Guild Wars 2

I don’t think I’ve ever been more disappointed with ANet, especially after they could see how many people were against it. It’s just a proof they don’t really listen to the ele community at all. I was excited for the ele spec, now I’m not at all. Thanks ANet.

Laraley.7695:

I don’t think I’ve ever been more disappointed with ANet, especially after they could see how many people were against it. It’s just a proof they don’t really listen to the ele community at all. I was excited for the ele spec, now I’m not at all. Thanks ANet.

Would an autoattack chain on every mainhand not excite you? Because that’s what I’m predicting as the class feature.

How about see how frigging works before be upsetti eh?

Cecilia.5179:

Laraley.7695:

I don’t think I’ve ever been more disappointed with ANet, especially after they could see how many people were against it. It’s just a proof they don’t really listen to the ele community at all. I was excited for the ele spec, now I’m not at all. Thanks ANet.

Would an autoattack chain on every mainhand not excite you? Because that’s what I’m predicting as the class feature.

With a spec that will require you to give up something that’s probably needed? Not really no, but I’m giving up on ele.

Offhand dagger have all ele skills that actually make ele worth playing so this warhorn will be useless.

bigbobpataki.4796:

Everyone here wonders why Anet is hesitant to talk to their player base? They can’t even make an announcement without getting comments like this:

skullfaerie.7203:

Well, cringe. This will teach me to never preorder anything, ever again. Thanks, Anet. I normally don’t get particularly bothered by things in the same way other people do and don’t have many issues with most decisions Anet makes, but consider me completely and utterly disappointed (angry, upset, you name it) for the first time.

Guess I’ll start looking for a new class, then, so I can have some specialization to enjoy. Meh.

Despite us knowing nothing about the spec or what it will do. Considering how nice shield mesmer (who only received 2 new weapon skills, as opposed to the ele’s 8 ) turned out, I’m going into Thursday pretty excited. Reserve judgement till then guys, because everything we know other than the elite spec is a warhorn is 100% speculation.

So what? If they actually botehred to read the forums, they would figure out there were so many people who were against the idea of warhorn and there are so many people disappointed now. I preordered, too and I wish I wouldn’t have, a waste of money. After this I’m not really feeling like playing the class nor game, because it’s the same old stuff. I don’t care what skills warhorn has, it doesn’t matter since it won’t change the playstyle at all. Just another offhand that goes with one viable mainhand the class has. If ANet was any smart and knew something about the class, they wouldn’t have picked an offhand, sorry.

Laraley.7695:

Cecilia.5179:

Laraley.7695:

I don’t think I’ve ever been more disappointed with ANet, especially after they could see how many people were against it. It’s just a proof they don’t really listen to the ele community at all. I was excited for the ele spec, now I’m not at all. Thanks ANet.

Would an autoattack chain on every mainhand not excite you? Because that’s what I’m predicting as the class feature.

With a spec that will require you to give up something that’s probably needed? Not really no, but I’m giving up on ele.

People here are delusional thinking ANET is going to pull an amazing stunt with the Warhorn.

You better brace yourself for major disappointment. Elementalist new class feature has already been data mined and it will be singularity (after staying in an attunement for a time you can use a skill that gives minor boons to the people around you – that is it).

Now seriously, the kind of genius you have to be to promote attunement camping in the class mechanic of an off hand weapon when we don’t have anything that is good on our MH to warrant camping that attunement is baffling. I am just not sure if I am more impressed with the fact people think this will be a good idea…

Come Friday and I want to see those who will still defend this horrible idea….. get ready to be the joke specialization.

If anything this has taught me a lesson, never pre-purchase a game (unless its from CD Projekt Red, those guys are alright)

I think the specialisation class name name “Horn Blower” is what they are most concerned about.

Laraley.7695:

So what? If they actually botehred to read the forums, they would figure out there were so many people who were against the idea of warhorn and there are so many people disappointed now. I preordered, too and I wish I wouldn’t have, a waste of money. After this I’m not really feeling like playing the class nor game, because it’s the same old stuff. I don’t care what skills warhorn has, it doesn’t matter since it won’t change the playstyle at all. Just another offhand that goes with one viable mainhand the class has. If ANet was any smart and knew something about the class, they wouldn’t have picked an offhand, sorry.

