Guild Wars 2

Nike.2631:

I’ve had 3 years to work on world completion, and 9+ months knowing it’d be relevant — thought actually I picked up about 55 points in the last 2 days.

I’ll likely look around a little longer today and start getting my Daredevil worked up while the maps are still flooded with people.

The system needs to be set up with new players and alts in mind i.e. what an MMO thrives on.

Yea…. id LOVE to try reaper but…. looks like ill have to play through the entire kitten game before I get to what?… replay it with the spec I want?….. just stupid

I’m not saying I approve of the system… Just that in a game you play for years you can make a surprising amount of progress in a single day.

I’m quite mindful that I need to get 2-3 more characters done QUICKLY while I can still roll up on a Champ and 2 Vets solo and expect someone to dive in before I die.

Nike.2631:

I’m quite mindful that I need to get 2-3 more characters done QUICKLY while I can still roll up on a Champ and 2 Vets solo and expect someone to dive in before I die.

haha +1

This post is a reply to those who complain about the new hero point requirements.

It has now been 18 hours since the launch of new expansion, and I have already unlocked everything in reaper – every skill and trait there is – for my necro through exploring the new content without guides to help. So I really dont understand why there’s so much whining here about the hero point requirements. Except that some people have been writing before they think or they actually didn’t even try the game themselves, or that some people just want to have everything without any effort.

It was fun and relatively quick to gather all the required hero points by running around and exploring the new areas. I’d even call it “playing the game”…. geez.
Remember It still is only the first night of expansion! So go spend some time ingame, enjoy the content and just relax, Have fun! You’ll get your hero points in no time.

:-)

Jinn.7143:

This post is a reply to those who complain about the new hero point requirements.

It has now been 18 hours since the launch of new expansion, and I have already unlocked everything in reaper – every skill and trait there is – for my necro through exploring the new content without guides to help. So I really dont understand why there’s so much whining here about the hero point requirements. Except that some people have been writing before they think or actually try the game themselves, or some people just want to have everything without any effort.

It was fun and relatively quick to gather all the required hero points by running around and exploring the new areas. I’d even call it “playing the game”…. geez.
Remember It still is only the first night of expansion! So go spend some time ingame, enjoy the content and just relax, Have fun! You’ll get your hero points in no time.

:-)

k

do it with 10 more characters and tell me when you’re done.

kthxbye

:-)

I played for over 10 hours and for me wasnt fun atall:

• i hate the new map,its just a huge jumping puzzle and i hate jumping puzzles
• i dont like atall the fact that i have to unlock masteries to advance in sthe story
• and to unlock masteries i have to farm events
• Hero Points farming in WvW its an agony…3 hours of zerging for litterally nothing
• Hero Points farming in the new maps…need masteries to kittening jump from a tree to an other…ofc if its not a kittening champion + 4 elite adds on a 2 inch platform 345463545 Km up in the sky.
• The new map gave me just frustration and an headache.

I have 8 characters….if u expect me to do this BS 7 more times to unlock the elites…u are dead wrong.Its not goning to happend.

Jinn.7143:

This post is a reply to those who complain about the new hero point requirements.

It has now been 18 hours since the launch of new expansion, and I have already unlocked everything in reaper – every skill and trait there is – for my necro through exploring the new content without guides to help. So I really dont understand why there’s so much whining here about the hero point requirements. Except that some people have been writing before they think or they actually didn’t even try the game themselves, or that some people just want to have everything without any effort.

It was fun and relatively quick to gather all the required hero points by running around and exploring the new areas. I’d even call it “playing the game”…. geez.
Remember It still is only the first night of expansion! So go spend some time ingame, enjoy the content and just relax, Have fun! You’ll get your hero points in no time.

:-)

Now how long till you get a fully unlocked Herald?

ilMasa.2546:

I played for over 10 hours and for me wasnt fun atall:

• i hate the new map,its just a huge jumping puzzle and i hate jumping puzzles
• i dont like atall the fact that i have to unlock masteries to advance in sthe story
• and to unlock masteries i have to farm events
• Hero Points farming in WvW its an agony…3 hours of zerging for litterally nothing
• Hero Points farming in the new maps…need masteries to kittening jump from a tree to an other…ofc if its not a kittening champion + 4 elite adds on a 2 inch platform 345463545 Km up in the sky.
• The new map gave me just frustration and an headache.

