Guild Wars 2

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Ayrilana.1396:

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Ayrilana.1396:

sorudo.9054:

Ayrilana.1396:

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Pistol Joe.3741:

Dont forget gw2 is not like other games .. we always keep getting new stuff !

Sure, sure. In 3 years, we got in game:

• Illustrious armor (the ascended one)

• Glorious armor (the PvP one) and its reskin, Glorious Hero

• Carapace and its reskin, Luminescent

• Hellfire armor

• Radiant armor

Meanwhile, the Gem Store got:

• Aetherblade armor

• Primeval armor

• Braham’s armor

• Phalanx armor

• Flamewrath armor

• Zodiac armor

• Rampart armor

• And 24 (!!!) outfits

So yeah, we definitely keep getting stuff… In the Gem Store. We got even less armors in-game than in the Gem Store, and that’s considering how ArenaNet said they would focus the Gem Store in outfits, not in armors.

They made that statement after they started doing outfits. You can’t make their statement retroactive and then accuse them of lying.

in GW1 we had in one year more new armors in-game then we have gem store armor skins in GW2, in my eyes they have become extremely lazy.

In GW1, you had only humans to play as which is much different than what we have in GW2. More work is required to create GW2 armor than GW1 armor.

Uhuh.

So the excuse “GW2 is more complex” is the reason why, 3 years after release of the original Guild Wars, we had:

• More than 160 new maps (in GW2, 3 years later we have 3 new maps)

• More than 150 new armors completely available in game (in GW2, 3 years later we have 15 new armors in-game)

• 4 new professions (in GW2, 3 years after release we have zero new professions)

• More than 70 new skills for each of the core professions, not counting the generic PvE only skills (in GW2, 3 years after release we have a single new profession specific skill for each profession)

And so on, and so on. Despite how, at the time, ArenaNet had half of the staff they have today.

Considering how by then we had ten times more armors – again, ten times -, maybe the lesson here is that, if GW2 is that complex, ArenaNet tried to bite more than they can chew.

I suggest playing Guild Wars 1. That game is almost completely different than GW2.

Indeed.

Gameplay wise they are incredibly similar. But you are right in saying that they are very different: one was a big success, able to fund both constant updates and even a sequel, while the other has been such a failure that it has been forced to go free to play after enduring multiple content droughts and having next to no content added to it.

And one had, in two years, 150+ new armors available in game. The other has had, in three years, 15 armors available in-game. With the massive amount of… 4? Armors incoming.

You’re better off counting the polygons. Also i don’t remember 150 armors in gw1. Armor pieces perhaps, but not armors. But that maybe my memory.

Plus maps with Z axis etc. Technology wise GW2 is alot more detailed. Alot of it is backend. Stuff that normal players like you and me don’t get to see, or frankly, don’t feel that much difference from.

Whether Anet bit of more than they can chew is possible, it has become increasingly much more work to create a game nowadays than it has in the nineties.

Like developers could create ten times the levels and graphical design back then because the tech was so limited. Now they can go nearly all out, but in doing so take way longer on one piece.

I just want tribal armor.. They said it will be back, when if not in wild Maguuma?
It is not “new”, I think they should convert it to other armor types (medium and heavy) and put in Heart of Thorns.

I hope for some other tattoo armors too..

Lamu.8453:

I just want tribal armor.. They said it will be back, when if not in wild Maguuma?
It is not “new”, I think they should convert it to other armor types (medium and heavy) and put in Heart of Thorns.

i just came here to voice the exact opposite opinion
(as someone who earned tribal and now likes that it is a past-reward, just like your PVE past-rewards which you all seem fine keeping to yourselves.)

but the sad fact is that anet will indeed pander to you folks that want everything to be easily available, and they almost certainly will ruin tribal by selling it from a vendor in HoT.

Ayrilana.1396:

Since you consider them to be incredibly similar gameplay wise, I’d say that you’ve never played Guild Wars 1.

Since you consider them to be incredibly different gameplay wise, I’d say that you’ve never played Guild Wars 1. If you’re going to go off about GW1, please please have played it before.

Besides…

Ayrilana.1396:

GW doesn’t have 150+ different armor unless you count the differences between professions. If you do that then you can do the same in GW2 versus the five races so you have 90+ armor from GW2.

…It takes someone with no knowledge about either game to say that Warrior Elite Canthan armor is the same thing as Elementalist Elite Canthan armor, but that human Embroidered armor is oh “so” different from sylvari Embroidered armor.

Ayrilana.1396:

Also, F2P does not mean the game failed

Really? Because which MMORPG has changed its business model to free to play because its previous business model was a big success?

The Old Republic? Even its parent company admitted it was a failure.

ESO? They are still suffering layofs.

Wildstar? LOOOOOOOOOOOL!

But hey, you can continue to ignore everything related to facts and evidence and assume that everything is fine. It will make it much funnier when reality comes crashing down around you.

PopeUrban.2578:

Assuming datamined material is 100% of the armor avaliable in GW2 is fallacy.

Also, it’s not completely silly to assume more skins will exist from ambient drops.

Really? Where have you read anyone in this topic assuming that datamined material is 100% of the armor available in GW2?

Because you may not be aware of it, but ArenaNet itself has said how many armor sets we will find in HoT’s open world. Who is the one making assumptions here?

FrizzFreston.5290:

Also i don’t remember 150 armors in gw1. Armor pieces perhaps, but not armors. But that maybe my memory.

You can see by yourself.

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FrizzFreston.5290:

Also i don’t remember 150 armors in gw1. Armor pieces perhaps, but not armors. But that maybe my memory.

You can see by yourself.

Oh right, ofcourse. Armors were tied to professions. With about 15 armors per profession, youd easily get 150 armors.

