Guild Wars 2

Jongi.7612:

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi, really I can’t help thinking you just are trolling ‘cos you don’t stop repeating same arguments again and again. lol

What do you expect me to do when people keep repeating the same things over and over again? Its called staying on topic. Do you expect me to talk about pink unicorns and gumdrop enemies or something?

Problem is your arguments are WRONG and instead of trying to understand, you keep spitting the same crap over and over. If we WERE entitled, MMO sites wouldn’t be reporting these news.

You’re either a troll or completely and utterly dumb to not even try to understand and just label it as “entitlement”. Now you’re even dumb enough to say that we should simply sacrifice our accounts and make a new one.

TheBlackLeech.9360:

Its not a matter of entitlement…. Its a matter of being deceitful to your fans and playerbase…. especially those who continue to support the game.

There is no expansion for Guild Wars 2, yet.

The “betas” we have experienced are nothing more than the next episode of the living story.

This preorder nonsense is to fund production of the expansion that hasn’t even come into existence.

Anet needs resources to actually make this expansion… and they want you to pay for what is “behind the curtain” when there isn’t even anything behind the curtain yet besides a mockup.

They need money to even put something behind the curtain…. hence the preorder with barely any information and little details.

Buying a HoT preorder is basically the same as funding a kickstarter to make the expansion happen.

Why not be up front about what they are doing?

They would rather lie to our faces about it so they can get more money.

Then don’t preorder. Simple.

Ephemiel.5694:

You’re either a troll or completely and utterly dumb to not even try to understand and just label it as “entitlement”. Now you’re even dumb enough to say that we should simply sacrifice our accounts and make a new one.

Don’t tell him over and over that he’s wrong. Show him why he’s wrong. Preferably with good arguments. Just telling him he’s wrong doesn’t make him wrong.

BrotherBelial.3094:

Jongi.7612:

Alienz.4593:

@ Jongi, As a vet,I could use that second account actually. Personnaly I’m not filled on chars slots, so I can manage without one, but I know many ppl that filled all their slots long ago, what about them?

Buy some character slot upgrades? Use gold for it, you know play the game if they dont want to dish out real life money.

I have not read one point on this thread from you that holds any water at all, not one.

The rev is a selling point for the game, there for you should not have to potentially spend more money to play one.

You dont have to, did you not just read that post. Unless you equate in game gold to actually money then theres nothing I can tell you at that point. But if you dont then just go play the game, get some gold and expand your roster. It seems like you just being difficult and lazy at this point in time.

Jongi.7612:

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi, really I can’t help thinking you just are trolling ‘cos you don’t stop repeating same arguments again and again. lol

What do you expect me to do when people keep repeating the same things over and over again? Its called staying on topic. Do you expect me to talk about pink unicorns and gumdrop enemies or something?

‘Cos you’re not getting the point at all, this is why people stay on topic. You just got a minimal portion and you make it grow for having some point to attack, but it’s useless to make you understand it.

Jongi.7612:

You arent paying for the same thing again. The expansion itself is $50.

Who did pay for core game included then? Santa Claus?

Straylight.7529:

No, you’re paying for HoT. The core game is free for new players which shouldn’t concern you.

The core game isn’t free for new players either because new players cannot go, spend $0 and buy it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_free_lunch

Jongi.7612:

choovanski.5462:

Jongi.7612:

choovanski.5462:

Jongi.7612:

Ricky.4706:

lol, this topic is so big beyond just the basic price tag, it should be coined #hotgate heh!!

the idea that people think people should not feel entitled to get what they pay for is seriously fascinating. forget the game, i want to understand how people have come to accept this, it may help understand why the world is such a mess today.

Alright, lets all get on the same page then. What do you think you should be getting when you buy HoT?

separate cd-keys for HoT and the ‘free’ gw2 would be nice

How about a list? If you want that just make a new account and buy HoT, you get exactly what your asking for.

if you buy Hot you get one key that you can use to upgrade an account, or to create an account with HoT + new gw2. I would like to upgrade my existing account and use the ‘free’ account to play EU pvp. currently I can’t.

That really isnt a list of issues. The issue you have could be something as easy as linking the regions together where you can choose where you want to play. You want to play on EU you just open up a slider say you want to play on EU and wala.

nope, I think the issue I have I the one I wrote down. I never mentioned region linking, all I’m asking for is separate cd-keys for HoT and the free gw2 account I would have also purchased.

Cambeleg.7632:

‘Cos you’re not getting the point at all, this is why people stay on topic. You just got a minimal portion and you make it grow for having some point to attack, but it’s useless to make you understand it.

He actually seems to understand it well. That’s why there are key questions he is very careful not to answer.

stof.9341:

Straylight.7529:

No, you’re paying for HoT. The core game is free for new players which shouldn’t concern you.

The core game isn’t free for new players either because new players cannot go, spend $0 and buy it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_ain't_no_such_thing_as_a_free_lunch

It’s free it they buy HoT. What else do you want? It’s a good deal.
Arenanet doesn’t need go give an option for GW2 core game only if you already get Coregame + HoT for 50$.

I don’t think you can really play the “entitlement” card here since even many MMO sites are reporting the news and are also highlighting how vets are receiving a worse deal for the pre-purchase, suggesting Anet to sweeten the dail and make the 2 options equal.

Straylight.7529:

It’s free it they buy HoT. What else do you want? It’s a good deal.

So, to have it “free” they have to pay. Great logic.

Ephemiel.5694:

Jongi.7612:

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi, really I can’t help thinking you just are trolling ‘cos you don’t stop repeating same arguments again and again. lol

What do you expect me to do when people keep repeating the same things over and over again? Its called staying on topic. Do you expect me to talk about pink unicorns and gumdrop enemies or something?

Problem is your arguments are WRONG and instead of trying to understand, you keep spitting the same crap over and over. If we WERE entitled, MMO sites wouldn’t be reporting these news.

