Guild Wars 2

Rococo.8347:

2.The Ultimate package is NOT an upgrade which leads me to believe that Vet’s will lose the link to their active account they have spent years building up, yet this is the package with the most perceived value for money for Vet’s.

Fortunately this is incorrect. One will not be able to upgrade to the Ultimate package from a Standard or Deluxe Package of HoT. It’s like currently being able to ug-pgrade (Gemstore) from the Core Standard to the Digital Deluxe add-on items. The Ultimate edition is a HoT bundle that is added only to existing GW2 Core Accounts without HoT attached.

Zibbles.6349:

If I might suggest the nuclear option? Release the Tengu. Though an extra character slot would be nice, I’ll probably buy the expac anyway. I’ve gotten far more entertainment out of this game and its predecessors over the years than from other games out there.

Bird flu epidemic is that last thing we need!

/totally agree BTW

I made a comic about the “core game is included for free” issue: http://i.imgur.com/1jI3LGy.jpg

Hope you enjoy it!

KPOBb.8476:

I don’t get the Veteran entitlement position.

For many there is no entitlement. Its the fact you have to re-buy the base game with the expansion, when the base game still sells for $39.99

http://www.amazon.com/Guild-Wars-Heroic-Online-Game/dp/B00EPOTBUC/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1434664478&sr=1-1&keywords=guild+wars+2&pebp=1434664491874&perid=0KR6MZT0859ZYWF3CDTM

KPOBb.8476:

I don’t get the Veteran entitlement position.

There is no entitlement. But for those of us who have already owned gw2, payed 50-75$ for an entire game are having to buy the entire game again + HoT expansion for 50$ which is a slap in the face. There is no stand alone version of just HoT to buy. You have to re-buy the entire game + HoT. Atleast in GW1, the expansions itself were entire games & it was worth the extra 30-40$ bc you were automatically given an extra char slot. (except for eye of the north. )
We don’t really even know if 50$ for HoT is even worth it. Anet is just money hungry & it shows. They don’t give players who already own gw2 the option to just buy the HoT “expansion”.

KPOBb.8476:

Rococo.8347:

2.The Ultimate package is NOT an upgrade which leads me to believe that Vet’s will lose the link to their active account they have spent years building up, yet this is the package with the most perceived value for money for Vet’s.

Fortunately this is incorrect. One will not be able to upgrade to the Ultimate package from a Standard or Deluxe Package of HoT. It’s like currently being able to ug-pgrade (Gemstore) from the Core Standard to the Digital Deluxe add-on items. The Ultimate edition is a HoT bundle that is added only to existing GW2 Core Accounts without HoT attached.

That’s good ;D – I will edit it with something else worth worrying about – im sure it wont take long…

I was just reading, after the final beta, Black Desert Online is absolutely not p2w, it actually copied GW2’s gem store (mostly cosmetic).

So. I can spend $50 on a dev that spat in my face or one with a clean slate, I hope we hear from Anet soon cause their game is n64 compared to BDO. I WANT to stay with GW2 but I have no incentive having only had the game for a couple months.

papry.8096:

This is what Anet propose to people that ask for an HoT upgrade when they bought GW2 before the FAQ ninja update.

Is this real? if so them even after i buyed the ultimate edition, i get the riot various friends of mine buy the game in the past month.

KPOBb.8476:

shadow.6174:

Oh hey, I apologize if it was already brought up but since this thread became huge… I have just noticed a thing and I wanted to bring it to attention to anyone pondering about the Ultimate version. This appeared in their official email about the pre-purchase:

The Ultimate edition of the game includes all of the above in addition to 4,000 gems. The Ultimate edition will not be available as an upgrade and must be purchased as a full game package.

(highlight is mine) In other words, purchasing the Ultimate you are going to get a brand new account with the core game plus expansion and its shinnies.

This is incorrect. Lets look at GW2 Core. You are able to upgrade from the standard to the Digital Deluxe (they have that currently in the Gemstore). This is what that means. One will not be able to upgrade from a Standard or Digital Deluxe to an Ultimate Edition. The Ultimate Deluxe edition will be added as an HoT expansion to existing accounts separately on its own.

