Guild Wars 2

Why the do you want legendary armor, if you are not willing to work for it? Getting whatever you want easily, creates a boring game.

eldrin.6471:

Its says a lot about a company when they are willing to loose a lot of customers that have thrown a lot of cash at them.

In a nutshell, raids are simply world bosses where theyve added additional requirements, such as have an optimal build and gear (which shouldnt be hard to any old 1 2 3 yr complaining vet around here), do a better rotation to do optimal dps, raids are not as forgiving as world bosses as here u need to dodge red stuff on the ground, u dont have 50+ to carry u.

Raids are a mere refined difficulty of already known content and mechanics, its a welcome change as we have been stuck with the same old difficulty for over three years! And theyre not hard or extreme once u crack the code.. heck even i beat all three bosses, and beat sabetha yday in a pug run! Because some people try to better themselves and see that simple mechanics can be overcome.

Best in slot legendary vs ascended? thats it in the nutshell and im sure lots of players would favor legendary over ascended 100%.Yes indeed the 5% who will be able to raids will be happy that they get exclusive kitten to this new best in slot armor and maybe its intended that the other 95% can buy gems to change to gold and pay to be carried.
Who knows,but at pax south Mike O’Brien gave his longstanding customers a promise that there best in slot gear would stay best in slot.It is this sort of inconsistency that
is eroding away the trust of customers/players like me.

eldrin.6471:

Best in slot legendary vs ascended? thats it in the nutshell and im sure lots of players would favor legendary over ascended 100%.Yes indeed the 5% who will be able to raids will be happy that they get exclusive kitten to this new best in slot armor and maybe its intended that the other 95% can buy gems to change to gold and pay to be carried.
Who knows,but at pax south Mike O’Brien gave his longstanding customers a promise that there best in slot gear would stay best in slot.It is this sort of inconsistency that
is eroding away the trust of customers/players like me.

No, they didn’t lie. Legendary doesn’t invalidate ascended as stat-wise they are the S-A-M-E. I repeat. S-A-M-E. Oh, you can change stats,! cool. To be really efficient you have to change runes and get trinkets as well, but ppl already told this, you just don’t care. And if you wanna know(or not, I tell you anyways), I pugged Vale Guardian today again and will do Gorseval later this week again. It’s possible and it felt awesome when we did it, I already have 2 items out of the 6 in the collections tab. If you can’t ask for help, sorry, you won’t have it. It’s just a matter of practice. But I leave you to twisting words and other “stuff”.

eldrin.6471:

Best in slot legendary vs ascended? thats it in the nutshell and im sure lots of players would favor legendary over ascended 100%.Yes indeed the 5% who will be able to raids will be happy that they get exclusive kitten to this new best in slot armor and maybe its intended that the other 95% can buy gems to change to gold and pay to be carried.
Who knows,but at pax south Mike O’Brien gave his longstanding customers a promise that there best in slot gear would stay best in slot.It is this sort of inconsistency that
is eroding away the trust of customers/players like me.

How stubborn are you that you don’t recognize that from a performance perspective, Ascended is equivalent to Legendary. The difference is purely quality of life, and even then it’s debatable as most people will actually have BETTER performance AND value simply swapping Ascended sets as needed with the correct runes/sigils/infusions.

By all means, complain about how ‘obsolete’ your work on crafting Ascended has become; it only seems more unbelievable the more I hear it or think about it. There is no trust erosion for players that simply laugh at the idea Legendary is something that makes their current Ascended gear irrelevant.

Best in slot legendary vs ascended? if the answer is not legendary why do people put so much work in to getting legendary.Now you may feel ascended is best in slot for whatever reason.And if you spend any amount of time on these forums and redit and haven’t noticed a distinct sense of dissatisfaction from the player base then your just not paying attention.player/customer satisfaction is at an all time low post hot.

