Guild Wars 2

CrimsonDX.4821:

Taglor Anwamane.9468:

This is nothing short of an insult to every single one of those who have been loyally playing for so long. They’re giving new players the expansion practically for free in comparison!
And it’s not as if they’re offering a full game’s worth of content, either.

Get off your high horse.

Given the amount of free content they have given us since launch, this is nothing. Certainly far less than what we would have paid in total subscription costs since launch

I don’t care about the constant free content, I am a WvW/pvp player I get ignored for 2 years.

Its a few new zones, 7 existing weapon sets w/ new utilities for each class, and a new class. Am I missing something?

I was expecting maybe $40 at the absolute most (and with a character slot to boot), but $50 with no slot…

That’s just steep enough to push me into considering taking a break from the game and coming back when the price drops or there’s a sale or something.

And I feel bad for anyone who recently bought GW2 in preparation for HoT.

I am also very disappointed about this. I think most people are missing the point that people like me are upset about.

If you’re a new comer to Guild Wars 2, then you would have paid $50 for Guild Wars 2, the Core Game and the Expansion.. While veteran players the source of ANets, renewable income are paying $100.

If you already have the Core Game, then I seriously doubt that you would actually obtain a secondary account. It just does not make sense to have the veteran players purchase the Core Game twice, and only have one account. You’re not being fair to those who have been loyal tot he game. Also, you’re not even giving the people an additional character slot for the new profession, unless that want to cough up another $25 and get the deluxe edition (for spend $10 for 800 gems in game or convert in game currency).

It just feels like the seasoned players are being milked for every penny, while any new comers to the game would have paid HALF of what the seasoned players have had to pay. This just.. does… not… make… sense.

There needs to be an option for the people who already have the core game to be able to purchase the expansion on its own.

JakeG.9620:

But if you’re buying the core game + expansion you’re basically buying a new account. What would happen with the old account then?

Thats a good question, why buy this, if i buy a new account with hot and core, costs the same and i get 5 character slots…

…can’t people wait at least a day or to for the E3 hype to settle, so that additional details about the expansion only bundle come out?

It’s not like they’re going to make older players miss beta events by only giving out preorder bundles that have core+HoT. That would take at the very least a week, and next patch might highly likely not have a beta event within that time frame.

Edit 1: That makes THREE WEEKS of waiting. THREE KITTENING weeks to wait for HoT-only preorder bundles to come out for players with the base game already.

If this is not categorized as a shady business then i don’t know .. someone please tell me what kind of a crook business is this? hahah … lol … just lol … and so many people bought it already lmao. viva consumerism. i won’t buy it. nope,not gona happen.

I think it’s very sweet of them to offer the base game for free, however I’ve never purchased an expansion that came with a new class and no new character slot. I suppose anet could trying to encourage us all to buy a new character slots with the gold we’ve been farming out in the silverwastes. If it’s not, that’s shame. It’s what I’ll be doing as I have zero interest in the digital items the more expensive editions offer.

Angel.6085:

You guys realize that $20 is roughly the cost of any living story. IE one or partial sections of one kittenty map and maybe 3 missions right?

All of you people expecting this for $20 are just not thinking, at all. It’s pretty funny.

I agree the standard should have a character slot. I also expected it to cost $50 and you should have expected it too.

Given that Anet has sold GW for what, $5? in the past, I seriously hope that they drop the price to $44.99 and let the people cry about it.

Please explain how you think this expac is adding enough content to be worth the price of the base game at release lol

Dead.5829:

TrunkMonkey.7589:

Most of the long time players pay minimum $60 when the game came out. Now Anet wants us to pay $50 for the xpac (which includes the base game). Basically making long time players pay $110 for the SAME content as NEW players who pay just $50.

You seem to be a generous fellow. Instead of looking at it as you’re being shafted, maybe look at it as being easier to get new people into the game. New blood is good, yes?

It’s not being sold to new players. How does this escape all the people who are saying this? The products are in the gem store. There’s a little pop-up thing in-game that directs you to it. The only people this is being sold to are already established players.

If this is your first MMO, news flash, every other MMO, including Guild Wars 1, put out their expansions for $50, if not more. How about we calm down and demand that they at least put a character slot in the standard edition? That’s just common sense.