Huh, I may have misread but it’s how I read it… “must be purchased as a full game package”

Chasind.3128:

KPOBb.8476:

I don’t get the Veteran entitlement position.

There is no entitlement. But for those of us who have already owned gw2, payed 50-75$ for an entire game are having to buy the entire game again + HoT expansion for 50$ which is a slap in the face. There is no stand alone version of just HoT to buy. You have to re-buy the entire game + HoT. Atleast in GW1, the expansions itself were entire games & it was worth the extra 30-40$ bc you were automatically given an extra char slot. (except for eye of the north. )
We don’t really even know if 50$ for HoT is even worth it. Anet is just money hungry & it shows. They don’t give players who already own gw2 the option to just buy the HoT “expansion”.

Okay, but ANet said $50 is the cost of the expansion and that the base game is being included for free so new players do not have to buy both. So the argument that the cost includes both is invalid – and the posts accusing ANet of lying are kind of silly.

What have we seen that is worth so much? Not a lot.

Keep in mind many of the features people list are actually just going to be part of the basic game. Couple that with the fact we may only be getting three moderately sized maps total, I am not inclined to believe we have enough content to warrant the price.

I say hold off purchase and let Arena Net try to impress us, as of right now they have not done a great job. It is not like there is a rush and everyone has to buy as soon as possible.

I was hoping that pre-purchase (not purchase) would provide an extra character slot regardless of the edition.

edit: Many veterans are forgetting that new players need to pay to buy the Living Story chapters ($20 / 1600gems).

warbignime.4610:

You guys should compare WoW expansion reveal to HoT, or even ff14 heavensward. Most of MMORPG are vague about their expansion too, there are no weekly live stream about the content neither weekly detailed blog post. Just check wow MoP reveal page, all they did are listed features and a very short portion of the reveal video and that’s pretty much it. How much more do you guys want? Anet won’t tell you every detail neither but that’s the same with every game expansion ever. People are having ridiculous expectations and it bothers me.

There was TONS of information out before Mists of Pandaria. Blizzard may do many things wrong, but transparency is not one of those things. Their patch notes are extremely thorough, and always given in advance. And MoP had the advantage of being the fourth expansion, so the customers knew what to expect from it. Of all the arguments I’ve seen, saying that the information we have about HoT is comparable to what WoW players had for MoP is the most laughable thing out there.

Honestly, at this point, NOBODY can say what Heart of Thorns is actually worth, because there’s not enough information available. There’s not even a release date yet.

On top of that, the whole fiasco with declaring that the base game would be required for the expansion, and then bundling the base game free… I’m not saying that was intentionally malicious, because I don’t believe it was, but it is truly not a good reflection that this company has any sort of cohesion within itself.

But that’s a whole other issue. You can argue many things about Blizzard, but to say that they don’t give out information in advance? Nope.

dbgfeller.8120:

I made a comic about the “core game is included for free” issue: http://i.imgur.com/1jI3LGy.jpg

Hope you enjoy it!

Ayrilana.1396:

The base game is a bonus. Would you still be this upset had it not been included and the expansion was still $50 nonetheless like the had planned for it to be?

How is it people still don’t get the point.

Old players, who’ve been around since launch (or GW1) have been kicking money ANet’s way, buying gems, upgrading accounts, etc., etc.

Now an expansion comes out, and its the NEW players who get the bonus while veteran players get nothing in comparison.

ANet could pan for the expansion to cost a billion dollars, but it won’t matter if its a cost the majority of the market is unwilling to bear.

The reason ANet can justify the $50 price tag for the Standard expansion (which doesn’t include a character slot even though the Revenant is the New Deal) is precisely because they bundled in the base game which certainly isn’t free. Its a marketing ploy, and those that defend their tactics have been swindled by the shell game.

KPOBb.8476:

I don’t get the Veteran entitlement position.

