from what it states to be able to fully complete it you have to do fractals :/ i know alot of people don’t do them and still not above level 10, so does this mean we are forced to do them ?
Or you could get regular ascended backpieces like Mawdrey by just doing the LWS2 story and select your stats (same stats as a legendary, I might add).
I don’t understand why there is a notion that it is crazy to lock certain rewards behind certain content. I don’t think there has ever been a game that hasn’t done this. It’s not like GW2 doesn’t offer similar rewards.
Probably. Legendary weapons require WvW badges, but edge of the mist gave us a viable alternative to obtaining them on uncompetitive WvW servers.
Kind of like of all their scavenger hunt ideas, initially they’ll try to shuffle us around to under utilized game modes, eventually stop upkeep on them, and introduce an alternative so they don’t have to fix the underlying problem of the primary method. This won’t stop the intrepid players, but they will pay a higher cost as a result.
You are “forced” to do WvW for badges. You are “forced” to do dungeons for tokens. You are “forced” to play the game to get gold for mats. Oh well, not sure it’s worth to argue about this again.
If my opinion is of any value, it’s totally fine that some rewards are gated behind specific content (and we are talking about a legendary after all). You are no more forced to do that than you are to salvage exotics if you wan’t ascended armor. (I don’t like to salvage a shiny, shouldn’t be forced to yada yada yada)
what im saying is yeah some things are gated behind things but there not, to a degree that its ridiculous , badges and tokens don’t require anything to get, but when it comes to fractals , you need infusions after level 10, those things are over priced for a start and a pain to get, also you cant do high level fracts without ascended gear, so where is the fairness for those who only run exotics gear?, im not saying make what ever we need to make the legendary back piece easy to obtain not at all or it wouldn’t be legendary, im just saying there should give more paths to obtain the items.
what im saying is yeah some things are gated behind things but there not, to a degree that its ridiculous , badges and tokens don’t require anything to get, but when it comes to fractals , you need infusions after level 10, those things are over priced for a start and a pain to get, also you cant do high level fracts without ascended gear, so where is the fairness for those who only run exotics gear?, im not saying make what ever we need to make the legendary back piece easy to obtain not at all or it wouldn’t be legendary, im just saying there should give more paths to obtain the items.
And I repeat, do what you have to do to get what you want. Or don’t. Those are the conditions to get those things. Deal.
okay take your example jheryn, i want a car, i could work and save up money to buy one fair enough , but there options like renting, or a monthly payment, not forced to do any but at least there always different option to choose from. Like i said make an option to obtain these things outside of fracts aswel, even if there ven hard to get then the fract versions, at least people who wants it has the choice in which to obtain it
I don’t see having to do certain objectives/gametypes to get something this big as a bad thing.
Originally legendaries were supposed to be this awesome unique thing that people really had to work hard to get. But now everyone has one and its easy to get one considering you can just buy it off the Trading Post.
With Legendary Backpieces (and perhaps the new set of Legendaries in HoT), they will be much more difficult to attain. Seeing someone with one of these might be rarer and proof that they actually worked to get something.
I know not everyone is a fan of the ‘look at my prestige’ part of games, but not everything can be handed to players. Some things should remain difficult to attain, and be gotten certain ways. A Legendary Backpiece sounds like a good candidate for this.
Plus, if you’re actually trying to get the most out of an Ascended Stat back item that you can change the stats on, chances are that you already do fractals.
The fractal update post mentioned the matrices and dark energy required for future legendary crafting. Do you guys think this will translate into new legendary weapons as well?
Well, that isn’t exactly comparing apples to apples. Yes you can rent or lease, but no matter what your option of obtaining a car, it still costs you money.
The cost here is doing fractals. I had to obtain WvW badges and get WvW map completion for my legendary weapons. At the time I detested everything about WvW. But it was what I had to to to get what I wanted so I did it without grumbling. It was part of the cost.
