Guild Wars 2

Most other profession elite specs will have had 2 beta weekends’ worth of play time over Druids and whatever the Engi elite is. I’ve pre-purchased just like anyone else, so why can’t I play my Druid at the same time others can play their elite specs?

Why are people so melodramatic? It’s fine dude. If warrior and guardian were the last two, would you have made a post saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”?

This is coming from someone who has his highest hours played as a Ranger.

You know what, I agree with this. I lm happy the beta test is next week because I really love playing the new specs, but I think engi and ranger should be in it as well. I mean it is what it is, but I have a feeling the engi and ranger are actually the two that will need the most feedback

You realize that they will continue taking feedback and making changes after HoT releases, right? It’s not like HoT will release and we are then stuck with whatever state Druids and Forges are in at that moment.

Well both side of the argument are ok. It’s not like the profession will be botched because they have 1 less beta weekend. But at the same time, they could have waited 2 weeks and include all elite spec.

It might be a good idea if the next BWE would just have the engineer and the ranger as playable proffesions so a good amount of feedback will come out of it. Otherwise the other proffesions will benefit a lot more form the BWE’s.

We’ll most likely get a third Beta Weekend for the last professions, so don’t rustle your jimmies too fast.

I must have missed the part where it says “your class of choice will receive equal amount of beta weekends as all others classes if you pre purchase heart of thorns”.

Thaddeus.4891:

Well both side of the argument are ok. It’s not like the profession will be botched because they have 1 less beta weekend. But at the same time, they could have waited 2 weeks and include all elite spec.

Depends on whether they’re ready or not. If they’re not ready yet why push back the opportunity to get some feedback on the others? The range and engi will get their testing, it just wont be tested by us this bwe.

Avster.1935:

Why are people so melodramatic? It’s fine dude. If warrior and guardian were the last two, would you have made a post saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”?

This is coming from someone who has his highest hours played as a Ranger.

It’s not fine, and YES if Guardians and Warriors were the last two, I’d be saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”. It doesn’t matter what the professions are, the point is there are professions getting valuable feedback time and others not.

Ranger is the most poorly designed profession in the game currently, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that carries over to druid seeing as it will be one of the last elite reveals and therefore have the least amount of playtime to relay feedback to Anet.

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

And at that point what is the solution? Would you prefer there had been no reveals yet so they could dump all nine on us at once and thus dilute the feedback on each as well as severely compressing the time available to iterate them? If they deliver the elites sequentially, _someone_’s fave profession will be last.

It’s not like all feedback ends the moment HoT launches, either. I’m sure ANet can do some serious tweaking post-launch, of the same order of magnitude as adding weapon swap to rev.

You have no idea how many BETA weekends there will be that will include Engi/Ranger. You’re assuming we are close to release. kittenumption.

Bryzy.2719:

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

Even if every prof has 2 more than Engi/Ranger, its irrelevant. Anet only needs as many BWE’s as is necessary to make the changes they want. Frankly, you’re being presumptuous and it’s making you look silly.

Bryzy.2719:

Avster.1935:

Why are people so melodramatic? It’s fine dude. If warrior and guardian were the last two, would you have made a post saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”?

This is coming from someone who has his highest hours played as a Ranger.

It’s not fine, and YES if Guardians and Warriors were the last two, I’d be saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”. It doesn’t matter what the professions are, the point is there are professions getting valuable feedback time and others not.

Ranger is the most poorly designed profession in the game currently, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that carries over to druid seeing as it will be one of the last elite reveals and therefore have the least amount of playtime to relay feedback to Anet.

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

They cannot release something to let people play and give feedback on if it’s not ready yet, it’s a very simple concept.

glehmann.9586:

You realize that they will continue taking feedback and making changes after HoT releases, right? It’s not like HoT will release and we are then stuck with whatever state Druids and Forges are in at that moment.

If took until the specialization revamp a few months ago to fix design flaws in classes that were being pointed out since Launch.

Them already playing favourites isn’t exactly filling people with confidence.

Obtena.7952:

You have no idea how many BETA weekends there will be that will include Engi/Ranger. You’re assuming we are close to release. kittenumption.

Bryzy.2719:

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

Even if every prof has 2 more than Engi/Ranger, its irrelevant. Anet only needs as many BWE’s as is necessary to make the changes they want. Frankly, you’re being presumptuous and it’s making you look silly.

Regardless of the aspect of feedback, it’s still 2 more BWE’s worth of playtime.

Thanks for the ad hominem. Do you tend to rebuke arguments solely with logic and facts, or do you simply feel the additional inherent need to call everyone with whom you disagree in an argument ‘silly’?

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Bryzy.2719:

Avster.1935:

Why are people so melodramatic? It’s fine dude. If warrior and guardian were the last two, would you have made a post saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”?

This is coming from someone who has his highest hours played as a Ranger.

It’s not fine, and YES if Guardians and Warriors were the last two, I’d be saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”. It doesn’t matter what the professions are, the point is there are professions getting valuable feedback time and others not.

Ranger is the most poorly designed profession in the game currently, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that carries over to druid seeing as it will be one of the last elite reveals and therefore have the least amount of playtime to relay feedback to Anet.

