Guild Wars 2

Since launch, GW2 prided itself as having one of the best, if not the best community of any MMO and rightly so. Always friendly, helpful and more than willing to assist those in need, at least this has been my experience and i’ve always done the same. I’ve lost count how many times i’ve died trying to help others.

But HoT has changed all that. Right now in HoT, i see fewer and fewer ppl willing to stop and rez others, or answer a call for help to kill that rabid champ on steroids and its hordes for that HP or w/ever else and it’s getting worse by the day. Even 2 weeks after HoT released, i noticed a decline in those willing to help others, eventhough they all know, these HP’s can’t be soloed. I’ve been in situations where i’ve spent an hour or two asking for assistance with a HP while trying to do events, especially in TD and DS and not one person would reply or come to help, even though i know there’s lots of people in the map.

Despite many difficulties, including my ridiculously high ping, I’ve almost completed DS, just need 1 HP. This last HP i need is guarded by the Spider Queen and is only accessible during the 15 min timer after the successful DS meta and i’ve been trying to get it for days now. Most times when i log in there, the map is deserted. I’d ask in map chat if anyone was there, but no one replies. I’ve had to resort to LFG and on an odd occasion I’ve managed to get a taxi into a good map and got most of the stuff done, except this one HP.

Finally today, i managed to get to it and it’s the most crazy set up I’ve ever seen. It’s like this HP was created by some lunatic goofball frankly. Not only is it gated behind a successful meta and being timed, but it’s very hard to get the Lay Line updraft that starts off the ground and virtually no place to launch from and open ur kite. But once u do get up there, u r in a small area full of spiders, many of them vets and finally the Champ Queen.

I was there alone on my necro, so i summoned my minions thinking they would take attention off me while I commune, but the spiders completely ignored them and just kept on me. The HP is situated on this small rock pillar and whenever i tried to commune, they all rushed at me and each of their hits would interrupt my commune. So i tried to kite them away, but it was no good, they seem to be programmed to stick to the player and i couldn’t shake them off no matter what i did.

I knew the map was populated, we just finished the dragon event and i could still see a few commander badges around the map and while running for my life, i somehow managed to type in map chat asking for help. No one replied, so i repeated the message, pleading for help as i was running out of time, but no one responded. In the end, the spiders overwhelmed me and killed me and i saw this HP slipping away.

Eventually, a lone thief came (thank you whoever u are) and tried to rez me, but i could see he wasn’t going to make it, so i told him no to die as well. He apologized for not being able to help, there was just too many mobs. It was pointless anyway, even if he managed to rez me, 2 of us couldn’t deal with the 30-40 mobs running rampant around the HP, so he left me there. Then with barely 1 minute left, another thief came and actually got me rezzed (i was already partially rezzed by the first thief so it was faster and many thanks to you too) and that very instant, the map reset and i was killed off again and spat to the beginning of the map.

You know Anet? You’ve destroyed my enjoyment of this expansion, but I’m determined to get that last HP one way or another (to get some value for my money and to have at least one char with 100% maguma) and then i’ll never go back to those places again, let alone try map completion on my alts. It’s just not worth the frustration. And just so you know, exploration is my favorite thing in this game. Prior to HoT, I had 9 characters with 100% world completion and they all did it when WvW was part of it. I had every intention of doing the same in HoT but no thanks. I’ve had enough.

That spider queen HP is ridiculous in so many ways. One lone thief coming to help me in a map full of people? While needing 15-20 at least, is what makes this content utterly ridiculous. Not to mention, having that 15 min timer after dragon dies to get it done when u loose at least 5 minutes just getting to the boss chest. What made u think that weeks/moths after HoT release, one would be able to gather 15-20 willing ppl required to kill those mobs and get that HP? It’s barely 6 weeks in and you can’t get the help needed, let alone in months to come. So why should i really even bother bringing my alts through there? The meta events are just like any other for me, tons of blues and greens and an odd rare. All that stress for what? Where is the fun in this?

What I see has happened here, locusts who purchased HoT have already rushed through in the first couple of weeks after launch, got their map completions done with a zerg and all they care about now, its their lootz. Since everything in GW2 is on timers, people don’t want to waste theirs helping others so much anymore. And so, those of us like me, who took their time to actually try and explore the jungle and appreciate all your amazing artistry, well good luck to them in completing these maps.

It’s a real shame and I truly hope you will make map completion in HoT a viable thing not just for now, but future players as well.

I don’t have Ley line mastery and won’t for some time so can’t help. But good luck with it. I have 8 chars with old Tyria map 100%. I know I won’t have 8 chars with maguuma. I may not even have one, not with ridiculous hero points like that and having to solo them on a timer.

