem less, than you’re mistaken.
If something stirs up so much complaints with your most paying customers, than you did something wrong as a company.
Reputation is everything for an MMO.

People are disappointed because they are not mathematically literate.

Its not their fault to a certain extend, but it doesn’t make them right.

They are right though. They are arguing from a design stance. Math has nothing to do with it. They, and I, feel that cash shop RNG has no place in providing goodies for GW2 events like this.

Wasabee.5031:

Hello fellow GW2,

I am writing this to remind you that you have a choice when playing GW2. Your whinning is driving me insane!

No one forced you to purchase keys for BL chests. It’s your choice! As in real life, no one forces you to purchase lottery ticket. It’s your choice!

No one forced you to grind the mats for legendary items (legendary weapons, Halloween weapon skins, and more coming up.) It’s your choice!

You don’t have to pay $10-$15 monthly subscription to play this game, so you don’t have to force yourself to attend events, grind mats to make the monthly subscription worth. It’s your choice.

The word “Rare” means RARE! And I do appreciate the low % chance or the long, tedious grinding. The items will neither be considered as “rare” nor “legendary” if majority of players could obtain the items easy and quick. This will raise the value of the any accounts that could obtain Legendary items.

I am casual player. I have family, working full time. I admired any player had legendary or rare weapons that I ran across. I recently just finished the Jormag’s Breath sword for my thief and I am proudly using it. If the Jormag’s Breath is easy to obtain, it would be boring to even put it on any character. Again, this was my choice to grind mats for the sword.
I bought gems to upgrade bank slots, inventory. It was my choice!

Just like in real life, it is your choice to save all the money toward expensive car such as BMW, Mecerdes, Lexus, et.c or you just want something with an engine and 4 wheels to carry you to work and back home.

At the end, it is you who chose your own destination. It’s your choice!

I enjoy playing this game. Keep up the good work ANet!

Well said, I’m tired of people whining about not getting RARE items. Wouldn’t it be a shame if everybody walked around with the same Halloween skinned items?
+1’d

I think the point MOST folks are trying to make isn’t that they want their money back, but that odds this low dissuade them from wanting to spend money in the future. I love the crap out of this game, but I’m not likely to buy more keys any time soon — problem is, with a large enough group of that mindset, ANet may wind up seeing some decline in financials

No one is forcing you to read their complaints. It’s your choice!

Snerf.1650:

They are right though. They are arguing from a design stance. Math has nothing to do with it. They, and I, feel that cash shop RNG has no place in providing goodies for GW2 events like this.

That is a fair argument, but if that’s what a person feel, and I do to, then he shouldn’t spend any money on the keys in the first place. Participating in something we disagree with is just not the right way.

I don’t like the idea so I am not participating in it. If everyone does the same, then we are sending Anet a message.

The problem is those who are willing to take the risk, but complains when the outcome doesn’t favor them. They need to understand that anything that works by chance cannot have any guarantee even by sheer number of tries.

Snerf.1650:

Coregrin.6150:

Denial of Service. Yes, you’re entitled to complain. His point was that he’s sick of reading about it. There’s a reason you don’t see a complaint department at a casino. People who spent money knowingly on RNG and expected a guaranteed result are the very definition of a sucker. The right to whine doesn’t make you right.

But we are also allowed to complain that holiday items (or other in game things) should be more accessible through gameplay means, rather than gamble boxes.

GW2 isn’t a casino. A better comparison would be if your grocery store had grab bags that have a 1% chance of food and a 99% chance to contain dirt. You bet people would complain if that was the only way of getting a particular type of fruit.

No, it’s not a casino. But, you are in fact, gambling. Plain and simple. I would be frustrated too if I had spent money on keys and ended up with nothing. Seeing as how I have a choice in the matter, I choose not to. I’ve paid for things that I knew I would see a return on (character slot, bank slot, etc.). How do you figure that you are entitled to something that wasn’t guaranteed to you? Makes you sound like a 4 year old who hasn’t discovered the joys of disappointment.

HornetOne.1640:

Snerf.1650:

They are right though. They are arguing from a design stance. Math has nothing to do with it. They, and I, feel that cash shop RNG has no place in providing goodies for GW2 events like this.

That is a fair argument, but if that’s what a person feel, and I do to, then he shouldn’t spend any money on the keys in the first place. Participating in something we disagree with is just not the right way.

I don’t like the idea so I am not participating in it. If everyone does the same, then we are sending Anet a message.

The problem is those who are willing to take the risk, but complains when the outcome doesn’t favor them. They need to understand that anything that works by chance cannot have any guarantee even by sheer number of tries.

