Guild Wars 2

khani.4786:

An interesting thought from Reddit “This makes sense if the theory of Braham picking up Eirs longbow, being the first Dragon Hunter, following his Ranger of a mothers footsteps. In a way, it brings Rangers and Guardians closer together.”

So if that is true, then longbow + traps makes sense. And the name would be because Braham is now focused on taking out Mordremoth and the other dragons.

From a story stand point, that is quite cool, but still a bit of a duffer when it comes to the specialisation name.

tramwajarz.2369:

Zealot, Herald, Warden, Legolas… so many better names than… this.

I’d like to know who is personally responsible for choosing this name.

Oh I like Herald and Warden. Warden especially. That’s perfect.

BrotherBelial.3094:

khani.4786:

An interesting thought from Reddit “This makes sense if the theory of Braham picking up Eirs longbow, being the first Dragon Hunter, following his Ranger of a mothers footsteps. In a way, it brings Rangers and Guardians closer together.”

So if that is true, then longbow + traps makes sense. And the name would be because Braham is now focused on taking out Mordremoth and the other dragons.

From a story stand point, that is quite cool, but still a bit of a duffer when it comes to the specialisation name.

Im just thinking outloud here, feel free to jump in:

Kas is a Mesmer, Human. Logan is a Human Guardian (right hes a guardian?) Mesmer gets a Shield, a heretofore guardian weapon

Brahm is a guardian, his mother Eir a ranger. Guardians get a heretofor Ranger weapon.

Majory is a Necromancer. Her sister was a Warrior. Necromancer get the warrior weapon par excelance’

Can anyone do this for Rox or Taimi?

lordkrall.7241:

Why do people keep talking about the name being cliche?

How is Warrior, Ranger and Engineer any less cliche?

I suppose those three are more archetypal, yet less likely to be plastered across a fantasy novel cover as a title meant to get buyers to pick up the book.

I like the suggestion of Dragonbane instead. True, it’s also a “book title” name, but it flows better and sounds more deadly. The French Draconnier (spelling?) likewise is nifty. It would be a real testament to ANet’s willingness to incorporate player feedback if they revise the elite name, as I believe by the time they reveal the spec they’re fairly locked in on things like that.

As far as the gameplay of the spec, well. Before beta I was sure Guardian would be my least favorite class. It looked so dull to me, so paladin-y. Yet once I played it for a bit I found it to be a great deal of fun and still do. So this elite could turn out to have a lot of interesting synergies we aren’t seeing yet. The traps could be fired at a distance (the video sure looked like at least one was), even though I thought ANet had said they were changing things so “traps will act more like traps” and wouldn’t be fired like that.

The dragon armor glove and bow look ugly to me. I’m not sure if they’re new or not. But they aren’t skins I’m eager to have, though I can see they’d really attract some people with aesthetic preferences different from mine.

Anyway, I’m much more in a wait and see mode on this one as compared to my gleeful anticipation of playing Chronomancer.

Eggs.3142:

Im just thinking outloud here, feel free to jump in:

Kas is a Mesmer, Human. Logan is a Human Guardian (right hes a guardian?) Mesmer gets a Shield, a heretofore guardian weapon

Brahm is a guardian, his mother Eir a ranger. Guardians get a heretofor Ranger weapon.

Majory is a Necromancer. Her sister was a Warrior. Necromancer get the warrior weapon par excelance’

Can anyone do this for Rox or Taimi?

Interesting spin on things. But hmmm … Rox is a Ranger, we know they’ll be Druids with a staff, and Rytlock is a Warrior (well, was. He’s a Revenant now, and Rev’s have staff, so maybe?).

What the heck is Zojia’s profession, anyway? Or Taimi’s? Taimi is basically a tech geek with a fancy golem, so maaaaaybe she’s an Engineer.

Eggs.3142:

BrotherBelial.3094:

khani.4786:

An interesting thought from Reddit “This makes sense if the theory of Braham picking up Eirs longbow, being the first Dragon Hunter, following his Ranger of a mothers footsteps. In a way, it brings Rangers and Guardians closer together.”

So if that is true, then longbow + traps makes sense. And the name would be because Braham is now focused on taking out Mordremoth and the other dragons.

From a story stand point, that is quite cool, but still a bit of a duffer when it comes to the specialisation name.

Im just thinking outloud here, feel free to jump in:

Kas is a Mesmer, Human. Logan is a Human Guardian (right hes a guardian?) Mesmer gets a Shield, a heretofore guardian weapon

Brahm is a guardian, his mother Eir a ranger. Guardians get a heretofor Ranger weapon.

