Guild Wars 2

With all the information being released by Colin and MO, it appears that Revenants are going to be a bit too overpowered. Now you’re probably asking why I would make this claim before the expansion is even in Open Beta. What it comes down to is versatility.

Revenants are going to be able to use their based Weapon skills, and channel spirits that change their Heal, Utility, and Elite skills. With this idea, there’s concerns that they have more playability than any other class. If you can Weapon Swap, that allows you to have a nice variety of skills to use strategically. But if you can “Utility Bar Swap” in combat, that might give too much benefits for smart players in SPvP. Couple that with the speculation that you can select different Legend spirits to channel, and assuming each has it’s own strategic play style, and you’ve just inserted Ursan-mode v1.0 from GW1.

I hope the SPvP Devs keep this in mind when they have their brainstorming meetings. I’m going to LOVE trying out this new class, but I hope there’s some balance as I don’t get ROLFstomp’d in matches.

Lol, they haven’t even released a demo of the expansion, we still know so little about the Revenant, and you are already requesting a Nerf… Honestly, I find it pretty funny.

How can you… it’s not even out in beta… but… Yeah you said it yourself.

OT: The elementalist has 4*5 + 5 skills right ? If this revenant can change the utilities, heal and elite, that makes it 2*5 for weaponswap, 4 skills (-1 for the channel skill itself ? we don’t even know how it functions! ) and a new set of 5. That makes 19. The elementalist is not OP because he has 25, so why would the revenant be with 19 ? And all this aside we haven’t even seen him…

Btw this post is Satire for those that also didn’t notice at first.
Took me a second read to realize that. OP did this post badly because it appears serious at first read. A few smiliey faces next time would do better.. Just saying,

Funny bc i been thinking that he might be a bit up. We dont have a proper info to judge this class yet and you screaming to nerf it already? Kids these days..

talk about putting the horse before the cart…

My information is based on interviews from the mouths of the great Colin and Mike O’Brien. They state that the Heal, Utility, and Elite skills will change with channeling of your selected Legend spirit. That’s much different than an Ele changing between Earth, Fire, Wind, Water, and Heart. Pro SPvPers will be able to adjust their in-combat battle tactics more quickly than other classes.

Think about it. One Legend could be good for anti-Melee, and another could be good for anti-Ranged. The possible versatility of this class will be miles ahead of anything we’ve ever seen. That’s why I’m hoping there’s time to consider all possibilities before Open Beta comes around. A faster Beta balancing = faster HoT release.

More than likely that the summoning of legends would be an Elite Skill where you can only choose one of them.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

My information is based on interviews from the mouths of the great Colin and Mike O’Brien. They state that the Heal, Utility, and Elite skills will change with channeling of your selected Legend spirit. That’s much different than an Ele changing between Earth, Fire, Wind, Water, and Heart. Pro SPvPers will be able to adjust their in-combat battle tactics more quickly than other classes.

Think about it. One Legend could be good for anti-Melee, and another could be good for anti-Ranged. The possible versatility of this class will be miles ahead of anything we’ve ever seen. That’s why I’m hoping there’s time to consider all possibilities before Open Beta comes around. A faster Beta balancing = faster HoT release.

and how exactly do we channel these legends? what if they’re like, say, ranger pets, in that you can only have one or two options at a time? are rangers OP because they can change from tanky pets to condi pets to dps pets to CC pets to even healer (!!!) pets?

the class isnt even out yet..but we have a complaining qq bastage already…kitten grow up have patience and wait and see what its like

Guild wars balances around pvp, believe me when I say that is how they balance things.

BrunoBRS.5178:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

My information is based on interviews from the mouths of the great Colin and Mike O’Brien. They state that the Heal, Utility, and Elite skills will change with channeling of your selected Legend spirit. That’s much different than an Ele changing between Earth, Fire, Wind, Water, and Heart. Pro SPvPers will be able to adjust their in-combat battle tactics more quickly than other classes.

Think about it. One Legend could be good for anti-Melee, and another could be good for anti-Ranged. The possible versatility of this class will be miles ahead of anything we’ve ever seen. That’s why I’m hoping there’s time to consider all possibilities before Open Beta comes around. A faster Beta balancing = faster HoT release.

and how exactly do we channel these legends? what if they’re like, say, ranger pets, in that you can only have one or two options at a time? are rangers OP because they can change from tanky pets to condi pets to dps pets to CC pets to even healer (!!!) pets?

