Guild Wars 2

I know they’re cheaper now than they used to be, but the price on these is blowing up again. A week ago they were 3g, now they’re 10g.

So 18 lilies for a set of exotic armor is 180g without factoring in the costs of other mats.

If you add in trinkets and weapons, you’d be over 500g.

Any chance the drop rate can be increased? They’re just too rare.

I’m sure some people will say it’s fine because that’s what people want to pay, which is technically right. But I think the amount of people that simply wouldn’t buy at a too high price would be significantly large to say that it might be nicer for these to drop consistently in a certain daily box (Like with amalgamated gemstones)

Looks like someone bought a 150-200 of them today. Usually when something like this happens, the prices drop again after a couple of days when people notice and sell their inventory.

TheHeretic.3529:

I know they’re cheaper now than they used to be, but the price on these is blowing up again. A week ago they were 3g, now they’re 10g.

So 18 lilies for a set of exotic armor is 180g without factoring in the costs of other mats.

If you add in trinkets and weapons, you’d be over 500g.

Any chance the drop rate can be increased? They’re just too rare.

Bruh, never craft exotic armor, buy what compares in Orr, or buy it and forge it into what you want through the force. When your crafting costs exceed 50g you might as well step up and craft ascended

After LW3 was released people were spending a lot of time in bloodstone fen, which has a lot of jungle plant nodes. It may be that the initial rush of bloodstone fen has passed and many people went back to other areas.

That said, the drop rate on them is abysmal and it’s not much more expensive to just craft ascended trailblazer’s rather than exotic. Then it’s not soulbound and you can use infusions.

I have one single Maguuma Lily in my collection and I’ve been playing HoT since launch. Granted, I’m not nearly as hardcore as some players, not by a long shot, but something that’s just a crafting material (and one that you need potentially dozens of if you want to use it) has no business being that rare unless it makes something really awesome and impressive. Not an item that just makes a random stat combination of dozens.

Electro.4173:

I have one single Maguuma Lily in my collection and I’ve been playing HoT since launch. Granted, I’m not nearly as hardcore as some players, not by a long shot, but something that’s just a crafting material (and one that you need potentially dozens of if you want to use it) has no business being that rare unless it makes something really awesome and impressive. Not an item that just makes a random stat combination of dozens.

I’ve pretty much go out of my way to gather any jungle plant I see. I didn’t start doing that from HoT launch but I’ve been doing it for at least a few months. I also play a lot and most of my play time is spent in HoT maps. You know how many lilies I’ve gotten? 12! -_-

just went through Verdant Brink, Dragon Stand, and then did Bloodstone Fern 3 times and got one Lilly. That’s with gathering boosters so sometimes I even got up to four uses out of one plant. Why the hell are these so kitten rare? Are any of the other four stat items even close to this hard to get?

Reclaimermaster.4107:

just went through Verdant Brink, Dragon Stand, and then did Bloodstone Fern 3 times and got one Lilly. That’s with gathering boosters so sometimes I even got up to four uses out of one plant. Why the hell are these so kitten rare? Are any of the other four stat items even close to this hard to get?

Freshwater Pearls …

Khisanth.2948:

Reclaimermaster.4107:

just went through Verdant Brink, Dragon Stand, and then did Bloodstone Fern 3 times and got one Lilly. That’s with gathering boosters so sometimes I even got up to four uses out of one plant. Why the hell are these so kitten rare? Are any of the other four stat items even close to this hard to get?

Freshwater Pearls …

Is there a reason why these are so hard to get or are the drop rates just kittened and haven’t been changed.

Reclaimermaster.4107:

Khisanth.2948:

Reclaimermaster.4107:

just went through Verdant Brink, Dragon Stand, and then did Bloodstone Fern 3 times and got one Lilly. That’s with gathering boosters so sometimes I even got up to four uses out of one plant. Why the hell are these so kitten rare? Are any of the other four stat items even close to this hard to get?

Freshwater Pearls …

Is there a reason why these are so hard to get or are the drop rates just kittened and haven’t been changed.

I don’t think the drop rate of any of these things have changed. It’s just that some other things changed instead.

The HoT crafting materials can be separated into two groups.