Someone ignored me asking for a rez as I laid dead next to the raid entrance.

Sad times, sad…

xD

If it’s just one HP you need, you could always grind out a few WvW ranks in EotM and buy a scroll of Maguuma heroics.

Tiger Ashante.1792:

Since launch, GW2 prided itself as having one of the best, if not the best community of any MMO and rightly so. Always friendly, helpful and more than willing to assist those in need, at least this has been my experience and i’ve always done the same. I’ve lost count how many times i’ve died trying to help others.

But HoT has changed all that.

…….

It’s a real shame and I truly hope you will make map completion in HoT a viable thing not just for now, but future players as well.

this is the portion i read. i will +1 it. hopefully u didnt’ say something crazy in the rest of that stuff

stuffystuffs.8360:

If it’s just one HP you need, you could always grind out a few WvW ranks in EotM and buy a scroll of Maguuma heroics.

While that’s one possibility, I consider it on the same level as telling a WvW or PvP player he can play for hours in PvE and level up a sufficient number of times there in order to reach an unattainable WvW or PvP goal. It’s a viable workaround, but not a satisfying solution to a problem in his area of gameplay.

its very true. in really, its a social/political fact, more hostile enviroment == more hostile ppl.

unfortunately, if this hp its like you said, i will bypass it leveling in WvW =/

You can get that HP with a leap skill or item that performs that action such as the teleport gun.

Re-reading the OP’s post, I wonder if spy kits would allow you to grab that hero point commune?

There is the 3 second stealth kit. I think you can use it while moving
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Order_of_Whispers_Spy_Kit

And there is the 10 second stealth where you can’t move but can commune.
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ash_Legion_Spy_Kit

There is also the harpy feathers that give 3 seconds of stealth.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Harpy_Feathers_

Well I specifically raised the Rez faster mastery for that purpose so not all of us won’t stop and help, though I do agree many don’t which is kind of sad.

Getting on the hill is no issue, so teleport/gun wouldn’t do much.
When ever I did it, I’d get lucky n have others there, so some of us would take agro. One time I got it while another who was communing got hit, so after I finished, I tried to take agro from the other guy, not sure if it worked, those spiders really wanted him lol.

Main issue with DS is the time limit to do everything at the end, most of the people are trying to get as many pods as they can before theyre kicked.

But, what I do, for every HP I can’t solo, is ask in map, sometimes I get people, sometimes not, if not, I move on, or I try to solo anyway, but if you still cant get it, just move on, n watch map chat for someone else who wants it, or people doing HP trains, which I see quite often.

You might also try looking for a YouTube video with a guide for the specific HP you need.

something to think about; if you play in HoT maps all the time after a while it becomes tiresome to see the constant pleas for help. it is on every map and it is 24/7 . I do help people all the time but sometimes especially in DS I would like to do what I am working on for a few minutes. those of us that live in the HoT maps are tired of helping people who 1) refuse to regear for the area if they need to, 2) have not researched or looked at any map guides and expect people to show them around the map when they want it to happen and get mad and frustrated if the rest of the map is not on their schedule 3)many players seem to have this OCD need to map complete as a checklist and then bail to easier places, they want what they want and then they are outta here. if you play on the DS map consistently you will get the spider queen HP , but to come in and expect it to happen in 1 or 3 or even 10 map cycles is not how it is gonna work for most. also their are work arounds , the consumables that grant stealth, having a thief and mesmer grant you stealth, doing this with a guild or group that are willing to cater to your needs, finding the HP train that rolls through all HoT maps on weekends led by people who are dedicated to helping players through these obstacles. and about the no rez thing, in many encounters stopping to rez someone is not the right thing to do as it puts the rezzing player at risk, the rezzing player is not doing damage or mitigating damage for others and you can WP repair and be back in the fight in less than a minute so stop being lazy and cheap , you went down get yourself back up so the rest of the squad/team can do what they need to do.

Get any and all of your hard-to-impossible HPs in WvW.

Proof of Heroics for the win.

Ven Zehn.6573:

Getting on the hill is no issue, so teleport/gun wouldn’t do much.
When ever I did it, I’d get lucky n have others there, so some of us would take agro. One time I got it while another who was communing got hit, so after I finished, I tried to take agro from the other guy, not sure if it worked, those spiders really wanted him lol.

Main issue with DS is the time limit to do everything at the end, most of the people are trying to get as many pods as they can before theyre kicked.

But, what I do, for every HP I can’t solo, is ask in map, sometimes I get people, sometimes not, if not, I move on, or I try to solo anyway, but if you still cant get it, just move on, n watch map chat for someone else who wants it, or people doing HP trains, which I see quite often.

