Guild Wars 2

Nicholas S Lin.6187:

My point is that in so far as relationships that are given prominence it seems only the gay ones get pushed into the spotlight. The Logan and Jennah relationship is too chaste – especially with no acknowledgement of attachment on the part of Jennah herself.

Before the confirmation of Marjory and Kasmeer, I would have suggested: Lord Faren and Lady Kasmeer. But with the confirmation of the gay bias for the prominent characters on the part of the Arenanet writing team and the way the characters I’ve listed I would say that Countess Anise is either Bi or Lesbian as well and Lord Faren is in the closet and is himself gay as well.

Only Ellen Kiel can be written as a convincing heterosexual love interest. And if she were to have a man in her life there should already be one that’s among her associates or team.

It isn’t a gay bias. Two gay relationships is a very very tiny amount. As is the point of most of the people in this forum is only seems like a lot/seems prominent because you aren’t used to seeing gay relationships in games/the media. So yeah, don’t be homophobic.

If it makes you feel any better, Nicholas, there is acknowledgement on Jennah’s part- it’s just buried in the personal story.

For my own part, I really don’t believe in this whole ‘bias’ crap. Two occurences is a coincidence, not a trend. Caithe and Faolain are no more a blatant relationship than Logan and Jennah- they’re exes, after all, and in both cases only one partner is overly clingy. The Marjory-Kasmeer relationship was great at the start- I honestly didn’t see it coming when the first dialogue started up at Thunder Ridge- but I have unfortunately been soured to it, solely because of how tastelessly heavy-handed the nudity twist was. Still, the fault there wasn’t integral to their relationship. Quite the opposite, I’d say it was something that smells suspiciously of fanservice butting in on the relationship.

Now, I’m fine with fanservice, but it has a time and a place, and I like it to stay well out of my character arcs.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

The Marjory-Kasmeer relationship was great at the start- I honestly didn’t see it coming when the first dialogue started up at Thunder Ridge- but I have unfortunately been soured to it, solely because of how tastelessly heavy-handed the nudity twist was. Still, the fault there wasn’t integral to their relationship. Quite the opposite, I’d say it was something that smells suspiciously of fanservice butting in on the relationship.

Now, I’m fine with fanservice, but it has a time and a place, and I like it to stay well out of my character arcs.

The what with the who twist? I must have missed something entirely.

Foxx I’m all for gay and lesbian relationships be written as part of any complete story along side hetero ones. And as for my viewing interest in other media including RPG games are wide and varied and very open minded. And yes I also have nothing against fanservice where it does not conflict with the flow or the story.

And may I take this opportunity to express the hope that Ellen Kiel be allowed to have a more complete personality rather than a complete workaholic? Maybe even get her a man in her life. Allow her be the lead in the relationship to keep her persona and keep her status in the Lore intact.

@Tobias Last one on the page.

There is good writing and there is we put this in to cater to the XYZ crowd, but its all irrelevant as we should not be mixing moster slaying with silly and pointless real life crusades.

Chokolata.1870:

There is good writing and there is we put this in to cater to the XYZ crowd, but its all irrelevant as we should not be mixing moster slaying with silly and pointless real life crusades.

Relationships between characters (both intimate and not) contribute to a sense of immersion which is what a lot of people really love about games and MMO’s in particular. So I can understand if you just want to play the game, but a lot of us want to feel like we’re part of a plausible world.

I wouldn’t really call it a fanservice unless it makes its way into the LS openly, and it becomes a major part of their storyline. For now, it is only suggested in their dialogue. We (see: the people that actually watch them and forumites) only got official confirmation with the livestream. Whether or not it actually makes its way into the game, and to what degree, is another matter entirely.

There is a big difference between, “Look, lesbians! Look I tell you!” and “Oh ya, they’re together btw.”.

Chokolata.1870:

There is good writing and there is we put this in to cater to the XYZ crowd, but its all irrelevant as we should not be mixing moster slaying with silly and pointless real life crusades.