You’re either a troll or completely and utterly dumb to not even try to understand and just label it as “entitlement”. Now you’re even dumb enough to say that we should simply sacrifice our accounts and make a new one.

From what I have heard for 4 pages, its entitlement. If you are actually talking about my original post. If not then instead of getting kitteny at the response actually take the time to explain yourself fully.

And your not sacrificing anything, your not giving up your existing account to get a new account. Thats what a sacrifice would be. What people have been saying is they want the core game as well as HoT like the other people, they can get it, just act like your a new player. In the end you will have MORE than what they have. I just KNEW someone was going to bring it up that they want their cake and eat it to. They want HoT on their existing account and a free account to who knows what they would do with it. Give it to their friend? And when they want HoT what are you going to do with that core game, and it just keeps on going on in a circle. Its just easier to say “new players get the core game with their purchase”.

Astralporing.1957:

Straylight.7529:

It’s free it they buy HoT. What else do you want? It’s a good deal.

So, to have it “free” they have to pay. Great logic.

Like I said: it’s not necessary to give an option just for the Core game if you already get Core+ expansion for $50. You pay 50$ and get the expansion. If you don’t have the core game yet you get it for free.The core game itself is free for new players. If you don’t see that, I can’t help you.

Astralporing.1957:

Cambeleg.7632:

‘Cos you’re not getting the point at all, this is why people stay on topic. You just got a minimal portion and you make it grow for having some point to attack, but it’s useless to make you understand it.

He actually seems to understand it well. That’s why there are key questions he is very careful not to answer.

I’ll re-phrase it, ’cos my irony seems to not be so clear.

‘Cos you got the point even before opening this thread, but you try to pretend you don’t. So, you just get a minimal portion and make it grow for having some point to attack.

Better now, Astral? ;-)

Arkblue.6129:

I don’t think you can really play the “entitlement” card here since even many MMO sites are reporting the news and are also highlighting how vets are receiving a worse deal for the pre-purchase, suggesting Anet to sweeten the dail and make the 2 options equal.

Explain how they are getting a worse deal. Did you forget that the Vets got to play for 3 years, they got free level 20 character boosts and so on? Did these MMO sites report on that or are they just looking at it as “new players get something vet players dont so then its unfair”?

It isn’t entitlement, Jongi.

New players are getting everything guild wars 2 has to offer plus a new map, a 9th profession and features for $50.

Old players are getting a new map, a 9th profession and features for $50.

If you can’t see why people are kittened off, that’s your fault.

yolo swaggins.2570:

It isn’t entitlement, Jongi.

New players are getting everything guild wars 2 has to offer plus a new map, a 9th profession and features for $50.

Old players are getting a new map, a 9th profession and features for $50.

If you can’t see why people are kittened off, that’s your fault.

Why do you care what new players get? It shouldn’t concern you since you’re not a new player. Look at what you get without looking what everyone else gets and make the decision whether it’s worth $50 or not. (which is not possible yet since we haven’t seen everything it has to offer yet).

Jongi.7612:

Arkblue.6129:

I don’t think you can really play the “entitlement” card here since even many MMO sites are reporting the news and are also highlighting how vets are receiving a worse deal for the pre-purchase, suggesting Anet to sweeten the dail and make the 2 options equal.

Explain how they are getting a worse deal. Did you forget that the Vets got to play for 3 years, they got free level 20 character boosts and so on? Did these MMO sites report on that or are they just looking at it as “new players get something vet players dont so then its unfair”?

Oh oh oh, please please, can I? -raises hand up-

1. To play for 3 years don’t give you less rights.

2. “They got free level 20 character boosts” > Same they will get once they play year after year.

3. Read the sites and you’ll know it.

choovanski.5462:

Jongi.7612:

choovanski.5462:

Jongi.7612:

choovanski.5462:

Jongi.7612:

Ricky.4706:

lol, this topic is so big beyond just the basic price tag, it should be coined #hotgate heh!!

the idea that people think people should not feel entitled to get what they pay for is seriously fascinating. forget the game, i want to understand how people have come to accept this, it may help understand why the world is such a mess today.

Alright, lets all get on the same page then. What do you think you should be getting when you buy HoT?

separate cd-keys for HoT and the ‘free’ gw2 would be nice

How about a list? If you want that just make a new account and buy HoT, you get exactly what your asking for.

if you buy Hot you get one key that you can use to upgrade an account, or to create an account with HoT + new gw2. I would like to upgrade my existing account and use the ‘free’ account to play EU pvp. currently I can’t.

That really isnt a list of issues. The issue you have could be something as easy as linking the regions together where you can choose where you want to play. You want to play on EU you just open up a slider say you want to play on EU and wala.

nope, I think the issue I have I the one I wrote down. I never mentioned region linking, all I’m asking for is separate cd-keys for HoT and the free gw2 account I would have also purchased.

You did mention you wanted to play on EU though right? Thats why I mentioned region linking. Its a solution to your problem.

Straylight.7529:

The core game itself is free for new players.

No, it is not. If a new player wants to buy a core game, the only option (as per Anet’s pricing) is to shell out $50 or more. If you have to pay money to get something, it isn’t free.

Jongi.7612:

BrotherBelial.3094:

Jongi.7612:

Alienz.4593:

@ Jongi, As a vet,I could use that second account actually. Personnaly I’m not filled on chars slots, so I can manage without one, but I know many ppl that filled all their slots long ago, what about them?

Buy some character slot upgrades? Use gold for it, you know play the game if they dont want to dish out real life money.

I have not read one point on this thread from you that holds any water at all, not one.

The rev is a selling point for the game, there for you should not have to potentially spend more money to play one.

You dont have to, did you not just read that post. Unless you equate in game gold to actually money then theres nothing I can tell you at that point. But if you dont then just go play the game, get some gold and expand your roster. It seems like you just being difficult and lazy at this point in time.