Maguuma Burl 14s43c
Ebony Orb 19s78c
Agate Orb 14s97c
Moonstone Orb 13s63c
Black Diamond 22s15c

Flax Blossom 14s88c
Maguuma Lily 7g53s21c
Freshwater Pearl 7g94s95c

The first group comes can be obtained from airship cargo, exalted chests after a successful Tarir defense, crystallized caches and noxious pods while the second group is from gathering. Flax Blossoms would be at the same price as lily and pearls if not for the flax farm and an army of characters farming it daily.

The April patch made getting the keys much easier so the supply of those increased. The AB multiloot probably contributed greatly as well but even before the April patch Black Diamonds were only at most half the price of pearls and lilies. Viper is also probably more popular than either Trailblazer or Minstrel. If you consider that the prices are even crazier.

The other crazy thing is that the Auric Basin Hero’s Choice chest gives a Maguuma Burl but the VB and TD ones gives Barbed Thorns and Leaf Fossils. Those should have been Lilies and Pearls.

On the other hand the lilies and pearls have generated a decent size chunk of gold so I guess I am okay with the current situation …

Freshwater Pearls also drop rarely from keyless chests in the HoT maps. Maguuma Lilies do not.

I agree though that the VB and TD metas should give 1 Pearl and Lily for successful completion, as they are needed for the respective insignias/inscriptions sold in that map. Why this wasn’t done is a mystery to me.

Well, looks like the recent update has brought back this issue and made it worse all of a sudden.

Hey, remember Hero’s Choice chests?

Dragon’s Stand got black diamonds as one of its choices. Why not putting in the hero’s choice chests of the metas a choice for one of the materials used in the inscriptions and insignia recipes that can be purchased on that map?

A choice of a freshwater pearl in Verdant Brink.

A choice of a maguuma lily in Tangled Depths.

The choice for a black diamond moved to Auric Basin.

A choice of a charged thorn, a charged fossil or a flax blossom in Dragon’s Stand.

There’s only so much time one can spend in HoT maps gathering jungle plants unsuccessfully before becoming unable to sleep and spending the rest of one’s life writing on walls “All gathering an no play makes one go insane” with one’s own blood.

Giving them the passion flower treatment would be good.

If you still want them to maintain some rarity, you can even lock them behind completing meta’s as well. Such as the plant only blooming at the end of Dragon Stand or as suggested above from a hero’s choice chest.

its like they hate trailblazer’s stats.. its now 60 gold just for the flowers, per inscription/insignia. what is the point, guys? you make the “best” DPS stat easy to get by giving black diamonds to us in a choice, but then you make a fun condi tank set unattainable?

i bought 4 flowers for almost 80 gold

trailblazer is pretty OP….. having a bunker character with high condi dmg and max duration is extreme…. I only die if I get focussed in Meta maps orr when under attack by a mob of high level enemies (t4 ascalon fractal and being feared into mobs for example…., or DS when your group wipes…)
I used it on condi mesmer,but I gave it to my necro.., this as the invisibility tend to be enough defence in most cases for mesmer, and the fact all ppl, except maybe condi thieves, run when they figure out you’re on mesmer….
On necro you become really really really tanky ( say 2 health bars with vitality, and a lot of toughness….)

commander is pretty meta

Freshwater Pearls also drop from the end chest of Dragon’s Stand for some reason.

SakuraJD.4720:

its like they hate trailblazer’s stats.. its now 60 gold just for the flowers, per inscription/insignia. what is the point, guys? you make the “best” DPS stat easy to get by giving black diamonds to us in a choice, but then you make a fun condi tank set unattainable?

For the record, you can get a free piece of Trailblazer’s gear from the second to last mission in the HoT story.

The second to last mission gives box of viper’s…

You can select trailblazer from the hats,shoulder, and glove you can get from the LS3 rewards although getting more than one of the shoulders and gloves will require doing the WvW/PvP reward tracks.

Khisanth.2948:

The second to last mission gives box of viper’s…

It actually gives you a choice between a piece of exotic viper’s, trailblazer’s, or minstrel’s armor.

MithranArkanere.8957:

Well, looks like the recent update has brought back this issue and made it worse all of a sudden.

Hey, remember Hero’s Choice chests?

Dragon’s Stand got black diamonds as one of its choices. Why not putting in the hero’s choice chests of the metas a choice for one of the materials used in the inscriptions and insignia recipes that can be purchased on that map?

A choice of a freshwater pearl in Verdant Brink.