Arenanet has done alot more to get more players in, including 75% off the main game for several times, they changed the whole level progression to “ease in players better” (while to me the original unique feel is replaced with generic MMO feeling and GW2 lost parts of it’s original pull) and now they add in the game in for free so new players don’t even have to buy the main game.

It kind of feels like, “You’re an existing player? Then we don’t need to do anything for you, cause we already have parts of your money and if you want to keep playing, give us more money!”

It seems to me it’s like the big turn off for the buy to play model this way. In order to make money, you need new buyers. (although with an expansion coming I don’t really understand why they only market especially more to new players by throwing in the whole game (minus living story I assume) while basically no special deals for existing players. (other than throw alot of money at them)

It’s like they expect you to buy it anyway and you don’t need any more incentive. Instead of it being veteran entitlement I would rather say it’s the new player preferential treatment which makes people feel left out.

Other than that, it doesn’t seem the expansion currently is selling itself very well. The guild hall feature a few new maps and a profession + specialisations sounds more like a 30 euro expansion. 50 euro is what you pay for a full game these days. It’s what some of us paid for the full Guild Wars 2 game. And if you compare it to that, if you compare the value of the full game (which now seems carelessly tossed in as if it’s something that has no value anymore, gives a great sign like that to existing players as well. Gee guys.) to the expansion you would at least expect the same amount of value from the expansion, which up until now it doesn’t even have.

Arguments that it’s in line with other expansions on other games, feels off by a mile, We’re not interested in expansion in another game, nor are we familiar with what that expansion is offering, or whether that is even worth or not.

Also its pointless saying that you get stuff after or before the expansion is also included. When buying the expansion, you buy the expansion, not stuff that “might” hypothetically come after, nor stuff that has come before for free. As a customer you don’t go to a shop in order to pay for all previous and future bananas in one go because the shopkeeper doesn’t have it’s economic plan in order. And if so, at least it should be advertised as such. It should be advertised that something like raids or other rumours floating on this forum belong to the expansion package but will come after. But it’s likely not, because ArenaNet has reputation that “it comes after” might as well mean 6 to 2 years after if not with the next expansion (*cough*guildhalls*cough*) And “it’s not ready so we don’t talk about it”- policy kind of limits them about saying anything about it.

All in all, it’s way too early to say it’s worth the price of course, but it just feels completely off at this point.

KPOBb.8476:

Rococo.8347:

2.The Ultimate package is NOT an upgrade which leads me to believe that Vet’s will lose the link to their active account they have spent years building up, yet this is the package with the most perceived value for money for Vet’s.

Fortunately this is incorrect. One will not be able to upgrade to the Ultimate package from a Standard or Deluxe Package of HoT. It’s like currently being able to ug-pgrade (Gemstore) from the Core Standard to the Digital Deluxe add-on items. The Ultimate edition is a HoT bundle that is added only to existing GW2 Core Accounts without HoT attached.

Any source on this? From what I read on the official email it leads me to understand that Ultimate comes as a full package. If it’s going to be “added only to existing GW2 Core Accounts without HoT attached” so why it would include the core game? It doesn’t make sense.

And if you note what http://buy.guildwars2.com/store/gw2/en_US/html/pbPage.heartofthorns says, Ultimate includes what Standard version has and Standard version shows as including the core game.

John.8507:

KPOBb.8476:

I don’t get the Veteran entitlement position.

For many there is no entitlement. Its the fact you have to re-buy the base game with the expansion, when the base game still sells for $39.99

http://www.amazon.com/Guild-Wars-Heroic-Online-Game/dp/B00EPOTBUC/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1434664478&sr=1-1&keywords=guild+wars+2&pebp=1434664491874&perid=0KR6MZT0859ZYWF3CDTM

That doesn’t make sense though. The game originally sold at $59.99 for the Digital Edition and $79.99 for the Deluxe Edition.