Sometimes we have to do things we don’t like to get what we want. It is as simple as that.
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yes, but people won’t kick you out of a party for not having the “right build” in WvW or the other dungeons. You go in, have fun, and leave with reward. The fractal community is pretty elitist when it gets to the higher fractals (which is what you will probably have to do to get the legendaries.) That’s what’s stopping me from doing fractals, the community who does them.
You are “forced” to play the game to get gold for mats.
Well now we’re just being silly.
My point here is that there is usually at least an optional (even if not optimal) method for acquisition.
I don’t have an issue with fractals being the primary means of obtaining some of the components for the legendary gear coming into the game, but alternatives might be nice (and no, I’m not just talking buying it off the trading post) for those that aren’t into fractaling. Maybe just a fractal pvp track would be sufficient….
As I’ve said in several other posts, I think it would be good if the different modes had their own unique things to incentivize playing them (like fractals have fractal skins which you can’t trade). However, end game goals, like legendaries, should not be mode locked and depending on some of this set up, I would consider it to be bordering on that here.
But that’s just my 2c.
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No, and i understand that. But that is exactly my point. All thats been said here is “just do it!” but if you don’t enjoy fractals because it forces that kind of mentality, how is that fair to those who just want to have fun getting their legendary. I like doing dungeons, and i like doing WvW (to an extent), but I don’t like doing fractals because it expects more out of me than what i expect out of myself, and their is no bigger killjoy than discovering that the build that has gotten you through everything else, suddenly isn’t good enough for this one thing.
the fractals community is awful, no chance anyone who is a necro will never get one lol, i have a necro (not my main) but i still love it, its bad enough getting into a dungeon group without being kicked, i know alot of people who only wvw/pvp, what about those players ? there gave pvp players a chance at crafting legendarys with reward tracks and so on, so why cant there with the back piece ? it may of took longer to get all the parts only doing pvp but the choice was still there
The problem with it being stuck behind fractals is this the first legendary besides weapons we have. The problem is it alienates a group of players, which hate dungeons. If there were multiple back pieces with different content, then sure, lock them behind different ones, but doing dungeons with randoms and idiots, dealing with frustration, etc is not the way the very first legendary armor piece should be treated. It should be based on individual skill anyway. Too much of this game relies on having bad players who get carried.
You are “forced” to play the game to get gold for mats.
Well now we’re just being silly.
My point here is that there is usually at least an optional (even if not optimal) method for acquisition.
I don’t have an issue with fractals being the primary means of obtaining some of the components for the legendary gear coming into the game, but alternatives might be nice (and no, I’m not just talking buying it off the trading post) for those that aren’t into fractaling. Maybe just a fractal pvp track would be sufficient….
As I’ve said in several other posts, I think it would be good if the different modes had their own unique things to incentivize playing them (like fractals have fractal skins which you can’t trade). However, end game goals, like legendaries, should not be mode locked and depending on some of this set up, I would consider it to be bordering on that here.
But that’s just my 2c.
Having more options is nice but the argument of being forced doesn’t change. “I’m not a PvP’er so I don’t want to be forced to play a game mode I don’t want to get my tokens”. I’m not saying that it isn’t valid to have more ways to obatin certain things, but in all fairness, legendaries were that way upon launch. There were no secondary means such as reward tracks, EotM, etc.
I really don’t mind that they give us options for obtaining such things but the “forced” argument really bothers me. You are indeed required, but by no means forced.
The fractal update post mentioned the matrices and dark energy required for future legendary crafting. Do you guys think this will translate into new legendary weapons as well?
They confirmed new Legendary weapons a LONG time ago. It was announced around the same time Mastery Tracks were announced, as they are going to be linked in some way. So far we only know they are back porting it for existing Legendarys, but the requirements for the new ones have only been hinting at needing things found exclusively in HOT.
You are “forced” to play the game to get gold for mats.
Well now we’re just being silly.