I would say it might turn out to be very relevant to the future story however.
We do have rather big indications that something will happen to Kasmeer after all, and it will be much more powerful for Majory if it is clear that she does have a relationship with Kasmeer.

The point i was trying to make is: If there is good character development that furthers the story it is absolutely irrelevant if its a gay romance or not. I am not about to praise or condemn a relationship simply on the fact that it “raises gay awareness” or other such crap.

Too tell the truth I would prefer them to stay more platonic. My reasons I quite simple – they remind me of gender switched Sherlock and Watson. Those two (especially in newest installments) have very close friendship also often interpreted as something more :P Apart from that I think it might be lazy writing if they end up as a couple. Something along the lines: “Here are two hot girls, now they make out”.
Faloni and Kaith are much more interesting due to their love-hate relationship, but if Kasemer and Majory could pull out something even more entertaining I’m all for that.

I really don’t think it is a big deal- I have come across many relationships in game, some hetero and some not.

bTW About Jenna and Logan- in the Vigil story I just did you can also speak to her after killing Kellach and there she says that she tried to keep Logan by her side once before and that it turned out badly for everybody.
I think their relationship is hardly in question.

As for Kasmeer and Marjory- they made me laugh out loud because their banter is so silly- I really enjoy their dialogue.
So what if they are a couple?
They are NPC’s I like and enjoy having around.

I don’t care who people have relationships with irl, why would I care in game?

Chokolata.1870:

The point i was trying to make is: If there is good character development that furthers the story it is absolutely irrelevant if its a gay romance or not. I am not about to praise or condemn a relationship simply on the fact that it “raises gay awareness” or other such crap.

This. The story is what matters, not some social (or political, or religious, or anything else) agenda. There are games out there that cater specifically to that sort of thing if that’s what you’re into, but I come to Tyria to have fun and escape.

FlamingFoxx.1305:

To be fair that is because a large amount of high fantasy is written by straight white male authors with a straight white male audience in mind. Lesbian relationships are a lot less controversial than gay relationships. Also I don’t get how it could be about the writers writing it convincingly. A gay relationship is identical to a hetero relationship, the only difference is that both people are of the same gender.

I’m going to have to take issue with this (despite saying something along the same lines earlier, I was making a lot of points in a massive post). I don’t think you write these stories the same as hetero relationships (maybe in Tyria – depends on how much Tyria wants to reflect the truth of our world), but not in a story portraying the real world. As individuals they might be in a relationship and have the same problems and joys as a hetero couple, but as a couple they are likely to face discrimination (in the real world) and how that would impact the way they relate to each other whether it be hiding public displays of affection, hiding their sexuality from their parents and friends, marrying a woman or man as a cover to their sexuality or even including hate crimes committed against them (many of these things are covered in Brokeback Mountain, a movie which portrays two men in a homosexual relationship and the challenges they face that are unlikely to be experienced by a hetero couple). Writing it the same as a hetero relationship doesn’t respect the challenges and difficulties that homosexual couples go through (even if you don’t include scenarios, the subconscious weight of these realities impacts on decisions these people make). Does every story have to define these people as their sexuality, as victims, or centre on their struggles and makes them different from heterosexual people? No. But I think it’s important to recognise that while they may love the same as anyone else (they just happen to love the same gender) their experience will likely be different in many ways due to external pressures and it’s fair to include that in writing. If Kasmeer and Marjory were in an official relationship and Tyria has no discrimination, I suspect they would be easier for hetero couples to relate to (ironically) than they would be for homosexual couples.

As far as “straight white male authors with a straight white male audience in mind” goes, that’s capitalism. People pay for what they want and people who want money offer a product people will pay for. Authors who aren’t “straight white male authors with a straight white male audience in mind” are free to write fiction for diverse audiences just like consumers who aren’t “straight white males” are free to support them (but expecting someone who writes for a certain audience to change their product to suit your interests just because you like some parts but not all parts, that’s not really fair to the people who like the product as it is an still represent the majority).