Rangers are OP. They have ranged knockbacks, and hit you with 11k crits before you can even get close. But that’s for another topic.

The point that many people are missing is that I’d like Anet Devs to consider the SPvP elements, in addition to the new PvE elements now. By doing so, it’ll mean far less refinement by Open Beta, and that means we get our expansion quicker than, say, Summer 2015.

Fun Fact: Revenants have never lost a single pvp match on live servers. So yeah, ANET please nerf!

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Rangers are OP.

ok, that’s the confirmation i needed that you were trolling.

BrunoBRS.5178:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Rangers are OP.

ok, that’s the confirmation i needed that you were trolling.

If you played SPvP or WvW, you’d see that Rangers are one of the most dangerous classes out there. Longbow your HP down, and when you get close, Greatsword swap, and it’s over.

Now please, enough with the trolling. I made a serious thread in the hopes that Devs consider Player vs Player gameplay, in addition to PvE balancing.

Atleast wait till the actual blogpost detailing the revenant comes out before jumping to conclussions.

It makes things much much simpler.

Even with a blog post with the details on their weapons and utilities, you still will not be able to make a claim on whether or not they’re overpowered or underpowered. Until you compare them to what’s in the game now; best by actually playing with them and playing against them; making a claim on their power is really dumb.

Herein lies the difference between players who PvE, and experienced PvP players who use strategy and tactics in battle. The power is in the mechanics, not how much damage their skills can do. When you have one class that’s able to switch freely between different Utility and Elite skillsets, it’s “OP” in the hands of smart players.

Technically, the idea of Revenants’ mechanics itself is overpowered. That’s not to say I’m not going to play it. I’m openly making sure the Devs hear my viewpoints in advance, so we can get our expansion as soon as possible.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Technically, the idea of Revenants’ mechanics itself is overpowered. That’s not to say I’m not going to play it. I’m openly making sure the Devs hear my viewpoints in advance, so we can get our expansion as soon as possible.

Haha, are you joking? So you mean to tell me that even if the skills they get from channeling legends were subpar compared to other professions because of their ease of switching, they’d still be overpowered because the mechanic by which they gain access to their skills is just unfair.

Okay then, Ranger is overpowered because they have 2 bodies. Doesn’t matter how much damage or healing they do, that mechanic idea in of itself is overpowered. Nerf it.

Warrior is overpowered because they have heavy armor and the most health. Doesn’t matter if they don’t have many active survival skills, that’s too much passive survivability. I don’t care what the counter balance is, it’s overpowered. Nerf it.

Necromancers have 2 health pools! That mechanic is overpowered, nerf it.

Elementalists have TWICE as many weapon skills as anyone else! That mechanic is overpowered! Nerf it!

Engineers get 4 extra utility skills! Overpowered mechanic! Nerf it!

Guardians get permanent passive buffs! Overpowered, Nerf it!

Thieves don’t have weapon skill cooldowns! Overpowered! Nerf it!

Mesmers have clones! Nerf it!

Revenants have extra utilities! Nerf it!

That’s a silly notion. The numbers matter.

I am thinking the Revenants are going to be kinda like the Elementalist. They will have different “Atunements”. Where they switch between them in combat.

I lean towards the thinking that a skill without power behind it isn’t helped by any mechanic, and if that- as utility skills- is the case for the Revanant than you’re just blowing hot air.

Save it till you actually see numbers and what boons/conditions the different swaps actually provide. For all you know they may not even give one stack of might so you won’t have to worry about a Rev directly powering up its- hypothetically- subpar damage.

Ele’s have more skills than Revs will (unless Revs can swap between 5+ legends), you build them with a glyph build and they pretty much have 32 different ones too since Glyphs do something different depending on what you’re attuned to. Yet, according to you, what you really think is OP is ranger so why are you QQing about a class with just an off hand remark about its mechanics if you don’t care about Eles?

Smooth Penguin.5294:

With all the information being released by Colin and MO, it appears that Revenants are going to be a bit too overpowered. Now you’re probably asking why I would make this claim before the expansion is even in Open Beta. What it comes down to is versatility.

Revenants are going to be able to use their based Weapon skills, and channel spirits that change their Heal, Utility, and Elite skills. With this idea, there’s concerns that they have more playability than any other class. If you can Weapon Swap, that allows you to have a nice variety of skills to use strategically. But if you can “Utility Bar Swap” in combat, that might give too much benefits for smart players in SPvP. Couple that with the speculation that you can select different Legend spirits to channel, and assuming each has it’s own strategic play style, and you’ve just inserted Ursan-mode v1.0 from GW1.