That’s why I said potentially. Not you have to. That the potential is there, and that’s what any company wants, the potential to add to a sale. even when you go to buy HoT, it try’s to get you to buy the Ultimate telling you its the better deal.

The short of it is, there is the potential of kitten sale becoming $60. That’s what ANet wants as a company.

And if anyone is being difficult and lazy it’s you. As you seem unable to understand what people are saying, or you are just being a Troll.

Straylight.7529:

It’s free it they buy HoT. What else do you want? It’s a good deal.
Arenanet doesn’t need go give an option for GW2 core game only if you already get Coregame + HoT for 50$.

No such thing as a free lunch : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_free_lunch

Instead of aping ANet when they “say” the core game is free, you should try reading that wikipedia article and enlighten yourself a little.

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi.7612:

Arkblue.6129:

I don’t think you can really play the “entitlement” card here since even many MMO sites are reporting the news and are also highlighting how vets are receiving a worse deal for the pre-purchase, suggesting Anet to sweeten the dail and make the 2 options equal.

Explain how they are getting a worse deal. Did you forget that the Vets got to play for 3 years, they got free level 20 character boosts and so on? Did these MMO sites report on that or are they just looking at it as “new players get something vet players dont so then its unfair”?

Oh oh oh, please please, can I? raises hand up

1. To play for 3 years don’t give you less rights.

2. “They got free level 20 character boosts” > Same they will get once they play year after year.

3. Read the sites and you’ll know it.

To play for 3 years doesnt give you more either. And the vets will get those boosts on top of the ones they already got which isnt equal. If I got 5 boots overall and a new player only gets 2 then that isnt equal right?

Straylight.7529:

yolo swaggins.2570:

It isn’t entitlement, Jongi.

New players are getting everything guild wars 2 has to offer plus a new map, a 9th profession and features for $50.

Old players are getting a new map, a 9th profession and features for $50.

If you can’t see why people are kittened off, that’s your fault.

Why do you care what new players get? It shouldn’t concern you since you’re not a new player. Look at what you get without looking what everyone else gets and make the decision whether it’s worth $50 or not. (which is not possible yet since we haven’t seen everything it has to offer yet).

Because no matter what happens that gap in bought content is still going to be there?

Rai.9625:

Cambeleg.7632:

Rai.9625:

You just said you wanted to be treated the same/get the same. That’s all. And THAT you can get, new acc incl. exp.
That is what newcomers get. They don’t get an existing Acc and then the Exp…

You said the exactly same thing as me and saying I’m wrong. That is quite illogical for me. New player gets new acc, new gw2 new hot. You can too. That is all.

True is, it isn’t preferred and I can understand that.

Though you ‘demand’ or ‘wish’ to get something similar, but not the same. You want something else as a bonus, promotion, because you are a veteran, no?

I’ll explain it easier, Rai:

You have a [Banana] since two years ago. Anet comes and offers a bundle that contains an [Apple] and a [Banana] for same price that you bought your old [Banana]. You want the [Apple], but you can’t buy it without the [Banana], so you tell “good, in this case, I want the full pack”. Anet replies then: “if you already had a [Banana], you only get the [Apple]. You’ll have to save the old [Banana] and grab the new [Banana] since the [Apple] is bound”.

Now tell me, Rai: only ‘cos you already had a [Banana] since two years ago, you have less right to have a new [Banana] ’cos it’s included in the bundle? Or if you don’t get the [Banana], you’d not ask for something with equal value as compensation for this loss in the purchase?

That is not how it is: You can have more than one Account.
But I admit it sucks that the offer is not the best for me. I can decide between getting a new banana and apple… and save my old banana too, but I can only make one banana apple smoothie.
And I would prefer my ripened Banana for that, but wouldn’t get an additional banana for it. Such is the nature of promotional gifts.

It’s not a gift.
No where does it say ( Only new accounts get the base game free.) OR
As a gift we included the base game for free only for new players
ON THE BUY PAGE OR FAQ

It in fact says
Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)

This is the definition of includes.

Include-comprise or contain as part of a whole.

I don’t know why this is so hard for people to understand that regardless of whether you OWN or DO NOT OWN the base game.

50$ gets you/is supposed to get you BOTH
by the definition and wording of this sale.

Period.

Astralporing.1957:

Straylight.7529:

The core game itself is free for new players.

No, it is not. If a new player wants to buy a core game, the only option (as per Anet’s pricing) is to shell out $50 or more. If you have to pay money to get something, it isn’t free.

Of course they have to pay something. They pay for the expansion. They get the core game as a bonus for FREE. Everything is not free. The core game is FREE. Got it now?

yolo swaggins.2570:

Because no matter what happens that gap in bought content is still going to be there?

If you’d rather be a new player you can be a new player anytime you want.

Solori.6025:

Rai.9625:

Cambeleg.7632:

Rai.9625:

You just said you wanted to be treated the same/get the same. That’s all. And THAT you can get, new acc incl. exp.
That is what newcomers get. They don’t get an existing Acc and then the Exp…

You said the exactly same thing as me and saying I’m wrong. That is quite illogical for me. New player gets new acc, new gw2 new hot. You can too. That is all.

True is, it isn’t preferred and I can understand that.

Though you ‘demand’ or ‘wish’ to get something similar, but not the same. You want something else as a bonus, promotion, because you are a veteran, no?

I’ll explain it easier, Rai:

You have a [Banana] since two years ago. Anet comes and offers a bundle that contains an [Apple] and a [Banana] for same price that you bought your old [Banana]. You want the [Apple], but you can’t buy it without the [Banana], so you tell “good, in this case, I want the full pack”. Anet replies then: “if you already had a [Banana], you only get the [Apple]. You’ll have to save the old [Banana] and grab the new [Banana] since the [Apple] is bound”.

Now tell me, Rai: only ‘cos you already had a [Banana] since two years ago, you have less right to have a new [Banana] ’cos it’s included in the bundle? Or if you don’t get the [Banana], you’d not ask for something with equal value as compensation for this loss in the purchase?