People put work into it because they like the skin and special effects. It’s not a performance difference, it’s a quality of life difference. Therefore, even if there are people that PREFER some Legendary gear for that reason, etc… that still doesn’t change the fact that Ascended gear has not been made obsolete by Legendary gear and they would still have numerous reasons to consider what tier they craft for endgame content. Therefore, your whole premise is nonsense.

best in slot legendary vs ascended. what has stats got to do with what me and a lot of others think best to put in that free slot.

eldrin.6471:

best in slot legendary vs ascended. what has stats got to do with what me and a lot of others think best to put in that free slot.

facepalms

Oh my god, this guy…..I’ve lost my toucan guys. Please help me get it back.

It’s obvious you don’t know what BiS is then. You do realize when Anet talks about BiS it’s about STATS right? Because that’s what BiS is about.

Best in slot is the best thing you can put in that slot that you have available.its not rocket science.maybe you find your left shoe works great for your right foot.but people are all different and we wont/cant always agree.My point is valid and nothing you say or how often you say it changes that.

You can keep being delusional, but it doesn’t change the fact that you are wrong. Anet didn’t lie to you. There was no deception here, just a huge misunderstanding on YOUR part.

of course legendary is objectively the best in slot. It´s not even debatable.

Legendaries have the ability to switch stats on the fly which make them objectively better than ascended items. They also tend to be the best looking items in a game that is all about cosmetics (at least it used to before the ascended gear treadmill was introduced for raids)

In six months to a year legendary armor will be required for raids so that you can change stats on the fly for every raid boss. Ascended gear will become the new exotics and people will exclude you from raiding if you only have ascended gear as it is the case now with exotics and raiding.

Best in slot Legendary vs Ascended? legendary .now my opinion wont change so what is it your trying to accomplish xarallei.

There isn’t a debate what’s BiS so your whole line of logic is a fallacy. The question here is what is more efficient and what you need. Unless a player concludes they need footfalls and cool looks, there is no compelling reason to make a legendary. The more knowledgeable players will recognize the drawback to how Legendary weapons (and probably armor) is implemented in this game and for highest performance, they don’t use it for anything BUT the skin.

Obviously you know it’s in your best interests to ignore what is actually significant in this discussion but sticking with a non-sequitur is not compelling in any way.

ChrizZcE.5981:

of course legendary is objectively the best in slot. It´s not even debatable.

Legendaries have the ability to switch stats on the fly which make them objectively better than ascended items. They also tend to be the best looking items in a game that is all about cosmetics (at least it used to before the ascended gear treadmill was introduced for raids)

In six months to a year legendary armor will be required for raids so that you can change stats on the fly for every raid boss. Ascended gear will become the new exotics and people will exclude you from raiding if you only have ascended gear as it is the case now with exotics and raiding.

thank you.some one who says it like it is.

ChrizZcE.5981:

of course legendary is objectively the best in slot. It´s not even debatable.

Legendaries have the ability to switch stats on the fly which make them objectively better than ascended items. They also tend to be the best looking items in a game that is all about cosmetics (at least it used to before the ascended gear treadmill was introduced for raids)

In six months to a year legendary armor will be required for raids so that you can change stats on the fly for every raid boss. Ascended gear will become the new exotics and people will exclude you from raiding if you only have ascended gear as it is the case now with exotics and raiding.

This is so ignorant it’s not even funny. Changing stats on the fly is useless when you have to change runes. It’s far more efficient to have two set of ascended then to be constantly changing legendary. No one is ever going to require legendary for raids. Ever.

You find every thing anyone says that dont agree with you ignorant dont you xarallei?
you do understand what a forum is dont you?Its were we discus things,not were you ram your opinions down our throats or harass other members into not posting about things they feel strongly about.

Yes, it’s a place to discuss things and I have to right to say what I think. You seem like the one trying to shut me up, not the other way around.

And I only point out that something is ignorant when it IS. That statement is false. No one who raids will agree with it.

This thread is about legendary armor and you have hijacked it for your own personal agenda.please discus legendary armor and refrain from personal comments.Or the thread will be closed.

And the main issues I have with you isn’t that you want legendary armor. Fine, you want a way to get legendary armor that is not tied to raids. I can actually get behind you on that one.