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

They cannot release something to let people play and give feedback on if it’s not ready yet, it’s a very simple concept.

ArenaNet stated that Druid was THE spec they were most confident about, hence announcing it first. Therefore that concept is void in this context.

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

Avster.1935:

Why are people so melodramatic? It’s fine dude. If warrior and guardian were the last two, would you have made a post saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”?

This is coming from someone who has his highest hours played as a Ranger.

It’s not fine, and YES if Guardians and Warriors were the last two, I’d be saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”. It doesn’t matter what the professions are, the point is there are professions getting valuable feedback time and others not.

Ranger is the most poorly designed profession in the game currently, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that carries over to druid seeing as it will be one of the last elite reveals and therefore have the least amount of playtime to relay feedback to Anet.

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

They cannot release something to let people play and give feedback on if it’s not ready yet, it’s a very simple concept.

ArenaNet stated that Druid was THE spec they were most confident about, hence announcing it first. Therefore that concept is void in this context.

Being confident in a concept does not mean it’s ready to be released for feedback. Concept =/= finished work.

Unless you have a source stating the druid is actually ready and not just about how confident they are about the concept of the druid, it doesn’t really matter. (also: source pls)

Levetty.1279:

glehmann.9586:

You realize that they will continue taking feedback and making changes after HoT releases, right? It’s not like HoT will release and we are then stuck with whatever state Druids and Forges are in at that moment.

If took until the specialization revamp a few months ago to fix design flaws in classes that were being pointed out since Launch.

Them already playing favourites isn’t exactly filling people with confidence.

Actually a lot of them are still unfixed…and they fixed a 3 year old bug yesterday…

I could just see it.

Anet: Ok guys/gals we are going to put Engi and Druid into the beta weekend but be forewarned they have not been finished and are still completely unplayable.

Players: Both Engi and Druid need a lot of work they seem to be unplayable.

Anet: As we stated both classes are unfinished and unplayable, but you all wanted fair equal test time.

Players: I don’t get it why would you put unplayable, unfinished classes in for testing, it makes no sense, what are we suppose to test ?

Anet: Ok next Beta weekend Engi’s and Druids will be removed from testing so we can finish working on them and make them playable so testing is more accurate.

Players: WHAT ! This is BS now they don’t get as much test time, it’s unfair, I want to play Engi or Druid.

Anet: ……..

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Bryzy.2719:

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Bryzy.2719:

Avster.1935:

Why are people so melodramatic? It’s fine dude. If warrior and guardian were the last two, would you have made a post saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”?

This is coming from someone who has his highest hours played as a Ranger.

It’s not fine, and YES if Guardians and Warriors were the last two, I’d be saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”. It doesn’t matter what the professions are, the point is there are professions getting valuable feedback time and others not.

Ranger is the most poorly designed profession in the game currently, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that carries over to druid seeing as it will be one of the last elite reveals and therefore have the least amount of playtime to relay feedback to Anet.

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

They cannot release something to let people play and give feedback on if it’s not ready yet, it’s a very simple concept.

ArenaNet stated that Druid was THE spec they were most confident about, hence announcing it first. Therefore that concept is void in this context.

Being confident in a concept does not mean it’s ready to be released for feedback. Concept =/= finished work.

Unless you have a source stating the druid is actually ready and not just about how confident they are about the concept of the druid, it doesn’t really matter. (also: source pls)

Given what you’re proposing, do you have a source that suggests the Druid, or Engi spec for that matter, is not equally as ready as the other revealed specs?

Source pls.

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

Avster.1935:

Why are people so melodramatic? It’s fine dude. If warrior and guardian were the last two, would you have made a post saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”?

This is coming from someone who has his highest hours played as a Ranger.

It’s not fine, and YES if Guardians and Warriors were the last two, I’d be saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”. It doesn’t matter what the professions are, the point is there are professions getting valuable feedback time and others not.

Ranger is the most poorly designed profession in the game currently, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that carries over to druid seeing as it will be one of the last elite reveals and therefore have the least amount of playtime to relay feedback to Anet.

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

They cannot release something to let people play and give feedback on if it’s not ready yet, it’s a very simple concept.

ArenaNet stated that Druid was THE spec they were most confident about, hence announcing it first. Therefore that concept is void in this context.

Being confident in a concept does not mean it’s ready to be released for feedback. Concept =/= finished work.

Unless you have a source stating the druid is actually ready and not just about how confident they are about the concept of the druid, it doesn’t really matter. (also: source pls)

Given what you’re proposing, do you have a source that suggests the Druid, or Engi spec for that matter, is not equally as ready as the other revealed specs?

Source pls.

My source? easy, they’re not released yet. Also, plain and simple use of reason and logic.

Also given that you tried to turn things around on me, i’m gonna assume you have no source, and even if you did my argument is still correct, being confident in a concept does not mean it’s a finished product.

Bryzy.2719:

Obtena.7952:

You have no idea how many BETA weekends there will be that will include Engi/Ranger. You’re assuming we are close to release. kittenumption.

