Guild Wars 2

Tabootrinket.2631:

Phineas Drayke.6381:

Call yourself lucky. In french we got some strange equivalent of “smasher”…….

lol OMG “le fracasseur” xD.
I’m so glad I’m not playing in the European server lol. No seriously there’s nothing to complain about the name “daredevil”. Not after seeing the french version at least lol (and no one seems to complain about the name there)

I like the german name “Draufgänger”. It is a good translation of “daredevil” and with this name, nobody thinks about marvel comics.

this is a pretty good/ok name when you compare it to the dragonhunter

i feel like i can get used to daredevil over time, not like dragon hunter (worst name ever)

The dictionary definition of the Daredevil is pretty much how I play my Thief, so the name is actually quite fitting.

Sure they could have gone with “Assassin” or “Acrobat” but they are overused these days. With Daredevil they are going for something new but without stepping over the “High Concept” line, where things are convoluted and needs extraneous explanation. Daredevil says exactly what the specialization does and that is all you can really ask for.

They did great with this specialization.

Daredevil = someone fearless, extremely fearless

So I get they named it like that because what? They expect him to Dash/Leap/Roll into battle head first like being…fearless? :P

Not a fan. Give what it offers, I would have gone with “Monk” or “Wanderer.” Dare Devil just sounds silly.

Killyox.3950:

Daredevil = someone fearless, extremely fearless

So I get they named it like that because what? They expect him to Dash/Leap/Roll into battle head first like being…fearless? :P

That’s exactly how I play my Charr Thief.

I’ve even named him Jeopard which means “to put in jeopardy; hazard; risk; imperil”. Just in this case, he ends up putting himself in more danger than the enemy… but that’s his quirk.

Sometimes the gamble of leaping head first pays off, sometimes it doesn’t. I guess that is what it means for someone to embody a Daredevil state of mind.

The Daredevil’s use of “physical” skills just makes even more sense for me to dive blindly into the fray.

Prophet.6257:

Anyone else think this name sounds pretty corny?

Definitely “high concept”!

;)

Killyox.3950:

Daredevil = someone fearless, extremely fearless

So I get they named it like that because what? They expect him to Dash/Leap/Roll into battle head first like being…fearless? :P

Name makes sense if you compare spec to Daredevil from comic books. Thats the only reason why name is not bad.

I’m pretty neutral to the name, do like the look of the play style though.

All I know is it feels like d&d3.5 Thief Acrobat to me, so if it was called acrobat, that would have be easy for me to remember.

Well, imo thename fits the theme of elite spec and what it does and how it is described. It just sounds bad though XD

BrotherNumsie.8123:

I would have gone with The Acrobat.

The specialization reminds me of Diana The Acrobat from the old Dungeon and Dragons cartoons.

Yes I know, thief has acrobatics already, just that I think this specialization fits better with the name.

zomg.

/oldpersonfistbump

Assassin, please!
Or

Master Shadow

Quickblade

Mistrunner

Quicksilver

Go simple? Master Thief

With all the monk-like Kungkittenmoves being added, might as well go Cantha in the naming.

If player concerns are not important to you, Anet, a Marvel lawsuit will be.
DO NOT USE DAREDEVIL.

Pick up a Thesaurus…

Outlaw… RP or lore issues might arise, but waaay better than Daredevil…
Oh, here you go, fancy-nancy and as dastardly as it gets:

Rapscallion

No? Too Oniony?

Blackguard…

I personally like Master Shadow best, Assassin second.

I like the name.

Asumir.1978:

Assassin, please!
Or

Master Shadow

Quickblade

Mistrunner

Quicksilver

Go simple? Master Thief

With all the monk-like Kungkittenmoves being added, might as well go Cantha in the naming.

If player concerns are not important to you, Anet, a Marvel lawsuit will be.
DO NOT USE DAREDEVIL.

Pick up a Thesaurus…

Outlaw… RP or lore issues might arise, but waaay better than Daredevil…
Oh, here you go, fancy-nancy and as dastardly as it gets:

Rapscallion

No? Too Oniony?

Blackguard…

I personally like Master Shadow best, Assassin second.

Any of those has any relation to the new spec, traitline, elite or weapon? I don’t see stealth, shadows, knifes or anything like that in what the new spec is. Monk could suit it better, but its also a very wasted word today. Daredevil is ok, really.

Ardid.7203:

Asumir.1978:

Assassin, please!
Or

Master Shadow

Quickblade

Mistrunner

Quicksilver

Go simple? Master Thief

With all the monk-like Kungkittenmoves being added, might as well go Cantha in the naming.