Pretty much this. This is just strike two after the Golem Rush fiasco…. in which again ANET simply ignored its community because its not like they give them any money – oh wait they do but they have already given it by hastily pre-purchasing, so hahahahaha what a bunch of….

So yeah, it’s like that south park episode said, you know what you get when you pre-order a game?

Ashen.2907:

Obtena.7952:

^^ Perhaps, but if you think about it, I don’t think Anet chooses the weapons the profs get based on looks so it’s a little silly to QQ about how Warhorn is a bad choice because of looks.

To be fair, character appearance, “looks,” is a huge part of GW2.

Yes it is but it’s still not a factor when Anet decides what weapons professions get. Besides, how a particular skin looks is subjective and frankly, I don’t believe that there isn’t a single warhorn that will look good on ele; how would anyone know? Ele can’t equip one yet.

While I’m mostly in the ’let’s wait and see’ boat, I have mixed feelings about warhorn. On the one hand (Offhand lol), focus is my favourite part of the elementalist and I’d be hard pressed to give it up. So many survivability options it’s insane. I don’t think Focus will have a 4 second invuln, for instance. On the other hand, though still talking about offhands, there are so many possibilities for warhorn and I can see the devs being very creative. I mean, with a warhorn you could summon stuff, and with a magic class the possibilities there alone are endless. Could be the worst thing ever, like minions, or something amazing, like a giant stone fist that pops out of the ground and crushes foes.

We could look at warhorn as filling gaps for us too. Though staff has plenty of combo fields, aside from fire main hand/offhand weapons have none. Having a water field as a dagger wielder is huge. Though a smoke field would be terrifying.

Mmmmm My Howler thinks these tears are delicious!….. Seriously everyone crying and kittened, and I’m over here excited to play my Ele again with Warhorn. People underrate it way to much but it has a ton of potential with the Ele. So quit the kittening and wait to see what information comes out.

You should never get your hopes up from data mining, this is the exact same reason a net doesn’t announce anything until its “ready”. Unless it comes from them themselves, there’s no way one can say they didn’t deliver on what they said was coming

“Once you get people expecting one thing then give them something else, a lot of them will be annoyed”

^ that was the fault of the players. Never once did arena net say hey ele’s you’ll be getting sword. I’m sure the mesmer for example, had tons of different ideas being worked on for what weapon they will Get until the decision to Give them the shield was finalized

The players can get upset with the weapon they got because of reasons like, it doesn’t fit the class,we don’t need another off hand, sword would be so cool.. whatever. But by no means can they get upset that they didn’t get what they expected. Data mining isn’t concrete, nor is it official, and really, isn’t a legitimate way of obtaining information anyway.

It’s silly to see people getting upset they didn’t get what anet had lead them to believe was there weapon.

On another note. I’m super excited to see warhorn!!! =) nighttwin was right, we will be getting 8 new 4-5 skills. That’s still pretty awesome. And we have no idea how they will work, nor do we know what utility skill type we are getting or the synergies between the two! Don’t let that hype for ele die off just yet! We still have a lot to learn (;

Obtena.7952:

Ashen.2907:

Obtena.7952:

^^ Perhaps, but if you think about it, I don’t think Anet chooses the weapons the profs get based on looks so it’s a little silly to QQ about how Warhorn is a bad choice because of looks.

To be fair, character appearance, “looks,” is a huge part of GW2.

Yes it is but it’s still not a factor when Anet decides what weapons professions get. Besides, how a particular skin looks is subjective and frankly, I don’t believe that there isn’t a single warhorn that will look good on ele; how would anyone know? Ele can’t equip one yet.

Ehm, just check it out on your dagger/scepter + warhorn necro? You can check the skins/colors that way ._.

I was unimpressed when we found out that mesmers would get a shield, since (a) shields are lackluster at best for other profs and (b) mesmers already have 3 strong off-hands and could use a main hand besides the projectile-scepter or melee-sword.

However, now that we’ve seen the Chronomancer’s shield skills…wow. That makes for a really interesting change in the profession and I’m looking forward to trying it out.

tl;dr we shouldn’t be so quick to judge whether something is going to be good or not, based on our guesses before it’s even discussed thoroughly by ANet, let alone in the beta.