Bryzy.2719:

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

Even if every prof has 2 more than Engi/Ranger, its irrelevant. Anet only needs as many BWE’s as is necessary to make the changes they want. Frankly, you’re being presumptuous and it’s making you look silly.

Regardless of the aspect of feedback, it’s still 2 more BWE’s worth of playtime.

Thanks for the ad hominem. Do you tend to rebuke arguments solely with logic and facts, or do you simply feel the additional inherent need to call everyone with whom you disagree in an argument ‘silly’?

It doesn’t matter if they get 2 more BWE’s of playtime and if it does, you haven’t explained why, or done so in any convincing manner. I’m not calling you silly because I disagree. I’m doing it because your not making any sense in your argument. You haven’t explained why it’s such a big deal that other professions are getting 2 more BWE’s of play time. In fact, it’s not.

Would it be better if they delayed the BWE2 by 2 weeks in order to include Ranger and Engi elite specs?

fluidmonolith.3584:

Would it be better if they delayed the BWE2 by 2 weeks in order to include Ranger and Engi elite specs?

No, because according to the OP’s logic, it’s already ‘too late’ since 4 professions have the ‘advantage’ of the first BWE that Engi/Ranger hadn’t. Not like anyone understands why that’s a massive issue in the first place ….

fluidmonolith.3584:

Would it be better if they delayed the BWE2 by 2 weeks in order to include Ranger and Engi elite specs?

If this is the last beta weekend…yes.

If there’s another beta they haven’t mentioned then it’s fine as is, it doesn’t matter (to me) that other classes had more weekends to try them. I just want to be able to test & provide beta feedback on engie & ranger elites just like we can on every other class.

Have they announced the second BWE? I can’t seem to find mention anywhere confirming a date that would exclude Ranger/Engie.

Just because you pre-purchased, doesn’t make you entitled to have 100% access to things that aren’t even ready…I HIGHLY doubt you pre-purchased for the sole reason to play a broken druid spec….

Engi/Rangers are probably the toughest professions for anet to manage/develop…i’m assuming they still tinkering with these 2 thats why they are last…

have some patience…

ScribeTheMad.7614:

Have they announced the second BWE? I can’t seem to find mention anywhere confirming a date that would exclude Ranger/Engie.

Yes they announced it, it should be up on the news section. It’s next week 4-6 september

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Avster.1935:

Why are people so melodramatic? It’s fine dude. If warrior and guardian were the last two, would you have made a post saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”?

This is coming from someone who has his highest hours played as a Ranger.

It’s not fine, and YES if Guardians and Warriors were the last two, I’d be saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”. It doesn’t matter what the professions are, the point is there are professions getting valuable feedback time and others not.

Ranger is the most poorly designed profession in the game currently, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that carries over to druid seeing as it will be one of the last elite reveals and therefore have the least amount of playtime to relay feedback to Anet.

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

They cannot release something to let people play and give feedback on if it’s not ready yet, it’s a very simple concept.

ArenaNet stated that Druid was THE spec they were most confident about, hence announcing it first. Therefore that concept is void in this context.

Being confident in a concept does not mean it’s ready to be released for feedback. Concept =/= finished work.

Unless you have a source stating the druid is actually ready and not just about how confident they are about the concept of the druid, it doesn’t really matter. (also: source pls)

Given what you’re proposing, do you have a source that suggests the Druid, or Engi spec for that matter, is not equally as ready as the other revealed specs?

Source pls.

Well i guess just trying to flip the question and ignoring what’s actually said is one tactic. A pretty bad one but sure , have fun with that.

My source? easy, they’re not released yet. Also, you can look up any , and i do mean any, article where someone asks about some futureitem/change/etc they’ll mostly have the answer that they’re not ready to reveal it yet/ only reveal things that are ready. But you can willfully ignore that to suit your own little theory ofc.

It’s not that hard to use logic if you really try too.

So you’re making an assumption based on the fact that they’re not released yet? There are multiple possibilities as to why they haven’t been released, such as ArenaNet’s subjective content-reveal schedule to maintain a mild level of anticipation leading to release. You criticised my assumption that ArenNet’s meaning behind the fact that Druid is the spec they are most “confident” in meant it is likely to be more ready than the others, yet you make your own.

Obtena.7952:

fluidmonolith.3584:

Would it be better if they delayed the BWE2 by 2 weeks in order to include Ranger and Engi elite specs?

No, because according to the OP’s logic, it’s already ‘too late’ since 4 professions have the ‘advantage’ of the first BWE that Engi/Ranger hadn’t. Not like anyone understands why that’s a massive issue in the first place ….

I explained it in my first post, I’m not sure what’s so difficult to understand? The basic principle is that it’s unfair that I pay the same as everyone else yet have to wait significantly longer to be able to play my profession. Edit: judging by your posts I’m going to make the assumption that you main a Guardian, which would explain why you would not share empathy to the situation of Rangers and Engies considering your profession was one of the first to have it’s elites revealed.

It’s plenty fair … Anet promised you nothing when you prepurchased except “BETA access”. Stop making up things you think you are entitled to, then QQing when you didn’t get them because of ‘not fair’.

Judging by your posts, you have alot to learn about how RL things work.