I have 8 characters….if u expect me to do this BS 7 more times to unlock the elites…u are dead wrong.Its not goning to happend.

You explained it better than I ever could. Completely 100% what I felt this first day

Elite specs should cost the same 60hp like any other line under the condition that it is unlockable only after the core lines are achieved.

This would be fair, totally realistic when you have a lot of characters to work on and hell its is what we are used to anyways with the core lines so continue the trend F-F_S

How the heck are we suppose to get 400 HP for unlocking an elite specialization? That is a huge number that would take weeks, if not months to get. I hear that people have unlocked it, but I don’t even know if there is that many Hero Points in the core game.

leftyboy.9358:

Wow. so basically the official word is that the many many pages of people who are complaining about this should just shut up? Also confirming that people who have played for 16 hrs still shouldn’t have their elites unlocked? Well that just kittens me off.

Referenced from dev post under topic
elite specializations – how many hero points [Merged]

Just thought this particular dev post deserved it’s own topic.

So the new content and Specs that Anet has worked on for at least a year can’t be blown through in under 16 hours? You are surprised that an ELITE spec takes a modicum of effort?

It’s entirely logical that they paced progression. People would be complaining that there was nothing to do in a week or two otherwise. which may still happen.

I would like to unlock the elite specs as ell on my 25 80s, but I don’t mind getting some playtime out of the product I paid for while doing so.

400 hero points seems like way too much. i want to use my elite specialization and do the HoT content but i cant do that if have to level up a kitten ton of mastery scales just to get some hero points…. and the hero points are hard af to get to. if you do change it make it so all the hero points you spent before still count twards to 200. please anet.

Pretty Pixie.8603:

So the new content and Specs that Anet has worked on for at least a year can’t be blown through in under 16 hours? You are surprised that an ELITE spec takes a modicum of effort?

It’s entirely logical that they paced progression. People would be complaining that there was nothing to do in a week or two otherwise. which may still happen.

I would like to unlock the elite specs as ell on my 25 80s, but I don’t mind getting some playtime out of the product I paid for while doing so.

So playtime nowadays comes from hiding content behind some meaningless and stupid walls, i get it.
Why should i have fun exploring the new maps with the new classes progressing the story as i move forward when all i ever wanted is grinding the same events over and over again to get a higher mastery tier while chasing after the next hero points to only burn through all the existing pve content?

Want to explore the new classes? You better have done world completion before or have fun chasing after hero points.
Oh i can’t complete all hero points in one go because somebody somewhere thought that grinding 1+ mio exp multiple times adds to the fun of exploring the new content.
But whatever there is also a new story to be experienced. Oh wait i have to grind again, nice.

In the end the mastery and hero point grind will only artificially extend the content comming with HoT. There is nothing progressive about it, it just stops the player every few hours with some magical grind walls so that you can proudly present a higher number of hours necessary to complete everything.

Pretty Pixie.8603:

leftyboy.9358:

Wow. so basically the official word is that the many many pages of people who are complaining about this should just shut up? Also confirming that people who have played for 16 hrs still shouldn’t have their elites unlocked? Well that just kittens me off.

Referenced from dev post under topic
elite specializations – how many hero points [Merged]

Just thought this particular dev post deserved it’s own topic.

So the new content and Specs that Anet has worked on for at least a year can’t be blown through in under 16 hours? You are surprised that an ELITE spec takes a modicum of effort?

It’s entirely logical that they paced progression. People would be complaining that there was nothing to do in a week or two otherwise. which may still happen.

I would like to unlock the elite specs as ell on my 25 80s, but I don’t mind getting some playtime out of the product I paid for while doing so.

Nope the minute they used the elite specs as a marketing argument to boost the sell of HoT we are in right to be able to use them to full extent not long after the game release and that even without he core map 100% completion.

If you lock a major selling and marketing argument that attracted people to HoT and you deny them the right to play with it because “it is supposed to be progression” and it take a very long time to casual players to unlock and enjoy well you get the kittenstorm of biblical proportion currently on the forums.