But that’s not all. One, you seem to want a way to buy your way into legendary instead of actually playing the game. And two you keep accusing Anet of fraud and deception when there is no such thing. Just a misunderstanding on your part because you don’t recognize what BiS is and the way Anet defines it. Accusing Anet of fraud is outright libelous.

You would probably have far more sympathy and a better reception to your statements if you refrained from making libelous comments and just focused on asking Anet to create legendary armor tied to some non-raiding collection. You can keep making the statements you are making, it’s a forum for discussion afterall but you shouldn’t be shocked when there is push back to some of these comments. You are going to get responses and you have to deal with that.

“Best in slot” has a very specific definition that is tied to stats. The definition is not “what each individual player prefers in the spot” it’s an objective “what provides the best stats”. This is not up for debate.

eldrin.6471:

Or the thread will be closed.

Seems fine, you are in the minority and ignorant of the terms being discussed… Nothing can be learned and you’ve been beaten – just die with dignity.

xarallei.4279:

ChrizZcE.5981:

of course legendary is objectively the best in slot. It´s not even debatable.

Legendaries have the ability to switch stats on the fly which make them objectively better than ascended items. They also tend to be the best looking items in a game that is all about cosmetics (at least it used to before the ascended gear treadmill was introduced for raids)

In six months to a year legendary armor will be required for raids so that you can change stats on the fly for every raid boss. Ascended gear will become the new exotics and people will exclude you from raiding if you only have ascended gear as it is the case now with exotics and raiding.

This is so ignorant it’s not even funny. Changing stats on the fly is useless when you have to change runes. It’s far more efficient to have two set of ascended then to be constantly changing legendary. No one is ever going to require legendary for raids. Ever.

I already kind of gave the op my support for his position, althouh I am not really happy with the idea of buying it outright, but with a diffrerent method of aquisition.

Ignorance is a two edged sword, xarallei. I also disagree with the majority that legendary is not better than ascended. Better, not superior. Right now. You and your colleagues are basing your ideas on the premise that ascended will stay the highest available tier of armor. Fair enough.

But trust me with this: You can´t take a gaming company, or a company in general, by its word. They lie with silver tongued words, cheat for bonuses and steal ideas if the tide of time washes them ashore of the company. Call me a communist if you like, but I don´t trust companies and the free, unregulated market with their promises. The world has evidently shown that it can not sustain itself in truly free markets. Even economists begin to realize this, although the economy will of course fight tooth and nail for their established world order.
Of course you could argue that this has nothing to do with such a minor thing as an armor in an online game, but we have a saying here: The fish starts to stink from the head. If the CEO of a company gives you a statement, you can bet your last cent that half of what he says is over the top and the other half is already an attempt to heave his butt out of the fire line.
A promise from a company is worthless. Even a promise from a sports federation like the FIFA or the olympic comitee is worthless. SAdly, they are probably the worst offenders.

That’s nice and all, but until they actually break their word and come out with a tier superior to ascended you can’t run around screaming fraud. For the time being legendary = ascended. Be paranoid all you want, sure but don’t start throwing around statements like that until it actually happens. (I’m using a general “you” here though, since you Torolan have not been running around screaming fraud that I’ve seen).

And again, I already said I’m fine with alternative ways of getting legendary armor (not the same skin as raids). I just don’t believe in buying ones way to it.

And round and round it goes, they promised at pax south that our best in slot now would stay best in slot.Now when legendary armor is added to the game that will replace ascended as best in slot.and ascended becomes second rate gear.

eldrin.6471:

And round and round it goes, they promised at pax south that our best in slot now would stay best in slot.Now when legendary armor is added to the game that will replace ascended as best in slot.and ascended becomes second rate gear.

ascended will still be best in slot, but hey you can’t wrap your head around facts so why not keep whining more and more?

eldrin.6471:

And round and round it goes, they promised at pax south that our best in slot now would stay best in slot.Now when legendary armor is added to the game that will replace ascended as best in slot.and ascended becomes second rate gear.