Or maybe they care about getting new players in easily, and the inclusion is for them, not you.

DoAyari.2719:

I believe it’s fair as well. I just really don’t want another account…

Lol, you’re not getting one.

I just think they made a mistake I think the should have worded it like this “Contains the core game for new players” I think people would be less upset if they just thought this through a little. The price point is inline with the industry standard pricing so I don’t have a problem.

There is no way to justify making players that already have to game to re-buy the whole game just for the expansion, this makes no since and I’m not paying 50 dollars, or more, for a game I already have. They either need to make a new option that gives players with the game a reason to buy it (Such as offering more character slots, gems, or something that covers the cost of the core game), or drop the price for players with the core game already. Either way I won’t be pre-purchasing until this issue is fixed.

Orochimaru.4730:

You can still ask for a refund via a support ticket.

I don’t want a refund, I want justice (that sounded so corny)

But honestly, they can keep my 40, I just want to see that they try to do something besides make corny jokes on threads instead of keeping their players happy.

Oh @The Rice Hat Samurai, This isn’t my first MMO, played ALOT before. But all were f2p. I don’t really expect to pay nothing for this expansion, but I’d rather not pay a whopping $50 for the game+expansion when they just made me pay $40 for the game already.

Quick question, what happens if you don’t buy the expansion?

Ephemiel.5694:

The Rice Hat Samurai.5348:

waSte.8640:

Khristophoros.7194:

I am willing to pay $19.99 for an account upgrade that has the HoT content and includes a character slot. I am not interested in your products if you’re trying to scam me.

My thoughts exactly. Not buying at that pricepoint especially kitten off no character slot. LOL!

How is it a scam? Have you ever bought an expansion for an MMO before? News flash, they’re all $50+.

Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward is $40. Shut up.

Guild Wars: Factions, $50, Guild Wars: Nightfall, $50. No. Look at EVERY expansion for World of Warcraft then come back.

I never said it was worth it, it’s what should be expected. It’s within typical pricing brackets. And I had two collector editions. Soooo for me it feels proportionally fair ;p

HatSimulator.9362:

Angel.6085:

You guys realize that $20 is roughly the cost of any living story. IE one or partial sections of one kittenty map and maybe 3 missions right?

All of you people expecting this for $20 are just not thinking, at all. It’s pretty funny.

I agree the standard should have a character slot. I also expected it to cost $50 and you should have expected it too.

Given that Anet has sold GW for what, $5? in the past, I seriously hope that they drop the price to $44.99 and let the people cry about it.

Please explain how you think this expac is adding enough content to be worth the price of the base game at release lol

Foreal, some people say stupid stuff… Who pays for the living story anyway?!

Why should people who purchase the expansion also be forced to purchase the core game for a second time?! There should be a package that inclused the core game and HoT, but seasoned players should not have to purchased the core game again in order to obtain the expansion! That is a big pile of B.S.

Id probably pay the 50$ if it included a char slot.

Nunna.6413:

If this is not categorized as a shady business then i don’t know .. someone please tell me what kind of a crook business is this? hahah … lol … just lol … and so many people bought it already lmao. viva consumerism. i won’t buy it. nope,not gona happen.

Its not a shady business deal. You aren’t actually buying the core game. The expansion is $50. New players just get the base game for free because its old content which is great. Its not like WoW where a new player would have to buy the the base game, the old expansions, and the new expansion which really put a strain on getting new people to try the game.

Everyone is really overthinking this.

Feirlista Xv.1425:

I just think they made a mistake I think the should have worded it like this “Contains the core game for new players” I think people would be less upset if they just thought this through a little. The price point is inline with the industry standard pricing so I don’t have a problem.

So 50 for the core game + xpack for people who do not own it.
And 50 for the xpack for people who do?

Yep, that would make everyone happy.

Sykper.6583:

Or, it could be that the expansion itself is $50, but in an attempt to attract new players the core game comes ‘free’ to them if they bought the expansion at the same price as the rest of us.

It’s a common marketing and economic tactic that works wonders, not a single quality MMO hasn’t done something like this before.

Do you believe the expansion is worth $50 though? Not to dismiss the work ANet put into it, but from everything we’ve seen it’s a mini expansion, it doesn’t offer nearly as much that every other quality MMO’s expansion does at this price point. The only thing that could justify this price is if the core game was bundled in with it at a 50%~75% discount or if ANet has been really coy and is actually including an entire continent in HoT to surprise us with.