Other games that promised stuff and didnt deliver for Instance MWO is struggling to keep its head above the waterline, HoT could and if not already badly damaged our view and Anet reputation when it come to hype, promises and what we actually get, content is one thing but denying a feature already fully implemented and fonctionnal is plain wrong.

Definitely against 200 points. There is absolutely no issue in experiencing the game while collecting points for your elite spec. There is a 0% chance you will get it for 200

Anet, let people have fun please, this restriction is killing!!
What happened to the “non-grinding for core elements” philosophy?

hurrado.2346:

ZombieLeach.5862:

I understand people’s frustration, the game has been out about a day shouldn’t you have everything already? It’s what Anet has done in the past; why not now? 400 hero points should be like 40, right? To be real, I expected this hate outburst. Anet adds harder content and everyone who just wants their stuff now crawls out of the woodwork. Just chill. You have a right to complain but senseless hate won’t help. Make suggestions, offer solutions, and try to make the experience better for everyone not worse with venom. :/

No, you don’t understand the frustration, the problem is forced map completion, which to many players is a grind because they play different game modes. And even many who enjoy map completion would like to enjoy the new zones as the elite specs.

All the elitist attitudes of: “well you better work hard” on a game is ridiculous. Most players are here to have fun, not get frustrated because they are gated from enjoying a core part of the game.

Jobs in real life are for hard work, a game is for relaxation, fun with friends, and get what you payed for, not a frustration bucket. As a primarily wvw and pvp player I was banging my head against my desk just trying to figure out the new zone, not even getting hero points yet, because it took me so long and I was so frustrated at the specs being locked behind masteries on top of map completion which I hate. (there is a reason the most map completion I have on any character is 20%.)

Besides the fact that I’m not an elitist (I’m a casual pve/rper with 12 characters, and a full time job) the points I was trying to make are these:

1. Venom and anger help no one and do nothing but damage the overall community and alienate those that enjoy what you hate.
2. The expansion just launched, give it time. I’m sure they’ll change most everything within the next few days due to feedback. Slow your roll and speak up in a constructive manner, not destructive.
3. You have a right to complain, BUT offer solutions that would make your preferred game mode more enjoyable. This makes your posts more enjoyable to read by the devs and gives them ideas for positive changes. Saying, “I hate __!” tells them nothing; something like, “I would like _ changed to _ because of __!” says a lot more and offers what you consider is an acceptable change.

p.s. I’ll end this post with and apology. I added venom to this thread which was not my intention. I read posts on my phone, at work, during a break and the venom irritated me so I got sarcastic and over simplified my points due to lack of time.

maybe for PVE for wvw it will take 50-100+ hours per character lol

Amaya.1483:

Definitely against 200 points. There is absolutely no issue in experiencing the game while collecting points for your elite spec. There is a 0% chance you will get it for 200

Amaya, I don’t know what type of player are you (PvE, WvW, GvG or mix). This elite spec will take FOREVER for every character you have, this will affect the GvG and WvW negatively.

Gathslan.1870:

Playing the game is not a grind, you are not repeating a process again and again, there is thought put into the content.

What do you want, to just afk in lions arch or what?

grind·ing/??r?ndiNG/
adjective
(of a state) oppressive, tedious, and seemingly without end.

You need masteries for certain hero points, you need to do repetitive content to get the million exp you need for certain mastery. So yeah, it is grinding that’s reaching critical Korean MMO mass. LVL 1 mastery is ok, with it’s 500k exp needed, then lvl 2 is 1 million exp, level 3 is 2 million exp. Events give 16k exp. They should have keep it at a flat 500k exp for each ranks, like it was always the case for GW1 and GW2. The fact that you also need to unlock masteries in a certain order is against Anet’s “play as you like” thinking.

60 hp like any other lines under the condition that you unlock all core lines first.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Sorry but everyone who complains about the “endless grind” and “forcing me to do xy”, please, please think before you post. Have you ever played a MMO before? Do you want everything for free with no efford in it in no time? Do you think the word forcing is appropriate related to experiencing a expension? just WOW

400 Points. Period. Thanks

Do Hero Challenges on the really empty maps.