This 2013 article, shows the price has been dropping from release:

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/arenanet-permanently-lowers-guild-wars-2s-price-point/

So technically, the HoT is $10 dollars cheaper than the original price, and the Digital Deluxe edition is even around $5 dollars cheaper.

What are you on about, OP? Don’t make me laugh… Ever followed Blizzcon or played WoW? If you were, you would know the vast amount of information they give on Blizzcon about their games or expansions. Close to nothing was shared on PAX. E3 was the event where they were supposed to show everything they have been working on and what is about to be finished. So between PAX and E3 they showed us some profession specs, the only new sPvP map and mode, and 1/2 of PvE map. That’s it. So don’t even compare it WoW, because Blizzard always shows their stuff and then starts pre-purchases The only vague one here is Anet.
But yes, HoT doesn’t worth $50 from what I’ve seen so far. If there’s more content I want to see it first.
“weekly live stream about the content neither weekly detailed blog post.” lol

RDarken.2495:

That is why I say it is ANet doing something nice for players, as they are literally taking money out of their pockets, as opposed to saying “To play HoT you must pay $40 for the base game + $50 for the expansion.”

If you think Arena Net (or any other company) “is taking money out of their pockets”, then you don’t understand how the world works.

First, it’s objectively wrong – they are literally not taking any money out of their pockets. In fact, they’re asking every player to take (at least) $50 out of his or her pocket (which is probably more than they paid for the base game) in exchange for a future expansion that is highly unlikely to double the amount of content.

Second, every company prices its products based on (their prediction of) how to maximise their profits. Virtually no one would pay $90 (your suggestion) for GW2 + an unknown expansion. If Arena Net tried to charge that much, they would make significantly less money, and end up with less players, which would also reduce their long-term profits from the gem store.

Third, saying “the base game is included for free” is just a lame attempt by the marketing department to rephrase “you must buy the base game again even if you’ve already bought it and played through all of it”. It’s frankly insulting to existing players, and shows the same kind of attitude that cost Blizzard several thousand customers (when they started adding “free extras” for new players, and making existing players pay more for them). But even Blizzard had the basic decency of selling stand-alone expansions at a price lower than the “battle chest” (game + expansion package).

If Arena Net really wanted to “be nice to players” (where “players” is defined as people who already play the game, and who have been paying Arena Net’s salaries for the past three years), they’d say something like “for every 100 gems you’ve bought with real money in the past, we take $1 off the cost of the expansion”.

I’ve spent over $300 on GW2, across two accounts (the second of which I was forced to buy because Arena Net disabled the option to group with EU friends from a US account), and, given the respect they show for their current players, I have no intention of spending any more.

KPOBb.8476:

Kasteros.9847:

So I was checking internet with " HoT pre-purchase reaction" and found this… xD I must say that it is perfect since HoT gives almost nothing…

They have not released all their information yet. The picture is nothing more than speculation.

Well not realy. They released almost everything( what is left are some maps and nothing more I think at last from what tehy promised to add in this exp.). And thsi image was about compare of basic game’s content and expansion’s content while both are set – up with same price(50$).

Agreed. All they would need to do, at this point, is show us or tell us how much PvE content we are getting for the price offered. We really have no idea. And they want us to preorder it?

I don’t believe that’s too much to see what we are being asked to pay for.

Ayrilana.1396:

Weylin.6478:

If you buy GW2 now, it comes with HoT.
If you already have the game, you are losing out if you just go with an upgrade.
If you get it as a separate account, you get 4 character slots + HoT.
If you get it as an upgrade, you get HoT, nothing else.

Just a week ago, GW2 was $40.

Everyone who just purchased GW2 for $40 will now have to buy it AGAIN for $50.
Anyone who’s just now showing up will have to pay the $50 for GW+HoT, that’s fine.

So veterans and intermediates alike got massively ripped off as they are having to pay the equivalent of $90 to get the full package.

This is punishing early adopters and recent buyers of the game, a friend of mine has been trying to get money set aside for weeks to buy GW2 and he finally gets it, and then this happens… If he had known, he would have just waited a few weeks and paid the extra $10 for all of the content.