I hope it’s the latter, because if it’s the former I have to really wonder if we’re going to be saddled with an extra account every time an expansion comes out.

Advent Leader.1083:

…can’t people wait at least a day or to for the E3 hype to settle, so that additional details about the expansion only bundle come out?

It’s not like they’re going to make older players miss beta events by only giving out preorder bundles that have core+HoT. That would take at the very least a week, and next patch might highly likely not have a beta event within that time frame.

I would agree with you, if they had given any indication whatsoever that such a bundle was coming. The fact that you can buy the $50 version in-game seems to indicate it’s not.

HoT Preorder: €45 with no new character slot
Witcher 3 2 Expansions Preorder: €25

I’ll stay some more in Skellige and Novigrad I guess.

people keep saying that the living word content more then justify the price of HoT, fail to see how, LW is only free for a limited time and then gets removed and put behind a pay wall, so how does limited time free content justify charging core game price for less content.

Harrier.9380:

The Rice Hat Samurai.5348:

waSte.8640:

Khristophoros.7194:

I am willing to pay $19.99 for an account upgrade that has the HoT content and includes a character slot. I am not interested in your products if you’re trying to scam me.

My thoughts exactly. Not buying at that pricepoint especially kitten off no character slot. LOL!

How is it a scam? Have you ever bought an expansion for an MMO before? News flash, they’re all $50+.

I beg to differ.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/359480/

We also don’t pay a subscription fee.

50 is too pricey for what we’re getting. IMO……depending on what “challenging group content” is, i’d be willing to go as high as 35.

oh well…if anet feels 50 is what its worth, its their game…..

Many people have put a decent amount of money into the Gem Store. To pull this type of stunt is just a big middle finger at those ‘loyal’ players. They might not be ‘loyal’ anymore, GREAT job guys.

Shifu.4321:

Ephemiel.5694:

The Rice Hat Samurai.5348:

waSte.8640:

Khristophoros.7194:

I am willing to pay $19.99 for an account upgrade that has the HoT content and includes a character slot. I am not interested in your products if you’re trying to scam me.

My thoughts exactly. Not buying at that pricepoint especially kitten off no character slot. LOL!

How is it a scam? Have you ever bought an expansion for an MMO before? News flash, they’re all $50+.

Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward is $40. Shut up.

Whoa! A whole $10 difference! What a game breaker!

Hell, even GW2’s monthly fee is higher.

And guess what it includes!? A completely new race, 3 new classes, new skills for everyone, class-specific Limit Breaks, completely new areas, flying, airships, dungeons and raids!!

What does HoT give us for $10 bucks more? Elite specs which won’t help the professions that much [Necro will still be dead], one new profession with 0 changes to reflect that it exists, and a couple new areas and the masteries.

Wonder which one gives more by a long shot?

Out of 20 guild members only 1 is willing to pay that price. It’s not a scientific sample but it’s probably not too unusual either.
For a couple pve maps and elite specializations the price is absurd. If I had that money to spend I could buy another game, not just DLC.

If a 10-20$ HoT ONLY package doesnt come out soon I have a feeling you wont be selling as many copies as you’d like. Hiking the price up in anticipation of that is just shooting yourself in the foot. Better to go high quality, small portion, reasonable price than medium quality, medium portion high price. The latter is how you lose loyalty, but the former is how you gain it.

Smoky Diamond.7468:

I agree that $50 dollars for the expansion is ridiculous for those of us who already own the game. $75 if you want any extras at all is just plain stupid. I have a household that all plays Gw2, and it gets expensive very quickly. Looks like I’ll be sticking to other online games. :/

This exactly.

In all honesty while $50 (over $60 to us Canadians) is quite a lot for just an expansion (WoW’s most recent expansion was $80 for standard here), I still feel that the amount of hours you get out of it makes it more worth it. Some people brag about having 3000+ hours, for a 20-60$ game purchase that’s pretty good.

The part that really leaves a sour taste in my mouth is the lack of an additional character slot in the base version, I’m now forced to either spend additional money to unlock one or buy the deluxe version or to delete one of my existing characters if I want to use the new revenant which is a key feature of the expansion.