Majory is a Necromancer. Her sister was a Warrior. Necromancer get the warrior weapon par excelance’

Can anyone do this for Rox or Taimi?

Taimi is an engineer? We kinda already know they get a hammer, but Zolja is an Ele. So I’m somewhat as a loss.
Rox is a Ranger, Rytlock is now a Revenant. So the staff tracks.

And yes, Logan is a Guardian.

Dragonhunter…with wings….LOL

Traps? Double LOL

They should make wards not traps…now I can finally stop playing until HoT come. Borring. Guardians always get useless stuff.

“Guardians are at good spot”, yes they are, in recycle bin. Meh disappointed.

tramwajarz.2369:

Zealot, Herald, Warden, Legolas… so many better names than… this.

I’d like to know who is personally responsible for choosing this name.

+1 for Zealot or Warden, hell, xxXLegolazXxx would be better.

Dragonhunter is a bit… lame to be honest (and it shouldn’t be because putting Dragon and hunter together should be awesome!)

lordkrall.7241:

Dharmz.8205:

Yeah it is too early to say how this specialization will play out… It has interesting concepts/mechanics, we will have to wait for the livestream…

The one thing I’m a bit skeptical of…is the name. I mean Dragonhunter? They could’ve named it Warden or something. Sounds so cliché…

Why do people keep talking about the name being cliche?

How is Warrior, Ranger and Engineer any less cliche?

Dragonhunter. We have traps, and a bow, and we’re hunting elder dragons.
Rather then a name, it’s more like description. It just feels uninspired.
Rather then a two-word descriptor, I would have expected a name or term that encompasses what they do/are. Warden was a good one. Or arenanet could have done their research and found a name related to some light-worshiping tribe of hunter gathers. Something, anything other then “I hunt dragons, therefore dragonhunter”.

Things like warrior or ranger are staples of RPGs, so their fine. They also conform to the naming convention I just mentioned.

BrotherBelial.3094:

Eggs.3142:

BrotherBelial.3094:

khani.4786:

An interesting thought from Reddit “This makes sense if the theory of Braham picking up Eirs longbow, being the first Dragon Hunter, following his Ranger of a mothers footsteps. In a way, it brings Rangers and Guardians closer together.”

So if that is true, then longbow + traps makes sense. And the name would be because Braham is now focused on taking out Mordremoth and the other dragons.

From a story stand point, that is quite cool, but still a bit of a duffer when it comes to the specialisation name.

Im just thinking outloud here, feel free to jump in:

Kas is a Mesmer, Human. Logan is a Human Guardian (right hes a guardian?) Mesmer gets a Shield, a heretofore guardian weapon

Brahm is a guardian, his mother Eir a ranger. Guardians get a heretofor Ranger weapon.

Majory is a Necromancer. Her sister was a Warrior. Necromancer get the warrior weapon par excelance’

Can anyone do this for Rox or Taimi?

Taimi is an engineer? We kinda already know they get a hammer, but Zolja is an Ele. So I’m somewhat as a loss.
Rox is a Ranger, Rytlock is now a Revenant. So the staff tracks.

And yes, Logan is a Guardian.

I didn’t think Taimi was an engineer I thought she was a golemancer but it makes sense that her “player profession” would be engineer (although she doesn’t actually fight herself).

Would prefer Traps on Dragonhunter be renamed Wards or something more Guardian-ish.

I was a bit surprised by the design path they took for this. The name feels kinda silly as well. I think “Warden” or “Herald” would also be better.

Not like they will listen to our feedback whatsoever on this though, so all welcome the trap -spewing Dragon-Hunter Guardian? !!!

Arewn.2368:

lordkrall.7241:

Dharmz.8205:

Yeah it is too early to say how this specialization will play out… It has interesting concepts/mechanics, we will have to wait for the livestream…

The one thing I’m a bit skeptical of…is the name. I mean Dragonhunter? They could’ve named it Warden or something. Sounds so cliché…

Why do people keep talking about the name being cliche?

How is Warrior, Ranger and Engineer any less cliche?

Dragonhunter. We have traps, and a bow, and we’re hunting elder dragons.
Rather then a name, it’s more like description. It just feels uninspired.
Rather then a two-word descriptor, I would have expected a name or term that encompasses what they do/are. Warden was a good one. Or arenanet could have done their research and found a name related to some light-worshiping tribe of hunter gathers. Something, anything other then “I hunt dragons, therefore dragonhunter”.

Things like warrior or ranger are staples of RPGs, so their fine. They also conform to the naming convention I just mentioned.