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

Avster.1935:

Why are people so melodramatic? It’s fine dude. If warrior and guardian were the last two, would you have made a post saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”?

This is coming from someone who has his highest hours played as a Ranger.

It’s not fine, and YES if Guardians and Warriors were the last two, I’d be saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”. It doesn’t matter what the professions are, the point is there are professions getting valuable feedback time and others not.

Ranger is the most poorly designed profession in the game currently, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that carries over to druid seeing as it will be one of the last elite reveals and therefore have the least amount of playtime to relay feedback to Anet.

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

They cannot release something to let people play and give feedback on if it’s not ready yet, it’s a very simple concept.

ArenaNet stated that Druid was THE spec they were most confident about, hence announcing it first. Therefore that concept is void in this context.

Being confident in a concept does not mean it’s ready to be released for feedback. Concept =/= finished work.

Unless you have a source stating the druid is actually ready and not just about how confident they are about the concept of the druid, it doesn’t really matter. (also: source pls)

Given what you’re proposing, do you have a source that suggests the Druid, or Engi spec for that matter, is not equally as ready as the other revealed specs?

Source pls.

Well i guess just trying to flip the question and ignoring what’s actually said is one tactic. A pretty bad one but sure , have fun with that.

My source? easy, they’re not released yet. Also, you can look up any , and i do mean any, article where someone asks about some futureitem/change/etc they’ll mostly have the answer that they’re not ready to reveal it yet/ only reveal things that are ready. But you can willfully ignore that to suit your own little theory ofc.

It’s not that hard to use logic if you really try too.

So you’re making an assumption based on the fact that they’re not released yet? There are multiple possibilities as to why they haven’t been released, such as ArenaNet’s subjective content-reveal schedule to maintain a mild level of anticipation leading to release. You criticised my assumption that ArenNet’s meaning behind the fact that Druid is the spec they are most “confident” in meant it is likely to be more ready than the others, yet you make your own.

lol, you honestly believe anything anet says regarding RANGER? that class is beyond broken and on life support. Anet saying they are “confident” in druid is absolutely meaningless.
They honestly are probably the exact opposite. Guaranteed ranger has gone through more iterations than any other spec because of how delicate the situation is with this half kitten d class and its broken class mechanic.

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

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Avster.1935:

Why are people so melodramatic? It’s fine dude. If warrior and guardian were the last two, would you have made a post saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”?

This is coming from someone who has his highest hours played as a Ranger.

It’s not fine, and YES if Guardians and Warriors were the last two, I’d be saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”. It doesn’t matter what the professions are, the point is there are professions getting valuable feedback time and others not.

Ranger is the most poorly designed profession in the game currently, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that carries over to druid seeing as it will be one of the last elite reveals and therefore have the least amount of playtime to relay feedback to Anet.

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

They cannot release something to let people play and give feedback on if it’s not ready yet, it’s a very simple concept.

ArenaNet stated that Druid was THE spec they were most confident about, hence announcing it first. Therefore that concept is void in this context.

Being confident in a concept does not mean it’s ready to be released for feedback. Concept =/= finished work.

Unless you have a source stating the druid is actually ready and not just about how confident they are about the concept of the druid, it doesn’t really matter. (also: source pls)

Given what you’re proposing, do you have a source that suggests the Druid, or Engi spec for that matter, is not equally as ready as the other revealed specs?

Source pls.

Well i guess just trying to flip the question and ignoring what’s actually said is one tactic. A pretty bad one but sure , have fun with that.

My source? easy, they’re not released yet. Also, you can look up any , and i do mean any, article where someone asks about some futureitem/change/etc they’ll mostly have the answer that they’re not ready to reveal it yet/ only reveal things that are ready. But you can willfully ignore that to suit your own little theory ofc.

It’s not that hard to use logic if you really try too.

So you’re making an assumption based on the fact that they’re not released yet? There are multiple possibilities as to why they haven’t been released, such as ArenaNet’s subjective content-reveal schedule to maintain a mild level of anticipation leading to release. You criticised my assumption that ArenNet’s meaning behind the fact that Druid is the spec they are most “confident” in meant it is likely to be more ready than the others, yet you make your own.

Actually i’m basing all my reasoning off of what anet has said over and over again when it comes to not revealing content before it is done. While you are basing yours on .. what exactly? you “feel” that it’s ready?

Anyhow, they’ll get their time to get feedback when they are finished. That’s just how it works. Oh and not to mention to siliness of your whole “i prepurchased i’m entitled to test whatver i want” line. No, you prepurchased a game, you have gotten everything they said you would get, aces to the beta weekend. Prepurchasing does not entitle you to decide what is in said beta.

Avster.1935:

Why are people so melodramatic? It’s fine dude. If warrior and guardian were the last two, would you have made a post saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”?

This is coming from someone who has his highest hours played as a Ranger.

yes. as someone who mains thief, I’m not happy about these classes having less time to test. if it was guard or warrior getting 1/3 of the testing that some other classes get, I’d be pretty kittened for them too.