I hope the SPvP Devs keep this in mind when they have their brainstorming meetings. I’m going to LOVE trying out this new class, but I hope there’s some balance as I don’t get ROLFstomp’d in matches.

I don’t think you’ll have to worry. My guess is that the new specializations will be allowed in WvW but not in sPvP because not everyone is going to buy the expansion.

OP says Revenants are OP that means Elementalists are also OP, simply by the fact that utility skills have traditionally longer cooldowns than weapon skills so Elementalist will not only have more skills than the Revenant most likely (using the math provided by Minae Iss above) but they will also have overall higher APM because weapon skill cooldowns tend to be the shorter of the two sides of the skill bar.

PS: This topic is an amusing read, just adding to it

Crise.9401:

OP says Revenants are OP that means Elementalists are also OP, simply by the fact that utility skills have traditionally longer cooldowns than weapon skills so Elementalist will not only have more skills than the Revenant most likely (using the math provided by Minae Iss above) but they will also have overall higher APM because weapon skill cooldowns tend to be the shorter of the two sides of the skill bar.

PS: This topic is an amusing read, just adding to it

Strawman argument.

BilboBaggins.5620:

Strawman argument.

Absolutely, not that I am in any way implying that I agree with you, but as long as no member of the general public has had a chance to actually play the Revenant this applies to every argument about its supposed over or under poweredness. Just playing along here to amuse myself.

Revenant Master Race Profession

Edit: Also Elementalists are clearly the most OP of all professions for they are the only profession with access to over 25 skills in active combat underwater, this blasphemy must immediately be rectified.

Like saying ele and engineer is op.

Yes they are op and I hope Rev is. But like ele and engi you actually need skill to be good at them. I hope the Rev does require skill and has a high pay off for using skill. I hope it’s much stronger then warrior just sitting there using its auto attack and 100b. If this class has many skills that need used together with skill to make it op so be it. It’s a good thing.

how does something that we haven’t been able to even test in beta need nerfing lol :P IF anything my mesmer needs nerfing

stahp trollin

Smooth Penguin.5294:

My information is based on interviews from the mouths of the great Colin and Mike O’Brien. They state that the Heal, Utility, and Elite skills will change with channeling of your selected Legend spirit. That’s much different than an Ele changing between Earth, Fire, Wind, Water, and Heart. Pro SPvPers will be able to adjust their in-combat battle tactics more quickly than other classes.

Think about it. One Legend could be good for anti-Melee, and another could be good for anti-Ranged. The possible versatility of this class will be miles ahead of anything we’ve ever seen. That’s why I’m hoping there’s time to consider all possibilities before Open Beta comes around. A faster Beta balancing = faster HoT release.

Could is the key word. Try focusing on the concept and base your judgment on that, we literally have nothing but that to work with. Assuming that it will be OP cause you imagine there could be too many good skills or what have you doesnt really reflect anything about the actual class. Simply, we do not know, and you have to wait, so calm down, speculate, and have fun like everyone else.

OP is clearly an Ele who is just mad his build will not be meta with the expansion.

I usually ignore posts like this but I just had to make a prediction. I predict that the Rev will become the new Warrior class and it will be able to solo everything.

Standard procedure for MMO expansions is to make the stuff in them OP as hell, and nerf them somewhere down the line after the big buying rush.

So yes, I also expect Revenant and those class specializations to be super OP compared to vanilla (at least for the first month or two after HoT comes out).

Achievement unlocked: Grandmaster Trolling

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Now please, enough with the trolling. I made a serious thread in the hopes that Devs consider Player vs Player gameplay, in addition to PvE balancing.

He says this after we just got yet another patch where wvw and pve got nerfed because of pvp.
All the devs do is consider pvp balance, down to screw everything else.

Now let’s sit back and wait and see how this thing even works and what it does. Saying theyre overpowered just because they swap their utility skills is just silly.

We . . . don’t even know what this new class can do yet. . . .

…

Is this sarcasm?

Knighthonor.4061:

Btw this post is Satire for those that also didn’t notice at first.

This. 1234567

cool story bro….cool story

process execution.8014:

Achievement unlocked: Grandmaster Trolling

Tell me how exactly do u dissociate trolling from stupidity, in a text posted on a forum? Because honestly…me, as someone who lurked this forum since beta, and reading the vast amount of stupidity that has been farted by ppl’s brains here, wouldn’t surprise me if a post like this was meant to be serious in his mind.