Chronomancer literally means a Mancer of Chrono, a Practicer of Time. A Time Controller. I just, im really agast at how there’s so much outrage against the timplicity of Dragonhunter when Chronomancer was the same thing. Is it just because its Latin? Dracovenotar sounds wierder to me.

khani.4786:

An interesting thought from Reddit “This makes sense if the theory of Braham picking up Eirs longbow, being the first Dragon Hunter, following his Ranger of a mothers footsteps. In a way, it brings Rangers and Guardians closer together.”

So if that is true, then longbow + traps makes sense. And the name would be because Braham is now focused on taking out Mordremoth and the other dragons.

Is this in the final cinematic or something? Where does Braham pick up Eir’s longbow? I’ve played Season 2 all episodes and don’t recall Braham grabbing a longbow.

Are all specialization names coming from the story? Is thief specialization gonna be “Eggsnatcher”?

Honestly, if this spec is tied to Glint egg, I can dig the Dragon theme. But Dragonhunter in one word is lame (and even in two words, it isn’t really great).

Mo Mo.1947:

khani.4786:

An interesting thought from Reddit “This makes sense if the theory of Braham picking up Eirs longbow, being the first Dragon Hunter, following his Ranger of a mothers footsteps. In a way, it brings Rangers and Guardians closer together.”

So if that is true, then longbow + traps makes sense. And the name would be because Braham is now focused on taking out Mordremoth and the other dragons.

Is this in the final cinematic or something? Where does Braham pick up Eir’s longbow? I’ve played Season 2 all episodes and don’t recall Braham grabbing a longbow.

Are all specialization names coming from the story? Is thief specialization gonna be “Eggsnatcher”?

they are speculating, it doesn’t/hasn’t happened

the traps are gonna be boring
guard must have boons so they give us boon trap maybe aoe, ge got aoe heal traps and aoe dmg elite dmg trap i guessing. so 2 other traps will do some condi dmg (as the trait line is condi)

traps will be range targeted like every trap now.
rune of the trapper – but them now price will get high.
so condi support class from range – no use in pvp (unless all the meta changes), maybe wvw, and not pve

Eggs.3142:

Chronomancer literally means a Mancer of Chrono, a Practicer of Time. A Time Controller. I just, im really agast at how there’s so much outrage against the timplicity of Dragonhunter when Chronomancer was the same thing. Is it just because its Latin? Dracovenotar sounds wierder to me.

“mancer” is typical suffix for different types of magic practitioners. Like necromancer, pyromancer, etc.
Chronomancer feels like a “proper” name as a result. Where as using a two word descriptor like “dragon hunter” sounds a little uninspired.
It’s honestly not a big deal, I just think they could have found something more appropriate and better sounding.
Like if necromancers get shouts and are called “Banshee”, that would be cool. Thematically appropriate and speaks to what they do/what skills they got. But if they were called “Voice commanders”, no matter how appropriate of a descriptor it is, it doesn’t sound like a good spec name.

Imagine if warriors were called “Weapon Fighters”, engineers were called “Gadget Users”, mesmers were called “Illusion mages”, etc.
They all work as names, it’s just not a very appealing naming convention to follow.

Jaxom.7310:

Mo Mo.1947:

khani.4786:

An interesting thought from Reddit “This makes sense if the theory of Braham picking up Eirs longbow, being the first Dragon Hunter, following his Ranger of a mothers footsteps. In a way, it brings Rangers and Guardians closer together.”

So if that is true, then longbow + traps makes sense. And the name would be because Braham is now focused on taking out Mordremoth and the other dragons.

Is this in the final cinematic or something? Where does Braham pick up Eir’s longbow? I’ve played Season 2 all episodes and don’t recall Braham grabbing a longbow.

Are all specialization names coming from the story? Is thief specialization gonna be “Eggsnatcher”?

they are speculating, it doesn’t/hasn’t happened

Yeah it’s a theory, speculation that this is how Guardian got their specialization.

Story currently has stopped with the Pact fleet going down in the jungle and I guess we’re going to be going out there to find them. That’s all we know for now.

Arewn.2368:

Eggs.3142:

Chronomancer literally means a Mancer of Chrono, a Practicer of Time. A Time Controller. I just, im really agast at how there’s so much outrage against the timplicity of Dragonhunter when Chronomancer was the same thing. Is it just because its Latin? Dracovenotar sounds wierder to me.