Because warhorns are lame. It doesn’t inspire combat like an off-hand sword or axe would. If i could sum it up, people don’t want a “passive” weapon.

nexxe.7081:

Because warhorns are lame. It doesn’t inspire combat like an off-hand sword or axe would. If i could sum it up, people don’t want a “passive” weapon.

What if it’s offensive? What makes it a dedicated “passive” weapon. There’s no way of knowing if it will be passive or not until they realease more information about it

Warhorns are usually passive with boons, so that’s why people don’t like them much.

People want a weapon that does actual damage, such as an axe, pistol, or a sword. We don’t know what the actual skills will be, but i seriously doubt it’s going to be anything like these other off-hand weapons. At least with the Mesmer’s shield, it does pretty amazing damage skills, but if this new warhorn is anything like current warhorns, then it’s going to be useless.

All this warhorn QQ is driving me insane. We have absolutely zero information about it… Remember mesmer shield QQ? Then they came out and showed it off and people were like “omg that’s amazing” ..

Give them the chance guys. We literally have no information to make an argument against warhorn . It could be anything. We just don’t know

Gaile Gray.6029:

I really encourage y’all to turn into Points of Interest on Friday on our Twitch channel. They’ll be showing the warhorn and skills and all that good stuff, and then you can better get a view of how it works as the Elementalist’s elite specialization.

Please guys listen to gaile, this could be amazing. Thematically I already feel it Is amazing.

Only a net can give us the information to make an argument for or against the warhorn.

They’ve already shown they have some pretty good tricks up there sleeves. Let’s give it a shot.

If its anything like this http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Stormcaller then I can be happy.

I don’t main any characters but I have a hard time playing my elementalist because dagger brings me too close and scepter feels like crap to play for me. I enjoy focus though and I’ll wait to see what the warhorn can do. I don’t care if warhorns look like kitten because my ele is asura and any weapon she wields may as well be microscopic since I can’t see it most of the time (benefit of being small?). I’m really wondering what kind of utilities and elite the spec will bring because I’m not find of any of the ones they have now. Tornado is amazing underwater but sucks on land, every elemental I’ve summoned is a troll that gets slaughtered or in pve attacks anything in eyesight, and FGS has good mobility but I rarely ever use it in combat. I tend to just keep FGS for when I need to run around, so I’m hoping the elite with this spec is pretty sweet. If everything else is good I’d probably use the elite spec with staff, assuming warhorn is a bust, but hopefully not I’ll see on Thursday/Friday.

meeflak.9714:

nexxe.7081:

Because warhorns are lame. It doesn’t inspire combat like an off-hand sword or axe would. If i could sum it up, people don’t want a “passive” weapon.

What if it’s offensive? What makes it a dedicated “passive” weapon. There’s no way of knowing if it will be passive or not until they realease more information about it

Well, i’m only speculating, based off the current warhorns in the game. There’s only 2 skills for it, and it’s obvious that the warhorn will be about blowing the horn which is probably a boon skill.

ronpierce.2760:

Gerrark.9870:

The only thing I have to say is this: has it been 100% confirmed that the warhorn will be an offhand weapon? Sure it’s likely, but I haven’t seen anything saying outright that it is.

It’s in their offhand in the art, if that counts for anything to you…

What if that girl in the art was left handed? It’s a possibility..

nexxe.7081:

meeflak.9714:

nexxe.7081:

Because warhorns are lame. It doesn’t inspire combat like an off-hand sword or axe would. If i could sum it up, people don’t want a “passive” weapon.

What if it’s offensive? What makes it a dedicated “passive” weapon. There’s no way of knowing if it will be passive or not until they realease more information about it

Well, i’m only speculating, based off the current warhorns in the game. There’s only 2 skills for it, and it’s obvious that the warhorn will be about blowing the horn which is probably a boon skill.

I disagree. For example look at ranger. It has a boon skill yes. But it also has a pure damage attack too. With a pretty cool effect

I agree that most wsrhorn stats have been passive. But we have already seen what They’ve been doing with there elite specs and the revenant as well. I think it’s very pre mature to say this will be a passive boon applying weapon .