To stay on topic though, I don’t think their relationship is official (it’s not official until it’s defined in game imo, some dev’s comment on a livestream is his personal view imo) and while I think they are definitely sensual characters (both are aesthetically appealing, Kasmeer especially, Marjory’s voice is very sensual/seductive imo) I don’t think it’s an attempt to exploit their sexuality (your opinion might differ). I think their popularity is in large part because of their sensual portrayals (including their sexuality), but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that (this is entertainment, people are free to like what they like). Overall the story treats their characters with respect and similar care that Rox and Braham get.

Shiren.9532:

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Sorry, I live in a really awesome city where I’ve never had to hide anything and have never had any problems – so I do forget that it’s not the same everywhere else. My bad.

Mortifact.3102:

The only other relationship we have really seen in a major part of the game is Logan and Queen Jenna

In fact, we see heteromance back and forth many times.

Romances were at the center of the Dynamics Asura story line* levels 1-10 and the Shield of the Moon personal story line of the Sylvari. The sort of pairing between Snarl and Galina pops up again and again. One of the arcs chosen when speaking to the Pale Tree deals with romance, in a way (not spoiling for those who have not played it). There might be others in personal story lines I have not played. The “Marching Orders” story line of the Vigil invasion of Orr and the Stealing Light story line of the Whispers invasion of Orr each feature a romance, in a way.

The Living Story has the unresolved possible romance of Braham and Ottilia. We have not seen the flirting, but we know as much about it as with Jory and Kasmeer.

Other romances are featured in Dynamic Event chains. One in Harathi Hinterlands is about helping a woman find out what happened to her missing husband. There is as much flirting in that one as between Jory and Kasmeer.

*This is a truly Asuran romance, too.

NinjaChris.9340:

Considering how little open gay relationships there are in sword&sorcery settings

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Calling it now, Braham/Rox. Fanfic writers, on your mark . . .

These comments along with several other have made me chuckle. Such types of relationships, and openness about them are actually in more than many realize, and further back as well.

Example 1
Dragon Riders of Pern is a well known, and vastly read series written in the 80s, and continues to be written by the original author’s son, contains very open and very distinct homosexual (male-male) relationships.

Example 2
The Firekeeper Saga by Jane Lindskold is also a good series, and popular. It underscores that love in its truest form knows no ‘species’ boundaries, in that it’s main characters set are a young human girl, and a male wolf. It is extremely obvious that the pair love each other, however species difference prevents any type of consummation, but the relationship is still possible and quite fulfilling without it.

I could dig up many other examples in literature, but I think most will get my point. We really are far too narrow minded when it comes to such things.

I don’t consider their relationship fan service at all, and I appreciate the writers doing it with a race other than Sylvari. I think it would have been even more interesting had it been between Norn, Charr or Asura rather than humans, but it’s a start.

The way they introduced them as characters was appreciated, too – without each other.

Granted, I’m also certain one of them will die soon (I have my bets on Kasmeer!), which I hope doesn’t happen as it’s predictable, but I shall wait and see.

Well even though you say you’re gay your opinion seems awfully biased. I mean does it matter in the end? They’re doing it because they can, not because girlxgirl = hot. If it’s a love story that’s more important then simple fan service. Blowing it way out of proportion imo.

Mortifact.3102:

Alright, let me start this topic by saying that I am gay and I am all about putting LGBT characters in gaming. That being said, with the recent confirmation in the living story livestream that Marjory and Kas are a “love story” I’m beginning to question Anet’s motives. Faolain and Caithe were good characters, and I loved that an LGBT relationship was such an important part of the main story in GW2, but by adding another lesbian relationship to the “biconics” as well as the “iconics” I’m starting to think Anet is just doing it because girl on girl is hot. The only other relationship we have really seen in a major part of the game is Logan and Queen Jenna, and even then they don’t have 10% of the flirting that the 2 lesbian pairings do. Am I alone in thinking like this?

