Guild Wars 2

Daddar.5971:

They made the right call after all. If you have excess skill challenges done, then you just get more spirit shards. You see, it does make sense to give feedback. I don’t think this has a real downside, despite the incessant posts of a few trolls to the contrary.

thats not what they said.

and you i dont see why you feel the need to attack anyone. Theres always a something to consider with any solution.
feedback is good, now the feedback should turn to what should they do with the 65 extra skill points they didnt want players to have.

What has a strong value, but doesnt feel like its required to be at max effeciency, that most players would want to pursue.

spirit shards isnt a good idea imo, spirit shards have a lot less value than they want skill points to have, or else they would never havve separated the two currencies.

Hey, looks like people already posted that they changed their decision here. I am very glad to hear this, as it opens up the freedom to progress how you want, instead of only open world pve.

I am still interested to see how they will be handling elite specializations, and I am sure we will all be back to discuss that.

If I have to do open world pve to unlock new specializations, that leaves a much better taste in my mouth than doing it to unlock old stuff I already had. Again, I hope they find a way to handle progression that also allows freedom, but for now they have bought themselves a few months, and the favor of quite a few veteran players I am sure.

I hit level 80 on a few of my characters and I feel a little cheated with this new hero system. In the past, after 80 we would get skill points for crafting so gaining EXP post 80 meant something (for me at least) for my PvE end game content. Note, I don’t PvP at all and I have no interest in WvW.

Now I understand, why Anet changed the system with the new mastery system coming for HoT. However, we don’t even have a release date for HoT. So the Xpac can come out in late 2015 or anytime in 2016. So does that mean I have to shelf my 80th level toons until HoT.

Luckily, I have alts and I can work on that for now but it’s getting a little discouraging. So my question is what do you guys do post 80 after this patch in your PvE end game?

Work on alts, for starters.

And level 80s can still get spirit shards, they’re just supposed to be drops now instead of something you gain at a predictable rate. They’re supposed to drop for level 80s only, right? I’m not wild about it turning RNG on us, but at least that IS a reason to play your level 80s.

I get plenty of spirit shards from champ bags, plus 3 for doing my daily.

Vayne.8563:

I get plenty of spirit shards from champ bags, plus 3 for doing my daily.

That doesn’t really answer the question, though.

You must be really bored if skill points from leveling after 80 factor into whether or not you play a particular alt…

Weirwynn.2390:

You must be really bored if skill points from leveling after 80 factor into whether or not you play a particular alt…

Not saying I am bored playing alts or the game itself. But I do feel like I am wasting my time if I play and get no “progression” or EXP in the end game of PvE. And oddly, yes gaining skill points (for me) from EXP was part of my form of progression.

For now, my 80s will be put on freeze until I can get the new progression from the Xpac EXP for masteries. Just have to wait for HoT.

Palador.2170:

Vayne.8563:

I get plenty of spirit shards from champ bags, plus 3 for doing my daily.

That doesn’t really answer the question, though.

You’re right of course. How does pointing it out add to the conversation though?

On topic: OP, the only thing getting experience for in the past was Spirit Shards. There are other things you can work on besides spirit shards though. Unlocking skins, achievements, doing every jumping puzzle. Collections.

You’ve created a meta for yourself, but as long as there are enough spirit shards to do what you want, I’m not sure how much of a difference it makes. What I wouldn’t do is avoid playing any character I choose to play, just because I’m not getting an extra spirit shard.

You simply need to find another way to progress as an alternative.

I am still a newbie (been playing for a month or so) to this game so thanks Vayne… I will take your advice.

But, they have replaced the Spirit Shard (Skill Point) you would have received by leveling up 3 times a day by just giving them to you for completing the Daily. So, not really losing anything by playing any level character.

Unless, of course, you are playing more hours per day than average, I suppose. But, then you have more chance to receive the SSs as loot drops.

Regardless, welcome to Tyria, and good luck. =)

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

But, they have replaced the Spirit Shard (Skill Point) you would have received by leveling up 3 times a day by just giving them to you for completing the Daily. So, not really losing anything by playing any level character.

Unless, of course, you are playing more hours per day than average, I suppose. But, then you have more chance to receive the SSs as loot drops.

Regardless, welcome to Tyria, and good luck. =)

If you do any significant amount of events, you get a % of your Exp bar as a reward. Those events add up fast, especially the chained and Meta events. In one weekend I can score several levels easily, and Teq is probably 1 and half levels just from all the battery phases.