Lets hold out till Friday before we riot.

rotten.9753:

Aenesthesia.1697:

Eles have been op for as long as i can remember. An ele can give its party might, fury, 25 stacks of vuln on the enemy, insane personal damage and terrific group damage support via icebow (fgs before the nerf). That, talking only pve.

For pvp you are the meta with your celestial and boon stacking. You can also clean conditions like its nothing so the new condiburst @holes dont even scratch you.

Meanwhile, mesmers have been lacking in pve for sometime now, and in pvp they were always a pain in the back which just got worse thanks to anets stupid love for skills with no counterplay,but it will be nerfed. I mean, no one likes fighting a guy who is not really trying to fight you, but trolling you all the same.

Short term memory then. Ele have been at trash tier, at the very bottom in pvp since dhuumfire patch to april feature pack. And it hasn’t been used in pve for over a year since the game had launched.

Also, people wanted a sword because it would most likely bring more bursty spec. So please, arguing that it’s already OP is rather moot. Not everyone is fond of the current way of playing an ele.

Before people figured how to survive with an ele,eles were not used, ok, but it was a problem with the players, not the profession. You would see groups of 5 warriors. People didnt even blast fire fields, etc etc. Dont blame the class. Right now, eles are meta in all the game modes, that should tell you something.

And what are you talking about bursty spec? Try scepter with icebow and electric storm, if you dont melt everything in your path it’s because you cast everything in the wrong place…

I just feel like the offhand options are already decent while we have pretty bad main hand weapons. I am still looking forward to changing things up, but wish it was the mainhand.

Any chance this could act like a 2 handed weapon?

5 new skills for each attunement and the first 3 skills come from the hand animation wise.

Meh the sword, like we don’t have dagger for close, scepter for mid range already. I hope warhorn and tempest mechanics will be interesting.

lulu bell.1730:

I fail to see how they can do anything creative with a warhorn that isn’t just ‘create various elemental storms’ and ‘buff nearby allies’ we have plenty of skills like that already.

Unfortunately, I agree. But we are getting Warhorn. Y.Y

meeflak.9714:

All this warhorn QQ is driving me insane. We have absolutely zero information about it… Remember mesmer shield QQ? Then they came out and showed it off and people were like “omg that’s amazing” ..

Give them the chance guys. We literally have no information to make an argument against warhorn . It could be anything. We just don’t know

Not gonna argue here since you’re right for the most part, however you’re overestimating the hype for Mesmer shield quite a bit. Two new skills with high CD aren’t that much to be excited about (although they’re not bad).
People are hyped about Continuum Shift.

Concerning weapon skills however, Elementalists are already better off with their attunement mechanics.

Btw:
Is it already confirmed that Warhorn will be offhand? Haven’t seen anyone considering it mainhand. Just saying.

Conncept.7638:

Welp, looks like we’re getting the warhorn after all. I was rooting for the sword personally.

@ANET:

Disapointed. Warhorn plain…sucks.

The Tempest specialization may or may not be good. It might even be the second coming of Jesus.

The warhorn is still very lackluster. It’s just not an interesting weapon.
It’s a poor choice, especially when there were plenty of other (better) options available.

Again, this poor choice is not related to The Tempest specialization. Tempest is not irrevocably bound to The warhorn. It might be (or not) a great specialization but is NOT sine qua non to The warhorn.

Poor choice.

tetrodoxin.2134:

meeflak.9714:

All this warhorn QQ is driving me insane. We have absolutely zero information about it… Remember mesmer shield QQ? Then they came out and showed it off and people were like “omg that’s amazing” ..

Give them the chance guys. We literally have no information to make an argument against warhorn . It could be anything. We just don’t know

Not gonna argue here since you’re right for the most part, however you’re overestimating the hype for Mesmer shield quite a bit. Two new skills with high CD aren’t that much to be excited about (although they’re not bad).
People are hyped about Continuum Shift.

Concerning weapon skills however, Elementalists are already better off with their attunement mechanics.

Btw:
Is it already confirmed that Warhorn will be offhand? Haven’t seen anyone considering it mainhand. Just saying.