That is not how it is: You can have more than one Account.
But I admit it sucks that the offer is not the best for me. I can decide between getting a new banana and apple… and save my old banana too, but I can only make one banana apple smoothie.
And I would prefer my ripened Banana for that, but wouldn’t get an additional banana for it. Such is the nature of promotional gifts.

It’s not a gift.
No where does it say ( Only new accounts get the base game free.) OR
As a gift we included the base game for free only for new players
ON THE BUY PAGE OR FAQ

It in fact says
Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)

This is the definition of includes.

Include-comprise or contain as part of a whole.

I don’t know why this is so hard for people to understand that regardless of whether you OWN or DO NOT OWN the base game.

50$ gets you/is supposed to get you BOTH
by the definition and wording of this sale.

Period.

So that means that those who already have the game are buying it again? Awesome.

Jongi.7612:

choovanski.5462:

Jongi.7612:

choovanski.5462:

Jongi.7612:

choovanski.5462:

Jongi.7612:

Ricky.4706:

lol, this topic is so big beyond just the basic price tag, it should be coined #hotgate heh!!

the idea that people think people should not feel entitled to get what they pay for is seriously fascinating. forget the game, i want to understand how people have come to accept this, it may help understand why the world is such a mess today.

Alright, lets all get on the same page then. What do you think you should be getting when you buy HoT?

separate cd-keys for HoT and the ‘free’ gw2 would be nice

How about a list? If you want that just make a new account and buy HoT, you get exactly what your asking for.

if you buy Hot you get one key that you can use to upgrade an account, or to create an account with HoT + new gw2. I would like to upgrade my existing account and use the ‘free’ account to play EU pvp. currently I can’t.

That really isnt a list of issues. The issue you have could be something as easy as linking the regions together where you can choose where you want to play. You want to play on EU you just open up a slider say you want to play on EU and wala.

nope, I think the issue I have I the one I wrote down. I never mentioned region linking, all I’m asking for is separate cd-keys for HoT and the free gw2 account I would have also purchased.

You did mention you wanted to play on EU though right? Thats why I mentioned region linking. Its a solution to your problem.

I mentioned I wanted to use the second account I am forced to buy to play on EU. regardless, your proposed ‘solution’ of region linking is not going to be implemented by anet so it doesn’t even solve the problem (which is I want separate cd keys so I can upgrade without deleting my new gw2 account) because it won’t happen.

BrotherBelial.3094:

Jongi.7612:

BrotherBelial.3094:

Jongi.7612:

Alienz.4593:

@ Jongi, As a vet,I could use that second account actually. Personnaly I’m not filled on chars slots, so I can manage without one, but I know many ppl that filled all their slots long ago, what about them?

Buy some character slot upgrades? Use gold for it, you know play the game if they dont want to dish out real life money.

I have not read one point on this thread from you that holds any water at all, not one.

The rev is a selling point for the game, there for you should not have to potentially spend more money to play one.

You dont have to, did you not just read that post. Unless you equate in game gold to actually money then theres nothing I can tell you at that point. But if you dont then just go play the game, get some gold and expand your roster. It seems like you just being difficult and lazy at this point in time.

That’s why I said potentially. Not you have to. That the potential is there, and that’s what any company wants, the potential to add to a sale. even when you go to buy HoT, it try’s to get you to buy the Ultimate telling you its the better deal.

The short of it is, there is the potential of kitten sale becoming $60. That’s what ANet wants as a company.

And if anyone is being difficult and lazy it’s you. As you seem unable to understand what people are saying, or you are just being a Troll.

Learn what a troll is. If you think im a troll why did you bite in the first place if im just trying to get attention and start stuff. I completely understand what people are saying, and if im actually not then why not take the time to explain it? More laziness on your part maybe?

choovanski.5462:

Jongi.7612:

choovanski.5462:

Jongi.7612:

choovanski.5462:

Jongi.7612:

choovanski.5462:

Jongi.7612:

Ricky.4706:

lol, this topic is so big beyond just the basic price tag, it should be coined #hotgate heh!!

the idea that people think people should not feel entitled to get what they pay for is seriously fascinating. forget the game, i want to understand how people have come to accept this, it may help understand why the world is such a mess today.

Alright, lets all get on the same page then. What do you think you should be getting when you buy HoT?

separate cd-keys for HoT and the ‘free’ gw2 would be nice

How about a list? If you want that just make a new account and buy HoT, you get exactly what your asking for.

if you buy Hot you get one key that you can use to upgrade an account, or to create an account with HoT + new gw2. I would like to upgrade my existing account and use the ‘free’ account to play EU pvp. currently I can’t.

That really isnt a list of issues. The issue you have could be something as easy as linking the regions together where you can choose where you want to play. You want to play on EU you just open up a slider say you want to play on EU and wala.

nope, I think the issue I have I the one I wrote down. I never mentioned region linking, all I’m asking for is separate cd-keys for HoT and the free gw2 account I would have also purchased.

You did mention you wanted to play on EU though right? Thats why I mentioned region linking. Its a solution to your problem.

I mentioned I wanted to use the second account I am forced to buy to play on EU. regardless, your proposed ‘solution’ of region linking is not going to be implemented by anet so it doesn’t even solve the problem (which is I want separate cd keys so I can upgrade without deleting my new gw2 account) because it won’t happen.

Your not buying another account though. Your just paying for HoT.

Straylight.7529:

Astralporing.1957:

Straylight.7529:

The core game itself is free for new players.

No, it is not. If a new player wants to buy a core game, the only option (as per Anet’s pricing) is to shell out $50 or more. If you have to pay money to get something, it isn’t free.

Of course they have to pay something. They pay for the expansion. They get the core game as a bonus for FREE. Everything is not free. The core game is FREE. Got it now?

yolo swaggins.2570:

Because no matter what happens that gap in bought content is still going to be there?