(this assumes only 3 total BWEs. the more we get post ranger/engi, the less relevant an argument this is)

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Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

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Bryzy.2719:

Avster.1935:

Why are people so melodramatic? It’s fine dude. If warrior and guardian were the last two, would you have made a post saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”?

This is coming from someone who has his highest hours played as a Ranger.

It’s not fine, and YES if Guardians and Warriors were the last two, I’d be saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”. It doesn’t matter what the professions are, the point is there are professions getting valuable feedback time and others not.

Ranger is the most poorly designed profession in the game currently, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that carries over to druid seeing as it will be one of the last elite reveals and therefore have the least amount of playtime to relay feedback to Anet.

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

They cannot release something to let people play and give feedback on if it’s not ready yet, it’s a very simple concept.

ArenaNet stated that Druid was THE spec they were most confident about, hence announcing it first. Therefore that concept is void in this context.

Being confident in a concept does not mean it’s ready to be released for feedback. Concept =/= finished work.

Unless you have a source stating the druid is actually ready and not just about how confident they are about the concept of the druid, it doesn’t really matter. (also: source pls)

Given what you’re proposing, do you have a source that suggests the Druid, or Engi spec for that matter, is not equally as ready as the other revealed specs?

Source pls.

Well i guess just trying to flip the question and ignoring what’s actually said is one tactic. A pretty bad one but sure , have fun with that.

My source? easy, they’re not released yet. Also, you can look up any , and i do mean any, article where someone asks about some futureitem/change/etc they’ll mostly have the answer that they’re not ready to reveal it yet/ only reveal things that are ready. But you can willfully ignore that to suit your own little theory ofc.

It’s not that hard to use logic if you really try too.

So you’re making an assumption based on the fact that they’re not released yet? There are multiple possibilities as to why they haven’t been released, such as ArenaNet’s subjective content-reveal schedule to maintain a mild level of anticipation leading to release. You criticised my assumption that ArenNet’s meaning behind the fact that Druid is the spec they are most “confident” in meant it is likely to be more ready than the others, yet you make your own.

Actually i’m basing all my reasoning off of what anet has said over and over again when it comes to not revealing content before it is done. While you are basing yours on .. what exactly? you “feel” that it’s ready?

Oh and not to mention to siliness of your whole “i prepurchased i’m entitled to test whatver i want” line. No, you prepurchased a game, you have gotten everything they said you would get, aces to the beta weekend. Prepurchasing does not entitle you to decide what is in said beta.

Now you’re putting words in my text. Please tell me where I said “I’m entitled to test whatever I want”. I said nothing of the sort, nor was it even implied. Though I guess this proves the illogical lows you’re willing to stoop to in arguments. Well done, you’ve entirely lost argumentative credibility.

I’ll correct your quote for you: “I’ve pre-purchased just like anyone else, so why can’t I play my Druid at the same time others can play their elite specs?” This asserts that players should have equal access to content they prefer to play, but this unfortunately is not the case. I am not replying to you any further in case I’m deliberately mis-quoted to suit a failing argument again.

Gray.9041:

Avster.1935:

Why are people so melodramatic? It’s fine dude. If warrior and guardian were the last two, would you have made a post saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”?

This is coming from someone who has his highest hours played as a Ranger.

yes. as someone who mains thief, I’m not happy about these classes having less time to test. if it was guard or warrior getting 1/3 of the testing that some other classes get, I’d be pretty kittened for them too.

(this assumes only 3 total BWEs. the more we get post ranger/engi, the less relevant an argument this is)

But on the other hand do you really think anet is going to get any usefull and valuable feedback if they release an unfinished spec? (assuming it’s not ready)

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

Avster.1935:

Why are people so melodramatic? It’s fine dude. If warrior and guardian were the last two, would you have made a post saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”?

This is coming from someone who has his highest hours played as a Ranger.

It’s not fine, and YES if Guardians and Warriors were the last two, I’d be saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”. It doesn’t matter what the professions are, the point is there are professions getting valuable feedback time and others not.

Ranger is the most poorly designed profession in the game currently, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that carries over to druid seeing as it will be one of the last elite reveals and therefore have the least amount of playtime to relay feedback to Anet.

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

They cannot release something to let people play and give feedback on if it’s not ready yet, it’s a very simple concept.

ArenaNet stated that Druid was THE spec they were most confident about, hence announcing it first. Therefore that concept is void in this context.

Being confident in a concept does not mean it’s ready to be released for feedback. Concept =/= finished work.

Unless you have a source stating the druid is actually ready and not just about how confident they are about the concept of the druid, it doesn’t really matter. (also: source pls)

Given what you’re proposing, do you have a source that suggests the Druid, or Engi spec for that matter, is not equally as ready as the other revealed specs?

Source pls.

Well i guess just trying to flip the question and ignoring what’s actually said is one tactic. A pretty bad one but sure , have fun with that.

My source? easy, they’re not released yet. Also, you can look up any , and i do mean any, article where someone asks about some futureitem/change/etc they’ll mostly have the answer that they’re not ready to reveal it yet/ only reveal things that are ready. But you can willfully ignore that to suit your own little theory ofc.

It’s not that hard to use logic if you really try too.