No it’s not confirmed. We have no idea, again. It could even be a stand alone weapon that slots the warhorn in your off hand and has a mechanic similar to light on thief . We have no clue. I don’t see the teaser pic holding a main hand, and it does appear that the warhorn is In the off hand " left-hand" but all speculation. We just don’t know

Azel.4786:

Laraley.7695:

Cecilia.5179:

Laraley.7695:

I don’t think I’ve ever been more disappointed with ANet, especially after they could see how many people were against it. It’s just a proof they don’t really listen to the ele community at all. I was excited for the ele spec, now I’m not at all. Thanks ANet.

Would an autoattack chain on every mainhand not excite you? Because that’s what I’m predicting as the class feature.

With a spec that will require you to give up something that’s probably needed? Not really no, but I’m giving up on ele.

People here are delusional thinking ANET is going to pull an amazing stunt with the Warhorn.

You better brace yourself for major disappointment. Elementalist new class feature has already been data mined and it will be singularity (after staying in an attunement for a time you can use a skill that gives minor boons to the people around you – that is it).

Now seriously, the kind of genius you have to be to promote attunement camping in the class mechanic of an off hand weapon when we don’t have anything that is good on our MH to warrant camping that attunement is baffling. I am just not sure if I am more impressed with the fact people think this will be a good idea…

Come Friday and I want to see those who will still defend this horrible idea….. get ready to be the joke specialization.

If anything this has taught me a lesson, never pre-purchase a game (unless its from CD Projekt Red, those guys are alright)

it is truely unfortunate that we are getting warhorn, though i’m not going to say a thing during the Live Stream. Dut hopefully we will get some nice traits, good survivability 1 and a good damage 1, i mean water is alright but the traits could be so much better, and lets hope we get some good R-skills.

Veneratio.1980:

Any chance this could act like a 2 handed weapon?

5 new skills for each attunement and the first 3 skills come from the hand animation wise.

Yes this exactly. I missed this and would have replied to this . We’ve already seen this in game and could really be a cool concept if done right. We will have to wait and see. There’s no way of knowing for sure till Friday

Gaile Gray.6029:

I really encourage y’all to turn into Points of Interest on Friday on our Twitch channel. They’ll be showing the warhorn and skills and all that good stuff, and then you can better get a view of how it works as the Elementalist’s elite specialization.

We don’t dislike The specialization, we dislike The choice for The new weapon. It’s a bad choice, a poor choice. It has nothing to do with the new mechanics.

It is just that The warhorn is simply not a very interesting weapon, most players dislike it on most classes. Oh, The skills are not The issue, it is the weapon itself. It’s just not “sexy”, especially when compared to other more interesting weapons.

I think you guys failed on that (poor) choice for our weapon.

nexxe.7081:

Warhorns are usually passive with boons, so that’s why people don’t like them much.

People want a weapon that does actual damage, such as an axe, pistol, or a sword. We don’t know what the actual skills will be, but i seriously doubt it’s going to be anything like these other off-hand weapons. At least with the Mesmer’s shield, it does pretty amazing damage skills, but if this new warhorn is anything like current warhorns, then it’s going to be useless.

Look at what your saying though. You countered your own argument. Shield on most classes is defensive is it not? Very low dps if any. And here we have chronomancer with a spec that will have the shield doing a good chunk of damage.

They took a passive weapon . Made it dps . There’s nothing saying the same can’t be done for the ele and warhorn.

Bio Flame.4276:

Gaile Gray.6029:

I really encourage y’all to turn into Points of Interest on Friday on our Twitch channel. They’ll be showing the warhorn and skills and all that good stuff, and then you can better get a view of how it works as the Elementalist’s elite specialization.

We don’t dislike The specialization, we dislike The choice for The new weapon. It’s a bad choice, a poor choice. It has nothing to do with the new mechanics.

It is just that The warhorn is simply not a very interesting weapon, most players dislike it on most classes. Oh, The skills are not The issue, it is the weapon itself. It’s just not “sexy”, especially when compared to other more interesting weapons.

I think you guys failed on that (poor) choice for our weapon.

“Our” weapon isn’t a fair thing to say. Neither is “we” Thematically the warhorn has the ability to fit perfectly with a tempest. Storm caller. Whatever. And it’s “appeal” is going to be relative to the individual. If this weapon does some pretty awesome stuff then hey. Its awesome

And please tell us. What you mean by " New mechanics" what new mechanics do you know of that this particular warhorn will be synergizing with ?