The base game is a bonus. Would you still be this upset had it not been included and the expansion was still $50 nonetheless like the had planned for it to be?

not really the base game is no longer on sale in the store.
And i think most people would still be saying it costs too much.

essentially people automatically take it for granted that its worth 50 because the base game is included, because they innately cannot believe that the expansion itself is worth 50.

KPOBb.8476:

John.8507:

KPOBb.8476:

I don’t get the Veteran entitlement position.

For many there is no entitlement. Its the fact you have to re-buy the base game with the expansion, when the base game still sells for $39.99

http://www.amazon.com/Guild-Wars-Heroic-Online-Game/dp/B00EPOTBUC/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1434664478&sr=1-1&keywords=guild+wars+2&pebp=1434664491874&perid=0KR6MZT0859ZYWF3CDTM

That doesn’t make sense though. The game originally sold at $59.99 for the Digital Edition and $79.99 for the Deluxe Edition.

This 2013 article, shows the price has been dropping from release:

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/arenanet-permanently-lowers-guild-wars-2s-price-point/

So technically, the HoT is $10 dollars cheaper than the original price, and the Digital Deluxe edition is even around $5 dollars cheaper.

Sure, but then again, does HoT have even half the content of the original game which is now free?
Its simple math. New players who by choice decided not to touch GW2 so far will get GW2+ HoT for 50USD.
Old players who have been supporting the game, and are the ONLY reason there’s even an expansion will have to pay more than double for the same content.
Fair? I think not.
And yeah we got to play it for longer? So what? Again it was their choice, and pretty much to me Arena Net is rewarding those who chose NOT to support their game early on.

Factotum.2093:

Third, saying “the base game is included for free” is just a lame attempt by the marketing department to rephrase “you must buy the base game again even if you’ve already bought it and played through all of it”. It’s frankly insulting to existing players, and shows the same kind of attitude that cost Blizzard several thousand customers (when they started adding “free extras” for new players, and making existing players pay more for them). But even Blizzard had the basic decency of selling stand-alone expansions at a price lower than the “battle chest” (game + expansion package).

Conspiracy theory hollaaa

Also, as posted above, GW2 was $60 at launch, so it’s really quite frankly believable that the expansion is $50 on its own – ie. $10 less than the base game as at launch (which is what people are bellyaching over in the first place).

ReaverKane.7598:

Its simple math. New players who by choice decided not to touch GW2 so far will get GW2+ HoT for 50USD.
Old players who have been supporting the game, and are the ONLY reason there’s even an expansion will have to pay more than double for the same content.
Fair? I think not.
And yeah we got to play it for longer? So what? Again it was their choice, and pretty much to me Arena Net is rewarding those who chose NOT to support their game early on.

This is just silly – you got to enjoy the game for almost four full years – you got what you paid for. Don’t be jelly that new players only have to buy the expansion.

I don’t mind the price but to compare it to Heavensward isn’t good it’s 10gb and its digital CE cost me $30 less then what HoT Digital Deluxe will be

Scribbler.8462:

Wait… I just bought this game the day before you announced HoT. Are you seriously telling me that I should have just waited for HoT to come out cause I would have to BUY THE GAME ALL OVER AGAIN just to get the expansion? Why is their no version of it without the core game? I don’t need the core game.

Well you see we already have your money, therefore who cares? -Anet

I’ve loved the GW series and loved what GW2 did. After purchasing at $50 for both myself and my wife to play right after initial release we played all the time. I’ve spent cash to buy gems for all sorts of things and thoroughly enjoyed myself. However with offering the (still retail $39.99) game for free with the expansion Anet is now asking me to spend another $50 per license to the same game a new player will get for a single $50 purchase. Now I’ve not played very often lately with other life events and issues getting in the way, but I was looking forward to some new content coming with this expansion. However with this price issue I wont be wasting my time or money. I have more than enough other F2P options out there that I enjoy playing.