I agree with most of this, and also have no contributed money to the practice.

However, I believe that like most circumstances in life, people that disagree fundamentally with a practice must speak up about it. If we don’t do that, no one is going to do that for us.

We are trying to tell Anet with our words and our wallet that this business practice is poor. There are ways to make money for the company while treating customers well with positive and transparent business practices.

igmolicious.5986:

I think the point MOST folks are trying to make isn’t that they want their money back, but that odds this low dissuade them from wanting to spend money in the future. I love the crap out of this game, but I’m not likely to buy more keys any time soon — problem is, with a large enough group of that mindset, ANet may wind up seeing some decline in financials

The counter argument to that I guess would be, if the odds were too high, then those that bought a bunch of keys would wish they didn’t since their cool new skin X is being worn by half the population. There has to be a balance. I don’t know the real numbers here for the odds on BL chests, but the fact that plenty of people have already gotten skins from them would tell me that it is high enough as is. Just my $.02 and I do see what you are saying, I would just prefer they remain rare.

The spirit of Halloween is definitely about gambling.

I remember all my childhood, I’d go to a door and pay 20 dollars in order to possibly open it and maybe get a piece of candy. Its a legitimate business practice from all the people at those houses! Free candy because its a celebration? Are you daft?!

Its a proven fact that gambling improves your life and enjoyment of the celebration.
If you gamble enough, you learn to expect less in life. Pretty soon ANet will help us all realize just how completely horrible and unreasonable we were to expect them to give every player an easier opportunity at getting the permanent skins.. I mean.. this isn’t…

WoW, FFXI, PW, the list basically goes on and on to all mmo with either a sub fee or a nice event where you have better access to the content.

Why would they want to do like those companies? They didn’t invent it… if ANet didn’t invent it then they won’t add it. Not made here… No player to player trading for you! Its not like they are supposed to be competitive with those other mmo which offer a fulfilling permanent reward for doing the quest. Why build community when all we are doing is zerg rushing everything? This way is alot better.

Thank ANet for making the drop rate of these items equivalent of most six month subscription fees in other mmo in gold or money.

They are teaching us to care less and/or expect less in life from other people (definitely Halloween spirit material) and I am coming to the conclusion that its a good thing to have misanthropy and a general distrust of mankind.

Thanks ANet! You managed to do something that the real world, job, school, etc couldn’t do! I will take this lesson with me and treat everyone else accordingly from now on. I used to buy into that karmatic nice person “help every player, support the companies you like” hogwash.

While I was learning that lesson, I learned something else. The exploiters of all those bugs and people who gamed the market were able to afford these items while the people who supported the company didn’t get them!

Wow, I have been doing it wrong all this time.

HornetOne.1640:

Kimbald.2697:

It’s also a ‘hoot’ that those defending the game are ignoring the fact so many paying customers were severly disapointed.

This is beyond right or wrong: it’s bad business to kitten of those customers who pay the most…

You might disagree with the complaints, you’re very entitled to do so.

But if you think that that makes the problem less, than you’re mistaken.
If something stirs up so much complaints with your most paying customers, than you did something wrong as a company.
Reputation is everything for an MMO.

People are disappointed because they are not mathematically literate.

Its not their fault to a certain extend, but it doesn’t make them right.

If you want to say people are disapointed because they are too stupid to realise how gambling works, be my guest. It says more about you than them…

They are disapointed.

Why doesn’t even matter anymore.
People are mathematically literate enough to realise it was a chance game.
But they expected better odds, that’s all.
GW1 shop had better odds for example. Not gicving the same odds without warning is misleading people.

But as I said: right or wrong are less important by now.
if a company manages to cause this uproar with that supportive group of players that were willing to spend real cash in the shop, than they did something wrong.
You can say these people are too stupid (that’s what you did with your terms), but that doesn’t change anything.

People who are economically literate know that pissing of your best paying customers is a bad deal, no matter how misinformed and stupid they are.

The majority doesn’t have to be right if you try to sell them something in the future…

the OP has a valid point though.. Anet clearly stated that there would be a chance to get said object from the chest. they did not say that opening so many chests will give you better odds. if you gamble in any situation you are going to have to suffer the consequences or profit from them. the same gambling principle was already in the game with the mystic forge. people were not complaining nearly as much if they took a bunch of items and threw them in the forge and didn’t get squat back. if they spent IRL caskittens i understand why they are mad but Anet didn’t force their hand in buying gems. and on the note of players are supporting Anet in spending their own money. more power to them but even if noone paid IRL cash the game would still go on none the less.

gambling is gambling. end of story.