“mancer” is typical suffix for different types of magic practitioners. Like necromancer, pyromancer, etc.
Chronomancer feels like a “proper” name as a result. Where as using a two word descriptor like “dragon hunter” sounds a little uninspired.
It’s honestly not a big deal, I just think they could have found something more appropriate and better sounding.
Like if necromancers get shouts and are called “Banshee”, that would be cool. Thematically appropriate and speaks to what they do/what skills they got. But if they were called “Voice commanders”, no matter how appropriate of a descriptor it is, it doesn’t sound like a good spec name.

Imagine if warriors were called “Weapon Fighters”, engineers were called “Gadget Users”, mesmers were called “Illusion mages”, etc.
They all work as names, it’s just not a very appealing naming convention to follow.

All of this is just a language problem. We just happen to be on the lesser side this time in English. Like to me, an English speaker, the word Hunter sounds lame. But the word Jager sounds AWESOME. Its got a soft j (and an umlaut if i could remember the code for it) But to a German speaker, Jager might sound pedestrian, and they might prefer Hunter for the exotic englishyness.

Same reason people get tattoos in Asian languages. Get truth written on your arm and its lame. Get truth written in Kanji and you think its cool.

kitten … Traps? Why Traps?
I was kinda excited about the whole longbow thing, but traps? Even the heal is a trap? So i have to sit in the trap wait for someone to come near me so i can heal? Kinda reminds me of getting the enemy heals on ARAM in LoL. Sure you get the heal, but more often than not you also get more damage than what you healed.
On paper its a really lame concept. I mean, at this point, although my first character was a Guardian, i play mostly on my ranger, and i can’t remember the last time i used a trap.
I’m going to wait for the Stream though.
Love the virtues… I mean come on, why not shouts? Traps, Really?

And honestly, the name? Could be Booger Picker, i wouldn’t care… But Traps?

Sooo…. not going to nitpick given that we don’t have all the details for this spec and I haven’t had a chance to try it out.

I like the bow (I guess). And I can go with the trap idea.. bow, traps, makes sense. We’ll see how it plays.

The name on the other hand….just sort of made me blink. It was definitely a “say wha?” moment. I think they really missed the mark with the name here.

Hell “Monk” would have been better (still way out in left field) given that they were going for a long range, supporty type spec. But dragonslayer? “Big game hunter”? Ahhh…no. For warrior, maybe. Guardian though…..not even close.

my problem is more, you take hte elite spec, all normal skills, and use a hammer or GS, and you’re guardian+ no matter what.

So far (and yeah others have said it), there’s an ongoing problem where the elite specs seem just better than the standard.

Eggs.3142:

BrotherBelial.3094:

khani.4786:

An interesting thought from Reddit “This makes sense if the theory of Braham picking up Eirs longbow, being the first Dragon Hunter, following his Ranger of a mothers footsteps. In a way, it brings Rangers and Guardians closer together.”

So if that is true, then longbow + traps makes sense. And the name would be because Braham is now focused on taking out Mordremoth and the other dragons.

From a story stand point, that is quite cool, but still a bit of a duffer when it comes to the specialisation name.

Im just thinking outloud here, feel free to jump in:

Kas is a Mesmer, Human. Logan is a Human Guardian (right hes a guardian?) Mesmer gets a Shield, a heretofore guardian weapon

Brahm is a guardian, his mother Eir a ranger. Guardians get a heretofor Ranger weapon.

Majory is a Necromancer. Her sister was a Warrior. Necromancer get the warrior weapon par excelance’

Can anyone do this for Rox or Taimi?

Don’t forget Conach (or how ever you spell the salads name)

You guys must at least watch the video before you say something about the name.

It is a trapper.
He is a hunter.

“Zealot”,“Paragon” and the likes dont fit him. Dragonhunter is perfect.

ReaverKane.7598:

kitten … Traps? Why Traps?
I was kinda excited about the whole longbow thing, but traps? Even the heal is a trap? So i have to sit in the trap wait for someone to come near me so i can heal? Kinda reminds me of getting the enemy heals on ARAM in LoL. Sure you get the heal, but more often than not you also get more damage than what you healed.
On paper its a really lame concept. I mean, at this point, although my first character was a Guardian, i play mostly on my ranger, and i can’t remember the last time i used a trap.
I’m going to wait for the Stream though.
Love the virtues… I mean come on, why not shouts? Traps, Really?

And honestly, the name? Could be Booger Picker, i wouldn’t care… But Traps?

Did you actually read how the heal-trap works? you get a small heal when placing it, and you get health transferred to you when it is sprung…there is no mentioning of you needing to stay inside the trap, and it would completely go against the idea of a long ranged spec. Also traps will be ranged now, so maybe thinking of said traps as “marks” might be more appropriate…And you get the uses from runes of the trapper

And anyway, Chronomancer Wells don’t work like Necro wells, so why do you think Guardian Traps will work exactly like Ranger traps?