We have no clue…… We don’t know…. It’s very un reasonable to say this weapon doesn’t work with game mechanics, and should not be called poor till Friday

Gaile Gray.6029:

I really encourage y’all to turn into Points of Interest on Friday on our Twitch channel. They’ll be showing the warhorn and skills and all that good stuff, and then you can better get a view of how it works as the Elementalist’s elite specialization.

Countdown for heartbreak…. this spec will blow and turn into the HoT joke….

i will say, i think warhorn sucks as a weapon. I am going to make an exotic 1, and sell the stuff i had to make swords (60g in the pocket). The thing i want 2 know is what r-skills are we going to get, i can’t say my build will be good going into tempest (Y.Y) even if it has the 10%+ buff in it.

Gaile Gray.6029:

I really encourage y’all to turn into Points of Interest on Friday on our Twitch channel. They’ll be showing the warhorn and skills and all that good stuff, and then you can better get a view of how it works as the Elementalist’s elite specialization.

Oh, don’t worry, we’ll be watching

I just personally don’t see anything that could compensate for the horrid weapon we’re getting. Heck, even if the specialization turned the Ele into some kind of amazing superpowered ball of fire and lightning that just nukes everything, this would still not be okay. No matter how amazing the rest of the specialization might be, it is still a lame warhorn. It’s not even a joke weapon, it’s just… unappealing. Clunky. Boring. And oh my, is it ugly. I do not want a weapon that produces noises like “toot”. “Toot”. No. Just no.

skowcia.8257:

Well reason for rev to gain in combat weapon swap was the ability to switch between close and range combat. At this point ele should have weapon swap as well to get that luxury too.

Would that make them op? Absolutely, not like they arent op at all right now. Solution? Rebalance with weapon swap in mind. A lot of work for devs? Nobody care, balance is their job after all.

Or a much simpler solution; rebalance the attunements so that each weapon has some melee and some ranged depending on your attunement. This would be vastly easier to balance than the complete overhaul needed to give eles weapon swaps. Or fix conjures so that they are useful and give us access to different ranges at will.

Also, saying nobody cares about the workload for devs is an extremely ignorant statement. While it is absolutely their jobs to balance the classes, the actual process of balancing still takes an enormous amount of time. As a programmer myself I can tell you that rebalancing things in games like this is not nearly as simple as just changing a few values. So while you might be apathetic to the devs workload, you need to remember that the more complex the solution, the longer it will take to get done and the more likely it is to be imbalanced.

We need the simplest solution to the ele range issue, and giving eles weapon swaps is not even close to a simple solution when you consider the massive work and time that would need to be done. If you want more diversity in the range of your weapons then come up with a solution that would not take months of concentrated effort just to implement, and then even longer to balance.

To be honest: I loved the idea of warhorn. I felt warhorn was underestimated and only thought as a supportive weapon, but now with the Tempest announcement I’m pretty glad ArenaNet is taking this wep to a whole new level with the awesomeness of the elementalists. Thanks a lot ArenaNet and I’m pretty excited for Thursday and Friday, can’t wait to see my main profession elite spec in action!!!!!!!!

Zalladi.4652:

In all seriousness though, elementalist is my 2nd main and I welcome the warhorn, knowing that it will bring 8 new weapon skills (I’m assuming ele’s will be able to swap attunement with it).

Whatever new weapon we got was going to give us minimum 8 new skills so I’m failing to see how that has anything to do with warhorn itself.

i’m just curious what it will bring to the equation that isn’t covered by other off hand weapons. with reaper, it was obvious, with dragonhunter, also obvious, chronomancer…yeah i don’t know. ele’s sort of have a weapon for everything at this point already.

Lightsbane.9012:

i’m just curious what it will bring to the equation that isn’t covered by other off hand weapons. with reaper, it was obvious, with dragonhunter, also obvious, chronomancer…yeah i don’t know. ele’s sort of have a weapon for everything at this point already.

No good ranged single target weapon.

GlitchyBat.3682:

Heart Attunement or bust

This!!!!!

No heart is fail.

Sword was the only chance I was going to get the expo as a PvP ele player. Sorry to those of you who did, I’ll see you guys around as that classic d/d cele arc/water/X ele were all still going to be.