My point here is that there is usually at least an optional (even if not optimal) method for acquisition.
I don’t have an issue with fractals being the primary means of obtaining some of the components for the legendary gear coming into the game, but alternatives might be nice (and no, I’m not just talking buying it off the trading post) for those that aren’t into fractaling. Maybe just a fractal pvp track would be sufficient….
As I’ve said in several other posts, I think it would be good if the different modes had their own unique things to incentivize playing them (like fractals have fractal skins which you can’t trade). However, end game goals, like legendaries, should not be mode locked and depending on some of this set up, I would consider it to be bordering on that here.
But that’s just my 2c.
Having more options is nice but the argument of being forced doesn’t change. “I’m not a PvP’er so I don’t want to be forced to play a game mode I don’t want to get my tokens”. I’m not saying that it isn’t valid to have more ways to obatin certain things, but in all fairness, legendaries were that way upon launch. There were no secondary means such as reward tracks, EotM, etc.
I really don’t mind that they give us options for obtaining such things but the “forced” argument really bothers me. You are indeed required, but by no means forced.
Those people have a valid complaint though, at least I feel they do, even if their choice of wording may not be the best. True, no one is “forcing” them to do anything, at least not in an actual physical sense. But that doesn’t mean that they don’t feel that way regardless. And you’re right, those additional options weren’t there at launch, but those things were changed, and I think that was a smart path for Anet to take. They’ll have happier customers in the long run that way.
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the fractals community is awful, no chance anyone who is a necro will never get one lol, i have a necro (not my main) but i still love it, its bad enough getting into a dungeon group without being kicked, i know alot of people who only wvw/pvp, what about those players ? there gave pvp players a chance at crafting legendarys with reward tracks and so on, so why cant there with the back piece ? it may of took longer to get all the parts only doing pvp but the choice was still there
Rather than feeling sorry for yourself, why don’t you try creating your own group? You’re not the only one who’ll want the new backpiece so it won’t be that hard to get a group going.
I don’t understand why there is a notion that it is crazy to lock certain rewards behind certain content. I don’t think there has ever been a game that hasn’t done this. It’s not like GW2 doesn’t offer similar rewards.
This isn’t how GW2 works. The whole notion of the game is that you should be able to get the rewards you want by playing the way you want. They actually locked ascended trinkets behind fractals when it first game out and later admitted that was a mistake.
The beauty of GW2 has always been to earn rewards the way you want.
@UKADAM I’m with you Brother on the Necro part. but i have no issues running with Fractal groups usually it’s the Medium profession player kicked before me, but that’s a player to play basis.
Honestly, for me the only thing is (not really a complaint) what about those players who have grandfathered in time in game, gold, materials, real life money (for those that “borrowed” Daddy’s credit card) that had ascended back pieces since they were introduced? Are these items mainly relevant for the wardrobe for those players that do not run fractals? though not mentioned what exactly the legendary back item precursors are I would like to see a system put in to where you can upgrade current crafted ascended back items to Legendary level, but have to meet a minimum Fractal difficulty level to do so.
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You are “forced” to do WvW for badges. You are “forced” to do dungeons for tokens. You are “forced” to play the game to get gold for mats. Oh well, not sure it’s worth to argue about this again.
If my opinion is of any value, it’s totally fine that some rewards are gated behind specific content (and we are talking about a legendary after all). You are no more forced to do that than you are to salvage exotics if you wan’t ascended armor. (I don’t like to salvage a shiny, shouldn’t be forced to yada yada yada)
Nope. I got all my tokens from the pvp track. And WvW tokens I got doing dailies – never have to actually do any WvW. Killing npc’s and wvw are just pve activities in the WvW map. Never do dungeons. I had to force myself to do the bare minimum of fractals to get some stupid tokens for Mawdrey. And I think I went to WvW and ground some tokens ankitten ever going back. Ever. Hopefully they add some of these items to a pvp track.