Finally I can play a trap Ranger and not have to worry about that kitten pet! I just hope the Dragonhunter can dish out a fair amount of damage, while still being able to support.

Deflecting arrow seems like it could be very skill based to be able to use. I can’t wait for Ready Up tomorrow!

Also, I like the name, I was honestly hoping they didn’t use the name Paragon just to please the masses. Assassin got a name change as well and people weren’t too excited about it either, but eventually everyone accepted it and moved on.

Eggs.3142:

Can anyone do this for Rox or Taimi?

Rox is a Ranger. Rytlock-sempai is a …Revenant. Uh…

Taimi is a…um…

So, to answer your question, I can’t.

Taimi is a progeny. That is enough.

Sorean.5379:

You guys must at least watch the video before you say something about the name.

It is a trapper.
He is a hunter.

“Zealot”,“Paragon” and the likes dont fit him. Dragonhunter is perfect.

I did watch the clip in the blog, and I wasn’t overly impressed. Liked the winged leap, but it did sort of scream “Ranger” to me, but that’s beside the point.

The name though, it doesn’t fit. All classes are “dragon hunters.” We’ve all slain Zaihtan. We’re all after Mordremoth to put his head on a pike next to Zaihtan’s. We’re all dragon hunters; it just doesn’t fit.

Paragon, Keeper, Steward, Protector, Sentinel, Crusader…..those all would have been better options considering what a guardian is – a holy warrior. His specialization needs to be an extension of this, which the bow and traps looks like it could suit just fine. However, the name is way off base.

Rauderi.8706:

Eggs.3142:

Can anyone do this for Rox or Taimi?

Rox is a Ranger. Rytlock-sempai is a …Revenant. Uh…

Taimi is a…um…

So, to answer your question, I can’t.

Revenants get staffs don’t they?

Taimi’s combat is all done through Scruffy though, is it a warrior…maybe? Not sure.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

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Paragon, Keeper, Steward, Protector, Sentinel, Crusader…..those all would have been better options considering what a guardian is – a holy warrior. His specialization needs to be an extension of this, which the bow and traps looks like it could suit just fine. However, the name is way off base.

The issue is that none of those properly fit. The Dragonhunter is a more physical, proactive Guardian. The Guardian’s righteousnes and high concepts have, thus far, been somewhat static. The Virtues are boring as snot, and the Guardian itself doesn’t tend to have a lot of physicality to it. he swings his sword/scepter/mace/hammer, and magic happens around it. Not that this is bad, it’s still a much better vision of the Holy Warrior archetype than typical paladins, but I didn’t really realize how non-physical Guards were until ArenaNet started talking about the Dragonhunter.

This iteration of the class, though? Much more focused on protecting its allies by defeating its enemies, or on being in the right place to do the right thing. It casts with its hands, not its mind, and it is a hunter.

‘Paragon’ has ties back to GW1 lore, and as a GW1 player? Paragons were boring. They had excellent angel-wing animations, and Elona was itself bursting with life and flavor…but the Paragon couldn’t decide if it wanted to be a native Elonian hunter with African-styled weapons and tactics, or a so-European-it-hurts angelic herald in white tights. They felt confused, and were easily the weakest class in the game when it came to identity and cohesion. Assassins, Ritualists, Dervishes, all boss. Paragons…Imbagons aside, not so much.

Keeper, Steward, Protector, Sentinel…none of those work for beans for a proactive class. Those are just synonyms of various sorts for Guardian, and the Dragonhunter is a Dragonhunter, not a Guardian. It’s a permutation of the class with distinctly different goals and methods. It doesn’t stand around and wait to protect its allies, it protects its allies upside its enemies’ face with blazing spears of light and righteous traps full of screw-you-buddy.

Crusader…well, Crusader gets the proactive part right, but it’s also an extremely bad word in the international scene. It’d be somewhat analogous to calling an elite spec ‘Nahtzee’, as many Muslim and Arabian communities throughout the world consider the Crusades to be their own tragically forgotten Holocaust. It also doesn’t really conjure up images of a righteous hunter seeking evil and destroying it. Crusaders don’t use bows or traps. Still closer than the others, but we’re not going to get a Crusader if ArenaNet knows what’s good for them. And given the fact that Cantha has been excised from the game forever due to international tensions…well.