A choice of a maguuma lily in Tangled Depths.

The choice for a black diamond moved to Auric Basin.

A choice of a charged thorn, a charged fossil or a flax blossom in Dragon’s Stand.

There’s only so much time one can spend in HoT maps gathering jungle plants unsuccessfully before becoming unable to sleep and spending the rest of one’s life writing on walls “All gathering an no play makes one go insane” with one’s own blood.

This is a great idea! Adding the rare mats to the Hero’s Choice Chests that is, not going mad and writing on the walls in blood.

Adding them to the hero’s chest will make them worth barely anything.

Ayrilana.1396:

Adding them to the hero’s chest will make them worth barely anything.

That, I do believe, is exactly the point.

SlippyCheeze.5483:

Ayrilana.1396:

Adding them to the hero’s chest will make them worth barely anything.

That, I do believe, is exactly the point.

Why not make everything in the game that way then where everything has little value? What makes lilies any different?

For a game’s economy to be healthy, players cannot be able to farm everything they need easily. By distributing supply randomly through the entire playerbase, you force them to participate in the Trading Post which keeps the game’s economy running smoothly which provides two main benefits:

1. Fights inflation by destroying gold and
2. Makes the game rewarding by allowing players who get these items to sell them to players who want these items.

Being able to easily acquire the 18 lilies you want may make the game more rewarding for you (1 person), but it makes the game less rewarding for 17 other people who now just have more junk items in their bank.

That flip profit though.

The hero’s choice would add at most 4 per player per day.

Putting them in the crystallize caches should put them at a price similar to Black Diamonds unless you think TD beats ABML or there is no demand for these it wouldn’t drop them to the point of being worthless

mtpelion.4562:

For a game’s economy to be healthy, players cannot be able to farm everything they need easily. By distributing supply randomly through the entire playerbase, you force them to participate in the Trading Post which keeps the game’s economy running smoothly which provides two main benefits:

1. Fights inflation by destroying gold and
2. Makes the game rewarding by allowing players who get these items to sell them to players who want these items.

Being able to easily acquire the 18 lilies you want may make the game more rewarding for you (1 person), but it makes the game less rewarding for 17 other people who now just have more junk items in their bank.

This is not actually true though, the economy in not any more “healthy” because some items cost 10 g and others cost 1g. It just means that some people’s armour sets cost 170 or so more gold than others.

Adding it to the chest would add at most 1 per day as you would only be able to get one for the Chak Gerent, it would encourage partipation in these metas and will pretty much be required once the next expac drops, I think.

Best way to address this is to add it to the hero choice chests. It is timegated enough to keep the price from crashing, but it also offers a guaranteed way to gather them yourself if you were so inclined. Right now with the riduculous drop rate (I’ve never gotten a single one) its not feasible to gather them yourself.

The other thing to consider is that if you put them in the hero’s choice then people will only pick it until it stops being the most expensive choice. That basically means it will track the price of amalgamated gemstones.

Khisanth.2948:

The other thing to consider is that if you put them in the hero’s choice then people will only pick it until it stops being the most expensive choice. That basically means it will track the price of amalgamated gemstones.

Given that is an order of magnitude lower, it would certainly reduce the complaints about the pricing, and would satisfy most of the goals of the folks in this thread.

OriOri.8724:

Best way to address this is to add it to the hero choice chests. It is timegated enough to keep the price from crashing, but it also offers a guaranteed way to gather them yourself if you were so inclined. Right now with the riduculous drop rate (I’ve never gotten a single one) its not feasible to gather them yourself.

I doubt the high price of this one this is actually that significant to the overall economy, but you might find chasing down John Smith and asking for a direct comment useful if you really care.

Ultimately, though, I don’t think it’ll change in large part because there are many viable alternatives to these flowers and that stat set, and the market doesn’t seem to be failing — in the sense of running out of them to trade — at this time.

Pifil.5193:

Adding it to the chest would add at most 1 per day as you would only be able to get one for the Chak Gerent, it would encourage partipation in these metas and will pretty much be required once the next expac drops, I think.

It’ll still drive the price down to less than a gold if not further. There only sink for it is the armor/weapon and the new current event. With players having the option to get it on a wide scale, even if 1 per day, you’d eventually create a large surplus and drive it down. Currently this provides a great opportunity for farmers or players just casually playing on those maps.