So you’re making an assumption based on the fact that they’re not released yet? There are multiple possibilities as to why they haven’t been released, such as ArenaNet’s subjective content-reveal schedule to maintain a mild level of anticipation leading to release. You criticised my assumption that ArenNet’s meaning behind the fact that Druid is the spec they are most “confident” in meant it is likely to be more ready than the others, yet you make your own.

Actually i’m basing all my reasoning off of what anet has said over and over again when it comes to not revealing content before it is done. While you are basing yours on .. what exactly? you “feel” that it’s ready?

Oh and not to mention to siliness of your whole “i prepurchased i’m entitled to test whatver i want” line. No, you prepurchased a game, you have gotten everything they said you would get, aces to the beta weekend. Prepurchasing does not entitle you to decide what is in said beta.

Now you’re putting words in my text. Please tell me where I said “I’m entitled to test whatever I want”. I said nothing of the sort, nor was it even implied. Though I guess this proves the illogical lows you’re willing to stoop to in arguments. Well done, you’ve entirely lost argumentative credibility.

I’ll correct your quote for you: “I’ve pre-purchased just like anyone else, so why can’t I play my Druid at the same time others can play their elite specs?” This asserts that players should have equal access to content they prefer to play, but this unfortunately is not the case. I am not replying to you any further in case I’m deliberately mis-quoted to suit a failing argument again.

Hint: you quoted the part where you implied to be entitled to test the druid regardless of whether it’s ready or not.

But pretend that my arguments lost validity if it makes you feel more confident about yours. I don’t mind.

dsslive.8473:

But on the other hand do you really think anet is going to get any usefull and valuable feedback if they release an unfinished spec? (assuming it’s not ready)

So what was it they did with the Revenant in the first BWE then hmm?

dsslive.8473:

Gray.9041:

Avster.1935:

Why are people so melodramatic? It’s fine dude. If warrior and guardian were the last two, would you have made a post saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”?

This is coming from someone who has his highest hours played as a Ranger.

yes. as someone who mains thief, I’m not happy about these classes having less time to test. if it was guard or warrior getting 1/3 of the testing that some other classes get, I’d be pretty kittened for them too.

(this assumes only 3 total BWEs. the more we get post ranger/engi, the less relevant an argument this is)

But on the other hand do you really think anet is going to get any usefull and valuable feedback if they release an unfinished spec? (assuming it’s not ready)

Like all the Rev tests they did without all the weapons and trait lines in place?

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

Avster.1935:

Why are people so melodramatic? It’s fine dude. If warrior and guardian were the last two, would you have made a post saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”?

This is coming from someone who has his highest hours played as a Ranger.

It’s not fine, and YES if Guardians and Warriors were the last two, I’d be saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”. It doesn’t matter what the professions are, the point is there are professions getting valuable feedback time and others not.

Ranger is the most poorly designed profession in the game currently, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that carries over to druid seeing as it will be one of the last elite reveals and therefore have the least amount of playtime to relay feedback to Anet.

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

They cannot release something to let people play and give feedback on if it’s not ready yet, it’s a very simple concept.

ArenaNet stated that Druid was THE spec they were most confident about, hence announcing it first. Therefore that concept is void in this context.

Being confident in a concept does not mean it’s ready to be released for feedback. Concept =/= finished work.

Unless you have a source stating the druid is actually ready and not just about how confident they are about the concept of the druid, it doesn’t really matter. (also: source pls)

Given what you’re proposing, do you have a source that suggests the Druid, or Engi spec for that matter, is not equally as ready as the other revealed specs?

Source pls.

Well i guess just trying to flip the question and ignoring what’s actually said is one tactic. A pretty bad one but sure , have fun with that.

My source? easy, they’re not released yet. Also, you can look up any , and i do mean any, article where someone asks about some futureitem/change/etc they’ll mostly have the answer that they’re not ready to reveal it yet/ only reveal things that are ready. But you can willfully ignore that to suit your own little theory ofc.

It’s not that hard to use logic if you really try too.

So you’re making an assumption based on the fact that they’re not released yet? There are multiple possibilities as to why they haven’t been released, such as ArenaNet’s subjective content-reveal schedule to maintain a mild level of anticipation leading to release. You criticised my assumption that ArenNet’s meaning behind the fact that Druid is the spec they are most “confident” in meant it is likely to be more ready than the others, yet you make your own.

Actually i’m basing all my reasoning off of what anet has said over and over again when it comes to not revealing content before it is done. While you are basing yours on .. what exactly? you “feel” that it’s ready?

Oh and not to mention to siliness of your whole “i prepurchased i’m entitled to test whatver i want” line. No, you prepurchased a game, you have gotten everything they said you would get, aces to the beta weekend. Prepurchasing does not entitle you to decide what is in said beta.

Now you’re putting words in my text. Please tell me where I said “I’m entitled to test whatever I want”. I said nothing of the sort, nor was it even implied. Though I guess this proves the illogical lows you’re willing to stoop to in arguments. Well done, you’ve entirely lost argumentative credibility.

I’ll correct your quote for you: “I’ve pre-purchased just like anyone else, so why can’t I play my Druid at the same time others can play their elite specs?” This asserts that players should have equal access to content they prefer to play, but this unfortunately is not the case. I am not replying to you any further in case I’m deliberately mis-quoted to suit a failing argument again.