I get that people are offended by the term ‘Dragonhunter’. It is a bit clumsy, and doesn’t quite fit with the rest of the game’s class names, but frankly? That’s okay. Elite specs are a new thing with new standards, and I’d much rather play a Dragonhunter than any of the hundred other names players keep coming up with which are basically just more names for a passive bodyguard-type guy.

We have Guardians. Why does the new spec name have to be something-else-that-just-means-Guardian-with-different-letters?

I guess my problem is I didn’t main a Guardian to play like a Ranger. If I wanted to play like a Ranger, then I would have main’d a Ranger.

We shall see how it pans out though…I still hate the name though.

Sauncho.8076:

I guess my problem is I didn’t main a Guardian to play like a Ranger. If I wanted to play like a Ranger, then I would have main’d a Ranger.

We shall see how it pans out though…I still hate the name though.

Except you can still play your guardian…?
Just don’t get the spec lol

DevilLordLaser.8619:

The issue is that none of those properly fit. The Dragonhunter is a more physical, proactive Guardian. The Guardian’s righteousnes and high concepts have, thus far, been somewhat static. The Virtues are boring as snot, and the Guardian itself doesn’t tend to have a lot of physicality to it. he swings his sword/scepter/mace/hammer, and magic happens around it. Not that this is bad, it’s still a much better vision of the Holy Warrior archetype than typical paladins, but I didn’t really realize how non-physical Guards were until ArenaNet started talking about the Dragonhunter.

He is given some options for physical attack, however, the description they give is a “long ranged combat, backline support” character that “wields light and virtue.” He has a more physical aspect; however he is still wielding light as a weapon, is simply now can"physcially manifest objects." Their words. He’s still wielding light, he’s still a holy warrior, he’s still playing the protective, supporty role but from a distance.

“Dragon hunter” doesn’t fit. We’re all dragon hunters. Its far too generic and not even close to what they are portraying this spec to be.

‘Paragon’ has ties back to GW1 lore, and as a GW1 player? Paragons were boring. They had excellent angel-wing animations, and Elona was itself bursting with life and flavor…but the Paragon couldn’t decide if it wanted to be a native Elonian hunter with African-styled weapons and tactics, or a so-European-it-hurts angelic herald in white tights. They felt confused, and were easily the weakest class in the game when it came to identity and cohesion. Assassins, Ritualists, Dervishes, all boss. Paragons…Imbagons aside, not so much.

I agree, Paragons were boring. They weren’t my favorite class; however, simply taking into consideration the definition of the world, not the class from GW1, it might fit. Not the best, but it’s better than “Dragonhunter”

Keeper, Steward, Protector, Sentinel…none of those work for beans for a proactive class. Those are just synonyms of various sorts for Guardian, and the Dragonhunter is a Dragonhunter, not a Guardian. It’s a permutation of the class with distinctly different goals and methods. It doesn’t stand around and wait to protect its allies, it protects its allies upside its enemies’ face with blazing spears of light and righteous traps full of screw-you-buddy.

Its not about proactive or not, it’s about what the spec is…which is long ranged support. These naming choices all portray that, and keep with the theme that is a Guardian.

It’s no different than how Chronomancer keeps with the mesmer theme while still being it’s own thing.

Crusader…well, Crusader gets the proactive part right, but it’s also an extremely bad word in the international scene. It’d be somewhat analogous to calling an elite spec ‘Nahtzee’, as many Muslim and Arabian communities throughout the world consider the Crusades to be their own tragically forgotten Holocaust. It also doesn’t really conjure up images of a righteous hunter seeking evil and destroying it. Crusaders don’t use bows or traps. Still closer than the others, but we’re not going to get a Crusader if ArenaNet knows what’s good for them. And given the fact that Cantha has been excised from the game forever due to international tensions…well.

Yes…people are too…..touchy, that’s all we need to say there.

I get that people are offended by the term ‘Dragonhunter’. It is a bit clumsy, and doesn’t quite fit with the rest of the game’s class names, but frankly? That’s okay. Elite specs are a new thing with new standards, and I’d much rather play a Dragonhunter than any of the hundred other names players keep coming up with which are basically just more names for a passive bodyguard-type guy.

The problem is the Guardian, and now it’s elite spec, are just that – a body guard type guy. Honestly “back line support” to me says “Monk” which is partly from which this class is derived.

It’s not that I’m offended by the name. You’re right it’s clumsy. It’s that for an “elite” (supposedly) spec, it’s far too generic and it doesn’t fit what they are portraying the spec to be about.

We have Guardians. Why does the new spec name have to be something-else-that-just-means-Guardian-with-different-letters?