If player concerns are not important to you, Anet, a Marvel lawsuit will be.
DO NOT USE DAREDEVIL.

Pick up a Thesaurus…

Outlaw… RP or lore issues might arise, but waaay better than Daredevil…
Oh, here you go, fancy-nancy and as dastardly as it gets:

Rapscallion

No? Too Oniony?

Blackguard…

I personally like Master Shadow best, Assassin second.

Any of those has any relation to the new spec, traitline, elite or weapon? I don’t see stealth, shadows, knifes or anything like that in what the new spec is. Monk could suit it better, but its also a very wasted word today. Daredevil is ok, really.

daredevil doesn’t quite fit because it’s not a daring spec. if it was a high-risk class with Adrenalin perhaps, but if anything daredevils run less risk than base thief.

I’d say, since it’s a hard-hitting criminal, go with Enforcer

The more I hear peoples’ alternatives the more attractive Daredevil sounds…

ronpierce.2760:

The more I hear peoples’ alternatives the more attractive Daredevil sounds…

Yeah, because most of these alternatives are just unfitting high conceptual things worser than Dragon Hunter

looks to Master Shadow, Quickblade, Mistrunner, Quicksilver /facepalm

That are terms, there you seriously ask yourself, what kind of stuff people have smoked to come up with such names and actually believe in it, that these things would be fitting names.

The only good one from that post was Outlaw, but it absolutely doesn’t fit to the gameplay, theme and design of that Elite Specialization. It would fit to one, that is specialized on Steal and Shadow Stepping, but not on one, that is all about Evasion, Blocks and Martial Arts with a Defense Weapon like the Staff.
Outlaw is more a name, that would suit to a Thief Elite Spec, that is as said all about Steal, Shadow Stepping and using a Rifle as a ranged mobile class, it would be practicalyl the way better term to name such a Specialization, than to call it Sniper, cause its gameplay woudl be more about mobility and group support, than about hiding and killing enemies from super far distance away like a Sniper would do…

Enforcer also doen’t fit, because Thieves are no executioners, they don’t use their martials arts in order to kill people like an enforcer, whos only task it is to kill something, or to do something specific to bring something else to an end, that would otherwise continue to exist… Martial Arts are techniques for self defense, not techniques for mere execution of people… if you think that, then you have seen too much bad brain washing martial art movies…. hoewver, this is naturally a game and many people do prefer naturally to see in Martial Arts some kind of cool flashy combat moves to kill off other players in a fancy stylish way only, that they absolutely forget, what the origins are of Martial Arts…

Rogue would fit very well, if ANet woudl actualyl do somethign to improve also Steal for the Elite Specialization, like changing the Steal Skills to a different mechanic of ACTUALLY STEALING ENEMY SKILLS, like when a rogue steals from an Elementalist for example that you have then the stolen Elementalist Skill actually in your Skill bar ready for use, while the Elementalits can’t use the skill anymore, until you have used the stolen Skill…

That would actually be a real game changing element that I’d like to see for the current Thief Elite Specialization to happen, that would be not a bhuge game change,r but at least a gameplay modification for our Elite Specialization that would give as a new gameplay mechanic, that the Thief hasn’t had before.
The current Steal Skills are just random skills, nothign that you steal actually from the Skill Bar of the Player to weaken this way the enemy by not beign able to temporarely use a skill, what would be really impactful, if it should happen that a “Rogue” would successfully steal your Healing Skill for example, or your build difining Utility Skill perhaps that you were right about to use and got it stolen ,before you could use it at an important moment …

Thats the kind of mechanic improvements that our Elite Specializatino shoudl get and not jiust only a recycled Acrobatics 2.0

I’m very happy with the name, as I’ve said. I haven’t seen any alternatives yet suggested that I like more. But I’m surprised no one’s suggested something like Shadowdancer (ok, so that’s a taken class name in a tabletop, but it fits) or Staffdancer.

Just don’t go with Poledancer …

Orpheal.8263:

Enforcer also doen’t fit, because Thieves are no executioners, they don’t use their martials arts in order to kill people like an enforcer, whos only task it is to kill something, or to do something specific to bring something else to an end, that would otherwise continue to exist… Martial Arts are techniques for self defense, not techniques for mere execution of people… if you think that, then you have seen too much bad brain washing martial art movies…. hoewver, this is naturally a game and many people do prefer naturally to see in Martial Arts some kind of cool flashy combat moves to kill off other players in a fancy stylish way only, that they absolutely forget, what the origins are of Martial Arts…

I’d argue this elite spec isn’t a martial artist. they use physicals instead of stances, and there’s no indication that there’s a particular form or style to the skills. it seems more like a street-fight style weapon, with appropriate skills.

don’t know why, but this name reminds me on a vacuum…
And strangely the staff somwhow fits into this picture…

I think the two most fitting names are acrobat and monk but they can’t use them.