If you’d rather be a new player you can be a new player anytime you want.

No it isn’t
It’s a bundle.

Go find the definition of Include.

Jongi.7612:

To play for 3 years doesnt give you more either. And the vets will get those boosts on top of the ones they already got which isnt equal. If I got 5 boots overall and a new player only gets 2 then that isnt equal right?

More? Of course not. Same? Yes. And to use as argument ‘the vets will get the boosts on top of the ones’ is ridiculous. Vets get these 5 boosts after playing 5 years with one character, or 1 years with 5 characters. A new player will have same after doing same, so… maybe you didn’t play enough GW2 for knowing this? ;-)

yolo swaggins.2570:

Solori.6025:

Rai.9625:

Cambeleg.7632:

Rai.9625:

You just said you wanted to be treated the same/get the same. That’s all. And THAT you can get, new acc incl. exp.
That is what newcomers get. They don’t get an existing Acc and then the Exp…

You said the exactly same thing as me and saying I’m wrong. That is quite illogical for me. New player gets new acc, new gw2 new hot. You can too. That is all.

True is, it isn’t preferred and I can understand that.

Though you ‘demand’ or ‘wish’ to get something similar, but not the same. You want something else as a bonus, promotion, because you are a veteran, no?

I’ll explain it easier, Rai:

You have a [Banana] since two years ago. Anet comes and offers a bundle that contains an [Apple] and a [Banana] for same price that you bought your old [Banana]. You want the [Apple], but you can’t buy it without the [Banana], so you tell “good, in this case, I want the full pack”. Anet replies then: “if you already had a [Banana], you only get the [Apple]. You’ll have to save the old [Banana] and grab the new [Banana] since the [Apple] is bound”.

Now tell me, Rai: only ‘cos you already had a [Banana] since two years ago, you have less right to have a new [Banana] ’cos it’s included in the bundle? Or if you don’t get the [Banana], you’d not ask for something with equal value as compensation for this loss in the purchase?

That is not how it is: You can have more than one Account.
But I admit it sucks that the offer is not the best for me. I can decide between getting a new banana and apple… and save my old banana too, but I can only make one banana apple smoothie.
And I would prefer my ripened Banana for that, but wouldn’t get an additional banana for it. Such is the nature of promotional gifts.

It’s not a gift.
No where does it say ( Only new accounts get the base game free.) OR
As a gift we included the base game for free only for new players
ON THE BUY PAGE OR FAQ

It in fact says
Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)

This is the definition of includes.

Include-comprise or contain as part of a whole.

I don’t know why this is so hard for people to understand that regardless of whether you OWN or DO NOT OWN the base game.

50$ gets you/is supposed to get you BOTH
by the definition and wording of this sale.

Period.

So that means that those who already have the game are buying it again? Awesome.

No, the core game is free if you buy HoT. You only pay for the expansion. If you already have HoT you can just ignore that fact. If you don’t you can rejoice.

Straylight.7529:

Of course they have to pay something. They pay for the expansion. They get the core game as a bonus for FREE. Everything is not free. The core game is FREE. Got it now?

Yes, i got it. They have to pay, so it isn’t free.

Somebody is paying for it, and it isn’t Anet.

if they made the core guild wars – free to play for everyone, then it would be a better deal so new player and vet alike get a free game, and a paid expansion for 50 dollars.

Solori.6025:

Rai.9625:

Cambeleg.7632:

Rai.9625:

You just said you wanted to be treated the same/get the same. That’s all. And THAT you can get, new acc incl. exp.
That is what newcomers get. They don’t get an existing Acc and then the Exp…

You said the exactly same thing as me and saying I’m wrong. That is quite illogical for me. New player gets new acc, new gw2 new hot. You can too. That is all.

True is, it isn’t preferred and I can understand that.

Though you ‘demand’ or ‘wish’ to get something similar, but not the same. You want something else as a bonus, promotion, because you are a veteran, no?

I’ll explain it easier, Rai:

You have a [Banana] since two years ago. Anet comes and offers a bundle that contains an [Apple] and a [Banana] for same price that you bought your old [Banana]. You want the [Apple], but you can’t buy it without the [Banana], so you tell “good, in this case, I want the full pack”. Anet replies then: “if you already had a [Banana], you only get the [Apple]. You’ll have to save the old [Banana] and grab the new [Banana] since the [Apple] is bound”.

Now tell me, Rai: only ‘cos you already had a [Banana] since two years ago, you have less right to have a new [Banana] ’cos it’s included in the bundle? Or if you don’t get the [Banana], you’d not ask for something with equal value as compensation for this loss in the purchase?

That is not how it is: You can have more than one Account.
But I admit it sucks that the offer is not the best for me. I can decide between getting a new banana and apple… and save my old banana too, but I can only make one banana apple smoothie.
And I would prefer my ripened Banana for that, but wouldn’t get an additional banana for it. Such is the nature of promotional gifts.

It’s not a gift.
No where does it say ( Only new accounts get the base game free.) OR
As a gift we included the base game for free only for new players
ON THE BUY PAGE OR FAQ

It in fact says
Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)

This is the definition of includes.

Include-comprise or contain as part of a whole.

I don’t know why this is so hard for people to understand that regardless of whether you OWN or DO NOT OWN the base game.

50$ gets you/is supposed to get you BOTH
by the definition and wording of this sale.

Period.

Actually ANet did say that only new players get it if you read their forum post on the matter. Thats why earlier I said its a misunderstanding and that if they fixed the information under the package deals when you go to buy HoT what you just said would of never of came up.

Jongi.7612:

BrotherBelial.3094:

Jongi.7612:

BrotherBelial.3094:

Jongi.7612:

Alienz.4593:

@ Jongi, As a vet,I could use that second account actually. Personnaly I’m not filled on chars slots, so I can manage without one, but I know many ppl that filled all their slots long ago, what about them?

Buy some character slot upgrades? Use gold for it, you know play the game if they dont want to dish out real life money.