It’s not but keep believing that bs. You won’t become stronger just because you’re in Legendary. I’d say other thing about you, but you’re not worth the ban I’d get.
Keep whining while I kill Gorseval again.

Edit.: Befor you start bringing up your nonsense
" Legendary equipment will always have the same relative stats as the highest quality available for the item type. Currently, the only legendary items available are weapons and backpacks and the highest available quality of weapons/backpacks is ascended, so legendary items have 175% relative stats.¹" copy pasted from the wiki from
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Item#Quality

well if personal abuse is your argument maybe your not suited to the forums.

eldrin.6471:

well if personal abuse is your argument maybe your not suited to the forums.

If blindly ignoring facts and logic is your argument maybe you’re not suited to the forums.

Zalman.8719:

eldrin.6471:

And round and round it goes, they promised at pax south that our best in slot now would stay best in slot.Now when legendary armor is added to the game that will replace ascended as best in slot.and ascended becomes second rate gear.

It’s not but keep believing that bs. You won’t become stronger just because you’re in Legendary. I’d say other thing about you, but you’re not worth the ban I’d get.
Keep whining while I kill Gorseval again.

Edit.: Befor you start bringing up your nonsense
" Legendary equipment will always have the same relative stats as the highest quality available for the item type. Currently, the only legendary items available are weapons and backpacks and the highest available quality of weapons/backpacks is ascended, so legendary items have 175% relative stats.¹" copy pasted from the wiki from
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Item#Quality

Haven’t you heard? Being extra shiny adds like 10% perceived DPS from the sparkles alone! Don’t even get me started on the +crit chance from colorful footfalls!

Guild wars 2 is about appearance to a lot of players including me.And in my opinion best in slot includes cosmetic value.Best= of the most excellent or desirable type or quality.
Now maybe im hung up on that word best,but to me best does mean best.I find it hard to comprehend why people on these forums attempt to change the long established meaning of words to fit there self serving arguments.

Then we’re talking about the cosmetic value of somethin we didn’t even see yet.
Cosmetic valuewise, not every ascended worth much(to me, personal opinion) but it’s up to the player’s taste.
Khm.. just look at the difference between the artwork and actual in-game models..khm..

No we are talking about the subject the op posted legendary armor that upon introduction will be considered the best ie of the most excellent or desirable type or quality.

I’n not offended at all with legendary armor being locked behind raids but I do hope that we eventually see legendary armors obtained through pvp or something equally difficult. Would be awesome to have different armors for different game types.

But what about Mike O’Brien promise at pax south that our “best in slot” would remain best in slot.This is the very gear treadmill we were told would not happen.

eldrin.6471:

But what about Mike O’Brien promise at pax south that our “best in slot” would remain best in slot.This is the very gear treadmill we were told would not happen.

It’s basically about stats. He meant that you won’t have to get another armor because something more powerful will come. Ascended will stay and that will be the most powerful in the game as it is now.

Edit.: I was expecting the armor for a while as Legendary as a tier were in the game, we just didn’t have armor only weps, still you shouldn’t worry about not getting accepted into a group because you’re not legendary.

eldrin.6471:

Guild wars 2 is about appearance to a lot of players including me.And in my opinion best in slot includes cosmetic value.Best= of the most excellent or desirable type or quality.
Now maybe im hung up on that word best,but to me best does mean best.I find it hard to comprehend why people on these forums attempt to change the long established meaning of words to fit there self serving arguments.

eldrin.6471:

No we are talking about the subject the op posted legendary armor that upon introduction will be considered the best ie of the most excellent or desirable type or quality.

eldrin.6471:

But what about Mike O’Brien promise at pax south that our “best in slot” would remain best in slot.This is the very gear treadmill we were told would not happen.

see here’s the problem, what you are arguing is a subjective viewpoint, whereas what myself, and almost everyone else, as well as anet are talking about is a factual & statistical viewpoint.