I’ve often felt that the relationship is for attention in this game. Where Caithe and Faolain seemed natural, this one seems a bit forced and really reeks of fan fiction.

Destai.9603:

I’ve often felt that the relationship is for attention in this game. Where Caithe and Faolain seemed natural, this one seems a bit forced and really reeks of fan fiction.

It feels forced? Really? Kasmeer left a lot of minor clues here and there, especially with Lord Faren hitting on her in Southsun . . .

Caithe and Faolain’s “lover” nature seems more forced, but trying to overlay any sexuality over sylvari feels forced to me.

Chokolata.1870:

The point i was trying to make is: If there is good character development that furthers the story it is absolutely irrelevant if its a gay romance or not. I am not about to praise or condemn a relationship simply on the fact that it “raises gay awareness” or other such crap.

This is how I feel about it – there is a subtle push in the game for a lot of causes – we hear messages of diversity, togetherness, love across species, etc. I just want good characters, I don’t want a message forced on me.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

TriggerSad.2597:

For the sake of diversity, however, I will say that I wouldn’t mind seeing another heterosexual relationship take stage, or maybe (and this is a bit of wishful thinking) a relationship between two men.

Calling it now, Braham/Rox. Fanfic writers, on your mark . . .

Wait you do know Rox is a girl right? So it would actually be an interracial straight relationship. Which I’d actually find rather interesting.

Actually why don’t we have interracial relationships? You like tall women? Well go get yourself a Norn. You like the furry? Charr! Dendrophiliac? I don’t know… Asura or something?!

CureForLiving.5360:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

TriggerSad.2597:

For the sake of diversity, however, I will say that I wouldn’t mind seeing another heterosexual relationship take stage, or maybe (and this is a bit of wishful thinking) a relationship between two men.

Calling it now, Braham/Rox. Fanfic writers, on your mark . . .

Wait you do know Rox is a girl right? So it would actually be an interracial straight relationship. Which I’d actually find rather interesting.

Actually why don’t we have interracial relationships? You like tall women? Well go get yourself a Norn. You like the furry? Charr! Dendrophiliac? I don’t know… Asura or something?!

Interracial relationships are infertile, it’s been noted.

Also, after hearing of great great grandpa’s experience with a norn bride? No thank you.

Edit: Added link

So they said it was a love story? I can’t find the livestream, but I would be surprised and a bit dissapointed if it were true. Marjorie and Kasmeer felt a bit like Elsa and Anna from the new Frozen movie. Strong but definitely considered sisterly love. (as much as fans would like it to not be) Could they have meant that kind of true, unbiased, sisterly love? Again, I can’t find the stream so I can’t read into it but its not like they couldn’t go either way with the love story. The lesbian story just feels… a bit overdone in my opinion.

Zeefa.3915:

NinjaChris.9340:

Erukk.1408:

NinjaChris.9340:

In terms of Faolain and Caithe, keep in mind that gender distinction with Sylvari are almost arbitrary, since a: the relationship is never sexual and b: gender roles are not present in sylvaren society, as there is no difference between genders (as far as we know). Introducing “genders” to the Sylvari was basically just to make the race feel a bt more familiar.

From what I remember of the old dev posts and interviews, the Sylvari do have genitalia, and they do engage in sex as well.

Feel free to link to those blog posts you’re speaking of.