Liewec.2896:

I just want tribal armor..
i just came here to voice the exact opposite opinion
(as someone who earned tribal and now likes that it is a past-reward, just like your PVE past-rewards which you all seem fine keeping to yourselves.)

what? Sorry, but tribal being available only for first months doesn’t make it challenging to earn, you just had a luck. I am GW1 and headstart player, I just focused on playing with my friends PvE at beginning – specialy because structured PvP during first months (or year) totally sucked. Now I’m rank ~70 and I play PvP often, and as you’re talking about PvE rewards you can obtain dungeon gear by playing PvP, so you’re argument is totally invalid. And we, PvP players have exlusive glorious armor, so..

PvE past-reward may come back, who knows, I have nothing against.

I really don’t care how it will be put in GW2, it can be PvP exclusive as Tribal Reward Track or Leauge Tier reward, I just want the opurnity to reach it.

Your behavior now is selfish, you got your skin and want noone else to have an opurnity to earn it, even in hard way.

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Ayrilana.1396:

Since you consider them to be incredibly similar gameplay wise, I’d say that you’ve never played Guild Wars 1.

Since you consider them to be incredibly different gameplay wise, I’d say that you’ve never played Guild Wars 1. If you’re going to go off about GW1, please please have played it before.

Besides…

Ayrilana.1396:

GW doesn’t have 150+ different armor unless you count the differences between professions. If you do that then you can do the same in GW2 versus the five races so you have 90+ armor from GW2.

…It takes someone with no knowledge about either game to say that Warrior Elite Canthan armor is the same thing as Elementalist Elite Canthan armor, but that human Embroidered armor is oh “so” different from sylvari Embroidered armor.

Ayrilana.1396:

Also, F2P does not mean the game failed

Really? Because which MMORPG has changed its business model to free to play because its previous business model was a big success?

The Old Republic? Even its parent company admitted it was a failure.

ESO? They are still suffering layofs.

Wildstar? LOOOOOOOOOOOL!

But hey, you can continue to ignore everything related to facts and evidence and assume that everything is fine. It will make it much funnier when reality comes crashing down around you.

PopeUrban.2578:

Assuming datamined material is 100% of the armor avaliable in GW2 is fallacy.

Also, it’s not completely silly to assume more skins will exist from ambient drops.

Really? Where have you read anyone in this topic assuming that datamined material is 100% of the armor available in GW2?

Because you may not be aware of it, but ArenaNet itself has said how many armor sets we will find in HoT’s open world. Who is the one making assumptions here?

FrizzFreston.5290:

Also i don’t remember 150 armors in gw1. Armor pieces perhaps, but not armors. But that maybe my memory.

You can see by yourself.

They said “sets”

The same page also says “60 unique additional item skins”

This very likely means a lot of those are armor skins that don’t comprise a full set. We’ve seen them do a lot of partial sets lately because certain armor pieces take less work to implement than others.

Expecting 4 full sets of armor and 30-60 pieces that may or may not make up a full 6 piece set is probably the more logical option.

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Ayrilana.1396:

Since you consider them to be incredibly similar gameplay wise, I’d say that you’ve never played Guild Wars 1.

Since you consider them to be incredibly different gameplay wise, I’d say that you’ve never played Guild Wars 1. If you’re going to go off about GW1, please please have played it before.

Besides…

Wow, a parrot. If you’re going to copy and paste someone’s argument and treat it as your own, please know what you’re talking about. It’s pretty well established that the gameplay between GW1 and GW2 is very different. Anyone who has played the game for a few hours will have seen this with just the combat system alone.

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Ayrilana.1396:

GW doesn’t have 150+ different armor unless you count the differences between professions. If you do that then you can do the same in GW2 versus the five races so you have 90+ armor from GW2.

…It takes someone with no knowledge about either game to say that Warrior Elite Canthan armor is the same thing as Elementalist Elite Canthan armor, but that human Embroidered armor is oh “so” different from sylvari Embroidered armor.

Congrats. You can copy and paste links without knowing anything about they contain. Let’s go a bit further:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Armor_art

These are the unique armor sets. I count like 33 of them. Must different than your 150+. The number only reaches that high if you multiply it across the multiple professions who have their own unique appearance already stated this in the previous post. based on the armor they’re wearing. Of course, based on your post, you missed that and are pretending that I didn’t.

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Ayrilana.1396:

Also, F2P does not mean the game failed

Really? Because which MMORPG has changed its business model to free to play because its previous business model was a big success?

The Old Republic? Even its parent company admitted it was a failure.

ESO? They are still suffering layofs.

Wildstar? LOOOOOOOOOOOL!

But hey, you can continue to ignore everything related to facts and evidence and assume that everything is fine. It will make it much funnier when reality comes crashing down around you.

I’m sorry but going to F2P is not an indication that a game is failing.

ronpierce.2760:

We’re talking about at launch. That’s not so bad. I just hope more comes with LS continuations.

Though more likely in the gemstore instead…

skullmount.1758:

ronpierce.2760:

We’re talking about at launch. That’s not so bad. I just hope more comes with LS continuations.

Though more likely in the gemstore instead…

not even that…. have a quote from a blogpost.

“During Living World Season 2, Crystin took charge of a new team that was organized to improve in-game rewards in Guild Wars 2. Previously, no single dedicated team handled in-game rewards, and individual content teams were responsible for deciding how players would be rewarded. Crystin felt there should be a greater balance between Gem Store item offerings and in-game rewards, and she and the rewards and commerce teams have worked on creating a clear division so that items will fit their method of distribution. For example, armor sets are now exclusively designed as in-game rewards while outfits are primarily Gem Store offerings. Her teams also designed the new transmutation system and helped work on the new wardrobe.”