DumpTruck.2945:

gambling is gambling. end of story.

actually no.

The odds matter, not end of story without including the odds at wich you gamble.

GW1 odds were different from these…

D W.5179:

igmolicious.5986:

I think the point MOST folks are trying to make isn’t that they want their money back, but that odds this low dissuade them from wanting to spend money in the future. I love the crap out of this game, but I’m not likely to buy more keys any time soon — problem is, with a large enough group of that mindset, ANet may wind up seeing some decline in financials

The counter argument to that I guess would be, if the odds were too high, then those that bought a bunch of keys would wish they didn’t since their cool new skin X is being worn by half the population. There has to be a balance. I don’t know the real numbers here for the odds on BL chests, but the fact that plenty of people have already gotten skins from them would tell me that it is high enough as is. Just my $.02 and I do see what you are saying, I would just prefer they remain rare.

I’m of the mindset that even if you get an event item, you’re not guaranteed to get the one you want, but knowing that there’s a decent chance that you will get an even item, you’re more likely to sink gems (an for most of us, that means real money) into it. Had I gotten an event item from the keys I spent $20 bucks on, I’d be more likely to buy more keys. I would have had some sort of return on the investment. As it is, it’s hard for me to justify spending more money without knowing I’ll get something other than boosters out of it (boosters are nice and all, but I have a pretty significant stockpile in my vault already).

Easiest thing we players who supported the game can do is just stop buying stuff from them because we learned the valuable lesson they were trying to teach us. You are doing it wrong, try learning and paying attention to their example.

We can all be as well suited for pure survival against (not with) the other people of this world, if we just act the same way.

Again, I thank ANet with all my heart and soul for teaching me the right way.

Snerf.1650:

Anet introduced a potentially real world money using gambling mechanic without posting odds of winning. That’s shady. People complaining absolutely have a right to do so.

We complain because we enjoy the game of GW2 and would like honest and positive business practices to accompany it.

Exactly right, they kept the odds hidden, therefore increasing the profit they made off the suckers (myself included) who thought they werent just another cheating RNG japanese MMO company. This was wrong, horribly wrong.

Because I too am sick of reading posts about people complaining to not complain I’m going to leave this here for you and others like you. Perhaps you can gain something from it and understand that their whining and crying IS more effective than boycotting, denying them service in the video game industry where people buy garbage and eat it up like it was the next best thing since sliced bread.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6187-Why-Boycotts-Fail-Where-Whining-Tantrums-Win

This however has no bearings on how I feel about the entire event. Seeing people are posting regarding something that isn’t even completely unlocked I can’t determine personally if the ‘rare’ weapons will be impossible or not from the last few hours of the game. I mean we still have the rest of the week who knows what else is in store and if there will be more ways to earn mats?

Ingmolicios,

(can’t reply in forum ATM)
That’s fair, and I do see that point. As I said, I have no knowledge of the odds we are discussing here. Honestly, in my personal opinion if the drop rate is somewhere around 1-2% I think that is about right. Keeping it that rare makes it more special for the lucky folks that end up with on at the end of the holiday. Now if it was ME that spent $20 and was disappointed, perhaps I would be singing a different tune (in all fairness). Lastly, thanks for replying in a calm logical way Not all of these threads are going in that direction, so cheers to you.

I think this is very much in the spirit of Halloween. You all got TRICKED into spending your money on a TREAT. The rest of us are laughing at your foolishness. Hopefully you learned your lesson :-D

Sahfur.5612:

Easiest thing we players who supported the game can do is just stop buying stuff from them because we learned the valuable lesson they were trying to teach us. You are doing it wrong, try learning and paying attention to their example.

We can all be as well suited for pure survival against (not with) the other people of this world, if we just act the same way.

Again, I thank ANet with all my heart and soul for teaching me the right way.

To be fair, I very much doubt that ANet had any malicious intent with the chest gamble — I just don’t really think that they thought it through all the way. As some other posters have suggested, even minor even related prizes (event tonics/event crafting materials/Trick or Treat Bags/etc.) would have been enough to keep some folks dishing out money. Had the drop rate been such that on average a person opening 30 or so chests was likely to get a weapon or armor skin, you’d have an even larger percentage throwing money at ANet.

lol no one told you you had high odds of getting it, in fact why are people spending money on it? ANet isn’t waiting for your money in buying their keys… No one is forcing you to buy with real money… why are people so eager for halloween skins… or legendaries or anything crazy in this game? To show off? in a virtual world? Do they honestly look that great anyway? I don’t even like the way the legendaries look. Way too flashy for me. I enjoy cheap but nice looking things that fits my style, that’s how i shop in real life too xD but I wouldn’t spend any extra effort or cash on for things I don’t really want that much or need.