Ayrilana.1396:

Pifil.5193:

Adding it to the chest would add at most 1 per day as you would only be able to get one for the Chak Gerent, it would encourage partipation in these metas and will pretty much be required once the next expac drops, I think.

It’ll still drive the price down to less than a gold if not further. There only sink for it is the armor/weapon and the new current event. With players having the option to get it on a wide scale, even if 1 per day, you’d eventually create a large surplus and drive it down. Currently this provides a great opportunity for farmers or players just casually playing on those maps.

Why are hard-core farmers or casual players (or indeed anyone else) more deserving than the person who just wants to craft a suit of armour? I mean, simply having a desire to craft a specific armour set says nothing about your bank balance.

Ayrilana.1396:

Pifil.5193:

Adding it to the chest would add at most 1 per day as you would only be able to get one for the Chak Gerent, it would encourage partipation in these metas and will pretty much be required once the next expac drops, I think.

It’ll still drive the price down to less than a gold if not further. There only sink for it is the armor/weapon and the new current event. With players having the option to get it on a wide scale, even if 1 per day, you’d eventually create a large surplus and drive it down. Currently this provides a great opportunity for farmers or players just casually playing on those maps.

No, it wouldn’t. Stop spreading lies. Every single heros choice chest has an amalgamated gemstone in it, which are hovering 1.90 gold each. As soon as the price of lilies dropped below this, people would stop picking it from the chest if they were just trying to sell the reward, as the amalgamated gemstone would then be more lucrative.

It provides a perfect floor (in the sense that its been at a steady price for a long time now) to how low lilies would drop in price. They would by no means drop to below 1 gold each

Ayrilana.1396:

Adding them to the hero’s chest will make them worth barely anything.

At the rate of one per meta per person, the supply won’t become big enough to make them completely worthless.

OriOri.8724:

Ayrilana.1396:

Pifil.5193:

Adding it to the chest would add at most 1 per day as you would only be able to get one for the Chak Gerent, it would encourage partipation in these metas and will pretty much be required once the next expac drops, I think.

It’ll still drive the price down to less than a gold if not further. There only sink for it is the armor/weapon and the new current event. With players having the option to get it on a wide scale, even if 1 per day, you’d eventually create a large surplus and drive it down. Currently this provides a great opportunity for farmers or players just casually playing on those maps.

No, it wouldn’t. Stop spreading lies. Every single heros choice chest has an amalgamated gemstone in it, which are hovering 1.90 gold each. As soon as the price of lilies dropped below this, people would stop picking it from the chest if they were just trying to sell the reward, as the amalgamated gemstone would then be more lucrative.

It provides a perfect floor (in the sense that its been at a steady price for a long time now) to how low lilies would drop in price. They would by no means drop to below 1 gold each

Gemstones have a much greater demand as you need them for crystalline ingots among others. They’re nowhere near the same level as Maguuma lilies. So no, I’m not lying.

Astralporing.1957:

Ayrilana.1396:

Adding them to the hero’s chest will make them worth barely anything.

At the rate of one per meta per person, the supply won’t become big enough to make them completely worthless.

Not immediately.

Pifil.5193:

Ayrilana.1396:

Pifil.5193:

Adding it to the chest would add at most 1 per day as you would only be able to get one for the Chak Gerent, it would encourage partipation in these metas and will pretty much be required once the next expac drops, I think.

It’ll still drive the price down to less than a gold if not further. There only sink for it is the armor/weapon and the new current event. With players having the option to get it on a wide scale, even if 1 per day, you’d eventually create a large surplus and drive it down. Currently this provides a great opportunity for farmers or players just casually playing on those maps.

Why are hard-core farmers or casual players (or indeed anyone else) more deserving than the person who just wants to craft a suit of armour? I mean, simply having a desire to craft a specific armour set says nothing about your bank balance.

It goes both ways.

Ayrilana.1396:

OriOri.8724:

Ayrilana.1396:

Pifil.5193:

Adding it to the chest would add at most 1 per day as you would only be able to get one for the Chak Gerent, it would encourage partipation in these metas and will pretty much be required once the next expac drops, I think.

It’ll still drive the price down to less than a gold if not further. There only sink for it is the armor/weapon and the new current event. With players having the option to get it on a wide scale, even if 1 per day, you’d eventually create a large surplus and drive it down. Currently this provides a great opportunity for farmers or players just casually playing on those maps.