This is from before the game released:
“Do sylvari have romantic relationships?
Sylvari fall in and out of love, just like other races do. They have a romanticized view of devotion, and they’re curious about passion in all its forms. There are male and female sylvari, but none has ever produced a child as other races do. Because of this, traditional human-style gender roles have no meaning to sylvari, either in their society or in their romantic relationships. Often, a sylvari’s ardor is expressed with courtly zeal—emotional, empathic, personal—and is not necessarily defined by gender.” – by Angel McCoy
http://amd-icbm.com/icbm/anet-blog-the-sylvari-soul-angel-mccoy-on-writing-the-sylvari/

I don’t know where the blogpost is (unfortunately) but I remember reading it too. I think the wording was that they can still have “fun times” but cannot reproduce.

I don’t see how Majory and Kasmeer’s relationship is taking such a big role. I mean they are not that big in living story, and if not for the last one, and their talk outside of any instance, which you could easily miss I would not have guessed they were actually flirting.

Hethero relationships in PS aside from Logan and Jennah that I remember at the top of my head is Tonn and Ceera which is a married couple and really quite sweet though you never see them together. And Snarl Backdraft and Galina Edgecrusher, charr from different legions in a love/hate relationship, love them actually, their dynamic was the most amusing thing in Orr. Then there is Tiachren and Ysvelta from early sylvari story. Now I know it is more of a friendship but I kinda feel like mentioning Braham and Rox I am not sure why.

There is prolly way more, maybe also more samegendered, that just isn’t as noticeable.

Yeah, I find it unlikely that the Sylvari would be without genitalia. After all, they have mouths to eat, belly buttons, noses (mostly) among other human traits. I believe its so they can relate to the other races. To have commonality with their fellow peoples. Baby making, at least for now, is for the mother tree to do. Sylvari are in the first 20 years of what could possibly be 1000 year lifespans. From the Pale Tree’s perspective, they are still just children. Sweet and naive, not ready to make families of their own. 500 years down the line? Maybe then they will hit “puberty”. Until then, they are likely going to have “fun times” and fleeting relationships. I could be wrong, but I still feel that the Mother Tree gave her children human traits to be relatable. What is more human than pleasure?

Cerai.9741:

So they said it was a love story? I can’t find the livestream, but I would be surprised and a bit dissapointed if it were true. Marjorie and Kasmeer felt a bit like Elsa and Anna from the new Frozen movie. Strong but definitely considered sisterly love. (as much as fans would like it to not be) Could they have meant that kind of true, unbiased, sisterly love? Again, I can’t find the stream so I can’t read into it but its not like they couldn’t go either way with the love story. The lesbian story just feels… a bit overdone in my opinion.

Their relationship definitely isn’t sisterly. Kasmeer has said a LOT of things to hint that she has romantic feelings fore Majory. But Majory has never once indicated that these feelings are returned.

I dunno, I thought her response to Kasmeer saying she was naked was a good enough hint she likes her too.

“Marjory Delaqua: I’ve been thinking about Scarlet.
Kasmeer Meade: She can’t have you. (She says this abruptly)
Marjory Delaqua: She’s behind all these crazy alliances. I’d rest my reputation on…wait. What did you say?
Kasmeer Meade: (laugh) I think you’re right. She has all the landmarks of a blooming psycho hag.”

FlamingFoxx.1305:

“Marjory Delaqua: I’ve been thinking about Scarlet.
Kasmeer Meade: She can’t have you. (She says this abruptly)
Marjory Delaqua: She’s behind all these crazy alliances. I’d rest my reputation on…wait. What did you say?
Kasmeer Meade: (laugh) I think you’re right. She has all the landmarks of a blooming psycho hag.”

Darn right Scarlet can’t have Marjory. She’s one of the few necromancers I admire for not being really really creepy.

Tobias what do you mean “few”, let me introduce you to….. TRAHEARNE!!!!!!!

But on a serious note – I’m pretty sure Majory is oblivious to Kasmeer’s affection. I always got vibes from Ellen Kiel – so maybe when Majory rejects her she can go off with Kiel into the sunset. (The short story where Ellen greets Kasmeer as she arrives on Southsun…. Am I the only one who got those vibes?)