The only good thing about this grind is that I’ll never buy another copy of HoT for my 2nd account. – which I intended before.
I prefer spending my money on things I like and I don’t like running another 5 toons through pve to play on another server.
I’m not sure if even half of my main accounts toons will ever have 400 points..

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Spurrlock.3219:

The common denominator is not “I don’t want to play to unlock this,” its “I don’t want to grind masteries for 20+ hours and burn through new PvE content to enjoy the rest of the game with new elite specs,” such as dungeons, fractals, wvw, etc.

Example:

• When you create a new character, do you expect to go off and kill Zhaitan at level 1?
• In real life, do you expect to register for college, and walk away with a 4 year degree on your first day of school?

Simply play the game. HoT is an expansion that offers new skills. Logically, your character would need to learn and master the new skills, not just walk around and instantly become Elite. If you really want to get those new skills, you gotta earn them.

Your examples are flat out stupid and do not reflect my feelings towards the road to elite specs. I have no problem having to earn the new skills. My problem is with the process in place. I’ll elaborate below.

Bellatrixa.3546:

Spurrlock.3219:

The common denominator is not “I don’t want to play to unlock this,” its “I don’t want to grind masteries for 20+ hours and burn through new PvE content to enjoy the rest of the game with new elite specs,” such as dungeons, fractals, wvw, etc.

Only because playing the content has somehow become ‘grind’. I’ve spent my time taking part in events, earning rewards and my masteries level as a result. Is that not how it’s meant to work? If I was going to get everything maxed as soon as the game went live, or in the 20+ hours quoted, I’d have seen it as an epic waste of money as imo a game is there to be played over a long period of time. I don’t care that I’ve not maxed my Reaper traits and all masteries in one day, means there’s more stuff for me to do tomorrow. No one’s putting a gun to anyone’s head and saying ‘sit there for however long it takes and don’t move until these things are maxed’. If you’re bored of working on traits, do some Halloween, do some fractals, do some WvW. It’s not like there’s a shortage of stuff to do in game (or out of it and trust me, there is an outside world!).

I too wish to milk the content for a long period of time, to enjoy it. I play all the content gw2 has to offer. The problem is that I want to enjoy this content with new elite specs. This is paramount to understanding why so many people are dissatisfied: we want to play the elite specs.

Because of this, “just do some fractals or wvw or go play tennis if you get bored with masteries” – that argument right there doesnt work because I’ve done all of those things for years now and I would like to spice it up with elite specs.

No one’s putting a gun to my head but I’m definitely being forced to complete a large portion of the jungle before the rest of the content. And that sucks because I’m loving the jungle. Its beautiful and awesome and I want to take my time with it, but more than that I want to be able to use elite specs because that effects every other stream of gw2 content, so it looks like I’m rushing the jungle.

In a perfect world I could enjoy the jungle with my elite spec, instead being forced to (nearly) complete the jungle if I want to use that elite spec in dungeons, fractals, wvw, and guild halls.

Amaya.1483:

Sorry but everyone who complains about the “endless grind” and “forcing me to do xy”, please, please think before you post. Have you ever played a MMO before? Do you want everything for free with no efford in it in no time? Do you think the word forcing is appropriate related to experiencing a expension? just WOW

Been playing Gw2 for 3 years before HoT, does it counts?

Now Elite specs that are a major feature and the main reason i actually invested 50$ in the expansion is being locked behind a huge unlock cost and masteries since the core game is not enough to play it. Yes they are forcing me into the new content to unlock the elite specs while i should be going through the new content while enjoying the elite spec.
It is a subtle nuance but it is the difference between “Anet nice try on the expansion” and “Anet, the kitten are multiplying on your forums and it seems to be out of control”.

Amaya.1483:

Sorry but everyone who complains about the “endless grind” and “forcing me to do xy”, please, please think before you post. Have you ever played a MMO before? Do you want everything for free with no efford in it in no time? Do you think the word forcing is appropriate related to experiencing a expension? just WOW

So doing hero points for 30+ hours is fun and challenging for players after the leveled their character from lvl 1 to 80 or what?
And please stop using this stupid argument about “but every mmo did it the same way”-bullkitten.

shagwell.1349:

The only good thing about this grind is that I’ll never buy another copy of HoT for my 2nd account. – which I intended before.
I prefer spending my money on things I like and I don’t like running another 5 toons through pve to play on another server.
I’m not sure if even half of my main accounts toons will ever have 400 points..