The Rice Hat Samurai.5348:

Ephemiel.5694:

The Rice Hat Samurai.5348:

waSte.8640:

Khristophoros.7194:

I am willing to pay $19.99 for an account upgrade that has the HoT content and includes a character slot. I am not interested in your products if you’re trying to scam me.

My thoughts exactly. Not buying at that pricepoint especially kitten off no character slot. LOL!

How is it a scam? Have you ever bought an expansion for an MMO before? News flash, they’re all $50+.

Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward is $40. Shut up.

Guild Wars: Factions, $50, Guild Wars: Nightfall, $50. No. Look at EVERY expansion for World of Warcraft then come back.

Factions and Nightfall weren’t expansions. They were separate games that could be linked to each other and Prophesies.

The Rice Hat Samurai.5348:

Harrier.9380:

The Rice Hat Samurai.5348:

waSte.8640:

Khristophoros.7194:

I am willing to pay $19.99 for an account upgrade that has the HoT content and includes a character slot. I am not interested in your products if you’re trying to scam me.

My thoughts exactly. Not buying at that pricepoint especially kitten off no character slot. LOL!

How is it a scam? Have you ever bought an expansion for an MMO before? News flash, they’re all $50+.

I beg to differ.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/359480/

We also don’t pay a subscription fee.

do you realize how much they make off of gems

Feirlista Xv.1425:

I just think they made a mistake I think the should have worded it like this “Contains the core game for new players” I think people would be less upset if they just thought this through a little. The price point is inline with the industry standard pricing so I don’t have a problem.

Actually no, at 30 i am ok with no extras, at 40 i am ok with it if it came with 1 slot, at 50 it has to come at least with 2. It costs them nothing and nobody would have complained.

The Rice Hat Samurai.5348:

Harrier.9380:

The Rice Hat Samurai.5348:

waSte.8640:

Khristophoros.7194:

I am willing to pay $19.99 for an account upgrade that has the HoT content and includes a character slot. I am not interested in your products if you’re trying to scam me.

My thoughts exactly. Not buying at that pricepoint especially kitten off no character slot. LOL!

How is it a scam? Have you ever bought an expansion for an MMO before? News flash, they’re all $50+.

I beg to differ.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/359480/

We also don’t pay a subscription fee.

Because if we did, gw2 would lose half of its population. Doesn’t mean people will want to buy xpack this expensive.

Pandaman.4758:

Sykper.6583:

Or, it could be that the expansion itself is $50, but in an attempt to attract new players the core game comes ‘free’ to them if they bought the expansion at the same price as the rest of us.

It’s a common marketing and economic tactic that works wonders, not a single quality MMO hasn’t done something like this before.

Do you believe the expansion is worth $50 though? Not to dismiss the work ANet put into it, but from everything we’ve seen it’s a mini expansion, it doesn’t offer nearly as much that every other quality MMO’s expansion does at this price point. The only thing that could justify this price is if the core game was bundled in with it at a 50%~75% discount or if ANet has been really coy and is actually including an entire continent in HoT to surprise us with.

I hope it’s the latter, because if it’s the former I have to really wonder if we’re going to be saddled with an extra account every time an expansion comes out.

That’s worth exploring – if you don’t think they’ve added enough to justify $50 then please do not purchase it. Perhaps closer to release we’ll know if $50 is the correct price – but doomsayers complaining about the ‘core game’ included as driving the price up are just deluded.

mimijimi.8537:

The Rice Hat Samurai.5348:

Harrier.9380:

The Rice Hat Samurai.5348:

waSte.8640:

Khristophoros.7194:

I am willing to pay $19.99 for an account upgrade that has the HoT content and includes a character slot. I am not interested in your products if you’re trying to scam me.

My thoughts exactly. Not buying at that pricepoint especially kitten off no character slot. LOL!

How is it a scam? Have you ever bought an expansion for an MMO before? News flash, they’re all $50+.

I beg to differ.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/359480/

We also don’t pay a subscription fee.

do you realize how much they make off of gems

Which is entirely optional and voluntary. Not compulsory like a subscription fee.

This economist dev has been reading some principal micro it seems.
Good job on the bundling, sure you’re gonna capture some additional surplus with the strategy.

But not on me.