I only ask myself where that “balance” might be at…

Lamu.8453:

Liewec.2896:

I just want tribal armor..
i just came here to voice the exact opposite opinion
(as someone who earned tribal and now likes that it is a past-reward, just like your PVE past-rewards which you all seem fine keeping to yourselves.)

what? Sorry, but tribal being available only for first months doesn’t make it challenging to earn, you just had a luck. I am GW1 and headstart player, I just focused on playing with my friends PvE at beginning – specialy because structured PvP during first months (or year) totally sucked.

and thats why you don’t have the unobtainable PVP rewards that i do
and i don’t have the unobtainable PVE rewards that you do.

ironically you’re calling ME selfish while you’re the one trying to get peoples rewards devalued because you couldn’t be bothered to earn them when you had the chance.

i didn’t earn wings of sunless, shattered wings, air filtration device or any of the other PVE rewards i would have liked,
but you know what? i didn’t earn them so i don’t have them.
because thats how things work.
perhaps i should endlessly nag for them to get reintroduced, it seems to have worked well for you guys.

Liewec.2896:

ironically you’re calling ME selfish while you’re the one trying to get peoples rewards devalued because you couldn’t be bothered to earn them when you had the chance.

Not wanting people to have something they want because it will shrink your e-kitten is pretty much the definition of selfish.

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Really? Because which MMORPG has changed its business model to free to play because its previous business model was a big success?

The Old Republic? Even its parent company admitted it was a failure.

ESO? They are still suffering layofs.

Wildstar? LOOOOOOOOOOOL!

But hey, you can continue to ignore everything related to facts and evidence and assume that everything is fine. It will make it much funnier when reality comes crashing down around you.

Are you seriously claiming GW2 is a failure and that going f2p is your evidence? Really? I mean, I understand the desire for more armor, but gw2 is a failure?

Ardid.7203:

I’ll gladly pay for armors in the gem store, as long asthey are mix’n match…

^ this. I was quite disappointed when they said they wouldn’t sell anymore armor skins through the GStore anymore.

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

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Really? Because which MMORPG has changed its business model to free to play because its previous business model was a big success?

The Old Republic? Even its parent company admitted it was a failure.

ESO? They are still suffering layofs.

Wildstar? LOOOOOOOOOOOL!

But hey, you can continue to ignore everything related to facts and evidence and assume that everything is fine. It will make it much funnier when reality comes crashing down around you.

Are you seriously claiming GW2 is a failure and that going f2p is your evidence? Really? I mean, I understand the desire for more armor, but gw2 is a failure?

Ardid.7203:

I’ll gladly pay for armors in the gem store, as long asthey are mix’n match…

^ this. I was quite disappointed when they said they wouldn’t sell anymore armor skins through the GStore anymore.

as if 5 millions sold copies in 3 years was a great number for MMO game.

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Lonewolf Kai.3682:

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Really? Because which MMORPG has changed its business model to free to play because its previous business model was a big success?

The Old Republic? Even its parent company admitted it was a failure.

ESO? They are still suffering layofs.

Wildstar? LOOOOOOOOOOOL!

But hey, you can continue to ignore everything related to facts and evidence and assume that everything is fine. It will make it much funnier when reality comes crashing down around you.

Are you seriously claiming GW2 is a failure and that going f2p is your evidence? Really? I mean, I understand the desire for more armor, but gw2 is a failure?

Ardid.7203:

I’ll gladly pay for armors in the gem store, as long asthey are mix’n match…

^ this. I was quite disappointed when they said they wouldn’t sell anymore armor skins through the GStore anymore.

as if 5 millions sold copies in 3 years was a great number for MMO game.

It’s not WoW.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PC_games

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Liewec.2896:

ironically you’re calling ME selfish while you’re the one trying to get peoples rewards devalued because you couldn’t be bothered to earn them when you had the chance.

Not wanting people to have something they want because it will shrink your e-kitten is pretty much the definition of selfish.

not everyone had the chance… so theres that… and yes, that is the proper definition of selfish. I dont care if you make it hard to re obtain, thats fine, but keep it obtainable. Locking so that it doesnt hurt your kitten and profits, is selfish.

CorrynnStarr.7942:

Hyper Cutter.9376:

Liewec.2896:

ironically you’re calling ME selfish while you’re the one trying to get peoples rewards devalued because you couldn’t be bothered to earn them when you had the chance.

Not wanting people to have something they want because it will shrink your e-kitten is pretty much the definition of selfish.

not everyone had the chance… so theres that… and yes, that is the proper definition of selfish. I dont care if you make it hard to re obtain, thats fine, but keep it obtainable. Locking so that it doesnt hurt your kitten and profits, is selfish.

ArenaNet decides what’s locked for the players. What you mean is that wanting something to be locked is selfish.

With tribal armor there is a bigger problem for me, because there is no other set in this wild aesthetics to choose. If I want to play human elementalist in shamanic style (with Tempest overload I want it even more :P ) I just have no other tribal looking armor to wear. I don’t really care if they bring tribal back or put a different wild-looking armor, like gw1 tattoo etc., just give me something close to it. Tattoos being exlusive to norn is a misunderstanding IMO, srsly. Specially, if we can buy face tattoo or war painting in gemstore, so why no other body parts?

Anyway, Maguuma is a jungle, so it would be wierd not to offer any of these.. All clothes we have seen in HoT screens are very detailed plate-armors, that not what I expect from Maguuma (not only).

So please Anet, please..