If you do it before the meta completes, there is nothing to aggro.

It hasn’t changed anyone, people are exactly the same it’s the content that has allowed them to show their behaviour under those situations.

We think we’re so nice to each other, helping etc, there is literally no competition for anything and the game was built to assist us in being “good”.

We haven’t changed, the content and systems have.

The community had changed months ago. I saw huge organizations of farmers running together in the form of multiple guilds with portal casters to zerg. They did not rez anyone not in their guilds, even when the corpse was right by their feet.

One reason I feel HoT is going to be like you described. Only a couple real players came by….

Tiger Ashante.1792:

Since launch, GW2 prided itself as having one of the best, if not the best community of any MMO and rightly so. Always friendly, helpful and more than willing to assist those in need, at least this has been my experience and i’ve always done the same. I’ve lost count how many times i’ve died trying to help others.

But HoT has changed all that. Right now in HoT, i see fewer and fewer ppl willing to stop and rez others, or answer a call for help to kill that rabid champ on steroids and its hordes for that HP or w/ever else and it’s getting worse by the day. Even 2 weeks after HoT released, i noticed a decline in those willing to help others, eventhough they all know, these HP’s can’t be soloed. I’ve been in situations where i’ve spent an hour or two asking for assistance with a HP while trying to do events, especially in TD and DS and not one person would reply or come to help, even though i know there’s lots of people in the map.

Despite many difficulties, including my ridiculously high ping, I’ve almost completed DS, just need 1 HP. This last HP i need is guarded by the Spider Queen and is only accessible during the 15 min timer after the successful DS meta and i’ve been trying to get it for days now. Most times when i log in there, the map is deserted. I’d ask in map chat if anyone was there, but no one replies. I’ve had to resort to LFG and on an odd occasion I’ve managed to get a taxi into a good map and got most of the stuff done, except this one HP.

Finally today, i managed to get to it and it’s the most crazy set up I’ve ever seen. It’s like this HP was created by some lunatic goofball frankly. Not only is it gated behind a successful meta and being timed, but it’s very hard to get the Lay Line updraft that starts off the ground and virtually no place to launch from and open ur kite. But once u do get up there, u r in a small area full of spiders, many of them vets and finally the Champ Queen.

I was there alone on my necro, so i summoned my minions thinking they would take attention off me while I commune, but the spiders completely ignored them and just kept on me. The HP is situated on this small rock pillar and whenever i tried to commune, they all rushed at me and each of their hits would interrupt my commune. So i tried to kite them away, but it was no good, they seem to be programmed to stick to the player and i couldn’t shake them off no matter what i did.

I knew the map was populated, we just finished the dragon event and i could still see a few commander badges around the map and while running for my life, i somehow managed to type in map chat asking for help. No one replied, so i repeated the message, pleading for help as i was running out of time, but no one responded. In the end, the spiders overwhelmed me and killed me and i saw this HP slipping away.

Eventually, a lone thief came (thank you whoever u are) and tried to rez me, but i could see he wasn’t going to make it, so i told him no to die as well. He apologized for not being able to help, there was just too many mobs. It was pointless anyway, even if he managed to rez me, 2 of us couldn’t deal with the 30-40 mobs running rampant around the HP, so he left me there. Then with barely 1 minute left, another thief came and actually got me rezzed (i was already partially rezzed by the first thief so it was faster and many thanks to you too) and that very instant, the map reset and i was killed off again and spat to the beginning of the map.

You know Anet? You’ve destroyed my enjoyment of this expansion, but I’m determined to get that last HP one way or another (to get some value for my money and to have at least one char with 100% maguma) and then i’ll never go back to those places again, let alone try map completion on my alts. It’s just not worth the frustration. And just so you know, exploration is my favorite thing in this game. Prior to HoT, I had 9 characters with 100% world completion and they all did it when WvW was part of it. I had every intention of doing the same in HoT but no thanks. I’ve had enough.

That spider queen HP is ridiculous in so many ways. One lone thief coming to help me in a map full of people? While needing 15-20 at least, is what makes this content utterly ridiculous. Not to mention, having that 15 min timer after dragon dies to get it done when u loose at least 5 minutes just getting to the boss chest. What made u think that weeks/moths after HoT release, one would be able to gather 15-20 willing ppl required to kill those mobs and get that HP? It’s barely 6 weeks in and you can’t get the help needed, let alone in months to come. So why should i really even bother bringing my alts through there? The meta events are just like any other for me, tons of blues and greens and an odd rare. All that stress for what? Where is the fun in this?