You are just trolling, Smooth Penguin, aren’t you?

This must be a troll post. You can’t call a class OP if you don’t even know what their skills are like.

Too much spare time + no patience = threads like these

Wait a moment … the OP is actually not joking? You really already think that the Revenant is overpowered?

You really need to relax a bit.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Revenants are going to be able to use their based Weapon skills, and channel spirits that change their Heal, Utility, and Elite skills. With this idea, there’s concerns that they have more playability than any other class. If you can Weapon Swap, that allows you to have a nice variety of skills to use strategically. But if you can “Utility Bar Swap” in combat, that might give too much benefits for smart players in SPvP.

I would speculate that the utility bar abilities while channelling will have a shared cooldown with the base abilities, or at the very least with other channelling versions of those abilities. So you can’t heal, channel legend 1, heal, channel legend 2, heal, for example (assuming it is possible to channel more than one legendary at a time), instead you could use heal (20 second cooldown) channel to legend 1, wait until the 20 second cooldown is up, then heal (15 second cooldown), channel legend 2 or drop back to base revenant and, have to wait until the 15 second cooldown is up before you can use your heal. So you would have a cooldown on your ability and that cooldown would also lockout any other ability in that slot for that time, regardless of channelling.

That would seem to be OK to me. That or the channelled versions will have to be weak as hell.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

I hope the SPvP Devs keep this in mind when they have their brainstorming meetings. I’m going to LOVE trying out this new class, but I hope there’s some balance as I don’t get ROLFstomp’d in matches.

I’m quite confident that they’ve considered the need to balance the class. I’m sure it came up once or twice. :P

Let’s wait and see if it is a real problem when the beta arrives.

This is the dumbest post in here, really it is. It should be locked.

Why, just why?
Why are people complaining about sth we just know the name of and have just a very basic idea of what the class can do, without any knowledge of how exactly done, what skills used etc.
I think devs take you “concern” into their thoughts even without you complaining because, you know, that’s their job.
Maybe the new class is a bit OP (although I doubt it is going to be the case), which would be normal but is fixed within a month.
So please, stop that non-sense

Oh for the love of god, the Revenant isn’t even PLAYABLE YET!
throws something at nearby display case in disgust

Because glyph eles are really wrecking spvp

Smooth Penguin.5294:

BrunoBRS.5178:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Rangers are OP.

ok, that’s the confirmation i needed that you were trolling.

If you played SPvP or WvW, you’d see that Rangers are one of the most dangerous classes out there. Longbow your HP down, and when you get close, Greatsword swap, and it’s over.

Now please, enough with the trolling. I made a serious thread in the hopes that Devs consider Player vs Player gameplay, in addition to PvE balancing.

lol
after that that you said that you ’ve seen and a dead weight in spvp never want you by my side , rangers are not there op op class but there is bad players, and apparently you are one.
rangers = 111111111111111111 swap 11,111,111,111,111 swap again 1111111111111111
there several techniques to bring down a ranger and apparently you do not know any lol you are very funny rangers op lol

emikochan.8504:

Because glyph eles are really wrecking spvp

Why does everyone think it works like glyph’s? #GlyphsAreLame

Of course right now they’re going to make the Revenant SEEM overpowered, but that’s just part of their marketing strategy. Of course they want us to think the Revenant is OP, because that will drive people to buy the expansion pack!

For those who are Super Smash Bros fans, I bet you guys remember how incredibly overpowered Megaman looked in the Smash Bros 4 announcement trailer. But now that SSB4 has been out for a while, can anyone honestly say Megaman is overpowered? No, I don’t think so.

So don’t worry, the Revenant won’t be OP.

LucosTheDutch.4819:

Of course right now they’re going to make the Revenant SEEM overpowered, but that’s just part of their marketing strategy. Of course they want us to think the Revenant is OP, because that will drive people to buy the expansion pack!

For those who are Super Smash Bros fans, I bet you guys remember how incredibly overpowered Megaman looked in the Smash Bros 4 announcement trailer. But now that SSB4 has been out for a while, can anyone honestly say Megaman is overpowered? No, I don’t think so.

So don’t worry, the Revenant won’t be OP.

^

How about the trailers for Guild Wars 2 before it came out, where chars were killing 5 or 6 mobs with one AOE or Jotun with one spell. Granted a fully traited level 80 can do that in the starter zone, but it’s not quite the same.