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The problem with it being stuck behind fractals is this the first legendary besides weapons we have. The problem is it alienates a group of players, which hate dungeons. If there were multiple back pieces with different content, then sure, lock them behind different ones, but doing dungeons with randoms and idiots, dealing with frustration, etc is not the way the very first legendary armor piece should be treated. It should be based on individual skill anyway. Too much of this game relies on having bad players who get carried.
There should be alternative ways to get them, or at least different ones maybe that you can get another way.
As it stands, under this system, you have to do fractals now if you want a new Legendary.
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I love these threads where people make it sound like someone has a gun pointed to their face to do content. When will they learn?
So, is their some other way to get the Legendary backpiece then? No. So, yeah, many will be forced to do content they hate in order to get an item. Or never get a new Legendary.
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I also see an issue depending on the requirements of the materials.
If that legendary backpiece requires lvl 50+ fractals, I can see an issue there, but if you can make the backpiece by doing lvl 1~20 fractals then I see no problems at all.
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from what it states to be able to fully complete it you have to do fractals :/ i know alot of people don’t do them and still not above level 10, so does this mean we are forced to do them ?
is there some dude wit ha gun to your sister’s head or a knife to your kids throat and says that if you dont get this backpiece he’ll end them ?
this is a legendary, not a 1 spam farm/world drop. specifically, its a fractal themed legendary.
if stats are your issue just get yourself any of the ascended backpieces that are already available. otherwise its a FRACTAL SKIN based on fractals.
Legendary backpieces are not required to play and enjoy the game, so no you’re not forced to do anything related to crafting them. Legendary pieces are the same strength as ascended backpieces so you are only “forced” to do the minimum necessary required effort/gold expenditure to get an ascended backpiece with the stats you desire.
from what it states to be able to fully complete it you have to do fractals :/ i know alot of people don’t do them and still not above level 10, so does this mean we are forced to do them ?
is there some dude wit ha gun to your sister’s head or a knife to your kids throat and says that if you dont get this backpiece he’ll end them ?
this is a legendary, not a 1 spam farm/world drop. specifically, its a fractal themed legendary.
if stats are your issue just get yourself any of the ascended backpieces that are already available. otherwise its a FRACTAL SKIN based on fractals.
That’s all fine, as long as you will be able to get a Legendary backpiece via other gameplay modes – pve, pvp, wvw, etc. They could have different skins for each of them.
Why should only Fractals get a Legendary backpiece?
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In all fairness I always thought legendaries were supposed to show you mastered all of the content in the game. With that in mind, crafting legendaries at the start of the game was a lot more interesting than it is now when you actually did have to play all of the content available. So let’s not try to make the new legendary items another checked box that everyone can obtain, because that really ruins the point of them being legendary.
So let’s not try to make the new legendary items another checked box that everyone can obtain, because that really ruins the point of them being legendary.
There isn’t much you can do to achieve this short of making it rely on content you are forced to do solo. And that opens up a whole new set of problems with class balance.
Pretty much anything else you can still manage to get. Being better at it just speeds up the process. Even someone that’s bad at pvp will eventually reach higher ranks.
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from what it states to be able to fully complete it you have to do fractals :/ i know alot of people don’t do them and still not above level 10, so does this mean we are forced to do them ?
I don’t like world completion but I do it cause I need them stupid world completion gifts !
there you go same thing basically, doing some piece of content you do not enjoy so you can get at a piece of reward you actually want.
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No interest in doing Fractals or Dungeons regardless of the prize (Beyond soloing the level 1 for the daily) .
Shoving this stuff in there kind of diminishes my interest in HoT, honestly.
Ah well, at least now I’m informed, so there’s that.
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A shame fun things could not simply be fun.
Maybe, we should wait for more information on what would be involved, totally, and what other choices (if any) will be offered.
Good luck.
If there are other choices that allow you to skip fractals and still obtain it. I want an alternative to doing BORING world completion for acquiring gifts of exploration !!!