I have not read one point on this thread from you that holds any water at all, not one.

The rev is a selling point for the game, there for you should not have to potentially spend more money to play one.

You dont have to, did you not just read that post. Unless you equate in game gold to actually money then theres nothing I can tell you at that point. But if you dont then just go play the game, get some gold and expand your roster. It seems like you just being difficult and lazy at this point in time.

That’s why I said potentially. Not you have to. That the potential is there, and that’s what any company wants, the potential to add to a sale. even when you go to buy HoT, it try’s to get you to buy the Ultimate telling you its the better deal.

The short of it is, there is the potential of kitten sale becoming $60. That’s what ANet wants as a company.

And if anyone is being difficult and lazy it’s you. As you seem unable to understand what people are saying, or you are just being a Troll.

Learn what a troll is. If you think im a troll why did you bite in the first place if im just trying to get attention and start stuff. I completely understand what people are saying, and if im actually not then why not take the time to explain it? More laziness on your part maybe?

You truly have no idea what you are talking about do you. Again I said Or, not you are. You appear to have zero reading comprehension, OR English is not your first language, and that’s why things are falling through the cracks.

Ricky.4706:

if they made the core guild wars – free to play for everyone, then it would be a better deal so new player and vet alike get a free game, and a paid expansion for 50 dollars.

You can already do this. Just buy HoT under a new account.

Jongi.7612:

Learn what a troll is. If you think im a troll why did you bite in the first place if im just trying to get attention and start stuff. I completely understand what people are saying, and if im actually not then why not take the time to explain it? More laziness on your part maybe?

You only need to read the big, big thread where started all. Or search it in Reddit. So easy… or more laziness on your part maybe? ;-)

Jongi.7612:

Arkblue.6129:

I don’t think you can really play the “entitlement” card here since even many MMO sites are reporting the news and are also highlighting how vets are receiving a worse deal for the pre-purchase, suggesting Anet to sweeten the dail and make the 2 options equal.

Explain how they are getting a worse deal. Did you forget that the Vets got to play for 3 years, they got free level 20 character boosts and so on? Did these MMO sites report on that or are they just looking at it as “new players get something vet players dont so then its unfair”?

Why don’t you explain how they are getting a good deal to pc gamer, pc nation, eurogamer and so on?

Jongi.7612:

choovanski.5462:

Jongi.7612:

choovanski.5462:

Jongi.7612:

choovanski.5462:

Jongi.7612:

choovanski.5462:

Jongi.7612:

Ricky.4706:

lol, this topic is so big beyond just the basic price tag, it should be coined #hotgate heh!!

the idea that people think people should not feel entitled to get what they pay for is seriously fascinating. forget the game, i want to understand how people have come to accept this, it may help understand why the world is such a mess today.

Alright, lets all get on the same page then. What do you think you should be getting when you buy HoT?

separate cd-keys for HoT and the ‘free’ gw2 would be nice

How about a list? If you want that just make a new account and buy HoT, you get exactly what your asking for.

if you buy Hot you get one key that you can use to upgrade an account, or to create an account with HoT + new gw2. I would like to upgrade my existing account and use the ‘free’ account to play EU pvp. currently I can’t.

That really isnt a list of issues. The issue you have could be something as easy as linking the regions together where you can choose where you want to play. You want to play on EU you just open up a slider say you want to play on EU and wala.

nope, I think the issue I have I the one I wrote down. I never mentioned region linking, all I’m asking for is separate cd-keys for HoT and the free gw2 account I would have also purchased.

You did mention you wanted to play on EU though right? Thats why I mentioned region linking. Its a solution to your problem.

I mentioned I wanted to use the second account I am forced to buy to play on EU. regardless, your proposed ‘solution’ of region linking is not going to be implemented by anet so it doesn’t even solve the problem (which is I want separate cd keys so I can upgrade without deleting my new gw2 account) because it won’t happen.

Your not buying another account though. Your just paying for HoT.

considering HoT is bundled with a new account and you pay for it I think I am

Just to clarify… less rights?

With games sad as it is… you don’t have many rights. xD wrong words again.

Sorry that I do that, working in a communication heavy branch does that to people.

For the whole discussion it boils down to:
For the money: is it worth in your opinion.
If no you will say why (for example hell, they get more value than me, thats a principle thing and hard to argue, or not enough content yet for that money, i would consider if yxz was included)

You are all trying to argue about… taste and preferences, about principles. That will in no way get you anywhere and defeats the purpose of what you really want:

You want to give Anet a message: Not enough for my money (for different reasons), so that they can see that opinion

You are diluting what you want to get across with hasty words which will most likely give the wrong impression.

For example: Cambeleg just says: for 50 bucks I want (out of principle) the same value as newcomers. So either a price reduction or another promo gift would push me over the edge to prepurchase/order whatever.

Nothing wrong with that, no?

Another player said:
For 50bucks… the content shown so far seems way to less for me to consider it worth it. Maybe show alot more maps, say a number of new instances etc. And I will consider buying/prepurchase/order it for the money.

again, nothing wrong there

Astralporing.1957:

Straylight.7529:

Of course they have to pay something. They pay for the expansion. They get the core game as a bonus for FREE. Everything is not free. The core game is FREE. Got it now?

Yes, i got it. They have to pay, so it isn’t free.

Somebody is paying for it, and it isn’t Anet.

I mean just think about it for a second. It’s not that hard to grasp. If you’re a new player and you would have to pay 70$ for the core game and another 50$ for HoT then the core game wouldn’t be free. But since new players only have to pay 50$ (the price of HoT) that means the core game is free.

BrotherBelial.3094:

Jongi.7612:

BrotherBelial.3094:

Jongi.7612:

BrotherBelial.3094:

Jongi.7612:

Alienz.4593:

@ Jongi, As a vet,I could use that second account actually. Personnaly I’m not filled on chars slots, so I can manage without one, but I know many ppl that filled all their slots long ago, what about them?