No, it wouldn’t. Stop spreading lies. Every single heros choice chest has an amalgamated gemstone in it, which are hovering 1.90 gold each. As soon as the price of lilies dropped below this, people would stop picking it from the chest if they were just trying to sell the reward, as the amalgamated gemstone would then be more lucrative.

It provides a perfect floor (in the sense that its been at a steady price for a long time now) to how low lilies would drop in price. They would by no means drop to below 1 gold each

Gemstones have a much greater demand as you need them for crystalline ingots among others. They’re nowhere near the same level as Maguuma lilies. So no, I’m not lying.

Yes, you are. Yes, amalgamated gemstones have a substantially higher demand than lilies do. But for people who are selecting the rewards from the chest for the purposes of making a profit, they will choose the gemstone as soon as the price of a lily drops below that of a gemstone. And that price is hovering at just under 2 gold each. So no, lilies wouldn’t drop to below 1g just by being added to heros choice chests

OriOri.8724:

Ayrilana.1396:

OriOri.8724:

Ayrilana.1396:

Pifil.5193:

Adding it to the chest would add at most 1 per day as you would only be able to get one for the Chak Gerent, it would encourage partipation in these metas and will pretty much be required once the next expac drops, I think.

It’ll still drive the price down to less than a gold if not further. There only sink for it is the armor/weapon and the new current event. With players having the option to get it on a wide scale, even if 1 per day, you’d eventually create a large surplus and drive it down. Currently this provides a great opportunity for farmers or players just casually playing on those maps.

No, it wouldn’t. Stop spreading lies. Every single heros choice chest has an amalgamated gemstone in it, which are hovering 1.90 gold each. As soon as the price of lilies dropped below this, people would stop picking it from the chest if they were just trying to sell the reward, as the amalgamated gemstone would then be more lucrative.

It provides a perfect floor (in the sense that its been at a steady price for a long time now) to how low lilies would drop in price. They would by no means drop to below 1 gold each

Gemstones have a much greater demand as you need them for crystalline ingots among others. They’re nowhere near the same level as Maguuma lilies. So no, I’m not lying.

Yes, you are. Yes, amalgamated gemstones have a substantially higher demand than lilies do. But for people who are selecting the rewards from the chest for the purposes of making a profit, they will choose the gemstone as soon as the price of a lily drops below that of a gemstone. And that price is hovering at just under 2 gold each. So no, lilies wouldn’t drop to below 1g just by being added to heros choice chests

The same reason the price of silver doubloons didn’t plummet to the floor as soon as they introduced them into the map bonus rewards. There are maps giving more valuable items than silver doubloons.

Lilies can also be used to make AG so their prices wouldn’t drop below the rest of the materials that can be used for the same purpose. It would look similar to the reverse of what happened to Flax Blossoms when it was patched to allow them to be used to create AGs as well.

On the other hand pegging so to the price of AG might not be a great idea since those are only used for precursor and legendary crafting even if they use a large quantity. Maybe allow AGs to substitute for platinum doubloons in the recipes for bountiful consumables?

OriOri.8724:

Ayrilana.1396:

OriOri.8724:

Ayrilana.1396:

Pifil.5193:

Adding it to the chest would add at most 1 per day as you would only be able to get one for the Chak Gerent, it would encourage partipation in these metas and will pretty much be required once the next expac drops, I think.

It’ll still drive the price down to less than a gold if not further. There only sink for it is the armor/weapon and the new current event. With players having the option to get it on a wide scale, even if 1 per day, you’d eventually create a large surplus and drive it down. Currently this provides a great opportunity for farmers or players just casually playing on those maps.

No, it wouldn’t. Stop spreading lies. Every single heros choice chest has an amalgamated gemstone in it, which are hovering 1.90 gold each. As soon as the price of lilies dropped below this, people would stop picking it from the chest if they were just trying to sell the reward, as the amalgamated gemstone would then be more lucrative.

It provides a perfect floor (in the sense that its been at a steady price for a long time now) to how low lilies would drop in price. They would by no means drop to below 1 gold each

Gemstones have a much greater demand as you need them for crystalline ingots among others. They’re nowhere near the same level as Maguuma lilies. So no, I’m not lying.