RDarken.2495:

This is just silly – you got to enjoy the game for almost four full years – you got what you paid for. Don’t be jelly that new players only have to buy the expansion.

Four years? oh my I got a years extra joy from the almost 3 years the game is out.

And new players could have made the choice to join in and get their extra year of fun too. They didn’t. We did. And that’s how we’re rewarded for it. By treating us like the valued customers that we are.

But I guess we shouldn’t complain, they did offer us one extra year of joy and happynes in those 3 years. We got four years of enjoyment just by playing almost for three. It’s a steal!

;)

FYI GW2 is not F2P, it is B2P. You would have to spend money on these expansions in order to take advantage of them, no matter what.

Ok this is my frist post ever and I will try to say it a way all can u understand… I don’t care and think it is nice that anet wants to help new players have a better time with the game by adding core for free… I don’t care that the price is $50 Us… The part that hurts me (and I will not speak for anyone else) is that Anet has went as far as to help out new people that have not supported them in the past as I have supported them for about 10 years on GW1 and GW2… To give a bonus to the new players is a nice thing to do but not offering those of us (even those that just bought the game to be ready for HoT) something in return sense we wont get the core game again is not a way to thank your current players… SO all I wanted to say is Anet I like the way you are taking MMORPG but I ask that you respect Me and all the other 4 million that helped you get there as much as we would love the new players or fans with you respect us as well … This has upset me and I am sure many others and we hope there is some way to make amends….

Regina Buenaobra.6193:

To clarify: $50 is the price of the expansion. We included the core game as a free bonus to make it easier for new players to get into it.

I may not know much about economics but I do remember one thing “there is no such thing as a free lunch” so you can tell us that the price was always going to be 50$ and they just decided to throw in the core game out of the kindness of your heart, but I find that impossible to believe. Honestly, that’s the most insulting aspect of this whole mess to me.

Giving the core game away as a way to get more people to buy the expansion, great idea, I have no problem with that. Making people who already have the game pay for the core game again, not so great. Telling those people they are not paying for the core game when they really are. That’s where I get annoyed.

I guess what it really come down to is worth. I’m really hoping there is going to be much more than what I’ve heard included in this expansion because right now I can’t begin to comprehend what justifies the 50$ price tag.

RDarken.2495:

Factotum.2093:

Third, saying “the base game is included for free” is just a lame attempt by the marketing department to rephrase “you must buy the base game again even if you’ve already bought it and played through all of it”. It’s frankly insulting to existing players, and shows the same kind of attitude that cost Blizzard several thousand customers (when they started adding “free extras” for new players, and making existing players pay more for them). But even Blizzard had the basic decency of selling stand-alone expansions at a price lower than the “battle chest” (game + expansion package).

Conspiracy theory hollaaa

Also, as posted above, GW2 was $60 at launch, so it’s really quite frankly believable that the expansion is $50 on its own – ie. $10 less than the base game as at launch (which is what people are bellyaching over in the first place).

ReaverKane.7598:

Its simple math. New players who by choice decided not to touch GW2 so far will get GW2+ HoT for 50USD.
Old players who have been supporting the game, and are the ONLY reason there’s even an expansion will have to pay more than double for the same content.
Fair? I think not.
And yeah we got to play it for longer? So what? Again it was their choice, and pretty much to me Arena Net is rewarding those who chose NOT to support their game early on.

This is just silly – you got to enjoy the game for almost four full years – you got what you paid for. Don’t be jelly that new players only have to buy the expansion.

True. i got what i payed for on the core game, but i don’t feel that the expansion will be worth the 50USD price tag, not with what they’ve announced so far.
Add that to their attitude towards existing players, makes me not want to do something i had planned to do.
Sure it might be silly to ask a company to have the basic ammount of decency and fair play to their community.
Maybe my standards are too high for what is acceptable behaviour. But then again, i’m not saying you’re wrong i’m right. I’m just syaing i’m nto alone in my JUSTIFIED outrage.
Sure like Bog Otter said its a matter of perception, but news flash:Your reality is what you perceive. So to me i’m being ill regarded (not for the first time, i’ll add) by a company and a game i’ve been supporting for years.

