Guild Wars 2

Helios.8965:

spoj.9672:

Can you enlighten me on the info about glint in arah p3? Or any lore related to the arah dungeon paths would be most appreciated.

Spoilers from both Destiny's Edge and Arah

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In GW1 Glint tells us that she’s the first creature placed to Tyria by human gods, whose job was to oversee the world with the help of the Forgotten.

In Destiny’s Edge we learn that Glint wasn’t a creature placed to Tyria by the gods, but actually a champion of Kralkatorrik from the previous tdragonrise gone rogue due to her telepathic abilities allowing her to feel empathy. All this information from GW1 and DE has directly come from Glint.

In p3 players follow Warden Illyria to find more about the Forgotten and Glint. There we learn that Glint, also known as Glaust, was granted free will by the Forgotten casting a ritual that removed Kralkatorrik’s control over her mind. She then proceeded to use her powers to hide the remaining four elder races from the dragons.

I might have some information wrong as I haven’t touched the book or played GW1 in a long time.

If you don’t intend to complete any Arah paths but want to know what happens there, you might want to read the dialogues from GW2wiki’s page for that dungeon.

I’ve noticed that lore pages in the wiki often contain much speculation and even misinformation. I’d advise you to take those pages with a grain of salt unless they’re direct quotations from the game.

Thank you. I have heard all those points before, I just wasnt sure if id missed something.

Helios, isn’t it possible that both are right? It is suggested in Arah that the corruption was removed from Glint by the Forgotten, returning her mind to it’s former state – which implies that she existed prior to Kralk’s corruption. You could read that as – The God’s brought Glint into Tyria/sent Glint into Tyria, Kralk corrupted Glint, the Forgotten uncorrupted Glint. Unless that doesn’t fit within the bounds of the timeline?

Though honestly the Zephyrites seem a little nuts to me and I get the feeling that their beliefs wouldn’t really allow anyone to convince them that Glint is anything other than what they already believe her to be. >.>

The issue FlamingFoxx, is that the previous Elder Dragon rise in which Glint was known as Glaust, is before the Six Gods came to Tyria – or during, at the very least – given our current knowledge.

We don’t exactly know when the Six Gods came to the world still, but it’s at least heavily implied that they weren’t around before the previous ED rise. As if they were, that would mean humans were too.

It would be interesting if the history of the world as we know it, with humans being brought here by the Six Gods, actually turned out to be false propaganda spread by the Gods and their priests themselves. Perhaps humans were always here on Tyria, and the Six Gods are the interlopers (or early humans who’d managed to seize power from the previous Gods) who are trying to re-write history. Could that be what the Fractals is trying to tell us? That the assumptions we’d had about human history in Tyria is a lie?

I find that unlikely for two reasons:

1) Original human history says that the Six Gods created the world. The information we have now being discovered by digging into other races’ history is showing that the world existed before the Six Gods did on the world.
2) The developers told us from an out-of-universe context that the Six Gods came to the world rather than being from it.

That’s more or less what I’m getting at, Konig. Perhaps the Six Human Gods didn’t so much “come to Tyria” as they were powerful humans who slew the previous Gods (who already existed in Tyria in the form of deities like Mellaggan and the Great Dwarf) and assumed their mantles. It would also explain why those racial deities have been silent or presumed to have abandoned their followers.

The second point is much harder to argue against, although as lore is a constantly evolving process, we can’t rule out the devs simply having changed their minds at some point between GW1 and GW2.

This is all just speculation for fun, of course. I’m not proposing this as a serious theory.

I doubt that the Six Gods usurped anyone while on the world.

1. Current information indicates that at least three of them (Dwayna, Melandru, and Balthazar) came to the world as gods. Though Lyssa’s origins is outright unknown to humans, and Dhuum’s and Abaddon’s are unknown to us, it seems unlikely that they killed 6 gods on Tyria.
2. I find it hard to believe that there’d be a lie (“gods created the world and humanity”) covering a lie (“the gods ascended on Tyria”).
3. The Great Dwarf is explicitly said by Jeff Grubb to be a connected consciousness of many dwarves, so I can’t see how such would be usurped. Mellaggan has been active until 50 years ago. Koda, the only third other god we know of, is still active as far as we know.

There’s really nothing to indicate that the new information we have gathered by looking past the lies of Thaddeus LaMounte’s work History of Tyria Volume 1 (wonder what Volume 2 says given that Vol. 1 covers from “beginning of time” to the Cataclysm) and considering ancient races’ history of the world.

Of course, nothing really denies it, but it relies on the new truth being just as wrong as the old truth.