Lamu.8453:

With tribal armor there is a bigger problem for me, because there is no other set in this wild aesthetics to choose. If I want to play human elementalist in shamanic style (with Tempest overload I want it even more :P ) I just have no other tribal looking armor to wear. I don’t really care if they bring tribal back or put a different wild-looking armor, like gw1 tattoo etc., just give me something close to it. Tattoos being exlusive to norn is a misunderstanding IMO, srsly. Specially, if we can buy face tattoo or war painting in gemstore, so why no other body parts?

Anyway, Maguuma is a jungle, so it would be wierd not to offer any of these.. All clothes we have seen in HoT screens are very detailed plate-armors, that not what I expect from Maguuma (not only).

So please Anet, please..

Gem store will update frequently after release, I’m sure there will be plenty of themed armours for you.

Themed outfits, you mean…

Sicarius.4639:

Lamu.8453:

With tribal armor there is a bigger problem for me, because there is no other set in this wild aesthetics to choose. If I want to play human elementalist in shamanic style (with Tempest overload I want it even more :P ) I just have no other tribal looking armor to wear. I don’t really care if they bring tribal back or put a different wild-looking armor, like gw1 tattoo etc., just give me something close to it. Tattoos being exlusive to norn is a misunderstanding IMO, srsly. Specially, if we can buy face tattoo or war painting in gemstore, so why no other body parts?

Anyway, Maguuma is a jungle, so it would be wierd not to offer any of these.. All clothes we have seen in HoT screens are very detailed plate-armors, that not what I expect from Maguuma (not only).

So please Anet, please..

Gem store will update frequently after release, I’m sure there will be plenty of themed armours for you.

have a blog post quote.

“During Living World Season 2, Crystin took charge of a new team that was organized to improve in-game rewards in Guild Wars 2. Previously, no single dedicated team handled in-game rewards, and individual content teams were responsible for deciding how players would be rewarded. Crystin felt there should be a greater balance between Gem Store item offerings and in-game rewards, and she and the rewards and commerce teams have worked on creating a clear division so that items will fit their method of distribution. For example, armor sets are now exclusively designed as in-game rewards while outfits are primarily Gem Store offerings. Her teams also designed the new transmutation system and helped work on the new wardrobe.”

We DONT EVER get armor skins from the gem store anymore… only in game rewards. Outfits yes.. but thats not what we want, mix and match man.. nice things ya know, we dont get much of that with the x-pac and we did not get much of it the past year either… but oh well… isnt like a-net gives a darn. Outfits.. outfits everywhere.. f- mix and match and custom looks

Ayrilana.1396:

sorudo.9054:

Ayrilana.1396:

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Pistol Joe.3741:

Dont forget gw2 is not like other games .. we always keep getting new stuff !

Sure, sure. In 3 years, we got in game:

• Illustrious armor (the ascended one)

• Glorious armor (the PvP one) and its reskin, Glorious Hero

• Carapace and its reskin, Luminescent

• Hellfire armor

• Radiant armor

Meanwhile, the Gem Store got:

• Aetherblade armor

• Primeval armor

• Braham’s armor

• Phalanx armor

• Flamewrath armor

• Zodiac armor

• Rampart armor

• And 24 (!!!) outfits

So yeah, we definitely keep getting stuff… In the Gem Store. We got even less armors in-game than in the Gem Store, and that’s considering how ArenaNet said they would focus the Gem Store in outfits, not in armors.

They made that statement after they started doing outfits. You can’t make their statement retroactive and then accuse them of lying.

in GW1 we had in one year more new armors in-game then we have gem store armor skins in GW2, in my eyes they have become extremely lazy.

In GW1, you had only humans to play as which is much different than what we have in GW2. More work is required to create GW2 armor than GW1 armor.

nope, the same work is required, the model in GW2 can be used for GW1 just as easy, only the skin is made specifically for ether.
also, most models are made for humans and adjusted for other races, the only “extra” work is for the charr and even with that it’s half the work then normal. (only one model made)

sorudo.9054:

Ayrilana.1396:

sorudo.9054:

Ayrilana.1396:

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Pistol Joe.3741:

Dont forget gw2 is not like other games .. we always keep getting new stuff !

Sure, sure. In 3 years, we got in game:

• Illustrious armor (the ascended one)

• Glorious armor (the PvP one) and its reskin, Glorious Hero

• Carapace and its reskin, Luminescent

• Hellfire armor

• Radiant armor

Meanwhile, the Gem Store got:

• Aetherblade armor

• Primeval armor

• Braham’s armor

• Phalanx armor

• Flamewrath armor

• Zodiac armor

• Rampart armor

• And 24 (!!!) outfits

So yeah, we definitely keep getting stuff… In the Gem Store. We got even less armors in-game than in the Gem Store, and that’s considering how ArenaNet said they would focus the Gem Store in outfits, not in armors.

They made that statement after they started doing outfits. You can’t make their statement retroactive and then accuse them of lying.

in GW1 we had in one year more new armors in-game then we have gem store armor skins in GW2, in my eyes they have become extremely lazy.

In GW1, you had only humans to play as which is much different than what we have in GW2. More work is required to create GW2 armor than GW1 armor.

nope, the same work is required, the model in GW2 can be used for GW1 just as easy, only the skin is made specifically for ether.
also, most models are made for humans and adjusted for other races, the only “extra” work is for the charr and even with that it’s half the work then normal. (only one model made)

Nope.

Ayrilana.1396:

It’s pretty well established that the gameplay between GW1 and GW2 is very different.

“Pretty well established”? Riiiiiiight.

Have you noticed something interesting? How my posts are filled with links and facts, while your own are basically a nice collection of kittens?

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Ayrilana.1396:

GW doesn’t have 150+ different armor unless you count the differences between professions. If you do that then you can do the same in GW2 versus the five races so you have 90+ armor from GW2.