What I see has happened here, locusts who purchased HoT have already rushed through in the first couple of weeks after launch, got their map completions done with a zerg and all they care about now, its their lootz. Since everything in GW2 is on timers, people don’t want to waste theirs helping others so much anymore. And so, those of us like me, who took their time to actually try and explore the jungle and appreciate all your amazing artistry, well good luck to them in completing these maps.

It’s a real shame and I truly hope you will make map completion in HoT a viable thing not just for now, but future players as well.

If it can be useful to you, the spider queen HP in DS requires no mastery at all. Jump shot, ride the lightning, ancestral grace etc. is all you need. Btw, I’m always glad to help if not in the middle of something.

Tiger Ashante.1792:

And just so you know, exploration is my favorite thing in this game. Prior to HoT, I had 9 characters with 100% world completion and they all did it when WvW was part of it.

Defiling Treekiller.1632:

….rez someone is not the right thing to do as it puts the rezzing player at risk, the rezzing player is not doing damage or mitigating damage for others and you can WP repair and be back in the fight in less than a minute so stop being lazy and cheap , you went down get yourself back up so the rest of the squad/team can do what they need to do.

“Stop being lazy and cheap”? Have you even read his entire post? He doesn’t sound lazy at all, in fact, I highly assume he would complete the HoT maps on all his alts as well if the zones were soloable or at least without those strict timers. Just exploration without any begging for help in map chat he and many others enjoyed before. Heck, he’s done world completion even when WvW was still part of it, I only did this on my main. That’s far away from being lazy.

Also hitting the enter-key from time to time might help to improve your future posts…

OP please stop making threads about how everything is bad just because you are not good at it.

You didn’t read neither. Try again.

mrauls.6519:

Someone ignored me asking for a rez as I laid dead next to the raid entrance.

Sad times, sad…

xD

I hate rezzing people in the jungle and going down as they get up…. Then just watch em run off to a safe spot and waypoint while I bleed out lol.

mrauls.6519:

Someone ignored me asking for a rez as I laid dead next to the raid entrance.

Sad times, sad…

xD

Maybe that someone was like me and disabled all chat except guild chat.

Remember when GW2 had pages of positive feedback and praises?

Besides the whole HP rant I agree on the impact over the community… I also noticed how now people is less likely to res you during meta boss fights specially, now it’s extended to “in general” … there are still some noble souls out there…

kuritsutian.2987:

Besides the whole HP rant I agree on the impact over the community… I also noticed how now people is less likely to res you during meta boss fights specially, now it’s extended to “in general” … there are still some noble souls out there…

Depends, if you’re downed and in a safe spot to rez, people will rez.

If you’re full dead, people risk getting dead themselves by rezzing.

If you’re downed, and in the middle of a fire field or similar, only people with the right utilities can do anything for you without dying.

This is a two way street: I consider you a jerk if you’re full dead and just sitting waiting for a rez, while everyone else WP’s to run back. (not you in particular, just any “you” who does this lol)

I try to res people, but the new HoT zones are deadly it’s easy to get yourself killed if you aren’t careful. If I don’t res it’s often because I don’t think the situation is safe enough to try. I may hang around kill a few mobs and then pet people, but people don’t always wait and way point.

And honestly I don’t think the community changed any. No matter what anyone says, I always feel that GW2 had the worst community I’ve experienced since LoL. And I have tried a lot of MMOs. The difference only being it’s “easy” to be nice in GW2. It’s easy to stop and res someone or help them kill a mob, and you get rewarded for doing so. If wasn’t rewarding, you wouldn’t often see people willing to help. And with HoT zones difficult to traverse, it’s not worth it to most players to come help you unless they also need the trait point.

And I agree with the points stated, if it’s not safe definitively don’t try it, as I wouldn’t … if it’s not practical, kinda depends on the situation… my point being … that’s the impact! the situations created by the design does not promote the benefits of rezing …exp doesn’t cut it …having more players dealing damage would, but there’s no time to rez, or could be easier if they wp (most wp get contested during meta tho, which is aggressive as well) .. I understand the design behind this, HoT is an end zone and should remain difficult… wouldn’t change it… just stating the point whether rezing is not practical and ignoring the fallen might become an habit

I’ll help if you need it. I have leyline mastery. Hit me up in game.

Ven Zehn.6573:

kuritsutian.2987:

Besides the whole HP rant I agree on the impact over the community… I also noticed how now people is less likely to res you during meta boss fights specially, now it’s extended to “in general” … there are still some noble souls out there…

Depends, if you’re downed and in a safe spot to rez, people will rez.

If you’re full dead, people risk getting dead themselves by rezzing.

If you’re downed, and in the middle of a fire field or similar, only people with the right utilities can do anything for you without dying.