And that is my choice right? If you choose to spend a ton of money on it, THAT is your choice. Do you REALLY need those skins? Do you really want it that bad? Does it really make your character look nicer? That’s up to your decision but whatever effort and resources you put to getting it, is your responsibility.

No one needs to give you the calculations, odds and on ward. Even if they gave you the probability, that still does not mean that if you buy 1 million chests you will for sure get that 1%. You might still be unlucky and STILL not get it. Odds or not.

Anet did not keep the odds hidden, they told the community in their post that there would be a chance at getting items from the chests. “a chance” automatically makes it a gambling mechanic and the community decided that they were not going to accept they were gambling in the first place. that is their own fault. you don’t walk up to a casino or a liquor store to buy a lottery ticket and see the odds of winning clearly stated in bold words. your gambling and you know you are gambling. and everyone is kitten that they wasted all their money QQ. you made the choice and its time to face the consequences..

igmolicious.5986:

To be fair, I very much doubt that ANet had any malicious intent with the chest gamble — I just don’t really think that they thought it through all the way. As some other posters have suggested, even minor even related prizes (event tonics/event crafting materials/Trick or Treat Bags/etc.) would have been enough to keep some folks dishing out money. Had the drop rate been such that on average a person opening 30 or so chests was likely to get a weapon or armor skin, you’d have an even larger percentage throwing money at ANet.

Hmm, now a guaranteed holiday event item of some sort… now that’s something I can get behind. In fact, that’s probably a very good idea for ANet. Everybody wins in that equation, since you WILL get something cool for the keys you bought, but those that hit the jackpot and get rare skins will still have something very special. I hope they keep this in mind for future events. Good constructive, non selfish criticism. I still think 1% is about right for the rare drops IMO, but a guaranteed holiday event item (not rare) is a fantastic idea that would probably net them even more gem sales.

Lol that would be nice ^ But there will always be whiners and people complaining just about anything and making a huge fuss over it. They will say i got this cheap tot bags with nothing in it but candy corn. and onwards. People are never satisfied on here…

@takatsu

I can’t speak for other folks, but personally, I like the idea of the event skins simply because they appeal to my tastes. I don’t use a greatsword on any of my characters, but I probably WOULD if I had the greatsaw skin, since I see that and think, “Man, who WOULDN’T want to swing around a chainsaw?” I can’t say I spend much time looking at other folks characters, but I do enjoy dressing mine up, and gearing them up in a way that is appealing to me. I have a decent paying job, so I’m happy to spend money on things I enjoy (in this case, GW2), but I understand not everyone feels that way (even folks with a lot more disposable income than myself).

Wasabe and D W are missing a pretty basic point of contention here.
1 – ANet sent out an email saying black lion chests were stocked with Halloween items.
2 – The gem store itself had an add for black lion chests touting their Halloween upgrade.

This led people to rightfully assume THEY WOULD GET HALLOWEEN ITEMS FOR THEIR MONEY.

Yes, it sucks the weapon skins have a stupid low drop rate that most people weren’t exactly expecting given the nature of Anet’s Halloween events since…I don’t know…ever.

But remove those from the equation for a moment. And consider that people who spent good money on keys did not receive a single Halloween themed item at all . No candy corn, no trick or treat bags, absinthe, squash serum, witches brew, nothing.

Yes it was someone’s choice to buy 6 keys and they shouldn’t have rightfully expected to get all six weapons out of the gate. But with the promotions and advertising put out those people did have a right to expect something related to the event.

That was not an unreasonable expectation by any means given the information players had. And that’s why people feel slighted.

Consider for a moment publix always sells bags of their bakery cookies. And then puts out ads saying those bags have been stocked with girlscout cookies, so you go buy half a dozen or so. You don’t get any peanut butter patties or thin mints. Oh well, luck of the draw. But then you find out there was not one single girl scout cookie of any kind at all in any of the bags. That kittening sucks. People like girl scout cookies.

People understand it was a choice. And people are upset they were misled my marketing into making that choice.

Wasabee.5031:

Hello fellow GW2,

I am writing this to remind you that you have a choice when playing GW2. Your whinning is driving me insane!

No one forced you to purchase keys for BL chests. It’s your choice! As in real life, no one forces you to purchase lottery ticket. It’s your choice!