I can understand giving people 3 shards for dailies… but I can’t understand the logic of taking away its main source when its so integral for high level crafting. Unless they think we’re crafting too fast… which is odd given how hard they push us towards its in every aspect of post 80 activities, Living story, and special events.

starlinvf.1358:

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

But, they have replaced the Spirit Shard (Skill Point) you would have received by leveling up 3 times a day by just giving them to you for completing the Daily. So, not really losing anything by playing any level character.

Unless, of course, you are playing more hours per day than average, I suppose. But, then you have more chance to receive the SSs as loot drops.

Regardless, welcome to Tyria, and good luck. =)

If you do any significant amount of events, you get a % of your Exp bar as a reward. Those events add up fast, especially the chained and Meta events. In one weekend I can score several levels easily, and Teq is probably 1 and half levels just from all the battery phases.

I can understand giving people 3 shards for dailies… but I can’t understand the logic of taking away its main source when its so integral for high level crafting. Unless they think we’re crafting too fast… which is odd given how hard they push us towards its in every aspect of post 80 activities, Living story, and special events.

Maybe they cut the numbers of spirit shards we get for 2 reasons.
1) they are no longer needed to buy skills and traits. That alone took up a fair number of skill points. Since that’s no longer needed, we don’t need to get skill points for that.
2) maybe the number of people doing MF crafting is not high and overall there was a glut of skill points in people’s hero panels with more skill points coming in every day.

I had all my skills/traits unlocked on my Mesmer and they were still unlocked and hero points sitting in reserve after the last patch.

And also, as I have been leveling up alts, certain levels unlock hero points in bulk. I noticed in rewards for a certain level that I earned 17 hero points as one of the rewards of that level.

I hear what you say when you want to unlock certain things and not others and you don’t want to have to spend all the hero points to do it, but they give us an abundance of hero points to unlock with over and above the hero points you earn on each map.

At least for me, this is not an issue, hasn’t been an issue. I haven’t noticed that my character has lost anything.

Electra.7530:

I had all my skills/traits unlocked on my Mesmer and they were still unlocked and hero points sitting in reserve after the last patch.

And also, as I have been leveling up alts, certain levels unlock hero points in bulk. I noticed in rewards for a certain level that I earned 17 hero points as one of the rewards of that level.

I hear what you say when you want to unlock certain things and not others and you don’t want to have to spend all the hero points to do it, but they give us an abundance of hero points to unlock with over and above the hero points you earn on each map.

At least for me, this is not an issue, hasn’t been an issue. I haven’t noticed that my character has lost anything.

Previously (before the patch), Anet told players that with the revamp, they’ll only be able to unlock ~85% of the skills+traits (@lv80 without challenges done). They’ve since revised that idea based on the community’s feedback. Therefore this topic isn’t an issue anymore because A-Net made it 100% unlock for all skills+traits once the character is lv80.

Any spare hero points would still be useful/needed when the expansion releases since that’ll include a new patch of skills and new trait line.

Akikaze.1307:

Electra.7530:

I had all my skills/traits unlocked on my Mesmer and they were still unlocked and hero points sitting in reserve after the last patch.

And also, as I have been leveling up alts, certain levels unlock hero points in bulk. I noticed in rewards for a certain level that I earned 17 hero points as one of the rewards of that level.

I hear what you say when you want to unlock certain things and not others and you don’t want to have to spend all the hero points to do it, but they give us an abundance of hero points to unlock with over and above the hero points you earn on each map.

At least for me, this is not an issue, hasn’t been an issue. I haven’t noticed that my character has lost anything.

Previously (before the patch), Anet told players that with the revamp, they’ll only be able to unlock ~85% of the skills+traits (@lv80 without challenges done). They’ve since revised that idea based on the community’s feedback. Therefore this topic isn’t an issue anymore because A-Net made it 100% unlock for all skills+traits once the character is lv80.

Any spare hero points would still be useful/needed when the expansion releases since that’ll include a new patch of skills and new trait line.

Am I to understand that everything should still be unlocked, even after the patch ?
Because I just logged in today to find that the majority of my skills were locked, and had to use the majority of my hero points to unlock them again :/ ?

The changeover did mean they had to lock everything and have you spend the points, but you got enough points just from being 80 to do a full unlock. I felt the time it took me to review the changed traits helped me pick out the ones I wanted and reminded me of some passive effects that I would want to take into account when using skills.

Now, if you want the elite spec with HoT, the current wisdom is you will want to have a pile of hero challenges done so you can buy it right away as it won’t be included in the points gained from getting to 80.

ZoiN.4280:

Am I to understand that everything should still be unlocked, even after the patch ?

No, but it means that at level 80 you will have enough points to unlock every core trait and skill. Even if you haven’t done a single skill challenge.

Soni have a bunch of hero points left over like 80 or something. What do in use that on other than upcoming specialization?