FlamingFoxx.1305:

Tobias what do you mean “few”, let me introduce you to….. TRAHEARNE!!!!!!!

Traherane is still creepy. That monotone . . . also, I prefer not to stand to close to him. Not with all the ‘friendly fire’ which happens around him. You’ll understand.

But on a serious note – I’m pretty sure Majory is oblivious to Kasmeer’s affection. I always got vibes from Ellen Kiel – so maybe when Majory rejects her she can go off with Kiel into the sunset. (The short story where Ellen greets Kasmeer as she arrives on Southsun…. Am I the only one who got those vibes?)

Maybe but you know . . . there’s that whole argument between her and Evon Gnashblade, which has me thinking maybe there’s something going on there too. And Evon’s not jealous of her winning, he’s upset she hasn’t asked him out on a date yet.

FlamingFoxx.1305:

Cerai.9741:

So they said it was a love story? I can’t find the livestream, but I would be surprised and a bit dissapointed if it were true. Marjorie and Kasmeer felt a bit like Elsa and Anna from the new Frozen movie. Strong but definitely considered sisterly love. (as much as fans would like it to not be) Could they have meant that kind of true, unbiased, sisterly love? Again, I can’t find the stream so I can’t read into it but its not like they couldn’t go either way with the love story. The lesbian story just feels… a bit overdone in my opinion.

Their relationship definitely isn’t sisterly. Kasmeer has said a LOT of things to hint that she has romantic feelings fore Majory. But Majory has never once indicated that these feelings are returned.

Funny I always thought it was the other way around. With Marjory calling her pet names, liking the fact she’s wearing illusionary clothing etc.

Mortifact.3102:

Alright, let me start this topic by saying that I am gay and I am all about putting LGBT characters in gaming. That being said, with the recent confirmation in the living story livestream that Marjory and Kas are a “love story” I’m beginning to question Anet’s motives. Faolain and Caithe were good characters, and I loved that an LGBT relationship was such an important part of the main story in GW2, but by adding another lesbian relationship to the “biconics” as well as the “iconics” I’m starting to think Anet is just doing it because girl on girl is hot. The only other relationship we have really seen in a major part of the game is Logan and Queen Jenna, and even then they don’t have 10% of the flirting that the 2 lesbian pairings do. Am I alone in thinking like this?

To me it seems like the writer simply doesn’t care as much about strait relationships as gay ones & making sure they hit some kind of PC quota. The Logan/Jenna “thing” isn’t a relationship, its a manipulation of a weak-minded male character & 2 “strong” female characters. As such I get a certain amount of alienation with the relationships in this game.
We already heard in an interview the reason we get so many Sylvari stories is that at least one of the writers is partial to them. It seems like many of the story decisions are based on “because I am partial to…”.

So yeah, don’t be homophobic.

Here we go… Stop with he vilification. Nothing they said was even remotely homophobic. I swear that is the most misused word in modern history. Your inability to allow him to criticize the situation without being labeled a hate-monger is far more bigoted.

We have 1 major strait relationship & it’s 1-direction (hardly making it a relationship at all.) How is that even remotely normal? I mean if it were 95/5 you’d be getting close to real life ratios, but to somehow say that GW2 has a mild or understated homosexual relationship presence is laughable. It stands out even more in a game where so much of the ambient dialog between men & women is women insulting & one-upping the men.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

It feels forced? Really? Kasmeer left a lot of minor clues here and there, especially with Lord Faren hitting on her in Southsun . . .

Doesn’t everyone turn down Lord Faren?

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

It feels more like blatant fan-service to me.

I don’t know. It’s not like we are privy to their #cough# interactions. I seems to me as there are two possibilities:

• The most likely case is it’s been over a year since that story was written.
• If you do truly believe that it is being overdone then the much more likely case is that someone is a overzealous activist and is overdoing an agenda.