Acrobat because we already have acrobatics.
Monk because they are probably saving that for an actual guild wars 1 monk healer focused elite spec.

Also enforcer doesn’t really fit in my mind because when I think of the word I think of a big burly guy. Like an enforcer in hockey whose jobs is to just beat the crap out of the other team. Enforcer just doesn’t sound light on his feet like this spec seems to be.

sebradle.7034:

I think the two most fitting names are acrobat and monk but they can’t use them.

Acrobat because we already have acrobatics.
Monk because they are probably saving that for an actual guild wars 1 monk healer focused elite spec.

Also enforcer doesn’t really fit in my mind because when I think of the word I think of a big burly guy. Like an enforcer in hockey whose jobs is to just beat the crap out of the other team. Enforcer just doesn’t sound light on his feet like this spec seems to be.

I always thought of an enforcer as the power behind a high-up criminal. it could be a big muscly guy, but as long as they can put down the hurt, it could be anyone. (for some reason a lean, tonfa-wielding guy springs to mind for me, and I can’t explain why)

Monk will never return as term, for a class, because its a human only thing …
If ever something will come, that resembles of beign a monk, you have to think more outside of the box and come up with names, like “Ascetic”, which is a monk, but not one, that is driven by religious motives, but one, that is in search of inner peace and balance with himself, one that is trying to find the sense of life and that is maybe atoning for the sins that he/she has done so far in his/her life by living in exile in a shrine or temple.

Thats the kind of martial artic “shaolin” kind of concept I had for the Thief Elite Specialization always in mind, because when I heard, that thief might actually realyl receive the Staff as weapon and havign in mind the high mobile and already martial artistic agile combat moves, its the most logical thing I could think of, how a THIEF could change his life and with that practically also its complete behaviour in combat, by turning into a martial artistic monk like Ascetic that is atoning for its sins for beign earlier a thief in life doing criminal things, using instead of initiative maybe instead a different working Energy Form – Chakra with Meditations or Mantras as Utility Skill type instead of physicals, which would define the gameplay mechanics of the class.

But these hopes bursted now with the unfitting daredevil, which iosn#t about martial arts as i hoped it would be, they are more in regard of martial arts like boring dirty “Street Fighters”

Now this hope can return only maybe as next Elite Spec as one, that adds with the next wave of elite-specs for all classes a complete new weapon. because somethign like by conceptual ascetic would work only, if not with Staff, then only with Fist Weapons, like the Claw/Gauntlet

phys.7689:

well they couldnt call it gambit.

it probably should have been acrobat, but they already have a line named that.

Necro has a line called “soul reaping”, that didn’t stop them from calling the spec Reaper

Ascetic is a cool name. I was actually just thinking that they might be wary of using any names with religious connotations because of charr players. Might be why we have guardian/dragonhunter instead of paladin/inquisitor. Might be reading too much into it though.

SuinegTsol.1729:

don’t know why, but this name reminds me on a vacuum…
And strangely the staff somwhow fits into this picture…

You’re thinking Dirtdevil. :P

Rauderi.8706:

SuinegTsol.1729:

don’t know why, but this name reminds me on a vacuum…
And strangely the staff somwhow fits into this picture…

You’re thinking Dirtdevil. :P

LOL

is this a troll thread? Dragonhunter is a bad name, Daredevil is perfectly fine.

sebradle.7034:

Ascetic is a cool name. I was actually just thinking that they might be wary of using any names with religious connotations because of charr players. Might be why we have guardian/dragonhunter instead of paladin/inquisitor. Might be reading too much into it though.

Also an ascetic would never buy those fancy outfits… or even keep coins… or any other material goods…

In spanish there isn’t a decent word to say something like “Daredevil”, wich somehow implies acrobatics and physical risk aside the obvious “daring” part.

You can say “Atrevido” that literally means “Daring One” but by custom it normally applies to guys that look under skirts or make “daring attempts” to seduce ladies… so, no. You can say “Valiente” (Brave) or “Temerario” (Fearless), but they are all descriptions of someone’s personality , more than descriptions of what they DO.