it all boils down to you don’t want to raid to get the shinyness that you subjectively think is the best, regardless of stats. but the same could be said about anyone who happens to prefer the glorious armour (pvp only) or any fractal/dungeon/etc locked skins where there may only be 1 or 2 ways that they can be earned, and none of which involves being able to buy it on the TP. hell you haven’t even seen what the new armour is going to look like but you’ve decided its going to look the best based on what? the original legendary weapons? if you hadn’t noticed the new legendary weapons have a different set of effects altogether (change to the arm of the wearer), who’s to say that the new armour wont have the same sort of subtler effect, or even no special effects?

either way the whole thing is a subjective vs factual argument, and until you realise and accept this you are going to consistently be beating your head against a wall and getting nowhere fast.

eldrin.6471:

Guild wars 2 is about appearance to a lot of players including me.And in my opinion best in slot includes cosmetic value.Best= of the most excellent or desirable type or quality.
Now maybe im hung up on that word best,but to me best does mean best.I find it hard to comprehend why people on these forums attempt to change the long established meaning of words to fit there self serving arguments.

You mean like you are doing. BiS is a long established term in mmos used by min/maxers. It means what is best for your character stat-wise. It always has been used this way. It always will be. You are the one misusing the term.

ENGLISH DICTIONARY Best= of the most excellent or desirable type or quality.
Dont know what upside down world you live in but im 52 years old and played way more mmo in my life than you id imagine.Could you please refrain from twisting the long established meaning of common English words.

Could you stop twisting a long established mmo term? You obviously have not played enough if you don’t know the established use of this term.

The conclusion here is simple: if it bothers people that much, they should find a game that is more aligned to their own expectations because Anet is not going to align their expectations to you. Other option: just deal with the consequences of changes in MMOs because they happen always and move on to the things the game offers.

If you have convinced yourself this is such an afront to your ideas of what BiS is and what it means to you, no amount of argument on the forums is going to change that; Anet defines and decides, not players.

Eldrin, what are you still doing here? I thought you asked for a refund 4 pages ago? Besides, you only invested 3000 pounds? Come on, ive invested more then that and i dont even have a legendary.

Also, to stay on topic: We have a guildy who, due to an accident, has lost most of his fingers. In fact, he can only use his knuckles to play the game. However, even with that handicap, he is managing to master most of the content (he only started a few months ago) and our guild is completely confident that once he gets around to it, he will master Raids aswell. And in the unlikely event that he cant, we will be there to back him up.

You on the other hand are saying you cant do something before you even try it. I myself am a decent player. I dont care too much about stats, i use what works best for me. For the raids i will probably ask for some advice from my friends and then wing it. At some point i will get the raid done. I have no doubt whatsoever. Might take me a while, but that doesnt matter, because ill be running with friends.

In short; Just put some effort into it. You’ll manage. Things never stay hard to do for long.

xarallei.4279:

You mean like you are doing. BiS is a long established term in mmos used by min/maxers. It means what is best for your character stat-wise. It always has been used this way. It always will be. You are the one misusing the term.

Actually, regardless of whether I agree with eldrin’s overall stance, he is technically right about the phrase (the deal is, if Anet was using BiS to mean stats, then he is wrong in that context).

Let’s look at some definitions for BiS:

Best in slot (also “best-in-slot”; usually shortened to “BiS”) is a term meant to describe the very best item, enchant and/or gem available to a character for a specific slot. While there are differences in opinion there is usually a generally held idea of what is the BiS. This term is used by the twink community for things that are best for particular levels, while it usually refers to level cap things.

Some players consider such “BiS lists” to be absolute, while others consider best in slot to be relative to your other gear, talent specialization, and play style.

Best-in-slot slot gear can change from patch to patch and may only be correct if the underlying methods or theorycrafting used to determine the item’s status is correct.

Gaming acronym for Best in Slot.
It refers to a piece of gear that is the best piece you can equip on a specific place (like a weapon, or a piece of armor).

Best In Slot is used by gamers to define a piece of gear which is simply the best for their gaming character in a specific slot (eg. head slot, pants slot etc.)