RDarken.2495:

Chasind.3128:

KPOBb.8476:

I don’t get the Veteran entitlement position.

There is no entitlement. But for those of us who have already owned gw2, payed 50-75$ for an entire game are having to buy the entire game again + HoT expansion for 50$ which is a slap in the face. There is no stand alone version of just HoT to buy. You have to re-buy the entire game + HoT. Atleast in GW1, the expansions itself were entire games & it was worth the extra 30-40$ bc you were automatically given an extra char slot. (except for eye of the north. )
We don’t really even know if 50$ for HoT is even worth it. Anet is just money hungry & it shows. They don’t give players who already own gw2 the option to just buy the HoT “expansion”.

Okay, but ANet said $50 is the cost of the expansion and that the base game is being included for free so new players do not have to buy both. So the argument that the cost includes both is invalid – and the posts accusing ANet of lying are kind of silly.

Wrong. The core game should always cost more than it’s preceding expansion, unless the expansion dwarfs the core game in overall content. It’s a safe assumption HoT will not come close to matching half of what the core game offered at release. And that’s fine, since it’s an expansion. But should players have to spend more for HoT than they did for GW2’s initial release?

I still can’t believe how they flubbed this up. Look how long people have been talking in this forum about price speculation of HoT. They had a good long while of reading player feedback on what we expected to be included. They must have just dismissed our feedback. Anet trying to save the sinking ship.

Arena Net your marketing this time really make me disappoint as people who follow your game since GW1 this sale strategy is unacceptable it show me how you treat your customer which not only make me not buy this Expansion but also all your future product no matter how good it is. but i found some interesting tactics might save your reputation.

I wonder if I currently have GW2 standard version if i spend 2000 Gems which estimate about 25-30$ to upgrade my account to deluxe do I also get HoT expension?

if not then it maybe only way to make it fair for exist player if you also give them HoT when upgrade and give HoT as free upgrade for everyone who already bought GW2 Deluxe edition or Highter version.

If you still try to keep up with current sale strategy then i have nothing to say but
Good Bye…

Asmodal.6489:

It amazes me how most of you feel entitled to judge the value of the expansion in general.

ArenaNet is asking us to judge the value of the expansion when they ask us to pay for it in full, without even knowing a release date.

They expect us to pay basically the same we paid for the full game at release. Does HoT have as much content as the core GW2?

Nope.

And that’s it. There isn’t any way around it. The price simply isn’t fair, and ArenaNet knows it.

I won’t buy HoT unless I get a character slot, secondly I will not pay 49.99 for any xpac good luck on your sales lmao!!!!

I would like to post a link to a thread that may give some insight in why people are so mad:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Reason-why-people-are-mad-Fairness/first#post5168853

Here’s the gist:
It is not greed or entitlement, but genuine moral outrage at unequal pricing.

Group 1 (who have nothing) pay $50 and receive A + B.
Group 2 (who already own A) pay $50 and receive B.
These two groups pay the same price, but they get unequal value in return. This touches people at a deep emotional level: “That is unfair!”

So why did ArenaNet not see this coming? Because pricing and sales policy are very rational activities, while morality is a very irrational, emotional thing. No, they’re not evil or immoral. It was a blind spot.

I think it’s poor policy and bad decision making to offer the core game for free with an expansion pack that shares the same original retail value as the core game. Considering that the core game is now worth half of its original retail value it immediately comes across as a sham and that the players are really paying for the core game and expansion with none of the benefits that comes with buying a 2nd core game.

This is what’s confusing and frustrating a lot of players. Saying you just want the expansion pack separately won’t cost you any less because according to ANet it’s the expansion you’re paying for, so you’d still be paying £34 for HoT with or without the core game. To me that is massively overpriced for what little is being offered.

multiplicity.4385:

The value is not worth it, and HoT is definitely not a full game. Using the model of what current PC games go for at release is not accurate.