No one forced you to grind the mats for legendary items (legendary weapons, Halloween weapon skins, and more coming up.) It’s your choice!

You don’t have to pay $10-$15 monthly subscription to play this game, so you don’t have to force yourself to attend events, grind mats to make the monthly subscription worth. It’s your choice.

The word “Rare” means RARE! And I do appreciate the low % chance or the long, tedious grinding. The items will neither be considered as “rare” nor “legendary” if majority of players could obtain the items easy and quick. This will raise the value of the any accounts that could obtain Legendary items.

I am casual player. I have family, working full time. I admired any player had legendary or rare weapons that I ran across. I recently just finished the Jormag’s Breath sword for my thief and I am proudly using it. If the Jormag’s Breath is easy to obtain, it would be boring to even put it on any character. Again, this was my choice to grind mats for the sword.
I bought gems to upgrade bank slots, inventory. It was my choice!

Just like in real life, it is your choice to save all the money toward expensive car such as BMW, Mecerdes, Lexus, et.c or you just want something with an engine and 4 wheels to carry you to work and back home.

At the end, it is you who chose your own destination. It’s your choice!

I enjoy playing this game. Keep up the good work ANet!

No one’s forcing you to read these forums – stop whining about the ‘whiners’……..

DumpTruck.2945:

Anet did not keep the odds hidden, they told the community in their post that there would be a chance at getting items from the chests. “a chance” automatically makes it a gambling mechanic and the community decided that they were not going to accept they were gambling in the first place. that is their own fault. you don’t walk up to a casino or a liquor store to buy a lottery ticket and see the odds of winning clearly stated in bold words. your gambling and you know you are gambling. and everyone is kitten that they wasted all their money QQ. you made the choice and its time to face the consequences..

Anet had a history in GW1

When they sad ‘a chance’ it’s safe to assume it were the same odds they used before.
It weren’t the same odds…

Just stating a RARE chance would have been good.

And in all honesty: if they bothered to include plenty of minor rewards, people wouldn’t feel so left out.
This whole thing was conducted as a badly designed, hasty and greedy event.
They could have done so much better, for little more effort.

They messed up this one, they conducted themselves like the first cheap money grabbing MMo out there… and they are better than that.
Big mistake on their part, and sadly so: this game deserves better than this controversy.

Here is a hint for everyone and anyone complaining: It’s a “GAME” if you don’t like it, don’t play it. Don’t try to get a skin from a BLC. Do dungeons, PVP, WvW. Don’t participate in the Halloween event, then guess what, you have nothing to kitten about…

Pretty effin simple….

SmOkE.2805:

Here is a hint for everyone and anyone complaining: It’s a “GAME” if you don’t like it, don’t play it. Don’t try to get a skin from a BLC. Do dungeons, PVP, WvW. Don’t participate in the Halloween event, then guess what, you have nothing to kitten about…

Pretty effin simple….

the complaints are about the real money. Real money isn’t ‘a game’.
The mistake made here was that they thought people would accpet the same droprates for real money event items, as they do for dungeon drops or so.
reality check: they don’t.

And to take your own advice: it’s a FORUM. if you don’t like people saying things you don’t want to hear, don’t read them. Just as effin simple I would say.

Solinox.6251

Exactly right, they kept the odds hidden, therefore increasing the profit they made off the suckers (myself included) who thought they werent just another cheating RNG japanese MMO company. This was wrong, horribly wrong.

Correct. Honestly I’ve been actually playing NCSoft games and never encountered anything like this from them (maybe except the Gameforge Aion crap they pulled which made me actually quit that game).

As for OP, yes you’re right, it was our choice, we were the suckers for trusting a game company. I’m disappointed with them, I still don’t agree with the method used, I still think it was disrespectful to the people who support them by spending money in this game but I guess it’s a lesson learned the hard way.

AcidicVision.5498:

Wasabe and D W are missing a pretty basic point of contention here.
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Please see above where I did agree that it would have been nice to have placed non rare items in all BL Chests. That being said, I appreciate that they are making the skins rare (From BLTC chests) and difficult to craft. The items are cool to looks at, but if they are not rare enough, they become ordinary quickly. Definitely a +1 from me on a guaranteed event related item in all BL chests, but let’s keep the rare items rare.

Hey, I love the game. I can have an opinion that doesn’t like the gambling atmostphere of the keys. You guys are asking people to stop having a voice, which is slightly hypocritical.

People are entitled to their opinions and voices. I can give criticism of a game I like, so hopefully it will be better for everyone.

And some don’t understand how the US government is has become so partisan. Sigh!