Hint: you quoted the part where you implied to be entitled to test the druid regardless of whether it’s ready or not.

But pretend that my arguments lost validity if it makes you feel more confident about yours. I don’t mind.

So now you’re implying that all the currently revealed elite specs are ready? Yet people are entitled to play those despite them not being? Keep going. Edit: I retract my previous statement of not replying to you any further as I can’t let such fallacy go unchallenged.

Also, please answer why you think: “But on the other hand do you really think anet is going to get any usefull and valuable feedback if they release an unfinished spec? (assuming it’s not ready)”

When this is EXACTLY what they did with the Revenant and “useful and valuable feedback” is EXACTLY what they got from an unfinished profession.

Bryzy.2719:

So what was it they did with the Revenant in the first BWE then hmm?

Levetty.1279:

Like all the Rev tests they did without all the weapons and trait lines in place?

There’s a bit off a difference between a missing weapon and missing class mechanic/class functionality. did the revenant go without his energy and legendary stance switching?

Bryzy.2719:

So now you’re implying that all the currently revealed elite specs are ready? Yet people are entitled to play those despite them not being? Keep going. Edit: I retract my previous statement of not replying to you any further as I can’t let such fallacy go unchallenged

Yes, the full base is ready, tweaks and fixes are what’s in store for them to make them completely ready. And no one is entitled to anything, they get what anet gives them duirng the beta, that’s it. If you want to feel like you are being unfairly treated because you’re fav isn’t in the current beta then tough luck, that’s not really how it works.

Lol fallacy sure, must be hard trying so hard to discredit someone coze they don’t agree with you.

Bryzy.2719:

Also, please answer why you think: “But on the other hand do you really think anet is going to get any usefull and valuable feedback if they release an unfinished spec? (assuming it’s not ready)”

When this is EXACTLY what they did with the Revenant and “useful and valuable feedback” is EXACTLY what they got from an unfinished profession.

Simple, you’re assuming i’m talking about a missing traitline or weapon, but if the class as a whole isn’t finished (aka energy management, interactions of legendary stance switches) than you’re feedback is gonna be pretty useless.

btw a missing traitline for an elite spec is quite a big deal actually since that’s kinda what it’s about, the traitline/weapon/utility skils and class mechanic change/addition. It’s kinda important to have all those to be tested together, just like the revenant had it’s trait lines, it’s corresponding legendary stances and weapons and ofc class mechanic, instead of, just a traitline and a weapon without legendary stance or even a class mechanic.

You’re both arguing over assumption.
Neither one of you have facts.
Neither one of you is right.
Neither one of you are wrong.
You’re both dragging out an argument that can’t be answered factually.
Stop the slap fight, you both look silly.

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

Also, please answer why you think: “But on the other hand do you really think anet is going to get any usefull and valuable feedback if they release an unfinished spec? (assuming it’s not ready)”

When this is EXACTLY what they did with the Revenant and “useful and valuable feedback” is EXACTLY what they got from an unfinished profession.

Simple, you’re assuming i’m talking about a missing traitline or weapon, but if the class as a whole isn’t finished (aka energy management, interactions of legendary stance switches) than you’re feedback is gonna be pretty useless.

btw a missing traitline for an elite spec is quite a big deal actually since that’s kinda what it’s about, the traitline/weapon/utility skils and class mechanic change/addition. It’s kinda important to have all those to be tested together, just like the revenant had it’s trait lines, it’s corresponding legendary stances and weapons and ofc class mechanic, instead of, just a traitline and a weapon without legendary stance or even a class mechanic.

What?? I’m not assuming anything. I’m making a direct reference to the fact that you said “unfinished”. Again, you’re making things up.

And you’re completely wrong by saying “if the class as a whole isn’t finished (aka energy management, interactions of legendary stance switches) than you’re feedback is gonna be pretty useless.”, since the Revenant was FAR from finished when it was released, yet all the feedback on the UNFINISHED Revenant was useful to Anet. I think you’ve completely misunderstood what I asked you here.

glehmann.9586:

You realize that they will continue taking feedback and making changes after HoT releases, right? It’s not like HoT will release and we are then stuck with whatever state Druids and Forges are in at that moment.

Ranger’s pets had issues in beta and were controversial. That still hasn’t been addressed.

Engineer backpacks were hated from the beginning, with lots of people literally saying what you’re saying(’it’s beta! It’ll get fixed after launch!’) and it took 3 years and constant nagging to get them to remove them. And several of their replacements(bomb kit most notably) look cartoonishly bad.

Necros have been a joke since release and have only just now gotten the kind of attention needed to fix that.

So yeah, I don’t trust that something not addressed by beta will be fixed live.

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

Also, please answer why you think: “But on the other hand do you really think anet is going to get any usefull and valuable feedback if they release an unfinished spec? (assuming it’s not ready)”

When this is EXACTLY what they did with the Revenant and “useful and valuable feedback” is EXACTLY what they got from an unfinished profession.