In the end, the guys at the Anet localization team for spanish named the spec as “Forajido”, wich is, literally, Outlaw. It doesn’t have very much to do with the Daredevil concept… but at least it sounds ok and isn’t a particularly stupid word.

ronpierce.2760:

The more I hear peoples’ alternatives the more attractive Daredevil sounds…

Haha! Feeling the same way.

There’s a famous saying from Benjamin Franklin about criticism some of you folks need to look up.

random names
/charrr

Tempest sucks.
Dragon Hunter sucks.

Daredevil is awesome.

Reminds me of the Monkey King.

Sure. Rangers are Hawkeyes. Warriors are Wolverines. And mages are Scarlet Witches.

. . .

I’m shocked no one has made the connection between engineers and Forge yet.

Edit: Hah! My bad. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/If-Theif-Daredevil-and-Engineer-Forge

Ardenwolfe.8590:

There’s a famous saying from Benjamin Franklin about criticism some of you folks need to look up.

“Critics are our friends, they show us our faults.”

Though I’m sure you meant:

“Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain – and most fools do.”

Ardenwolfe.8590:

TimberWolph.7394:

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Sorean.5379:

Can people at least come up with an ORIGINAL and UNIQUE name before complaining?

I bet all the names you guys have in mind were already taken by other games.l

We were not asked to come up with better names. But just off the top of my head: slayer, scoundrel, shadow, vexxer, vindictive, assassin, Grenth’s choosen, Hand of Grenth, Grenth’s Shadow, haunts, Bones, demonicons, corporate lawyers. . . .

I am really glad that you’re not the one coming up with names then as to me almost all of those were really bad. Also ORIGINAL and UNIQUE. All most all of those weren’t Original or Unique

Man, there’s no need for that level of ugly. But, feel free to show me the ones off the top of your head, so I can criticize them too.

I think you miss the point … it’s not as easy to come up with the ‘cool’ names people want to see as they think it is.

Go back to the server that spawned you RP devils.

The name is god awful and ridiculous and someone at ANET needs to get fired.

Suziana.3759:

The name is god awful and ridiculous and someone at ANET needs to get fired.

That is a measured response.

I like the name.

Ish.2846:

Go back to the server that spawned you RP devils.

You mean RP daredevils, surely?

Ah, if only Tarnished Coast remained the RP haven it was. Curse you, megaserver! You blow both good and ill!

Yeah these names are great next up
Druiddragontamer
Dragonhammererereforger
but honestly the names dont matter they have no effect on gameplay as long as the builds work they could be named after numbers for all I care

Suziana.3759:

The name is god awful and ridiculous and someone at ANET needs to get fired.

Maybe players that think it’s god awful and ridiculous get banned from the game instead. It’s about as nonsensical as firing someone for elite name quality that’s already inline with the vanilla name quality we already have.

Sorry, when I head daredevil all I can think of was a stunt man.

This spec does look like the game play will be a lot of fun though but it is going to be a little off putting for me every time I see it. At least it’s not as bad as dragonhunter I suppose.

I was indifferent when I first heard that dare devil was the likely name but it’s actually grown on me. Personally I don’t really care what any of the elite names are called. At the moment, there’s just so much emphasis on the names for marketing purposes for the reveals but after HoT is released and there’s no more reveals, it won’t really matter. It will just be another trait line name like all the others.

Deadly Arts is a pretty corny name I think, but nobody mentions it or cares just because it’s just the name of a trait line. Acrobatics is kind of silly as well but again, nobody cares about the name. Once the dust settles and everything is revealed and released, it’ll settle into being just another trait line. No sense getting all up in arms about a name.

I have a name! Tumbler. I’m sure thieves would love that.

phys.7689:

well they couldnt call it gambit.

it probably should have been acrobat, but they already have a line named that.

That they nerfed the crap out and then gave it all back with daredevil. I’m quite salty about that. I love the daredevil concept but really, what the kitten! you destroy acro while you nerf all dodge stuff, but then just give it all back? really? think no one would notice?

if it’s called daredevil, why is it staff and not dual hand wands……..i mean, daredevil has two sticks, gambit is the one with a long polearm…

daredevil is a real word and was long before the comic book hero. Evel Knievel was a daredevil. It wasn’t named after the marvel hero

Tregarde.6031:

Here you go – the inspiration for the staff Daredevil:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw9vaNS3b0s

(note – put here for entertainment, not as criticism)

No way, daredevil’s staff animations aren’t NEARLY that good!