Don’t be so hasty to judge. The expansion has been out less than a day at this point so there are some balance issues that inevitably need to be ironed out. Anet has a tendency to dial things back so give it time. In the mean time, how many points do you thin would be adequate for the Elite Specializations?

The thing is, Its cristal clear to me that they didn’t have alts on their minds when they choose the HP cost for the Elite Specs. Sure, 400hp it’s not so hard… for your main: you’ll have 200+ from good old Tyria so you’ll need only 20 Challenges to complete the spec…

But if you take alts on consideration:

- What if I have a warrior sitting on 214 unused HP, another warrior with 30 free hp… and it’s the latter the one designed to be Berserker? must I unlock berserker on my tanky-hammer warrior just because it’s going to be hell on my condition damage one?

- Do you really expect us to play the new maps and challenges, and the old maps too, with ALL OUR ALTS?… insane

ZombieLeach.5862:

Don’t be so hasty to judge. The expansion has been out less than a day at this point so there are some balance issues that inevitably need to be ironed out. Anet has a tendency to dial things back so give it time. In the mean time, how many points do you thin would be adequate for the Elite Specializations?

The mistake is soul binding the elites. Just let us unlock them with our ACCOUNT rather than with our individual alts. Same cost but payable with the HP stored on the whole account.

Considering that I’ve been playing this game since launch I would be highly irritated if this new expansion would only be 16 hours worth of content to unlock everything.

Instant gratification is all that matters to some people it seems… You want a big red ‘Click here for everything’ button next to the first waypoint?

Oh, and I have 10 (11 now with the Revenant) level 80 characters, but I’m not complaining.

ZombieLeach.5862:

shagwell.1349:

The only good thing about this grind is that I’ll never buy another copy of HoT for my 2nd account. – which I intended before.
I prefer spending my money on things I like and I don’t like running another 5 toons through pve to play on another server.
I’m not sure if even half of my main accounts toons will ever have 400 points..

Don’t be so hasty to judge. The expansion has been out less than a day at this point so there are some balance issues that inevitably need to be ironed out. Anet has a tendency to dial things back so give it time. In the mean time, how many points do you thin would be adequate for the Elite Specializations?

Make it 60 like the rest under the condition that you need to unlock the core lines first. For 1 character it would take a short time to accomplish, would make it totally fair in the case of the Revenants and would push allow players to work on their alternative characters that way.

For the time required to farm 400 points for a single character, you would be able to do it on 3 characters for the same amount of effort, making it much more realistic and allowing players to enjoy a much hype feature about the HoT.

Aveneo.2068:

Considering that I’ve been playing this game since launch I would be highly irritated if this new expansion would only be 16 hours worth of content to unlock everything.

Instant gratification is all that matters to some people it seems… You want a big red ‘Click here for everything’ button next to the first waypoint?

Oh, and I have 10 (11 now with the Revenant) level 80 characters, but I’m not complaining.

I’m happy when i meet my goal but you guys only seem to care about how long it took you. “Only 10 hours for doing it. No fun at all!!11!”

My journey starts when i can experiment with the new classes not when i’m done fully unlocking them.

Schtizzel.5497:

Aveneo.2068:

Considering that I’ve been playing this game since launch I would be highly irritated if this new expansion would only be 16 hours worth of content to unlock everything.

Instant gratification is all that matters to some people it seems… You want a big red ‘Click here for everything’ button next to the first waypoint?

Oh, and I have 10 (11 now with the Revenant) level 80 characters, but I’m not complaining.

I’m happy when i meet my goal but you guys only seem to care about how long it took you. “Only 10 hours for doing it. No fun at all!!11!”

My journey starts when i can experiment with the new classes not when i’m done fully unlocking them.