Simple, you’re assuming i’m talking about a missing traitline or weapon, but if the class as a whole isn’t finished (aka energy management, interactions of legendary stance switches) than you’re feedback is gonna be pretty useless.

btw a missing traitline for an elite spec is quite a big deal actually since that’s kinda what it’s about, the traitline/weapon/utility skils and class mechanic change/addition. It’s kinda important to have all those to be tested together, just like the revenant had it’s trait lines, it’s corresponding legendary stances and weapons and ofc class mechanic, instead of, just a traitline and a weapon without legendary stance or even a class mechanic.

What?? I’m not assuming anything. I’m making a direct reference to the fact that you said “unfinished”. Again, you’re making things up.

And you’re completely wrong by saying “if the class as a whole isn’t finished (aka energy management, interactions of legendary stance switches) than you’re feedback is gonna be pretty useless.”, since the Revenant was FAR from finished when it was released, yet all the feedback on the UNFINISHED Revenant was useful to Anet. I think you’ve completely misunderstood what I asked you here.

I’m not saying the feedback on the revenant wasn’t usefull to anet, i’m saying it was usefull because the basics of the revenant were there. (the things i mentioned in my post)

Random.4691:

You’re both arguing over assumption.
Neither one of you have facts.
Neither one of you is right.
Neither one of you are wrong.
You’re both dragging out an argument that can’t be answered factually.
Stop the slap fight, you both look silly.

You are in fact correct As such there is nothing really more to say.

Random.4691:

You’re both arguing over assumption.
Neither one of you have facts.
Neither one of you is right.
Neither one of you are wrong.
You’re both dragging out an argument that can’t be answered factually.
Stop the slap fight, you both look silly.

I’m too tired now. I’m just gonna go run round WvW on my boonkitten Ranger pretending like I’m useful by giving out free boons.

Random.4691:

I could just see it.

Anet: Ok guys/gals we are going to put Engi and Druid into the beta weekend but be forewarned they have not been finished and are still completely unplayable.

Players: Both Engi and Druid need a lot of work they seem to be unplayable.

Anet: As we stated both classes are unfinished and unplayable, but you all wanted fair equal test time.

Players: I don’t get it why would you put unplayable, unfinished classes in for testing, it makes no sense, what are we suppose to test ?

Anet: Ok next Beta weekend Engi’s and Druids will be removed from testing so we can finish working on them and make them playable so testing is more accurate.

Players: WHAT ! This is BS now they don’t get as much test time, it’s unfair, I want to play Engi or Druid.

Anet: ……..

LOL! That made my day!

OP really needs to read that. Then, read it again.

This post is the only thing that went through my mind when I read about the BWE…. I’m honestly disappointed that they wouldn’t just plan things better. Just bumping this post

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

dsslive.8473:

Bryzy.2719:

Avster.1935:

Why are people so melodramatic? It’s fine dude. If warrior and guardian were the last two, would you have made a post saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”?

This is coming from someone who has his highest hours played as a Ranger.

It’s not fine, and YES if Guardians and Warriors were the last two, I’d be saying “Warriors and Guardians shafted”. It doesn’t matter what the professions are, the point is there are professions getting valuable feedback time and others not.

Ranger is the most poorly designed profession in the game currently, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that carries over to druid seeing as it will be one of the last elite reveals and therefore have the least amount of playtime to relay feedback to Anet.

It doesn’t matter how many more BWEs Anet give us now. All other professions will still have had 2 more than Rangers and Engis. I’d be saying exactly the same if it was any other 2 professions in the same position.

They cannot release something to let people play and give feedback on if it’s not ready yet, it’s a very simple concept.

ArenaNet stated that Druid was THE spec they were most confident about, hence announcing it first. Therefore that concept is void in this context.

Being confident in a concept does not mean it’s ready to be released for feedback. Concept =/= finished work.

Unless you have a source stating the druid is actually ready and not just about how confident they are about the concept of the druid, it doesn’t really matter. (also: source pls)

Given what you’re proposing, do you have a source that suggests the Druid, or Engi spec for that matter, is not equally as ready as the other revealed specs?

Source pls.

So, what, you think they kept out a perfectly playable class out for some reason? Seriously? How do you defend that… Logic?

Seriously wth would they keep classes that are otherwise ready out? Just to kitten people off? Source please.

Random.4691:

I could just see it.

Anet: Ok guys/gals we are going to put Engi and Druid into the beta weekend but be forewarned they have not been finished and are still completely unplayable.

Players: Both Engi and Druid need a lot of work they seem to be unplayable.

Anet: As we stated both classes are unfinished and unplayable, but you all wanted fair equal test time.

Players: I don’t get it why would you put unplayable, unfinished classes in for testing, it makes no sense, what are we suppose to test ?

Anet: Ok next Beta weekend Engi’s and Druids will be removed from testing so we can finish working on them and make them playable so testing is more accurate.

Players: WHAT ! This is BS now they don’t get as much test time, it’s unfair, I want to play Engi or Druid.

Anet: ……..

This pretty much sums it up right here…. They could just let us a try a completely busted/unfinished spec, or a massively watered down one similar to the first rev beta… and everyone that mains these two classes will throw a fit about how it “sucks”.