I have Guardians too. I would like the elite spec name to reflect what they are, and the current choice just doesn’t suit. I’m already a dragon hunter, have been for almost 3 years now.

The Dragonhunter honestly seems like the Smiting Prayers edition of the Guardian to me. Much more of a focus on searing one’s enemies with righteous light, and frankly that is something that would make me play my Guardians more. I will admit, I kinda wish ArenaNet sold reclass tokens somewhere so I could turn Fhionne into a Dragonhunter – when you have a Ranger named Fhionne Dragonlily who was supposed to be a Warrior before GW2 released and some uppity Charr took her spot, you start to really regret not being psychic enough to know she should’ve been a Guardian the whole time.

If not for the fact that she’s one of my oldest characters and also my level 500 Leatherworker, I’d be seriously thinking of rerolling Fhionne as a Dragonhunter. The spec fits her so well it’s scary. Heh…ah well.

As for the Dragonhunter itself, I am indeed very interested to see more of it. I’ve never been a ‘main’ Guardian player, but I like my Guards just fine, and this seems like it could be expanding the Guardian square into my personal preferences and playstyles. It really stinks that I work through these livestreams they always do.

Also: raise your hand if you’re a GW1 player who is perfectly and absolutely content to never see Paragons again and will take Dragonhunters all day long.

#raisedhand

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

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I have Guardians too. I would like the elite spec name to reflect what they are, and the current choice just doesn’t suit. I’m already a dragon hunter, have been for almost 3 years now.

Heh…don’t look at it as “I hunt the Elder Dragons”. The Dragonhunter is described as a big-game hunter, and the still-kinda-lame trailer showed it hunting a giant dinosaur, which could be easily seen as a dragon if not a Dragon.

‘Dragonhunter’ means this is a Guardian who finds big angry things that are tormenting innocent folks, hunts them, and brings back their heads. That’s cool. I like that. This is a Guardian that doesn’t wait until somebody is in peril before saving them – it’s a Guardian that saves people by putting spears and arrows of light into the dragons – and demons, and plant monsters, and bug monsters, and religiously pushy frogs – that want to eat them before those people realize they’re in danger of being eaten.

The Dragonhunter is a righteous slayer of bad things. I’m interested in that, and if I were a righteous slayer of bad things, I wouldn’t want someone calling me a ‘Keeper’ just because the thing I studied before finding my calling was a passive protector who waited until trouble was on top of me before doing something about it.

Pifil.5193:

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khani.4786:

An interesting thought from Reddit “This makes sense if the theory of Braham picking up Eirs longbow, being the first Dragon Hunter, following his Ranger of a mothers footsteps. In a way, it brings Rangers and Guardians closer together.”

So if that is true, then longbow + traps makes sense. And the name would be because Braham is now focused on taking out Mordremoth and the other dragons.

From a story stand point, that is quite cool, but still a bit of a duffer when it comes to the specialisation name.

Im just thinking outloud here, feel free to jump in:

Kas is a Mesmer, Human. Logan is a Human Guardian (right hes a guardian?) Mesmer gets a Shield, a heretofore guardian weapon

Brahm is a guardian, his mother Eir a ranger. Guardians get a heretofor Ranger weapon.

Majory is a Necromancer. Her sister was a Warrior. Necromancer get the warrior weapon par excelance’

Can anyone do this for Rox or Taimi?

Taimi is an engineer? We kinda already know they get a hammer, but Zolja is an Ele. So I’m somewhat as a loss.
Rox is a Ranger, Rytlock is now a Revenant. So the staff tracks.

And yes, Logan is a Guardian.

I didn’t think Taimi was an engineer I thought she was a golemancer but it makes sense that her “player profession” would be engineer (although she doesn’t actually fight herself).

I know, and that’s probably where the comparison ends. Seeing as we kinda already know engineers get the hammer.

There was no way people were going to ever be happy with Guard spec. Guard is by far the most powerful and versatile profession in the game. Healing and boons out the wazoo, endless projectile reflects, endless blocks, best AOE tagging dmg in the game, best support in the game. Basically everything a group wants rolled into one. When was the last time you said: “oh crap another guard, we are screwed”….

It seemed fairly obvious to me that guard would get a “meh” specialization otherwise everyone would be forced to roll guard in HoT.

DevilLordLaser.8619:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

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I have Guardians too. I would like the elite spec name to reflect what they are, and the current choice just doesn’t suit. I’m already a dragon hunter, have been for almost 3 years now.