This is a two way street: I consider you a jerk if you’re full dead and just sitting waiting for a rez, while everyone else WP’s to run back. (not you in particular, just any “you” who does this lol)

+1 Totally agree, if your in a “downed” state in the middle of a fight I will do my best to try and get you back up, even to the point of going down myself. But if your dead while the fight is still on, then you really need to wp and run back or wait till the fight is over. Rez’in someone who is dead in the middle of a fight takes way too long plus it takes two people out of the fight, one, you being dead, and two, the person trying to rez you.

Coyote.7031:

I try to res people, but the new HoT zones are deadly it’s easy to get yourself killed if you aren’t careful. If I don’t res it’s often because I don’t think the situation is safe enough to try. I may hang around kill a few mobs and then pet people, but people don’t always wait and way point.

And honestly I don’t think the community changed any. No matter what anyone says, I always feel that GW2 had the worst community I’ve experienced since LoL. And I have tried a lot of MMOs. The difference only being it’s “easy” to be nice in GW2. It’s easy to stop and res someone or help them kill a mob, and you get rewarded for doing so. If wasn’t rewarding, you wouldn’t often see people willing to help. And with HoT zones difficult to traverse, it’s not worth it to most players to come help you unless they also need the trait point.

1000 times this.

Drew.7192:

Ven Zehn.6573:

kuritsutian.2987:

Besides the whole HP rant I agree on the impact over the community… I also noticed how now people is less likely to res you during meta boss fights specially, now it’s extended to “in general” … there are still some noble souls out there…

Depends, if you’re downed and in a safe spot to rez, people will rez.

If you’re full dead, people risk getting dead themselves by rezzing.

If you’re downed, and in the middle of a fire field or similar, only people with the right utilities can do anything for you without dying.

This is a two way street: I consider you a jerk if you’re full dead and just sitting waiting for a rez, while everyone else WP’s to run back. (not you in particular, just any “you” who does this lol)

+1 Totally agree, if your in a “downed” state in the middle of a fight I will do my best to try and get you back up, even to the point of going down myself. But if your dead while the fight is still on, then you really need to wp and run back or wait till the fight is over. Rez’in someone who is dead in the middle of a fight takes way too long plus it takes two people out of the fight, one, you being dead, and two, the person trying to rez you.

Absolutely this. I will absolutely go out of my way to get someone up and back into a fight. However, there are caveats, if you’re lying dead somewhere, up you go, if you’re inexplicably lying dead two inches from a waypoint, up you go. If you’re dead at a meta boss or similar, I will walk all over your corpse while I fight and wait for you to waypoint out.

Why? Because most HoT bosses, especially the Chak Gerent, are just giant DPS races. Your corpse is scaling the boss, me stopping to rez you lowers the overall group damage and leads to a higher chance of failure and having stand in one spot rezzing a person who won’t waypoint while the AoE happy bosses are doing their thing is a real good way to get killed yourself. If you’re downed, I’ll help you up. If you die, it’s on you to waypoint out and get back into the fight.

kuritsutian.2987:

Besides the whole HP rant I agree on the impact over the community… I also noticed how now people is less likely to res you during meta boss fights specially, now it’s extended to “in general” … there are still some noble souls out there…

Like others have said, it depends. If you are fully dead and we are in the middle of the meta. Yeah you better run your kitten back because you aren’t getting a rez and I consider you a jerk for sitting there expecting a rez under such circumstances. Especially if we are talking about the Chak Gerent. We don’t have time for rezzing the fully dead. It’s a dps race. This has always been the case though and not something new to HoT. If you are downed and I find I can rez you without getting myself killed then I’ll do it for sure. But if I feel I can’t rez you without getting myself killed then I might not chance it. Then again sometimes I take the chance and try anyway (and usually get downed lol).

I had one case not long ago where some guy was getting the crap beaten out of him by some chak mobs while a bunch of us were killing the champ chak HP in TD. He went down, I tried to get him back up but was taking a hell of a lot of damage almost going down myself so I had to back off. He went fully dead and started calling me names because I couldn’t rez him. He was some jerk who commands HP trains in TD apparently.

To be honest, I don’t think the community has changed. It’s a large community and there are nasty people in it and there are nice people. That’s just the way it is when dealing with the online world (or hell even the real world).

Lot of people are focusing on the ‘rezzing issue". Although I sighted that people rezz less in HoT, the main point i was trying to make is that people didn’t want to help me with the HP that required a largish group of people to kill the mobs and the spider queen champ, or to at least take attention from me while i commune with the Hero Challenge. I wasn’t dead for a long time, i kited the mobs while asking for help, in hope someone would come, but sadly only 1-2 people did individually, which simply wasn’t enough and sadly by then i was dead. I took me ages to successfully grab that lay line so waypointing would have made me miss it anyway as i would have been in even greater panic to get lay line up, which no doubt wouldn’t have worked.