Oh cry me a river…

Spurrlock.3219:

No one’s putting a gun to my head but I’m definitely being forced to complete a large portion of the jungle before the rest of the content. And that sucks because I’m loving the jungle. Its beautiful and awesome and I want to take my time with it, but more than that I want to be able to use elite specs because that effects every other stream of gw2 content, so it looks like I’m rushing the jungle.

In a perfect world I could enjoy the jungle with my elite spec, instead being forced to (nearly) complete the jungle if I want to use that elite spec in dungeons, fractals, wvw, and guild halls.

I feel more or less the same way. When I played through the story, I waited months locking myself out of anything vaguely story related until they fixed it after the NPE changes so that I wouldn’t ruin the experience for myself, then when going through it talked to every NPC, exhausted the entire dialogue of each, and stopped occasionally just to savor it.

With the way that this is structured, locking class mechanics designed to fix holes in the base classes behind going through multiple maps, thus forcing a mad dash through it in order to get the points to play the class I want to play though HoT with really ruined any sense of atmosphere. I finally finished it, but now I’m familiar with more than half of the maps in the expansion.

The hero point gating completely ruined half of the open world form me by turning it into a scavenger hunt instead of an adventure that I can go through at my own pace for its own sake. If they’d given my the option, I’d have just secluded myself in PvP to avoid spoiling it until I had everything that I needed to play through in a continuous way, but SPvP was given no methods with which to progress masteries or skill points.

The whole idea that we were sold the game on was that the game was supposed to be enjoyable to play because it’s fun, not so that we could prepare to have fun and then have fun after.

I’ve got 55 Points left to fully complete my elite spec.

12 hours in total – Just ran around with Commanders and got my levels for masteries. Hero Point Farmed with my two friends.

I find PvE VERY boring but I just gritted my teeth and stuck a bunch of movies on my 2nd monitor.

By the way, these WvW “coins” you get which you can trade for Hero Points, you get a random amount per level between 2-5 each time. So it’s not too bad.

logan.5846:

The saddest thing of all is that many of the elite specs aren’t worth the trouble. For the amount of time & effort required they should be total game changers, but unless you’re a Necro, Mesmer or Revenant, they’re more of a novelty than a necessity.

Yeah, that’s why I’m not going to bother unlocking druid on my ranger main. Druid is just not worth it to me atm.

However, revenant feels very incomplete without Herald so I’m going to have to grind that one. And I really want reaper for my necro. sighs

To have to do both mastery grind and hp grind is horribly dull. I’m ok with the mastery thing, but the 400 pt requirement for the elite spec is just too much. And it doesn’t help that many of the hp in the new maps are either a pain to get to, you need a certain mastery for it, and/or they are champions that require a group. Not cool Anet, not cool at all. What’s going to happen when the map inevitably empties out and someone wants to run an alt through?

Gaile Gray.6029:

First, thank you for saying, in your first sentence, my very thoughts: “It’s been less than 16 hours, and that’s ’forever?” Secondly, thanks for a smile. I’d love to see the statue that goes with that award.

Well, all I have to say about this quote is that I’ve received infractions for being half that sarcastic, talk about double standards. I guess pointing that out will get me banned. Whatever your personal feelings are as you’ve said many times being this outright dismissive of peoples concerns isn’t the way to get ones point across but i guess from that you’re telling everyone that’s pretty much Anet’s view on all this, sad really. I guess you’re tired and frustrated well after 3 hours and one skill credit so am I and so are many others!

There aren’t enough of them to get 400 points. In fact, I saw on the wiki that there is only 213 of them. Nearly all of those were used to get the regular traits. That would mean that you would have to get 300 to 400 hero points in the Maguuma Jungle. In other words, you would just about have to complete it before opening any elite specializations. They made a big deal about the elite specializations, and I won’t be able to get any of them for months, or longer considering I have a life outside of this game.

I’m adding my 5 cents worth on this argument because everyone else is, and I want something to change. The amount of work required to unlock our elite spec is absolutely a joke.

We have to play almost 80% of the new HoT content as old spec characters before we can completely unlock our elite spec, by which time we’ve finished all the content and have a brand new shiny elite spec’d character to.. what? Farm SW with apparently, coz we’ve finished all the new HoT content. And no, this does not make me self entitled as a lot of you seem to think. I didn’t expect to log into game and have instant elite spec unlocked, however, I also didn’t want to have to do all the new content as old classes. I wanted to play the new shiny content as a new shiny elite spec, is that so much to ask?