Example: Buying Mass Effect 3 at $20, and then having to buy Citadel DLC and Omega DLC would add up to $30 ($15 each) for a total of $50. Those two are DLC. Their combined story and extra goodies for the game totals out to the same we are expecting from HoT.

Now, HoT for old players is $50. That is the price of a fully-fleshed out core game, not a “DLC” (in this case, the term is expansion) which is what HoT is.

Then don’t buy it……if it’s $25, $40, $50, $75 or whatever doesn’t matter.

If you want it your going to buy it simply put. If you don’t want to buy it then don’t. Anet has no sub fee so 50 bucks every 3 years comes to…..72 cents a month!!!! Cheapest mmo and expansion ever created. Your arguments invalid for a game that provides hundreds of hours of entertainment

Sorry to hit that wound but cant believe nobody jokes about that.

I remember ppl screamed for xpac always saying Anet take my Money!. I throw my Money at the screen!.

And Anet listen to there Costumer stopped LS and called it an Xpact.

:P

I wonder what People now throw at there screen

(sorry but dam thats Ironic)

Stop trying to defend improper business practices. It’s not going to help make this world any fairer. It’s people like you who needs to change and fight for what is right instead of protecting corporate greed.

geekgirlonezeroone.1793:

Saying you just want the expansion pack separately won’t cost you any less because according to ANet it’s the expansion you’re paying for, so you’d still be paying £34 for HoT with or without the core game.

Whoever believes the lies of ANET must be pretty naive (no offense). This comic shows the process of pricing HoT:

http://i.imgur.com/1jI3LGy.jpg

RDarken.2495:

This is just silly – you got to enjoy the game for almost four full years

GW2 has not been out for 4 years. It hasn’t even been out for 3. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

All hail the White Knight!

Seriously though, how can you be tricked so easily. What Anet is doing is charging the players who already have the game at least $10 extra to re-purchase something we already have….How can you even consider charging $50 when we havent seen kitten all content. One profession and nine elite specializations, Guild Halls (which should have been in the game from the start) and 3 maps where you have to spam events to lvl your masteries….

44 euro’s for this expansion with this amount of content is a TOTAL RIP-OFF!!!! I am a big fan of GW2 and i always praised Anet for their business model within GW2 but Anet totally lost their MINDS to ask this kind of money for this expansion…

geekgirlonezeroone.1793:

I think it’s poor policy and bad decision making to offer the core game for free with an expansion pack that shares the same value as the core game. It immediately comes across as a sham and that the players are really paying for the core game with a free expansion with none of the benefits that comes with buying a 2nd core game.

Exactly. I’d be fine with it, if they dropped the price tag for the expansion and offered it as an upgrade, and also provided an alternative bundle that includes the original game as well at a reduced price. Because then we’d see a clear difference between buying just the expansion, and buying the expansion + the full game. But when the price of the expansion is equal to the full game, and the full game is supposedly included for free along with it…. that sounds very dodgy.

I also think the price is too high, compared to how large I expect this expansion to be (given the limited info they’ve released). 30 bucks would be more reasonable, and it better include one free extra character slot.

If they are going to ask the price of a full game, it better also contain 5 character slots, and additional bank slots, like with a full game. They know we’ll need an extra character slot to enjoy the new profession anyway, so that quietly raises the price tag of the expansion if a character slot is not included. Did they think we wouldn’t notice?

That’s like selling a new roof for a car, for the price of a new car, but with a free car included (unless you already have a car, but its still the same price), and you don’t get the wheels. See how this comes across Anet?

Senninha.4105:

44 euro’s for this expansion with this amount of content is a TOTAL RIP-OFF!!!! I am a big fan of GW2 and i always praised Anet for their business model within GW2 but Anet totally lost their MINDS to ask this kind of money for this expansion…

Yeah I really dont understand what they were thinking…other than hustling the players who already own the game.

If you want a good game for $50 from a company that respects its players, try The Witcher 3.

ANet doesn’t respect veterans and is trying to rip us off.