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from what it states to be able to fully complete it you have to do fractals :/ i know alot of people don’t do them and still not above level 10, so does this mean we are forced to do them ?
is there some dude wit ha gun to your sister’s head or a knife to your kids throat and says that if you dont get this backpiece he’ll end them ?
this is a legendary, not a 1 spam farm/world drop. specifically, its a fractal themed legendary.
if stats are your issue just get yourself any of the ascended backpieces that are already available. otherwise its a FRACTAL SKIN based on fractals.
That’s all fine, as long as you will be able to get a Legendary backpiece via other gameplay modes – pve, pvp, wvw, etc. They could have different skins for each of them.
Why should only Fractals get a Legendary backpiece?
Depends
For one open world PvE should not get one at all, as there is absolutely nothing legendary about it. Organized high end WvW I can kinda see, high ranking SPVP tourneys I can kinda see, high FOTM as well, etc. But open world PvE ? No.
I don’t understand why there is a notion that it is crazy to lock certain rewards behind certain content. I don’t think there has ever been a game that hasn’t done this. It’s not like GW2 doesn’t offer similar rewards.
This isn’t how GW2 works. The whole notion of the game is that you should be able to get the rewards you want by playing the way you want. They actually locked ascended trinkets behind fractals when it first game out and later admitted that was a mistake.
The beauty of GW2 has always been to earn rewards the way you want.
This^
Unique skins are fine rewards for certain content. Equipment types have always available reasonably in various ways. This isn’t WoW. It will never be WoW, and thank gods for that. So a tier of equipment should not be locked to a game type to continue the GW2 tradition.
Its not the fact its fractals, its the fact that there isn’t a choice, not everyone plays fractals and not everone plays pvp but each area of the game has a way to get the parts needed to craft a legendary. Anet always said earn rewards the way you want gto play, so far there have until this.
Its not the fact its fractals, its the fact that there isn’t a choice, not everyone plays fractals and not everone plays pvp but each area of the game has a way to get the parts needed to craft a legendary. Anet always said earn rewards the way you want gto play, so far there have until this.
If i want to craft a specific legendary, i have to do certain things that i don’t like and can’t be earned on multiple ways. Dungeon Reagents, Gift of Exploration, needed crafting professions etc…
Since legendary items offer the same stats as ascended items, there is no need to hunt for it except the skin.
I love these threads where people make it sound like someone has a gun pointed to their face to do content. When will they learn?
^This. If you want a legendary back piece then do what is required. No one is “forcing” you to do anything.
If I want a new car, I have to earn money to get one. No one is forcing me to do anything. I am doing what I have to in order to get what I want.
Yes, but in the real world we don’t have silly MMO constraints. You literally buy the car you want. You don’t take a particular job, because it’s required to buy a particular car.
Unfortunately ANet are going more that way because the “I want shinies that represent my achievements” crowd have been so very vocal. Force might be the wrong word, but this approach does make games quite tiresome, in my opinion. Everything gets reduced to a checklist of chores.
If you are going to be forced to do fractals to get the backpiece, then you will have to decide whether or not it is worth doing. Anet is already catering to everybody by making almost everything available from several different sources.
This policy is bad on several levels. It does not encourage people to do certain content. It does not reward more effort (fractals 50 is generally worse loot than chest farming).
If you are going to be forced to do fractals to get the backpiece, then you will have to decide whether or not it is worth doing. Anet is already catering to everybody by making almost everything available from several different sources.
This policy is bad on several levels. It does not encourage people to do certain content. It does not reward more effort (fractals 50 is generally worse loot than chest farming).
I have no problem with this exclusivity, as long as they also provide a Legendary Back piece unique to WvW, PvE and PvP play modes – it can look different of course.
Fractals should not be the only place to get one. That particular back piece, yes, but not every / the only one, and no where else. Why have they designated Fractals the special petal that gets Legendary items?
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