Buy some character slot upgrades? Use gold for it, you know play the game if they dont want to dish out real life money.

I have not read one point on this thread from you that holds any water at all, not one.

The rev is a selling point for the game, there for you should not have to potentially spend more money to play one.

You dont have to, did you not just read that post. Unless you equate in game gold to actually money then theres nothing I can tell you at that point. But if you dont then just go play the game, get some gold and expand your roster. It seems like you just being difficult and lazy at this point in time.

That’s why I said potentially. Not you have to. That the potential is there, and that’s what any company wants, the potential to add to a sale. even when you go to buy HoT, it try’s to get you to buy the Ultimate telling you its the better deal.

The short of it is, there is the potential of kitten sale becoming $60. That’s what ANet wants as a company.

And if anyone is being difficult and lazy it’s you. As you seem unable to understand what people are saying, or you are just being a Troll.

Learn what a troll is. If you think im a troll why did you bite in the first place if im just trying to get attention and start stuff. I completely understand what people are saying, and if im actually not then why not take the time to explain it? More laziness on your part maybe?

You truly have no idea what you are talking about do you. Again I said Or, not you are. You appear to have zero reading comprehension, OR English is not your first language, and that’s why things are falling through the cracks.

Actually I have an acute form of dislexia and the forums are a little too fast for me to keep up. Sometimes I dont see certain words, but it still doesnt excuse the fact that a lot of what people are saying are just backwards and they dont understand that when you dish out $50 for HoT, that is exactly what your paying for, ANet is just making it so new players can get into the game with everyone else. They wont experience the same things that Vet players already experience so there really isnt an issue other than people wanting their cake and eat it to.

Rai.9625:

Just to clarify… less rights?

When someone mention ‘rights’ is refered as customer ones, of course. Just to clarify. ^^

Jongi.7612:

Solori.6025:

Rai.9625:

Cambeleg.7632:

Rai.9625:

You just said you wanted to be treated the same/get the same. That’s all. And THAT you can get, new acc incl. exp.
That is what newcomers get. They don’t get an existing Acc and then the Exp…

You said the exactly same thing as me and saying I’m wrong. That is quite illogical for me. New player gets new acc, new gw2 new hot. You can too. That is all.

True is, it isn’t preferred and I can understand that.

Though you ‘demand’ or ‘wish’ to get something similar, but not the same. You want something else as a bonus, promotion, because you are a veteran, no?

I’ll explain it easier, Rai:

You have a [Banana] since two years ago. Anet comes and offers a bundle that contains an [Apple] and a [Banana] for same price that you bought your old [Banana]. You want the [Apple], but you can’t buy it without the [Banana], so you tell “good, in this case, I want the full pack”. Anet replies then: “if you already had a [Banana], you only get the [Apple]. You’ll have to save the old [Banana] and grab the new [Banana] since the [Apple] is bound”.

Now tell me, Rai: only ‘cos you already had a [Banana] since two years ago, you have less right to have a new [Banana] ’cos it’s included in the bundle? Or if you don’t get the [Banana], you’d not ask for something with equal value as compensation for this loss in the purchase?

That is not how it is: You can have more than one Account.
But I admit it sucks that the offer is not the best for me. I can decide between getting a new banana and apple… and save my old banana too, but I can only make one banana apple smoothie.
And I would prefer my ripened Banana for that, but wouldn’t get an additional banana for it. Such is the nature of promotional gifts.

It’s not a gift.
No where does it say ( Only new accounts get the base game free.) OR
As a gift we included the base game for free only for new players
ON THE BUY PAGE OR FAQ

It in fact says
Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)

This is the definition of includes.

Include-comprise or contain as part of a whole.

I don’t know why this is so hard for people to understand that regardless of whether you OWN or DO NOT OWN the base game.

50$ gets you/is supposed to get you BOTH
by the definition and wording of this sale.

Period.

Actually ANet did say that only new players get it if you read their forum post on the matter. Thats why earlier I said its a misunderstanding and that if they fixed the information under the package deals when you go to buy HoT what you just said would of never of came up.

They have had 3-4 days now to fix it?
Like the stealth edited the FAQ a couple of days ago.

If it is intended for this not to be a bundle, they are advertising this falsely and that is a legal no no.
If they want this bundle only for new players and it’s supposed to be a gift for them, they could have AT ANY POINT edited the language to not be ambiguous or false.

But they have not.

They have no link on the buy page for any type of clarification on the matter also.

The simple fact is. They haven’t
They are still advertising this product as a bundle, and still not delivering on this bundle.

This is the issue. Something that has gone over the heads of the knights, instead of telling people to wait and see, try sending in a ticket and asking anet to change the page. Then all they will have to do is refund the people that bought this under the pretense they were getting a bundle.
The end.

Rai.9625:

Just to clarify… less rights?

With games sad as it is… you don’t have many rights. xD wrong words again.

Sorry that I do that, working in a communication heavy branch does that to people.

For the whole discussion it boils down to:
For the money: is it worth in your opinion.
If no you will say why (for example hell, they get more value than me, thats a principle thing and hard to argue, or not enough content yet for that money, i would consider if yxz was included)

You are all trying to argue about… taste and preferences, about principles. That will in no way get you anywhere and defeats the purpose of what you really want:

You want to give Anet a message: Not enough for my money (for different reasons), so that they can see that opinion

You are diluting what you want to get across with hasty words which will most likely give the wrong impression.

For example: Cambeleg just says: for 50 bucks I want (out of principle) the same value as newcomers. So either a price reduction or another promo gift would push me over the edge to prepurchase/order whatever.

Nothing wrong with that, no?