Yes, you are. Yes, amalgamated gemstones have a substantially higher demand than lilies do. But for people who are selecting the rewards from the chest for the purposes of making a profit, they will choose the gemstone as soon as the price of a lily drops below that of a gemstone. And that price is hovering at just under 2 gold each. So no, lilies wouldn’t drop to below 1g just by being added to heros choice chests

Here’s my reasoning as it really had nothing to do with the amalgamated gemstones. Yes it would tie its price to them as nobody would choose the cheaper item. However, I don’t think that it would simply stop at that price. Certainly players would stop choosing it at price point but it could still go down much further. Players would stop choosing them when they went below the price of amalgamated gemstones but something else will take over to drive the price further down.

What I believe would happen would that within the next few days of that change, players would do the HoT maps to get that item to sell (if not use for themselves first). There’s no doubt that there will be a fairly large spike in supply followed with a drop in price. That’s fairly obvious and I don’t believe that we’re disputing that.

My basis on it going much further below the amalgamated gemstone as to do with its demand. There just really isn’t any. Orb of Essence only uses one and it takes four to get every weapon. Players could get more if they choose but they’re limited by the number of characters that they have that have gone through the HoT story and as well as the effort to get any other characters up to that point whether existing or newly created.

Look at the trend of listings for buy orders before the release and you’ll see that it was fairly stable throughout that time. Even with the spike in supply from during the time players were grinding AB before the change, the number of buy orders did not change. Not even when the price went down considerably. At that time, the only use for it was for trailblazer insignias and inscriptions which require three lilies each. Trailblazer isn’t meta and it’s mainly for niche builds.

On the day of the release, you’ll see a very large spike in the number of sell and buy orders followed by it dropping back down and leveling off slightly higher than it once was. I will make the disclaimer that there is a limitation with using buy order quantities but it does give you a reasonable indication on what to expect.

The price will drop further as players would increase supply so much that they don’t have time to react to the price rapidly dropping. There will be players that undercut who then get undercut themselves. Those who put up their listings will relist so they can get something out of it rather than have it sit on the TP and never sell at all. It’s because of this that it will drop down below amalgamated gemstones and I don’t see sub-1G prices being out of the question depending on the number of players that _farm" them. Since there’s very little demand for them, the price won’t change anytime soon.

Why would players pick maguuma flowers over amalgated gemstones if the price is lower, jsut to up supply and get less money?

FrizzFreston.5290:

Why would players pick maguuma flowers over amalgated gemstones if the price is lower, jsut to up supply and get less money?

That’s not at all what I said (if this was directed at me).

Ayrilana.1396:

FrizzFreston.5290:

Why would players pick maguuma flowers over amalgated gemstones if the price is lower, jsut to up supply and get less money?

That’s not at all what I said (if this was directed at me).

It was just posing an additional question on your theory. It seemed to me to be a huge factor yet you dont seem to mention it.

FrizzFreston.5290:

Ayrilana.1396:

FrizzFreston.5290:

Why would players pick maguuma flowers over amalgated gemstones if the price is lower, jsut to up supply and get less money?

That’s not at all what I said (if this was directed at me).

It was just posing an additional question on your theory. It seemed to me to be a huge factor yet you dont seem to mention it.

I did in my first paragraph. I’ll add another sentence at the end to make sure it’s clear.

People would choose them up to the point that they’re equal to amalgamated gemstones. Once they went lower, they’d stop going for them. What will drive the price further down would be the large surplus of supply that’s slow moving due to so few uses. Players would get impatient and undercut each other in order to sell the items rather than have them remain on the TP.

Ayrilana.1396:

FrizzFreston.5290:

Ayrilana.1396:

FrizzFreston.5290:

Why would players pick maguuma flowers over amalgated gemstones if the price is lower, jsut to up supply and get less money?

That’s not at all what I said (if this was directed at me).

It was just posing an additional question on your theory. It seemed to me to be a huge factor yet you dont seem to mention it.

I did in my first paragraph. I’ll add another sentence at the end to make sure it’s clear.

People would choose them up to the point that they’re equal to amalgamated gemstones. Once they went lower, they’d stop going for them. What will drive the price further down would be the large surplus of supply that’s slow moving due to so few uses. Players would get impatient and undercut each other in order to sell the items rather than have them remain on the TP.

But there wouldn’t be undercutting, as noone would pick lilies over amalgamates at that point (and their influx from current sources is negligible).