…It takes someone with no knowledge about either game to say that Warrior Elite Canthan armor is the same thing as Elementalist Elite Canthan armor, but that human Embroidered armor is oh “so” different from sylvari Embroidered armor.

Ayrilana.1396:

These are the unique armor sets. I count like 33 of them.

So, stop trying to dodge the question. You are saying that:

• This and this are the same thing.
• But this and this are completely different?

I like how you manage to destroy your own credibility, when you say those “two” armors are completely different from each other then claims that GW1 is completely different from GW2.

Ayrilana.1396:

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Ayrilana.1396:

Also, F2P does not mean the game failed

Really? Because which MMORPG has changed its business model to free to play because its previous business model was a big success?

The Old Republic? Even its parent company admitted it was a failure.

ESO? They are still suffering layofs.

Wildstar? LOOOOOOOOOOOL!

But hey, you can continue to ignore everything related to facts and evidence and assume that everything is fine. It will make it much funnier when reality comes crashing down around you.

I’m sorry but going to F2P is not an indication that a game is failing.

Because… One more of your kittens, I guess?

See, you failed to answer a simple question:

Which MMORPG has changed its business model to free to play because its previous business model was a big success?

Or are you going to avoid the question, just like you are trying to avoid the truth?

Ayrilana.1396:

sorudo.9054:

Ayrilana.1396:

sorudo.9054:

Ayrilana.1396:

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Pistol Joe.3741:

Dont forget gw2 is not like other games .. we always keep getting new stuff !

Sure, sure. In 3 years, we got in game:

• Illustrious armor (the ascended one)

• Glorious armor (the PvP one) and its reskin, Glorious Hero

• Carapace and its reskin, Luminescent

• Hellfire armor

• Radiant armor

Meanwhile, the Gem Store got:

• Aetherblade armor

• Primeval armor

• Braham’s armor

• Phalanx armor

• Flamewrath armor

• Zodiac armor

• Rampart armor

• And 24 (!!!) outfits

So yeah, we definitely keep getting stuff… In the Gem Store. We got even less armors in-game than in the Gem Store, and that’s considering how ArenaNet said they would focus the Gem Store in outfits, not in armors.

They made that statement after they started doing outfits. You can’t make their statement retroactive and then accuse them of lying.

in GW1 we had in one year more new armors in-game then we have gem store armor skins in GW2, in my eyes they have become extremely lazy.

In GW1, you had only humans to play as which is much different than what we have in GW2. More work is required to create GW2 armor than GW1 armor.

nope, the same work is required, the model in GW2 can be used for GW1 just as easy, only the skin is made specifically for ether.
also, most models are made for humans and adjusted for other races, the only “extra” work is for the charr and even with that it’s half the work then normal. (only one model made)

Nope.

Typical answer. It really shows a master of debate using logic and facts to debunk an argument. As opposed to, you know, using only kittens.

Basaltface.2786:

Outfits.. outfits everywhere.. f- mix and match and custom looks

Less work for the same amount of money…

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Basaltface.2786:

Outfits.. outfits everywhere.. f- mix and match and custom looks

Less work for the same amount of money…

…sadly yea. Is still a painfull kick under the beltline…specially now with a whole expansion on the horizon that brings in so few new skins. The future is gloom. Nice times are over and there is nothing we(mix and matchers) can do about it. We cant hope for new gem store armor sets and with the pace they release new content we will get maybe 1 set per year. Ontop of that charr and asura will get abbysmal quality cause who gives a darn? Its technically “free” so screw them, no need to add holes for ears, tails and horns or proper 3 toed boots cause who cares? Isnt a-nets issue. Also who needs armor with some class flavour? A coat here, a plate there…some cloth there, done, gotta do it…

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Ayrilana.1396:

It’s pretty well established that the gameplay between GW1 and GW2 is very different.

“Pretty well established”? Riiiiiiight.

Have you noticed something interesting? How my posts are filled with links and facts, while your own are basically a nice collection of kittens?

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Ayrilana.1396:

GW doesn’t have 150+ different armor unless you count the differences between professions. If you do that then you can do the same in GW2 versus the five races so you have 90+ armor from GW2.

…It takes someone with no knowledge about either game to say that Warrior Elite Canthan armor is the same thing as Elementalist Elite Canthan armor, but that human Embroidered armor is oh “so” different from sylvari Embroidered armor.

Ayrilana.1396:

These are the unique armor sets. I count like 33 of them.

So, stop trying to dodge the question. You are saying that:

• This and this are the same thing.
• But this and this are completely different?

I like how you manage to destroy your own credibility, when you say those “two” armors are completely different from each other then claims that GW1 is completely different from GW2.

Ayrilana.1396:

Test.8734:

Ayrilana.1396:

Also, F2P does not mean the game failed

Really? Because which MMORPG has changed its business model to free to play because its previous business model was a big success?

The Old Republic? Even its parent company admitted it was a failure.

ESO? They are still suffering layofs.

Wildstar? LOOOOOOOOOOOL!

But hey, you can continue to ignore everything related to facts and evidence and assume that everything is fine. It will make it much funnier when reality comes crashing down around you.

I’m sorry but going to F2P is not an indication that a game is failing.

Because… One more of your kittens, I guess?

See, you failed to answer a simple question:

Which MMORPG has changed its business model to free to play because its previous business model was a big success?

Or are you going to avoid the question, just like you are trying to avoid the truth?

Ayrilana.1396:

sorudo.9054:

Ayrilana.1396:

sorudo.9054:

Ayrilana.1396:

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Pistol Joe.3741:

Dont forget gw2 is not like other games .. we always keep getting new stuff !