Also, it’s not that i’m short on HP, but u HAVE to get every HP in all the maps to get a map completion, which in turns gives u gift of Maguma, which is required to craft the new legendary weapons.

Please note too, I do have Lay Line gliding, but the lay line up to the boss does not appear until the successful meta is done and frankly, for me, this lay line mastery is useless for most part due to my high ping rate. It rarely works. So that is not the issue and yes, I would agree with some comments that it’s content design that’s changing the player’s attitude. It’s kind of forced upon them really, but I would still had hoped some people would have spared a few minutes to help.

One issue is the contribution bar and players wanting to focus on filling it up before the next part of the meta event starts the other one is map hopping or rather the fact that it is now required gameplay for pretty much everything in Maguuma unless you enjoy wasting your time.

Less people ress others it seems and often times ress dead ones in combat or before getting downed players back on their feet. In general unless there’s danger to myself I always focus on getting downed players back up since it yields a good amount of exp for my effort and adds another meatshield to the fray. I don’t however ress dead people while in combat since it’s a waste of time and the risk of getting downed yourself is actually substansial at many events.

As for the HP … shouldn’t “requires ley line gliding” answer the question as to why people are not responding to you? Most players simply run towards you if you write in chat and link the POI or WP near the HP you want to do or activate your apple. Most however will not use chat to reply unless they’re far enough away to worry about you being done before they get there.
Also harder to do/reach HPs are less interesting if you already did them since the effort will often outweight your personal gain in experience apart from diverting your attention away from map objectives unless it’s the cooldown phase.

You don’t need ley line matey for that HP, it’s a common misconception, you only need lean techniques. Yes ley line is needed for the most direct approach, but if you go to the middle wp on the middle lane, and then run East, you can get there with some clever jumping and lean gliding. I’d be happy to show anyone this so that alts aren’t blocked

SkyFallsInThunder.8257:

This thread is top kek.

Moving on…

And here is a perfect example of the new breed of HoT attitude haha

sephiroth.4217:

mrauls.6519:

Someone ignored me asking for a rez as I laid dead next to the raid entrance.

Sad times, sad…

xD

I hate rezzing people in the jungle and going down as they get up…. Then just watch em run off to a safe spot and waypoint while I bleed out lol.

Aww please tell me that didnt actually happen? That’s pretty low…like who does that? lol

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Re-reading the OP’s post, I wonder if spy kits would allow you to grab that hero point commune?

There is the 3 second stealth kit. I think you can use it while moving
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Order_of_Whispers_Spy_Kit

And there is the 10 second stealth where you can’t move but can commune.
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ash_Legion_Spy_Kit

There is also the harpy feathers that give 3 seconds of stealth.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Harpy_Feathers_

Last time I tried the Ash Legion Spy Kit (about a month ago) it gave me one second of stealth (was trying to commune with that one place in Malchor’s that’s protected by a champion). I’m not sure if they’ve bothered to fix it.

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Tiger Ashante.1792:

Since launch, GW2 prided itself as having one of the best, if not the best community of any MMO and rightly so. Always friendly, helpful and more than willing to assist those in need

Featuring: "
-Full zerk or GTfO!
-LFG: no necros or rangers!
-Link gear on join!
-Know how to stealth skip 90% of the dungeon!
-5k AP or GTfO!
-Nothing but constant complaining on the forum since the release of the game.
-“Play something other than DD ele / Burn GRD skill-less n00b”!

DD ele actually requires some skill because you need to manage your utilities, all those CD’s, and make snap judgments on when to switch attunements like water. Even the autoattacks have a slight charge to them.

What’s wrong with asking for people to know how to stealth skip? If they don’t know then they can be told when. Yeah the full zerk is a bit silly but if that’s what the leader is looking for it has to be respected. As for no rangers…yeah Pet AI can screw up strategies and mechanics but druid is one of if not the best class because it has so much condition removal, healing, long ranged attacks, and pets on top of that.

Zerker I think was intended to be a PvP or WvW niche assassin that required teamspeak to be viable, but due to poor AI and rotations would up being the dungeon meta. Dungeon bosses traditionally hit very hard which is why tanks traditionally were needed. Some big thing with millions of HP that can two or one shot glass cannons and immune to CC demands a different statset from fighting other players. Since Guild Wars 2 has no hard trinity players were assumed to take some vitality and toughness to account for how hard bosses are supposed to hit, you only have two dodges so you should be guaranteed to eat some damage but save dodges for when it really counts.