In none of these is it saying, “We are talking about stat differences no matter what and everything else is wrong.”

The reason stats are what is primarily thought of when speaking about BiS gear is because most games don’t give you weird stuff like the ability to swap stats. Legendaries in this game are technically BiS, due to the ability to swap stats, but it is debatable how useful the stat swapping is when you take into account the importance of runes/sigils.

It’s not a common usage of BiS simply because it’s not a common feature. That doesn’t mean it’s wrong. But like I said, if Anet meant “BiS by stats,” then eldrin doesn’t have much of a leg to stand on. Anet would be wise to be mindful, in the future, of how the phrase can be interpreted, given the uncommon design of their game.

Edit: Mixing up names.

Im still here giving my opinions just like every one else.is that not what the forums are for?The subject at hand is legendary weapons not me.And maybe Anet should be more mindful of the deceptive terms they use to describe things.Best now means second best
in Anet land.like no grind means 65,000,000xp grind for mastery’s in a no grind game.
Strange what gamers put up with.In any other industry they would be on the wrong side of a law suit.
And i have asked for a full refund of all moneys spent on this product and closure of my account.Not something they are keen on.

Frankly, I don’t think the forums are for continually badgering relevant topics so you can get your money back. You spent your money on access to a gaming service as it was presented and based on your own assumptions and expectations for what Anet was going to deliver to you in that service. That didn’t happen because you were wrong, not Anet.

You’re money was spent on access to playing the game, as service that Anet provided to you, and you took advantage of. I don’t understand what you think you should be refunded for; you don’t actually own anything so you can’t give Anet anything back for a refund. You simply used a service.

Seems iv walked into some troll den.I have made my point and shall leave it at that.

Labjax.2465:

xarallei.4279:

You mean like you are doing. BiS is a long established term in mmos used by min/maxers. It means what is best for your character stat-wise. It always has been used this way. It always will be. You are the one misusing the term.

Actually, regardless of whether I agree with eldrin’s overall stance, he is technically right about the phrase (the deal is, if Anet was using BiS to mean stats, then he is wrong in that context).

Let’s look at some definitions for BiS:

Best in slot (also “best-in-slot”; usually shortened to “BiS”) is a term meant to describe the very best item, enchant and/or gem available to a character for a specific slot. While there are differences in opinion there is usually a generally held idea of what is the BiS. This term is used by the twink community for things that are best for particular levels, while it usually refers to level cap things.

Some players consider such “BiS lists” to be absolute, while others consider best in slot to be relative to your other gear, talent specialization, and play style.

Best-in-slot slot gear can change from patch to patch and may only be correct if the underlying methods or theorycrafting used to determine the item’s status is correct.

Gaming acronym for Best in Slot.
It refers to a piece of gear that is the best piece you can equip on a specific place (like a weapon, or a piece of armor).

Best In Slot is used by gamers to define a piece of gear which is simply the best for their gaming character in a specific slot (eg. head slot, pants slot etc.)

In none of these is it saying, “We are talking about stat differences no matter what and everything else is wrong.”

The reason stats are what is primarily thought of when speaking about BiS gear is because most games don’t give you weird stuff like the ability to swap stats. Legendaries in this game are technically BiS, due to the ability to swap stats, but it is debatable how useful the stat swapping is when you take into account the importance of runes/sigils.

It’s not a common usage of BiS simply because it’s not a common feature. That doesn’t mean it’s wrong. But like I said, if Anet meant “BiS by stats,” then eldrin doesn’t have much of a leg to stand on. Anet would be wise to be mindful, in the future, of how the phrase can be interpreted, given the uncommon design of their game.

Edit: Mixing up names.

BiS is a theorycrafting term used by min/maxers. Anyone who has played WoW and raided for any amount of time knows what this means. They don’t have to say “we are talking about stats!” That is obviously implied. The whole idea behind best in slot is what gear/set up will give you the maximum amount of dps your character can possibly get. That is the same when you are talking about legendary and ascended. No raid leader is ever going to say “LF2M legendaries only,” but you will see LF2M full ascended only." It’s not about what an individual player personally feels is more desirable for his character. If that was the case it would include the look of skins too, which it doesn’t. Pretty skins have nothing to do with BiS.