I’m fine with having to do some work to unlock the elite specs, but 400 hero points? Considering world map completion gives us 214, thats half way there. You could do the 40 available jungle challenges, but most of them are gated behind masteries. Now I love the mastery system and I think its brilliant, but the fact we have to unlock masteries just to be able to unlock core elite skills is just absurd.

For those of you who say “its all anets way of increasing the lvl cap”, wrong. Masteries is anets way of endgame progression, in other words, “increasing the level cap”, but elite specialisations is not. It is a new way of playing our characters, but unfortunately its gated behind all the other content we have to unlock first.

So much of what Anet has done in this xpac is very cutting edge, forward thinking ideas for MMORPGs, changing the concept of what it is to play an MMO, but unfortunately the way elite specs are unlocked is a huge backward step for Anet and I am hugely disappointed with it.

Once again, just to reiterate, I don’t expect it handed to me, I just dont want to spend weeks completing content just to unlock it, I want to unlock it so i can spend weeks completing content as a new exciting elite spec.

TLDR; I really, really do not think it is too much to ask to be able to play the new shiny content as a new shiny elite spec’d class. and I really, really hope that Anet see the error their ways in this and do something about it.

Hilarious. There are people who have already unlocked elite specs, THE FIRST DAY, and still others are complaining it will take way too long… news flash guys, if people have done it in 16 hours, you can do it in little more than a week by putting in a measly 2 hours a day… Not shocked that people are whining though, it’s as predictable as the sun coming up in the morning.

Andred.1087:

Hilarious. There are people who have already unlocked elite specs, THE FIRST DAY, and still others are complaining it will take way too long… news flash guys, if people have done it in 16 hours, you can do it in little more than a week by putting in a measly 2 hours a day… Not shocked that people are whining though, it’s as predictable as the sun coming up in the morning.

I have to sacrifice my 2 daily hours i leave myself for gaming for a whole week to get 1 elite spec on 1 character? Sounds nice for a non grindy game like GW2.

okay, so it’s known the elite specs require an obscene amount of hero points. I expected it to be a higher amount, 400? not so much, nor did i expect them to be so incredibly frustrating to get. as someone who is completely uninterested in pve, I sort of feel looked over here. having to go through de facto jumping puzzles (made easier by masteries, sure) to get to a really obscure place to complete an activity to get 10 hero points OR do normal world completion (yeah, i hate pve. No.), it’s a bit annoying how much longer it will take to complete an elite spec in wvw compared to pve.

At 5 cents it’s overpriced!

Can’t believe the whinging around today. Glad it takes a little bit of work to achieve things. If it was too easy people would be kittening in a week that they had finished. Anet can’t win.

Personally……love what they’ve made.

I don’t think there is anything wrong with heavily gating the Elite Spec, but I certainly think that by additionally gating it with particular PvE content behind a paywall is a very poor design decision – as it goes against the ‘play your own way, in your own time’ design of the previous three years.

Some people at Anet should be losing considerable sleep tonight.

Veneratio.1980:

At 5 cents it’s overpriced!

Can’t believe the whinging around today. Glad it takes a little bit of work to achieve things. If it was too easy people would be kittening in a week that they had finished. Anet can’t win.

Personally……love what they’ve made.

Please.

I’m finished already, and I’m not complaining that it was too fast, I’m complaining that it burned me out to the point where I don’t want to play the new maps anymore.

Your end quote and beginning quote need to match. You’re messing up the combination somewhere and it’s causing this result.

Gaile Gray.6029:

DarcShriek.5829:

The mastery system as only been available for 15 hours. Your complaining about it being forever is just pure over dramatization. Congratulations on being awarded the William Shatner award for dramatic excellence.

First, thank you for saying, in your first sentence, my very thoughts: “It’s been less than 16 hours, and that’s ’forever?” Secondly, thanks for a smile. I’d love to see the statue that goes with that award.

All you PVE’ers been doing since Silverwatse came out is grind that map for hours on end yet you come to complain about grinding new content. LOL