Honestly it’s nothing special. I do find it strange that they have to specifically call out their orientation unless it is actually going to be relevant to the story; that is, unless the combination of these two things becomes important:

• Xukavi.4320 > if the part “it will sting, but brings me joy” is referring to herself.
• Kasmeer has been stung by the toxin already.

In that case the relationship would be setting up a very interesting interaction: considering that Maj/Kas could have been released as females before the plans to have Maj lose her love partner, man or woman, to Scarlet – if that is now actually the plan.

zamalek.2154:

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

It feels more like blatant fan-service to me.

• Xukavi.4320 > if the part “it will sting, but brings me joy” is referring to herself.
• Kasmeer has been stung by the toxin already.

In that case the relationship would be setting up a very interesting interaction: considering that Maj/Kas could have been released as females before the plans to have Maj lose her love partner, man or woman, to Scarlet – if that is now actually the plan.

Ugh, do not want. Those two are bout the only characters I like since Tybalt and yeah do I need to say more?

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

It feels forced? Really? Kasmeer left a lot of minor clues here and there, especially with Lord Faren hitting on her in Southsun . . .

Doesn’t everyone turn down Lord Faren?

I wouldn’t!
But no, there were definitely clues early on, even in the interactions between Kasmeer and Ellen Kiel.
And not everybody turns Lord Faren down, from my memories of the Human Noble storyline he actually has a decentish success rate with women – of course that’s probably more because he has money and they are noble women…

FlamingFoxx.1305:

And not everybody turns Lord Faren down, from my memories of the Human Noble storyline he actually has a decentish success rate with women.

Not sure where you’re getting that. Like most males in the game he is frequently bat down by women. The entirety of the Kasmeer /Faren dialog was her mocking his idiocy. Even when the Countess says something good about him it’s a mocking tone.

DarksunG.9537:

FlamingFoxx.1305:

And not everybody turns Lord Faren down, from my memories of the Human Noble storyline he actually has a decentish success rate with women.

Not sure where you’re getting that. Like most males in the game he is frequently bat down by women. The entirety of the Kasmeer /Faren dialog was her mocking his idiocy. Even when the Countess says something good about him it’s a mocking tone.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/A_Society_Function
It’s during that story mission – none of the side dialogue is on the wiki page though, just the key dialogue… Pretty sure there are other bits, but once again they aren’t on the wiki – it seems like a lot of non central dialogue isn’t there >.>

Of course it could just be me remembering wrong, memory is not flawless.

FlamingFoxx.1305:

DarksunG.9537:

FlamingFoxx.1305:

And not everybody turns Lord Faren down, from my memories of the Human Noble storyline he actually has a decentish success rate with women.

Not sure where you’re getting that. Like most males in the game he is frequently bat down by women. The entirety of the Kasmeer /Faren dialog was her mocking his idiocy. Even when the Countess says something good about him it’s a mocking tone.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/A_Society_Function
It’s during that story mission – none of the side dialogue is on the wiki page though, just the key dialogue… Pretty sure there are other bits, but once again they aren’t on the wiki – it seems like a lot of non central dialogue isn’t there >.>

Of course it could just be me remembering wrong, memory is not flawless.

Right, i just don’t remember anything saying, or more importantly, showing that women think well of him. Which isn’t saying much since that’s common in this game.

DarksunG.9537:

FlamingFoxx.1305:

DarksunG.9537:

FlamingFoxx.1305:

And not everybody turns Lord Faren down, from my memories of the Human Noble storyline he actually has a decentish success rate with women.

Not sure where you’re getting that. Like most males in the game he is frequently bat down by women. The entirety of the Kasmeer /Faren dialog was her mocking his idiocy. Even when the Countess says something good about him it’s a mocking tone.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/A_Society_Function
It’s during that story mission – none of the side dialogue is on the wiki page though, just the key dialogue… Pretty sure there are other bits, but once again they aren’t on the wiki – it seems like a lot of non central dialogue isn’t there >.>

Of course it could just be me remembering wrong, memory is not flawless.