Astralporing.1957:

Ayrilana.1396:

FrizzFreston.5290:

Ayrilana.1396:

FrizzFreston.5290:

Why would players pick maguuma flowers over amalgated gemstones if the price is lower, jsut to up supply and get less money?

That’s not at all what I said (if this was directed at me).

It was just posing an additional question on your theory. It seemed to me to be a huge factor yet you dont seem to mention it.

I did in my first paragraph. I’ll add another sentence at the end to make sure it’s clear.

People would choose them up to the point that they’re equal to amalgamated gemstones. Once they went lower, they’d stop going for them. What will drive the price further down would be the large surplus of supply that’s slow moving due to so few uses. Players would get impatient and undercut each other in order to sell the items rather than have them remain on the TP.

But there wouldn’t be undercutting, as noone would pick lilies over amalgamates at that point (and their influx from current sources is negligible).

I had covered this in my post. It’s not about choosing it from the daily chest once it hit or went below the price of the amalgamated gemstones.

Ayrilana.1396:

FrizzFreston.5290:

Ayrilana.1396:

FrizzFreston.5290:

Why would players pick maguuma flowers over amalgated gemstones if the price is lower, jsut to up supply and get less money?

That’s not at all what I said (if this was directed at me).

It was just posing an additional question on your theory. It seemed to me to be a huge factor yet you dont seem to mention it.

I did in my first paragraph. I’ll add another sentence at the end to make sure it’s clear.

People would choose them up to the point that they’re equal to amalgamated gemstones. Once they went lower, they’d stop going for them. What will drive the price further down would be the large surplus of supply that’s slow moving due to so few uses. Players would get impatient and undercut each other in order to sell the items rather than have them remain on the TP.

I don’t think that’s likely, removing something from the tp to undercut someone eats your own profit (with the high listing fee). As for new postings they will undercut one another by 1 copper at a time and then supply and demand should balance out. The problem with the current situation where there is low supply and relatively high demand (at the moment there are 554 on the market with a demand of 1099 and the price is rising) is that it is easy for one person to corner the market and set the price to whatever they want it to be. I don’t know about you but I dislike that kind of market manipulation in a game.

However, having a dependable once-daily source for these kinds of items would insulate them from price fixing as well as give people an in game way of getting their own that doesn’t rely on a less than 1% drop rate.

Pifil.5193:

Ayrilana.1396:

FrizzFreston.5290:

Ayrilana.1396:

FrizzFreston.5290:

Why would players pick maguuma flowers over amalgated gemstones if the price is lower, jsut to up supply and get less money?

That’s not at all what I said (if this was directed at me).

It was just posing an additional question on your theory. It seemed to me to be a huge factor yet you dont seem to mention it.

I did in my first paragraph. I’ll add another sentence at the end to make sure it’s clear.

People would choose them up to the point that they’re equal to amalgamated gemstones. Once they went lower, they’d stop going for them. What will drive the price further down would be the large surplus of supply that’s slow moving due to so few uses. Players would get impatient and undercut each other in order to sell the items rather than have them remain on the TP.

I don’t think that’s likely, removing something from the tp to undercut someone eats your own profit (with the high listing fee). As for new postings they will undercut one another by 1 copper at a time and then supply and demand should balance out. The problem with the current situation where there is low supply and relatively high demand (at the moment there are 554 on the market with a demand of 1099 and the price is rising) is that it is easy for one person to corner the market and set the price to whatever they want it to be. I don’t know about you but I dislike that kind of market manipulation in a game.

However, having a dependable once-daily source for these kinds of items would insulate them from price fixing as well as give people an in game way of getting their own that doesn’t rely on a less than 1% drop rate.

Versus having something sit on the TP and not sell? Players will undercut by more that 1 copper in order to get a quick sale. Also think about individual players undercutting each other.

The issue is that by adding so much supply, and it being in low demand, sell orders will not move fast enough. With each meta completion for everyone per day, they add more to that surplus that will not lose as much supply as it gains. Eventually it’ll hit the point where its price equals that of amalgamated gemstones.

There will be players that are impatient who see that their sell orders have so many in front of theirs that they decide to take a hit on potential gold and list it at the current sell price in order to get something out of it. These players will compete with each other and drive the price further down.

The better option would be to just increase the drop rate.