And without the ability to swtich runes the whole legendary stat swapping being “better” is highly questionable at best. You are better off having two ascended sets.

The fact is BiS being about stats IS the common usage and it’s obviously what Anet is talking about when they discuss BiS and not invalidating people’s hard work. If you notice most people here are not confused about this term. They know what it means. I think Anet knowing most people’s familiarity with it assumed most people would know exactly what they are talking about and they didn’t feel they needed to spell it out. Apparently they do though. Maybe Anet is right whenever they say things are “too confusing” for people afterall. I had always assumed they were just babying players.

eldrin.6471:

Im still here giving my opinions just like every one else.is that not what the forums are for?The subject at hand is legendary weapons not me.And maybe Anet should be more mindful of the deceptive terms they use to describe things.Best now means second best
in Anet land.like no grind means 65,000,000xp grind for mastery’s in a no grind game.
Strange what gamers put up with.In any other industry they would be on the wrong side of a law suit.
And i have asked for a full refund of all moneys spent on this product and closure of my account.Not something they are keen on.

Fact is that if i in my ascended armor with my ascended weapons go head to head against someone in legendary armor with legendary weapons, the only difference will be that i will be blinded by all the shinyness, they will have no advantage over me whatsoever statwise.

Also, you made the comment “if given a choice between equipping a legendary or an ascended, everyone will choose legendary”. I would not. in fact, ive made several legendaries and ive never equipped a single one. For one, i generally dont like the skins. Why use something i dont like when i can use an ascended. “Statswitching!”, you will say. No, i hardly ever switch stats and if i do, ill just grab a second set of armor.

But the whole argument is moot anyways. Anet is deceptive, hence you asked for a refund, hence your account will be gone soon (if you get said refund) and then the only person in this thread who is screaming “No! it has to be my way!” will be gone and the discussion will be at its end.

While I personally want to complete the raid and eventually get the legendary armor and I have no qualms about the raid (outside the timers serving only to force more offensive gear sets), is it all that big of a deal if the legendary armor had some other source? If the difficulty of acquisition or the time requirement being adequate why not have more ways to acquire the armor. The collections feel like they opened up plenty of ways for ANET to make varied acquisition methods and guild wars has always felt casual friendly, I am not sure why one would want to promote an environment that is otherwise.

I vote for something along the lines of a collection within a collection per piece of the initial collection. So long as the time requirements equates to vastly more time than it would take to run the raid and get the legendary armor done there shouldn’t be a problem.

xarallei.4279:

BiS is a theorycrafting term used by min/maxers. Anyone who has played WoW and raided for any amount of time knows what this means. They don’t have to say “we are talking about stats!” That is obviously implied. The whole idea behind best in slot is what gear/set up will give you the maximum amount of dps your character can possibly get. That is the same when you are talking about legendary and ascended. No raid leader is ever going to say “LF2M legendaries only,” but you will see LF2M full ascended only." It’s not about what an individual player personally feels is more desirable for his character. If that was the case it would include the look of skins too, which it doesn’t. Pretty skins have nothing to do with BiS.

And without the ability to swtich runes the whole legendary stat swapping being “better” is highly questionable at best. You are better off having two ascended sets.

The fact is BiS being about stats IS the common usage and it’s obviously what Anet is talking about when they discuss BiS and not invalidating people’s hard work. If you notice most people here are not confused about this term. They know what it means. I think Anet knowing most people’s familiarity with it assumed most people would know exactly what they are talking about and they didn’t feel they needed to spell it out. Apparently they do though. Maybe Anet is right whenever they say things are “too confusing” for people afterall. I had always assumed they were just babying players.

The irony of you telling someone else they are misusing the term and then claiming that your personal experience with the term trumps dictionary definitions.

I know what the common usage is. I don’t need three paragraphs on it. It’s beside the point and ignores 90% of what I said.