Pandaman.4758:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Re-reading the OP’s post, I wonder if spy kits would allow you to grab that hero point commune?

There is the 3 second stealth kit. I think you can use it while moving
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Order_of_Whispers_Spy_Kit

And there is the 10 second stealth where you can’t move but can commune.
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ash_Legion_Spy_Kit

There is also the harpy feathers that give 3 seconds of stealth.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Harpy_Feathers_

Last time I tried the Ash Legion Spy Kit (about a month ago) it gave me one second of stealth (was trying to commune with that one place in Malchor’s that’s protected by a champion). I’m not sure if they’ve bothered to fix it.

It’s a little buggy and can sometimes not work but I’ve used it to get communes guarded by a boss fairly recently .

TLDR.

HOT didn’t change the community, the community already changing way before HOT but just that people too oblivious to the small changes and can only see the accumulated changes.

There’s no such thing as a community when you’re just on random maps. There’s just players.

Tiger Ashante.1792:

Since launch, GW2 prided itself as having one of the best, if not the best community of any MMO and rightly so. Always friendly, helpful and more than willing to assist those in need, at least this has been my experience and i’ve always done the same. I’ve lost count how many times i’ve died trying to help others.

But HoT has changed all that. Right now in HoT, i see fewer and fewer ppl willing to stop and rez others, or answer a call for help to kill that rabid champ on steroids and its hordes for that HP or w/ever else and it’s getting worse by the day. Even 2 weeks after HoT released, i noticed a decline in those willing to help others, eventhough they all know, these HP’s can’t be soloed. I’ve been in situations where i’ve spent an hour or two asking for assistance with a HP while trying to do events, especially in TD and DS and not one person would reply or come to help, even though i know there’s lots of people in the map.

Despite many difficulties, including my ridiculously high ping, I’ve almost completed DS, just need 1 HP. This last HP i need is guarded by the Spider Queen and is only accessible during the 15 min timer after the successful DS meta and i’ve been trying to get it for days now. Most times when i log in there, the map is deserted. I’d ask in map chat if anyone was there, but no one replies. I’ve had to resort to LFG and on an odd occasion I’ve managed to get a taxi into a good map and got most of the stuff done, except this one HP.

Finally today, i managed to get to it and it’s the most crazy set up I’ve ever seen. It’s like this HP was created by some lunatic goofball frankly. Not only is it gated behind a successful meta and being timed, but it’s very hard to get the Lay Line updraft that starts off the ground and virtually no place to launch from and open ur kite. But once u do get up there, u r in a small area full of spiders, many of them vets and finally the Champ Queen.

I was there alone on my necro, so i summoned my minions thinking they would take attention off me while I commune, but the spiders completely ignored them and just kept on me. The HP is situated on this small rock pillar and whenever i tried to commune, they all rushed at me and each of their hits would interrupt my commune. So i tried to kite them away, but it was no good, they seem to be programmed to stick to the player and i couldn’t shake them off no matter what i did.

I knew the map was populated, we just finished the dragon event and i could still see a few commander badges around the map and while running for my life, i somehow managed to type in map chat asking for help. No one replied, so i repeated the message, pleading for help as i was running out of time, but no one responded. In the end, the spiders overwhelmed me and killed me and i saw this HP slipping away.

Eventually, a lone thief came (thank you whoever u are) and tried to rez me, but i could see he wasn’t going to make it, so i told him no to die as well. He apologized for not being able to help, there was just too many mobs. It was pointless anyway, even if he managed to rez me, 2 of us couldn’t deal with the 30-40 mobs running rampant around the HP, so he left me there. Then with barely 1 minute left, another thief came and actually got me rezzed (i was already partially rezzed by the first thief so it was faster and many thanks to you too) and that very instant, the map reset and i was killed off again and spat to the beginning of the map.

You know Anet? You’ve destroyed my enjoyment of this expansion, but I’m determined to get that last HP one way or another (to get some value for my money and to have at least one char with 100% maguma) and then i’ll never go back to those places again, let alone try map completion on my alts. It’s just not worth the frustration. And just so you know, exploration is my favorite thing in this game. Prior to HoT, I had 9 characters with 100% world completion and they all did it when WvW was part of it. I had every intention of doing the same in HoT but no thanks. I’ve had enough.

That spider queen HP is ridiculous in so many ways. One lone thief coming to help me in a map full of people? While needing 15-20 at least, is what makes this content utterly ridiculous. Not to mention, having that 15 min timer after dragon dies to get it done when u loose at least 5 minutes just getting to the boss chest. What made u think that weeks/moths after HoT release, one would be able to gather 15-20 willing ppl required to kill those mobs and get that HP? It’s barely 6 weeks in and you can’t get the help needed, let alone in months to come. So why should i really even bother bringing my alts through there? The meta events are just like any other for me, tons of blues and greens and an odd rare. All that stress for what? Where is the fun in this?