Sure, sure. In 3 years, we got in game:

• Illustrious armor (the ascended one)

• Glorious armor (the PvP one) and its reskin, Glorious Hero

• Carapace and its reskin, Luminescent

• Hellfire armor

• Radiant armor

Meanwhile, the Gem Store got:

• Aetherblade armor

• Primeval armor

• Braham’s armor

• Phalanx armor

• Flamewrath armor

• Zodiac armor

• Rampart armor

• And 24 (!!!) outfits

So yeah, we definitely keep getting stuff… In the Gem Store. We got even less armors in-game than in the Gem Store, and that’s considering how ArenaNet said they would focus the Gem Store in outfits, not in armors.

They made that statement after they started doing outfits. You can’t make their statement retroactive and then accuse them of lying.

in GW1 we had in one year more new armors in-game then we have gem store armor skins in GW2, in my eyes they have become extremely lazy.

In GW1, you had only humans to play as which is much different than what we have in GW2. More work is required to create GW2 armor than GW1 armor.

nope, the same work is required, the model in GW2 can be used for GW1 just as easy, only the skin is made specifically for ether.
also, most models are made for humans and adjusted for other races, the only “extra” work is for the charr and even with that it’s half the work then normal. (only one model made)

Nope.

Typical answer. It really shows a master of debate using logic and facts to debunk an argument. As opposed to, you know, using only kittens.

It’s almost ironic that you accuse others of terrible debating, while you claim that everything you provide are facts and should be seen as the only truth. Most things are pretty questionable, so let’s give it a go.

The gameplay between GuildWars and GuildWars 2 is pretty different, in a way that the gameplay in GW is very simple in concept. While there were a lot of more skills to use, things like dodging and jumping were non-existent. There were some instant activation skills, but the majority (everything with a casting time) grounded your character, while GW2 knows a lot more mobility. Besides that, GW was as a whole concept made for a maximum party size, what had a great impact on the development of content. Scaling meant something else completely for GW, it was a lot less dynamic. I could go on and on.

(The ethos in both games might be comparable, but that is something that can be seen as a good thing, and preferable for things like the lore.)

The amount of armor is less in Gw2, but the difference isn’t that big as you want us to believe. A lot of the EotN armor were remakes with different details, elite armor was basically the same in concept as the normal ones (with some exceptions), etc etc. And for the matter of fact, you can pretty much discuss how much time it took and takes to create armor skins in both games. We will only know that as a fact if Anet tells us, what you claim about it is an opinion, not a fact.

So, shall we discuss F2P as a whole concept in Gw2? In fact, the big boss of Anet had some things to say about that. I’m sure you have seen that, as active as you are. In my opinion (as you stated yours), the free accounts are nothing more than a glorified trial, with a lot of encouragement to buy the whole packet. Upcoming content is B2P, and that is pretty much like the existing business concept. The only thing this F2P does is lure new players to the game. Besides that, Gw2 did lack a trial possibility if you look at it.

So shall we keep at it? Or is this enough to show that you’re only giving your opinion on things, and that your facts are questionable at least. You could also try to throw less kittens around, I’ve heard that people might tend to take you more serious if you do that. The kittens themselves would be pleased too.

Cyan.6904:

It’s almost ironic that you accuse others of terrible debating, while you claim that everything you provide are facts and should be seen as the only truth.

Almost everything I provide are facts and should be seen as the only truth.

Cyan.6904:

The gameplay between GuildWars and GuildWars 2 is pretty different

False.

Both are third person online RPGs with an slightly over the shoulder camera. In both, you use a limited skill bar to cast skills in order to defeat enemies. In both, you have very similar professions, often similar skills, and the setting is very similar. They both have the same engine.

“Pretty different”? Compare Guild Wars 2 with Tetris. THAT is pretty different. Anything else is irrelevant.

More importantly, the point behind this comparison also happens to be irrelevant – it’s an excuse claiming that you cannot compare content in the original GW with content in GW2. Not only we can – because, rather obviously, they are very similar games -, but those who claim you cannot compare GW1 with GW2 also happen to say that we cannot compare GW2 with anything else. And that’s because GW2 would end up losing.

Cyan.6904:

The amount of armor is less in Gw2, but the difference isn’t that big as you want us to believe. A lot of the EotN armor were remakes with different details, elite armor was basically the same in concept as the normal ones (with some exceptions), etc etc

Sure! And all GW2 armor just happens to be completely unique! No repetition here, of course not, no sir!.

Meanwhile, even if you were to reduce the number of unique armor art in the original Guild Wars by half, we would still end with 5 times more unique armor art available in game in GW1 than in GW2.

And saying “GW2 armor is more complex, that’s why it’s ok for ArenaNet to make less” is a joke. Not only they have twice as much staff today, but if they have made the process of designing armor so complex that they are reduced to one tenth of the total unique art, well, they really should learn how to make better processes.

Cyan.6904:

In my opinion (as you stated yours), the free accounts are nothing more than a glorified trial, with a lot of encouragement to buy the whole packet.

Irrelevant. You must be very poorly informed about MMORPGs if you think the GW2 current model is unique. Saying it’s a glorified trial is a blatant excuse when many other MMORPGs went free to play under the same or very similar conditions to what GW2 does now. Wishful thinking doesn’t change the big “play for free” message in front of the GW2 website.

Would you like an example? The Old Republic, a game that even its parent company admitted to be a failure, has a business model in which players can experiment all content in the core game for free, although with limits in gameplay (such as less bank space). Meanwhile, in order to access the content of the “Shadow of Revan” expansion, players need to actually buy the expansion. Is some of that even slightly familiar?

And yep, that’s free to play. And yep, all MMORPGs that went from another business model to free to play did not change because their previous business model was a success. Do you have even the slightest evidence that GW2 is the single exception to this rule?

No?

Somehow, I didn’t think you did.