What Im wondering is what the heritage is that the Zephyrites are the keepers off. They seem very open but at the same time, I get the feeling that theres a reserved quality to them. I think they have secrets. Im also curious where they grow their food since I saw no where on the main vessel to grow food. Maybe they have supplimental vessels.

Im starting to think they might be right about the EDs though which would make sense if they have knowledge from Glint. Ive seen several other places refer to the EDs in a similar way. Sentient but elemental in nature, consumed by their own driving nature. The question is what in Tyria’s pasted triggered such creatures to form and what could it mean in the long run. Could new EDs emerge as nature again trys to correct? After all, who says we were the first races to ever kill an ED.

On a seperate note, I find alot of the side dialogs interesting. Theres a woman and child from LA looking to sell something and they have the Vigil looking for them. I noticed a Sylvari among the Zephyrites, freshly joined Im guessing since the Sanctum has never been witnessed by a Sylvari before.

Ill be interested to see if we see the trade negociations play out next week or next update.

They do say that they periodically land at cities to restock supplies. So I imagine that they buy non-perishable foods (or as best as they can) and have some of the smaller craft in their little air fleet of a dozen airships land frequently to restock foods.

So, the Zephyrites are of Canthan and Elonian decent…

…yet we still can’t ask them what is going on on either of those continents?

/sigh

Konig Des Todes.2086:

They do say that they periodically land at cities to restock supplies. So I imagine that they buy non-perishable foods (or as best as they can) and have some of the smaller craft in their little air fleet of a dozen airships land frequently to restock foods.

However, there is a discussion between an Asura and a Zephyrite where the Zephyrite says, refering to the aspects, ‘without the wind we would fall, without the lightning we wouldnt move, and without the sun we would starve.’

That to me sounds like they grow their own food, perhaps harnessing the power of the aspects to do so. Interestingly the Asura compares it to a primative… err… simplistic form of the Eternal Alchemy.

Erukk.1408:

So, the Zephyrites are of Canthan and Elonian decent…

…yet we still can’t ask them what is going on on either of those continents?

/sigh

We dont know how long ago the Zephyrites came from Elona or Cantha. They have clearly been around since they have a few norn among thier ranks. Still its highly likely that they have travelled past these areas.

I get the feeling that the Zephyrites have quite a few secrets. They are zen and all but I get the feeling that they are still dedicated to their original purpose (preserving a heritage) but they dont really talk about it much. There is a distinctly reserved quality to them that has me wondering about them.

Im almost certain we will see them again and potentially in a major role.

Hey…. REALLY CRAZY thought…. What if the Aetherblades were founded, not only to secure a captain’s seat in LA but as a group capable of raiding a floating location like the Zephyr Sanctum. I’ve been wondering what the large crossbows on the sides of the Sanctum were for if they dont have any threats in the air.

They could have a really cool instance where we try and defend the Zephyr Sanctum from attack while its in the air!!! Kiel has an airship. We can catch up with them after they leave.

Lutinz.6915:

That to me sounds like they grow their own food, perhaps harnessing the power of the aspects to do so. Interestingly the Asura compares it to a primitive… err… simplistic form of the Eternal Alchemy.

I had that thought myself, but it’s probably more easily explained by them being aware of how the food they eat is grown rather than an indication that they have a secret garden somewhere.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

The issue FlamingFoxx, is that the previous Elder Dragon rise in which Glint was known as Glaust, is before the Six Gods came to Tyria – or during, at the very least – given our current knowledge.

We don’t exactly know when the Six Gods came to the world still, but it’s at least heavily implied that they weren’t around before the previous ED rise. As if they were, that would mean humans were too.

Surely its possible that the six gods placed Glaust on Tyria without actually settling down on Tyria themselves. They werent present on tyria during the previous dragon rise but that doesnt mean they hadnt visited it before or placed/created creatures on tyria. So its entirely possible that Glaust was corrupted after being place on Tyria by the gods. Theres nothing to say the six gods definately didnt influence/visit Tyria before they actually arrived in known history.

As there was mention of speculated zephyrite fleet or floating city. I support that theory greatly, for one the landed ship is actually pretty kitten small to house even decent population. So I’m guessing that the landed ship is merely a trade vessel of much bigger community and in the major ships they have gardens etc to give them food.

Not sure if this has been said yet, but I don’t have the exact quote but on the Zephyr Sanctum ship, you can speak to an NPC who tells you that they had indeed worked together with the Dwarves and then isolated themselves from outside influences aboard their ship. This is all really interesting, and Glint and all. Wonder how this will lead to the future