Heh…don’t look at it as “I hunt the Elder Dragons”. The Dragonhunter is described as a big-game hunter, and the still-kinda-lame trailer showed it hunting a giant dinosaur, which could be easily seen as a dragon if not a Dragon.

‘Dragonhunter’ means this is a Guardian who finds big angry things that are tormenting innocent folks, hunts them, and brings back their heads. That’s cool. I like that. This is a Guardian that doesn’t wait until somebody is in peril before saving them – it’s a Guardian that saves people by putting spears and arrows of light into the dragons – and demons, and plant monsters, and bug monsters, and religiously pushy frogs – that want to eat them before those people realize they’re in danger of being eaten.

The Dragonhunter is a righteous slayer of bad things. I’m interested in that, and if I were a righteous slayer of bad things, I wouldn’t want someone calling me a ‘Keeper’ just because the thing I studied before finding my calling was a passive protector who waited until trouble was on top of me before doing something about it.

I’m sorry, but Dragonhunter still doesn’t fit. Fine, they want to be a big game hunter (still strikes me as more of a warrior thing), but that name doesn’t fit that either. Its way too generic. It needs something more fitting, my opinion on that isn’t going to change.

As long as we have to deal tag dmg the new abilities of Dragonhunter are useless in PvE.

The Dragonhunter is more likly concepted for the PvP sector. where u can benefit of the longrange healing abilitys of it. With the traps u can denfend urself.

The dragonhunter reminds me of the iway build with 2 trap ranger 2 necros and 4 warriors.

The 2 trap rangers were defending the necros with traps, while the necros supported the offensive skills.

Now we get the trap ranger and necro in the dragonhunter as a fusion.

My biggest worry is that this will be a very dps unfriendly spec and that bothers me a lot. My choice is already between selfish single target damage/dps or full on support on my guardian. If the new spec is ranger lite with a side of light fields that everyone still hates then no…not for me.

Sorean.5379:

You guys must at least watch the video before you say something about the name.

It is a trapper.
He is a hunter.

“Zealot”,“Paragon” and the likes dont fit him. Dragonhunter is perfect.

‘Avenger’ or ‘Crusader’ for the more pro-active ‘Guardian.’ ‘Dragonhunter’ is neither inspiring, evocative, nor imaginative as a name.

I must say…thank you for this Dragonhunter. I will use it only for Claw of Jormag, Tequatl and the Shatterer and nothing more 50€ to be very well spent

Eh, seems like the most exciting thing about this reveal is that they made a pretty cool looking long bow skin.

Ragnarox.9601:

I must say…thank you for this Dragonhunter. I will use it only for Claw of Jormag, Tequatl and the Shatterer and nothing more 50€ to be very well spent

Don’t forget Glint’s egg. See? A little extra value for you.

The blog post was really light on the details. We heard a little about two of the 5 bow attacks, we didn’t learn anything about the elite, they were very vague about the passives on the virtues, the only trap we learned about was the heal and we only know that one of the traits will cause one of the virtues to do damage.

We know next to nothing about this specialization. It is way too early to compare it to the hunter or write it off as a failure.

(on the other hand, Anet really should have done a better job with the reveal to avoid this kind of apathy)

^ They do have a live-stream tomorrow showing it, which will probably give us a bit more details.

Have to agree, name does suck. It just feels boring & entirely outside of the Guardian flavor. For a Warrior? yeah I could get it. But if you list all the Guardian traitline names & stuff “Dragonhunter” sticks out like a cartoony sore thumb.
Looking forward to more control but after looking at it for a bit this is actually pretty underwhelming. Traps? ehh.. Not only are they very non-guardian but that a very odd gameplay setup. The abilities don’t seems strong or even that interesting. Traps that stop mobs for a few seconds? I hope it’s not another 30 sec cooldown control. “control” in GW2 has consisted of making the enemies hiccup, or stutter. Never actually shut down. Stopping a projectile with a projectile? unless we’re shooting a Gatling gun I wouldn’t expect it to be very useful. The “new mechanic” is pretty weak sauce. Comparing Alacrity with tweaking virtues? especially ones that do almost the exact same thing in different ways… eh.

You guys went overdrive on the Mesmer but with the Guardian it seems like you kinda phoned it in. Not sure why Anet dislikes the Guardian so much but..

Also. there are lots of ppl getting reeeeeaaaly sick of Anet making every class, spec,weapon & gear set balanced around PvP. There are WAY more ppl playing PvE. either split, or stop it.

Zackie.8923:

omg ranger wannabe…

What to do mean ‘wannabe’? Warriors out-Archered Rangers for years. Now Guards will too .