Right, i just don’t remember anything saying, or more importantly, showing that women think well of him. Which isn’t saying much since that’s common in this game.

I dont get it…what is common in this game?

CharrGirl.7896:

DarksunG.9537:

FlamingFoxx.1305:

DarksunG.9537:

FlamingFoxx.1305:

And not everybody turns Lord Faren down, from my memories of the Human Noble storyline he actually has a decentish success rate with women.

Not sure where you’re getting that. Like most males in the game he is frequently bat down by women. The entirety of the Kasmeer /Faren dialog was her mocking his idiocy. Even when the Countess says something good about him it’s a mocking tone.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/A_Society_Function
It’s during that story mission – none of the side dialogue is on the wiki page though, just the key dialogue… Pretty sure there are other bits, but once again they aren’t on the wiki – it seems like a lot of non central dialogue isn’t there >.>

Of course it could just be me remembering wrong, memory is not flawless.

Right, i just don’t remember anything saying, or more importantly, showing that women think well of him. Which isn’t saying much since that’s common in this game.

I dont get it…what is common in this game?

Female character one-upping, insulting, mocking or snarkily “getting the last word in” on male characters.

So we are now insulting the fact that the game has strong female characters? I for one find it really refreshing to be playing in a world where a guy doesn’t have to be the one who figures everything out and saves the day.

Well . . . there’s a difference between “strong female character” and “why do they have male characters, anyway?” . . . personally, I haven’t seen what DarksunG is going on about.

Though this can be cut by 50% if we simply eliminated all asura females. Starting with Zojja.

FlamingFoxx.1305:

So we are now insulting the fact that the game has strong female characters? I for one find it really refreshing to be playing in a world where a guy doesn’t have to be the one who figures everything out and saves the day.

So “Strong female characters” = “Women who are surrounded by inept men who they snarkily mock, insult & 1-up”? Ok.

personally, I haven’t seen what DarksunG is going on about.

Based mostly around ambient dialog.

DarksunG.9537:

FlamingFoxx.1305:

So we are now insulting the fact that the game has strong female characters? I for one find it really refreshing to be playing in a world where a guy doesn’t have to be the one who figures everything out and saves the day.

So “Strong female characters” = “Women who are surrounded by inept men who they snarkily mock, insult & 1-up”? Ok.

personally, I haven’t seen what DarksunG is going on about.

Based mostly around ambient dialog.

I don’t run across that constantly enough to call it “surrounded by inept men”, unless you count the population of Lion’s Arch. Which also seems to have an inordinate amount of female characters interested in shopping, wine, and beating their husbands.

I also think maybe there’s too many people in Lion’s Arch who care about the sewer system and what’s down there. Maybe there’s some hidden scatological meaning trying to be subliminally forced upon us . . .

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

I also think maybe there’s too many people in Lion’s Arch who care about the sewer system and what’s down there. Maybe there’s some hidden scatological meaning trying to be subliminally forced upon us . . .

That’s the conclusion you come to if you don’t actually check.

DarksunG.9537:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

I also think maybe there’s too many people in Lion’s Arch who care about the sewer system and what’s down there. Maybe there’s some hidden scatological meaning trying to be subliminally forced upon us . . .

That’s the conclusion you come to if you don’t actually check.

Check what?

FlamingFoxx.1305:

So we are now insulting the fact that the game has strong female characters? I for one find it really refreshing to be playing in a world where a guy doesn’t have to be the one who figures everything out and saves the day.

Strong, but kinky female characters who admit not wearing any clothes, and who have a thing for each other.

To me, most of the female characters do not generally come off as strong, except for Marjory and maybe Ellen Kiel. And when a semi-lesbian relationship gets thrown in like that… it kind of feels like fan service, it really does.

Let me rephrase that, it didn’t come across as natural. It felt forced.