Feirlista Xv.1425:

I just think they made a mistake I think the should have worded it like this “Contains the core game for new players” I think people would be less upset if they just thought this through a little. The price point is inline with the industry standard pricing so I don’t have a problem.

It’s not the wording. it’s the fact that new players are being treated better than existing players. if it was a bundle deal, and I could upgrade my main account and use the core game as an alt, I’d be fine, because I’m paying for both and I’m getting both. however, as it is, being an existing player will cost you that second account – so I’m paying for both and I’m getting one.

it’s just not exactly fair, y’know.

mimijimi.8537:

The Rice Hat Samurai.5348:

Harrier.9380:

The Rice Hat Samurai.5348:

waSte.8640:

Khristophoros.7194:

I am willing to pay $19.99 for an account upgrade that has the HoT content and includes a character slot. I am not interested in your products if you’re trying to scam me.

My thoughts exactly. Not buying at that pricepoint especially kitten off no character slot. LOL!

How is it a scam? Have you ever bought an expansion for an MMO before? News flash, they’re all $50+.

I beg to differ.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/359480/

We also don’t pay a subscription fee.

do you realize how much they make off of gems

ALOT, I bought more gems then game purchase price. I just need a good buzz and BOOM, GEMS!

If guild halls are unlocked in the new map, then only those who purchase the expansion are able to unlock them. With the upgrades shown, guilds can have airships and tanks in WvW now. Does this mean that there is an advantage buy buying this expansion that others will not have that do not purchase this from a WvW perspective?

Kenjiro.2671:

Orochimaru.4730:

You can still ask for a refund via a support ticket.

I don’t want a refund, I want justice (that sounded so corny)

But honestly, they can keep my 40, I just want to see that they try to do something besides make corny jokes on threads instead of keeping their players happy.

Right, I though they were better than the rest. But I guess the best now is GTA V, they got enough money from the monetary transactions that DLCs were kept free because of em. I’m not saying the expansion should be free, but what just happened was uncalled for.

In all the threads expressing ire about the pricing shown in the Gem Store for HoT preorders, I frequently see statements such as:

“Instead of looking at it as you’re being shafted, maybe look at it as being easier to get new people into the game. New blood is good, yes?”

Think about this for a moment. The HoT preorder options are only available in the gem store at this minute. And there was a little popup flag in-game that redirected me to the Gem Store page for HoT. There is no way that this is for new players. It’s for players who already have the game, and are playing it right now.

I can’t possibly be the only one who understands this.

Yeah and why don’t we just hand our old account over to someone who doesn’t care for the expansion with the serial no#. That way we can shell out the 50 dollars without guilt to buy the game AGAIN and have our expansion with it= Happy players… Man did i get kicked in the head??? been here since day 1

$20 is a fair price without chara slot, $30 is fair with a chara slot. but even at $20 it should include an extra chara slot.

I assume you’ll still be able to be part of a guild even if you don’t have HoT.

The Rice Hat Samurai.5348:

Harrier.9380:

The Rice Hat Samurai.5348:

waSte.8640:

Khristophoros.7194:

I am willing to pay $19.99 for an account upgrade that has the HoT content and includes a character slot. I am not interested in your products if you’re trying to scam me.

My thoughts exactly. Not buying at that pricepoint especially kitten off no character slot. LOL!

How is it a scam? Have you ever bought an expansion for an MMO before? News flash, they’re all $50+.

I beg to differ.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/359480/

We also don’t pay a subscription fee.

It’s the only reason GW2 is still around.

Angel.6085:

You guys realize that $20 is roughly the cost of any living story. IE one or partial sections of one kittenty map and maybe 3 missions right?

All of you people expecting this for $20 are just not thinking, at all. It’s pretty funny.

I agree the standard should have a character slot. I also expected it to cost $50 and you should have expected it too.

Given that Anet has sold GW for what, $5? in the past, I seriously hope that they drop the price to $44.99 and let the people cry about it.

The Living Story stuff is pretty low value so that doesn’t justify it.

You know what was good value? The base game. 50 bucks for a full game. That’s a reasonable level of value.

Given that they’ve put a lot of effort into maintaining the game all this time, I think most of us are willing to pay a bit more than the value of the expansion but there are limits and I think Anet has exceeded them massively, especially considering that the base game requires some gemstore upgrades to really shine.