Saying that GW2 is not free to play, and that the reason it’s currently free to play is not because it has failed, is simply denial. That’s, well, a fact and the only truth. If you think otherwise, I dare you to prove it, because I know you can’t.

EDIT: Oh, and the kittens are very happy, I assure you.

To the OP: If it’s 4 sets per armor type then I’m personally satisfied because I think chances are high they’ll add more down the line and I have several characters spread out over all three armor types. On the other hand if it’s a total of 4 sets then that would be underwhelming.

Test.8734:

Almost everything I provide are facts and should be seen as the only truth.

Everytime I read one of your posts I can’t help myself remembering that scene from Billy Madison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtNHuqHWefU

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“Pretty well established”? Riiiiiiight.

Have you noticed something interesting? How my posts are filled with links and facts, while your own are basically a nice collection of kittens?

It is pretty well established. Play the game and you’d see almost immediately that the combat systems are vastly different. GW relies on the party system for the entire game whereas GW2 only requires it for specific content. GW2 is open world with spaced out enemies who have very specific, limited, and weak attacks. GW1 is the exact opposite. Builds matter in GW1 and they don’t in GW2 unless going for speed/efficiency.

Facts? What facts? All I saw was you post links to random kitten which have little to no correlation to what you’re arguing. Anyone can post a bunch of kittening links and pretend they support their argument. And why are you kittening swearing in your posts? It’s very unnecessary to say that kitten. I also don’t tend to do links if I’m on my phone as it’s a PITA.

Enough links for you?

Test.8734:

So, stop trying to dodge the question. You are saying that:

• This and this are the same thing.
• But this and this are completely different?

I like how you manage to destroy your own credibility, when you say those “two” armors are completely different from each other then claims that GW1 is completely different from GW2.

Again, I said unique sets. Count them. 1… 2… 33! There are many armor sets in GW2 so the general theme of each set carries across all races. You try to compare Sylvari and Humans, which have similar models, but ignore that of Norn, Charr, and Asura. Those are all designed differently for kitten sake.

You’re also not realizing that a lot of the armor skins in GW1 were practically re-skins or had minor additions/subtractions or components in that armor. The armor was also more flat and not as detailed. Paragon Sunspear was very similar to Paragon Elite Sunspear with subtle changes most noticeably with the shoulders.

Test.8734:

Because… One more of your kittens, I guess?

See, you failed to answer a simple question:

Which MMORPG has changed its business model to free to play because its previous business model was a big success?

Or are you going to avoid the question, just like you are trying to avoid the truth?

You failed to prove that F2P means that a game is failing. Why should I have to prove anything to your basis which hasn’t been proven?

ESO and WIldstar all had their subscriptions removed so it was F2P after you bought the game. Only SWOTR was completely free but with restrictions. GW2 is F2P (with restrictions) all around. Perhapos next time you can do a little more research.

Test.8734:

Typical answer. It really shows a master of debate using logic and facts to debunk an argument. As opposed to, you know, using only kittens.

Master of debate? You? No. You haven’t really presented any facts and I highly disagree that a ‘master of debate’ would go as far as to copy and paste someone’s argument simply because they had none of their own which you did earlier in the first part you quoted.

And yes, like you said, I only use kittens to argue against you as evident many times in this post.

Straylight.7529:

To the OP: If it’s 4 sets per armor type then I’m personally satisfied because I think chances are high they’ll add more down the line and I have several characters spread out over all three armor types. On the other hand if it’s a total of 4 sets then that would be underwhelming.

Test.8734:

Almost everything I provide are facts and should be seen as the only truth.

Everytime I read one of your posts I can’t help myself remembering that scene from Billy Madison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtNHuqHWefU

that vid sums him/her up perfectly. bravo.

anyway, i feel 4 new armor sets per armor class at launch is underwhelming. i like earn-able armor skins as rewards…unfortunately, these events by which you earn them come around way too infrequently. they are simply too few for not having more “basic sets” that come as random drops.

since they will no longer add armor skins to the gem store, and seem to have abandoned adding “less special” skins as random drops or sold by karma vendors….we’ll have to hope they add more raids quickly (only one legendary set is fine for launch if there is only one themed raid…but one per year would be unacceptable) or introduce fractal armor skins (not sure why they wouldn’t).

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Cyan.6904:

It’s almost ironic that you accuse others of terrible debating, while you claim that everything you provide are facts and should be seen as the only truth.

Almost everything I provide are facts and should be seen as the only truth.

Cyan.6904:

The gameplay between GuildWars and GuildWars 2 is pretty different

False.

Both are third person online RPGs with an slightly over the shoulder camera. In both, you use a limited skill bar to cast skills in order to defeat enemies. In both, you have very similar professions, often similar skills, and the setting is very similar. They both have the same engine.

“Pretty different”? Compare Guild Wars 2 with Tetris. THAT is pretty different. Anything else is irrelevant.

More importantly, the point behind this comparison also happens to be irrelevant – it’s an excuse claiming that you cannot compare content in the original GW with content in GW2. Not only we can – because, rather obviously, they are very similar games -, but those who claim you cannot compare GW1 with GW2 also happen to say that we cannot compare GW2 with anything else. And that’s because GW2 would end up losing.

Cyan.6904:

The amount of armor is less in Gw2, but the difference isn’t that big as you want us to believe. A lot of the EotN armor were remakes with different details, elite armor was basically the same in concept as the normal ones (with some exceptions), etc etc

Sure! And all GW2 armor just happens to be completely unique! No repetition here, of course not, no sir!.

Meanwhile, even if you were to reduce the number of unique armor art in the original Guild Wars by half, we would still end with 5 times more unique armor art available in game in GW1 than in GW2.