What I see has happened here, locusts who purchased HoT have already rushed through in the first couple of weeks after launch, got their map completions done with a zerg and all they care about now, its their lootz. Since everything in GW2 is on timers, people don’t want to waste theirs helping others so much anymore. And so, those of us like me, who took their time to actually try and explore the jungle and appreciate all your amazing artistry, well good luck to them in completing these maps.

It’s a real shame and I truly hope you will make map completion in HoT a viable thing not just for now, but future players as well.

1. HPs can be soloed – not all but a good number of them can.

2. Get a commander tag – ping the waypoint and presto – your very own zerg ready to help you with the HP. It’s amazing how people will almost automatically drop stuff and go follow a tag. It works for me 80% of the times.

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Tiger Ashante.1792:

Since launch, GW2 prided itself as having one of the best, if not the best community of any MMO and rightly so. Always friendly, helpful and more than willing to assist those in need

Featuring: "
-Full zerk or GTfO!
-LFG: no necros or rangers!
-Link gear on join!
-Know how to stealth skip 90% of the dungeon!
-5k AP or GTfO!
-Nothing but constant complaining on the forum since the release of the game.
-“Play something other than DD ele / Burn GRD skill-less n00b”!

You meant 15k ap right?

People do come to help, but it takes persistence because the content isn’t as easy, the wps are further apart, and they could just be tired. If you meet up with helpful people, ask if you can add them, and also help them out when they have problems. That’s how you get around these things.

But hey, at least people have their reasons usually instead of being counterproductive. I had a case yesterday where back in Tyria I was fighting that nasty elite noble in Cursed Shore guarding a hero point when someone saw that I was fighting it, and ran past us to grab the skill point and left instead of like oh I dunno, pressing 1 or something which would have made it easier for both of us. Fortunately I didn’t die, but what if I did?

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Tiger Ashante.1792:

Since launch, GW2 prided itself as having one of the best, if not the best community of any MMO and rightly so. Always friendly, helpful and more than willing to assist those in need

Featuring: "
-Full zerk or GTfO!
-LFG: no necros or rangers!
-Link gear on join!
-Know how to stealth skip 90% of the dungeon!
-5k AP or GTfO!
-Nothing but constant complaining on the forum since the release of the game.
-“Play something other than DD ele / Burn GRD skill-less n00b”!

That’s just a vocal minority that can be safely ignored and avoided. My run-ins with these folks outside of forum complaining which also could be avoided has been minimal.

Not joining any specific sounding speedrun has help matters. PvP is a bit worse, but honestly I’ve never seen any PvP atmosphere that didn’t have toxic people.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Heroics_Notary

doable at any time of day.

This doesn’t address the problem with communities and the other problematic HPs, but the HP in question can be gotten to without leyline gliding and without spiders. Go there before the meta event completes and follow this video:

Did HoT change the community or did it shine a spotlight on an unpleasant truth that, perhaps, it was never really any better than other MMO communities? Removing a mask isn’t changing anything, just showing tge true face.

Ashen.2907:

Did HoT change the community or did it shine a spotlight on an unpleasant truth that, perhaps, it was never really any better than other MMO communities? Removing a mask isn’t changing anything, just showing tge true face.

If by “truth” you mean that people react differently after 3 years, well that’s a very long facade to keep up appearances.

Maybe the simpler solution might be in order:

Current events are more selfish and the timegates and limited access to rewards makes people less social. Doesn’t mean the community as such is worse, just that the event design leads to unpleasant behavior.

a promise to not invalidate our hard worked for gear at 16.40.
no new gear tiers would be added.
then they add a new tier of armor and lock most players out of it.
Its the lies from anet and the excuses they make to cover them up that is tearing this community apart.

Cyninja.2954:

Ashen.2907:

Did HoT change the community or did it shine a spotlight on an unpleasant truth that, perhaps, it was never really any better than other MMO communities? Removing a mask isn’t changing anything, just showing tge true face.

If by “truth” you mean that people react differently after 3 years, well that’s a very long facade to keep up appearances.

Maybe the simpler solution might be in order:

Current events are more selfish and the timegates and limited access to rewards makes people less social. Doesn’t mean the community as such is worse, just that the event design leads to unpleasant behavior.

Nope. I mean that perhaps the behavior has been there all along, but now, with players compressed into a smaller space in game, it is more noticable. Perhaps there isn’t more of the behavior described by the OP, just greater visibility of what has always been there.