Another player said:
For 50bucks… the content shown so far seems way to less for me to consider it worth it. Maybe show alot more maps, say a number of new instances etc. And I will consider buying/prepurchase/order it for the money.

again, nothing wrong there

The thing is though, not everyone is saying that. They dont understand that when you pay for HoT thats what your getting. They however think because of a misunderstand that they should also get the core game free if they are a vet player already. They can do this if they make a new account and will end out ahead of the new players. ANet just needs to fix the wording on their product selection to say this because they already said it in the forums that new players will get the core game for free.

Existing players already got their monies worth. $60 bucks for everything that they got to experience and the free stuff that they received though they are ignoring that. They dont even bring up what they already experienced like the marionettes, scarlet battle, all the season 2 living story without having to pay 200 gems for each episode, boosts and so on. They just want it because someone else gets a free game without looking at everything.

As a veteran who started playing GW2 since the original bèta and former GW1 veteran I understand veteran’s concerns about the offered packages. I myself have already bought the expansion (so I probably got ripped off but hey at least i’ll get the content even if they don’t listen to their community)

That being said there were some pretty dirty practises implemented with this announcement. Such as the sudden change of the FAQS-page which did enrage allot of players.

Also it is true that it’s very stupid to not include a new character slot when introducing a new profession. As someone who has allot of experience in markteing I have to say I do find that quite a blunder.

If I were Arenanet I would read the voiced concerns, dicuss them with the people who reponsible inside the company and find some way to stop the storm from growing in intensity. Already sites are picking up the story so this is potencially a very VERY bad move incomewise. Allot of potential new players probably will get second thought when they read reviews about the current afairs after all everyone wants to be able to trust the producers of the MMORPG they play. That trust has been broken for allot of people, it’s up to Arenanet to fix the damage done.

I have my ideas on how they can fix it but quite possibly the damage has already been done so now its just a matter of damage control and trying to keep as many vets as possible from saying “kitten this kitten I’m never buying from arenanet again”.

I did buy the expansion, I’m happy I bought it. But I don’t judge the people who don’t and feel enraged because frankly they have very valid points. I do not see them as saying they are ‘entitled’, I see them as standing up for their rights as a customer in what is an unfair sales-practise no mather how you turn or flip it.
In some countries certain actions that were taken are even illegal so I’m afraid Arenanet is not really as innocent as one would believe. I hope they see the community’s concerns and give some sort of compensation or adjustement to their packages to soothe the community.

If I miss out on those adjustements its alright, my faulth because I already bought it but I feel it would be the most honest thing to do for those veterans who haven’t already bought it and feel cheated.

Jongi.7612:

Ricky.4706:

if they made the core guild wars – free to play for everyone, then it would be a better deal so new player and vet alike get a free game, and a paid expansion for 50 dollars.

You can already do this. Just buy HoT under a new account.

but i’d rather gift that new account or make a new vanilla account and keep the hot expansion for my main. so this is no deal for me, it’s just expensive dlc.

Solori.6025:

Jongi.7612:

Solori.6025:

Rai.9625:

Cambeleg.7632:

Rai.9625:

You just said you wanted to be treated the same/get the same. That’s all. And THAT you can get, new acc incl. exp.
That is what newcomers get. They don’t get an existing Acc and then the Exp…

You said the exactly same thing as me and saying I’m wrong. That is quite illogical for me. New player gets new acc, new gw2 new hot. You can too. That is all.

True is, it isn’t preferred and I can understand that.

Though you ‘demand’ or ‘wish’ to get something similar, but not the same. You want something else as a bonus, promotion, because you are a veteran, no?

I’ll explain it easier, Rai:

You have a [Banana] since two years ago. Anet comes and offers a bundle that contains an [Apple] and a [Banana] for same price that you bought your old [Banana]. You want the [Apple], but you can’t buy it without the [Banana], so you tell “good, in this case, I want the full pack”. Anet replies then: “if you already had a [Banana], you only get the [Apple]. You’ll have to save the old [Banana] and grab the new [Banana] since the [Apple] is bound”.

Now tell me, Rai: only ‘cos you already had a [Banana] since two years ago, you have less right to have a new [Banana] ’cos it’s included in the bundle? Or if you don’t get the [Banana], you’d not ask for something with equal value as compensation for this loss in the purchase?

That is not how it is: You can have more than one Account.
But I admit it sucks that the offer is not the best for me. I can decide between getting a new banana and apple… and save my old banana too, but I can only make one banana apple smoothie.
And I would prefer my ripened Banana for that, but wouldn’t get an additional banana for it. Such is the nature of promotional gifts.

It’s not a gift.
No where does it say ( Only new accounts get the base game free.) OR
As a gift we included the base game for free only for new players
ON THE BUY PAGE OR FAQ

It in fact says
Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns expansion(includes Guild Wars 2 core game)

This is the definition of includes.

Include-comprise or contain as part of a whole.

I don’t know why this is so hard for people to understand that regardless of whether you OWN or DO NOT OWN the base game.

50$ gets you/is supposed to get you BOTH
by the definition and wording of this sale.

Period.

Actually ANet did say that only new players get it if you read their forum post on the matter. Thats why earlier I said its a misunderstanding and that if they fixed the information under the package deals when you go to buy HoT what you just said would of never of came up.

They have had 3-4 days now to fix it?
Like the stealth edited the FAQ a couple of days ago.

If it is intended for this not to be a bundle, they are advertising this falsely and that is a legal no no.
If they want this bundle only for new players and it’s supposed to be a gift for them, they could have AT ANY POINT edited the language to not be ambiguous or false.

But they have not.

They have no link on the buy page for any type of clarification on the matter also.

The simple fact is. They haven’t
They are still advertising this product as a bundle, and still not delivering on this bundle.

This is the issue. Something that has gone over the heads of the knights, instead of telling people to wait and see, try sending in a ticket and asking anet to change the page. Then all they will have to do is refund the people that bought this under the pretense they were getting a bundle.
The end.

Well its not false advertising if the information is out there explaining what is going on now is it. Its not hidden behind thousands of posts and the information is there. I seen it before I even pre-ordered because someone asked on the forums and got an answer pretty quickly.