And saying “GW2 armor is more complex, that’s why it’s ok for ArenaNet to make less” is a joke. Not only they have twice as much staff today, but if they have made the process of designing armor so complex that they are reduced to one tenth of the total unique art, well, they really should learn how to make better processes.

Cyan.6904:

In my opinion (as you stated yours), the free accounts are nothing more than a glorified trial, with a lot of encouragement to buy the whole packet.

Irrelevant. You must be very poorly informed about MMORPGs if you think the GW2 current model is unique. Saying it’s a glorified trial is a blatant excuse when many other MMORPGs went free to play under the same or very similar conditions to what GW2 does now. Wishful thinking doesn’t change the big “play for free” message in front of the GW2 website.

Would you like an example? The Old Republic, a game that even its parent company admitted to be a failure, has a business model in which players can experiment all content in the core game for free, although with limits in gameplay (such as less bank space). Meanwhile, in order to access the content of the “Shadow of Revan” expansion, players need to actually buy the expansion. Is some of that even slightly familiar?

And yep, that’s free to play. And yep, all MMORPGs that went from another business model to free to play did not change because their previous business model was a success. Do you have even the slightest evidence that GW2 is the single exception to this rule?

No?

Somehow, I didn’t think you did.

Saying that GW2 is not free to play, and that the reason it’s currently free to play is not because it has failed, is simply denial. That’s, well, a fact and the only truth. If you think otherwise, I dare you to prove it, because I know you can’t.

EDIT: Oh, and the kittens are very happy, I assure you.

Ah, we’re still going on. You keep stating that everything you say are facts, while they’re not. You find information, form an opinion about it, integrate that in your arguments and use counter aggressive phrasing to make it look like it’s absolute. If people dare to disagree with you, you project that as denying the given facts (that are just your opinion). The links you provide support your opinion, so well done on that. It doesn’t make them facts.

Just focusing on you last statement, you never gave reasoning why Gw2 failed. It sold over 5 million copies in 3 years, that’s pretty good for an mmo. It’s on the 16th position in the ranking of sold pc games, what is also pretty decent. The only mmo above it is WoW. (And GW, but you can debate if that’s an mmo.)

I’m glad the kittens are doing well, I was worried about possible fractures and internal damage because you recklessly threw them around.

(Here is that list btw: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PC_games. And if you really want to nitpick by calling wikipedia a terrible source, just check all the references. The information is out there.)

There’s also the possibility they’ll pad out the amount of armor in HoT in the form of armor sets that are not “new” but never been properly available in PVE (Tribal, the rest of Stalwart and Apostle, the gloves and boots of Marauder, etc). They’ve already said they intend to make those available at some unspecified point, and that would kill two birds with one stone.

They could go down the Iridescent glowing jungle cliche root and reskin a bunch of armours with glowing textures.

Test.8734:

Do you have even the slightest evidence that GW2 is the single exception to this rule?

No?

Somehow, I didn’t think you did.

Saying that GW2 is not free to play, and that the reason it’s currently free to play is not because it has failed, is simply denial. That’s, well, a fact and the only truth. If you think otherwise, I dare you to prove it, because I know you can’t.

No, no. The burden of proof lies in your corner m8. You are the one stating GW2 is failing. You have to provide the proof for that. We are calling your statement false, now you have to prove it otherwise. So far, the only “evidence” you have is examples of other games. That’s not proof.

Now, I’m not commenting on the armor part, because I too would like to see more armors in the game, not just outfits. Mostly because the more armor choices there are, the less likely someone is to copy my style. So, I’m staying out of that argument. With one exception: in terms of 3d software/meshes/textures (ie the making of the armor) GW1 armor was a single piece armor. GW2 armor is 6 pieces. Just throwing that out there. Do with it what you want.

Speaking of armors in GW2 … A few people forget some GW2 armors are those from GW1 ported … Some are simply a “burning” reskin of existing crafted armor.

And seriously i’m really bored with the all outfit cause you can’t mix armor anymore with this and you have parts bought impossible to use either (No helmet if you use outifs, no way to removes pauldrons …)

I played GW1 a lot and sorry but since the release of fractals the team in GW2 totally suck. They force insane farm for anything, craft, new armor, even the story. That’s just ridiculous. Why GW2 is a failure? Cause they don’t know what they want. They try to copy kittenty games like wow on an engine that was totally meant for anything else. No raid, no trinity, what’s the point to try to copy wow at this point?

They will never be able to please wow players, but doing kitten like they are now, they disgust GW1 players that were fine with farm as long it was not required. That was fine with quality armor (And they were reskined for many of them to be prettier cause textures was first a mess at release), exploring without having a horde of insanly hard mobs on the back. And they were loving hard dungeons.

What’s left? All is the opposite. Explo is a pain, dungeons are nerfed again and again at a point you can solo most of them lol! Idiot raids when a single can can fail it, and no way to prevent idiots to join? Lol and requiring 80+ people on the map to win it, in open map? Come on … And outfits in the shop cause they are too lazy.
Thank god they stopped removing the new content they were putting in, that’s one thing they learned at least.

I can’t wait to see the next “burning” reskin of another armor, people like this so mush that they pay for some flames on an existing stuff.

Midnight: Alot of GW1 vets and new comers alike, want more of the armor ported from GW1 into GW2, especially for medium armor because it has PANTS and no trenchcoats to cover them.

Pistol Joe.3741:

Dont forget gw2 is not like other games .. we always keep getting new stuff !

From the gemstore you mean. NMothing is for free lol

Videles.6759:

Pistol Joe.3741:

Dont forget gw2 is not like other games .. we always keep getting new stuff !

From the gemstore you mean. NMothing is for free lol

The Day 1 gemstore items after buying the expansion were hilarious.